“Two more Catholic churches on reserves in British Columbia’s southern Interior burned down Saturday morning. Lower Similkameen Indian Band Chief Keith Crow says he received a call at about 4 a.m. PT that the Chopaka church was on fire. By time he arrived about 30 minutes later, it had burned to the ground. “I’m angry,” Crow said. “I don’t see any positive coming from this and it’s going to be tough.” Crow said he later received a call from the Upper Similkameen Indian Band, near Hedley, that a church on that reserve had burned down as well.”
“The Upper Similkameen Indian Band confirmed that St. Ann’s Church was destroyed overnight. A representative for the band said officials are currently working with RCMP at the site of the fire. In a written statement, RCMP said both fires started within an hour of each other early Saturday morning. They said the Chopaka church fire had spread to nearby brush, but B.C. Wildfire crews were able to attend to it before it spread.”
“Crow said the fire in his community is still under investigation, adding that the fact it came on the heels of overnight fires that destroyed two other churches in the Okanagan earlier this week is suspicious. “There’s got to be something more to it,” he said. “It’s not just coincidence.” (Maryse Zeidler CBC News)
Comment: The authorities and Chief Crow have deemed the fires suspicious. Suspicious? The motivations behind the burning of four Catholic churches in Canada should be obvious to all. It’s the direct result of the revelations of unmarked graves of close to a thousand First Nation children who met their demise while under the “care” of government sponsored, Catholic Church run residential schools. This was just at two schools. There will undoubtedly be many more, probably thousands more. These four burnt churches are an expression of First Nation rage. Canada and the Church are lucky this rage hasn’t resulted in a bishop burnt at the stake… yet.
As Chief Crow notes, this rage serves no useful purpose and endangers the community. That doesn’t matter. Rage is immune from reason. We’ll very likely see this First Nation rage once Deb Haaland starts digging into the past actions of our Indian residential schools. I doubt it will be much prettier than the Canadian schools. It’s amazing, but not surprising, how history can feed rage. I see it in the current stink over critical race theory or what people think is critical race theory. The far right doesn’t want these ugly chapters of our history brought to light and the far left wants to kindle their “kill whitey” rage.
This is the same kind of rage that burnt down the police precinct in Minneapolis the night of the George Floyd murder and the Wendys in Atlanta the night Rayshard Brooks was shot. The looting is just looting. There’s a kind of economic rationalism to looting not common to destructive rage. I’m afraid we’re going to see a lot more rage before we finally get tired of the mindless lunacy and destruction. Rage is just so fashionable these days.
TTG
These BBC articles offer a decent background on the subject including the 2015 Canadian Truth and Reconciliation Commission findings on these Indian Residential Schools.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33099511
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57592243
These America Magazine articles cover the Catholic Church’s central role in this crime against humanity. Seems the Church is making the same foot dragging mistake she made with the sexual predation tragedy. Surprising with results of the recent Pan-Amazonian Synod and the publication of “Querida Amazonia” pitching hard for justice for the indigenous people of South America. How about North America?
“The past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past.” Faulkner
If people who have it good in current generations are going to be so stupid as to indulge in destructive rage, that threats society, over perceived historic injustices along racial lines and politicians, like the Democrats, are going to seek power by fanning the flames, then the only way to restore sanity is to fight fire with fire. Restore balance and perspective. The world was once a much more savage place. Dig into the history of how the natives slaughtered each other too. Delve deeply into how the natives enslaved in each other. Natives includes Native Americans, Africans, Asians, Arabs. Make it abundantly clear that man’s inhumanity to man is ubiquitous and not the special characteristic of whitey. When an ugly truth is discovered about one culture, balance it with ugly truths about other cultures. Stop glorifying all non-European cultures as Rouseau-esque paradises on earth. They weren’t. Shame politicians playing the race card and being racist in doing so. CRT is inherently racist. And it’s a stupid false history. Of course, it’s all about looting. Whitey got the goods and we gonna take it from him (as opposed to becoming education, working hard and earning the goods).
“Whitey got the goods and we gonna take it from him”.
Yes, resource competition by other means. Some just want power for the sake of power, some just want to gather souls (for the soul’s own good, of course), but resource competition by the economist’s most naked definition is a great place to start an analysis of any motivation.
Regardless, what’s left when resources, soul, and power have gone to others in sufficient quantity ? Yep, frustration, rage, or pure hate as some may describe it, and given enough time and enough societal denudation you will finish up with plenty of hate. In other guises it is the basis of Trumpism, which is currently awaiting Act Two, or of socialism’s siren song for the blind which is currently being worked through it’s thousandth deluded iteration. And identity politics, of course. Of course.
The point is that no one is offering anything to quell that rage; you can’t eat burned churches and you can’t eat what Joe or AOC are offering. I don’t think that the mindless lunacy and destruction is all that mindless; a whole bunch of people just want to wipe the board clean and start again – with their own brand of resource competition, because for them this current societal machine promised everything then ceased working for them decades ago.
Where to ? Once upon a time this would be in the form of a General Strike. Unions ? What are they ?!
I suggest that seizing or wrecking the means of production, now, one fifth of the way through the twenty first century, will have a cyber entry point and be made by some of the same people who built the digital planet in the first place and yep, it’s going to involve a lot of what will be portrayed as mindless lunacy and destruction. What it leads to in the physical world is anyone’s guess.
The issue has been covered heavily in the local press of the PNW recently. The discovery of the graves imbroglio was in BC. One of the things about the history is why those kids were there. Most weren’t orphans, they were forcibly taken from their parents by the Canadian government and placed in re-education facilities. The Catholic Church’s were merely the handiest orphanages to dump them on, and overwhelmed, the church turned management over to the Canadian government shortly after. The Catholic Church hasn’t been described as central to this, and it’s been well-noted the mass graves happened under Canadian, not Catholic, management.
More to my point: It could be just one guy Eric. Just one crazy guy could have made it to all those locations by car in the timeline of the fires.
Mark Logan,
That is a good point. Maybe true. However, I have heard about the Canadian government and Catholic Church genocide of natives for a long time, from native activists. It one of the stories that keeps them motivated and whooped up on the war path. I can easily see the native equivalent of BLM – of which there are several well established flavors – doing this.
As someone who is the descendent of genocide survivors (and literally grew up with them and hearing the stories), I say that people need to count their blessings, get over it and get on with life. In today’s America (or Canada) anyone of any color or creed who applies him/herself can get a piece of the pie – especially minorities because there is so much in place to give them a leg up. Sitting around whining about a past you never experienced and destroying the opportunities laid out before you is the act of stupid immature losers and evil maniacs.
Mark Logan,
Thank you for injecting this note of reason; before sliming the Catholic Church for supposed grievous (and maliciously intended) crimes against humanity, it would seem that some degree of investigation concerning the historical “chain of custody” of the schools’ charges should be in order; if their care was rendered by Canadian governmental authorities instead of the Catholic Church authorities, this could be highly significant.
Also, as cogently pointed out by commenter London Bob, disease underlay much of childhood mortality in the days before contemporary medical science made this less prevalent. Also, it were wise to remember that European-introduced diseases found fertile ground amongst Native American populations with no evolved immunities against them.
So, facts need to be descried, before kneejerk denunciations of the – still hypothetical – evils of the Catholic Church are hung around their neck.
I.e., contrast ready, aim, fire with ready, fire, aim. The first is measured, the second is ideology leaping to a pre-determined understanding, a juridically- minded proceeding versus a show trial.
The Catholic Church was a full and willing partner in running these schools as were several other churches. For most of their existence, the Canadian government just provided the bare minimum of funds to run them. This caused the churches to work the kids to raise funds to run the schools. They did not set out to murder their charges. Most of the deaths were due to malnutrition, TB and influenza. They were fully complicit in the policy of cultural genocide. It was a policy of assimilation in the Borg style except far less effective. They destroyed the culture and left a lot of misery and PTSD in the wake.
The reporting I’ve seen doesn’t directly refute that. The Catholics stayed on as staff doing what they could for the kids, and indeed many of them apparently felt reeducation was the best thing that could be done. At any rate there was no mention of outrage from the church to stop it. But it’s fair to mention they weren’t the ones who ran around forcibly removing kids from their parents and taking them to camps or conceiver of the program. That was the Canadian government.
It’s a damn sad tale.
Did they burn down any government buildings? Re: Minneapolis, which party ran the city and thus the police department for decades? Which party won the election there?
From the America magazine article “we learned how to not like who we are.” Sounds like critical race theory in action, only this time they got the right people on top. I notice they don’t mention how anyone died, or when. 8 deaths a year over 100 years would result in how many graves? So glad the best reporters are on the job asking those tough questions.
Fred,
Note that Chief Delorme seems to be a reasonable sort and is making well measured points (like they don’t even know if the graves are children). It is Trudeau that is pushing CRT and white guilt.
Of course it is little Justin doing his divisive lefty thing. This is not the first rodeo for lefty’s discovering something in the past to condemn. Don’t you remember the American Indian movement from the 60s and 70s?
They went to a cemetery and found some unmarked graves that had children’s bodies buried there, child mortality used to be very high, such graves are commonplace, deliberately misleading story. Not many had designated burial plots.
LondonBob,
You don’t get it. Before the whites came the Native Americans experienced a child mortality rate of 0. None died. Ever. Of anything. All natives lived to be like at least 90 or 100 and in perfect health. They never really died, ever, in the same sense as the stinking white man. One day, when they had lived long enough and experienced so much joy, they just gave their souls back to the Great Spirit. Of course there was never anything like war either. Then came the white man with his guns, disease and terrible unnatural food. The native children began to die from all of that and then they were taken away from their homes to be taught the white man’s religion and math and reading, they died from broken hearts on top of the disease and bad food. Sometimes, I suppose, the church just killed them for fun and sport. By the tens of thousands at that. It was a genocide.
Damn right, and it sounds like the kind of stuff that happened in every country destroyed by Colonialism. I have no doubt that more of this digging will be soon occurring in the US, Australia, IrelandXXX (cancel, no indigenous POC and Celtic kids don’t matter), New Zealand, and, ah that’s it.
In the right hands this could go as far as #metoo and #blm, although I suggest that #digmeup is a bit crass.
PRC90,
Of course I was merely repeating the mythology. I don’t buy into it myself. What’s colonialism? Tribes have conquered, killed, replaced, enslaved, etc others for eons. Europeans were just better at it than most on a mass scale because their culture led to development of materially superior infrastructure and large populations (and they might be genetically predisposed to superior intelligence than most).
But there’s an upside to Euro colonial activity. The entire world has been introduced to a materially superior quality of life. People want what Euros build. Most all of the complainers would die quickly and brutally in the primitive existence that they lament was “stolen” from them. The problem is that the complainers don’t want to play the game – educational attainment, discipline, deferred gratification, civility, continual hard work – it’s all to “white” for them. They want to live as communal hunter gatherer tribal primitives in a modern world. That is a stupid fantasy. The socialist tell them they can have that AND all the goodies that Euros created. These are people that are genetically and culturally overly challenged to follow the bouncing ball. The socialists are weaponizing their stupid asses.
Decades ago I was chatting with someone fairly deep inside the Reagan administration and was asking at that time why we were losing ground, especially in the sub-compact auto world to Japan. When would we could start selling cars to the third world, because we did have some very good ones like the Ford Escort that we only offered in Europe.
He explained somewhat imperiously the economic thinking at the time was to raise the standard of living for the “third world” so they could afford to buy first world cars from Detroit. And US refrigerators, US A/C equipment etc – his goal for US foreign policy was to raise their standard of living to benefit US manufacturing.
We know how that all came out – the improved standard of living in the former third world now included building everything we were making in the US, but better, longer lasting and cheaper.
I loved Reagan so this is not to put him down, but he did have some stuffy East Coast elites in his inner circle at that time. Plus in those days, who could really grasp the slow decline of UA ascendency, perhaps tone deaf as it was. We too had white man’s burden “rescue complex”.
BTW, the Reagan Library in Simi Valley CCA is a wonder to behold, and scoring a visit to his Ranch in the Santa Barbara foothills is worth the donation to the Young America Foundation.
So every institution is measured by its failures? Fine, no institution can survive that standard, which apparently is the point.
The problem for the Catholic Church in particular is that its reputation has already been badly hit by the worldwide sex abuse scandals.
Bit of a sitting duck in many ways.
I worked as an investigator in Boston (badge and creds) for many years. I’m privy to a lot of background info. If you believe there was, or still is, an extensive predator priest problem in the Boston Archdiocese then you also probably also believe the propaganda— by the very same social engineers/architects, btw— about police wantonly murdering unarmed black men around the country.
The Boston Globe’s Spotlight piece focused on 10 former priests (out of the ~50k who’ve served in the Boston Archdiocese since 1950), half of them already sentenced to prison or defrocked before Marty Baron even came to Boston from The Miami Herald with the singular goal of obliterating the Catholic Church’s influence in Boston— the center of American Catholicism— and the U.S. And judging from common perception re: the ‘abuse scandal’— even among Catholics (17% of Boston Catholic attend Mass)— he succeeded beyond all expectations. Tikkun olam.
The Catholic predator priest scandal/hierarchy cover-up narrative is probably less true than as the narrative that cops are racist/ACAB, and a lot of them murder innocent, unarmed black men. I say that as someone who has spent many hours poring through internal affairs files from many Boston area PD’s.
If you really want to know what’s behind the relentless attacks against the Catholic Church here’s a good start:
Dr. E. Michael Jones: The Sex Abuse Scandal is a Psyop Against The Church
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIHFijA8pys
Matthew,
Except socialism. That seems to have survived its failures despite having destroyed and killed more people than all of Christianity’s worst behavior for the last 2 millennia. The whole victim/blame/guilt game is all BS to disguise the socialists’ and barbarians’ war against western civilization because the socialists and barbarians are too impotent to just outright attack with arms like in the good old days.
These aboriginal cultures destroyed by Christianity and western colonialism were/are largely socialist. Seems more like a western civilization war against socialists. Perhaps that’s why Russia, including Soviet Russia, ended up with a far more benign relationship with their aboriginal cultures. They recognized socialism when they saw it and did not seek to destroy them like we did.
TTG,
I’d say they were more communist than socialist. That works when you live in bands of 30 to 60 people. But so what? Do you really think that humanity should have remained in the stone age? If the white man hadn’t have come to America, the Chinese or Japanese would have and the results would have been the same for the natives. For that matter the Aztecs would have probably conquered to the North and cut out their hearts and cannibalized them, like they did to their weaker more immediate neighbors. This has nothing to do with Christianity, Catholics or whites. If the Canadian tribes had had the resources and power, they would have done it to their neighbors in a big way. They didn’t. They lost. Life goes on.
Communal might be a better descriptor than either socialist or communist, but that’s splitting hairs. These communal societies went well beyond bands of 30 to 60 people. Tribes consisted of thousands and these tribes sometimes organized into much larger entities such as the Iroquois Confederacy in mostly your neck of the woods, the Powhatan Confederacy down my way and the Seven Nations of Canada centered in the Saint Lawrence River Valley. These communal societies, not the confederacies, thrived for thousands of years. It certainly wasn’t all idyllic and peaceful. There was plenty of wars, raids and killings. That’s why the confederacies formed.
Disease, more than Europeans and Christianity, is what did in the native Americans, including the Aztecs. The communal lifestyle common in America largely avoided the development and spread of deadly epidemics. That was a big disadvantage once we started showing up.
Every institution should be responsible for their actions, both successes and failures. That’s the point.
TTG,
In your canon is there a statue of limitations?
Ishmael Zechariah
If an institution claims its heritage back to its inception, then a statute of limitations should extend back the same distance in time. But even earthly redemption is possible with confession and penance. The Canadian Indian Residential Schools and their counterparts in the US were still around in the 1980s. That’s not that long ago. There were well over 6,000 victims of the Canadian Residential Schools still alive to testify in their truth and reconciliation commission.
TTG,
Penance is a weird concept to me. If you have seen the light, then why would you not simply move forward in peace and love and sin no more? When you beat yourself up it is the same as beating up any of God’s children, IMHO, and it’s not what the creator wants. Also, when you beat yourself up for the sins of your ancestors and the beneficiaries of your penance are maybe only obliquely ancestors of the alleged victims, then you are creating a negative karmic loop that furthers no one. IMO, No one is helped by being labeled a victim just as no one is helped by beating themselves up.
Catholicism is strange and dark to me. Maybe I don’t understand it. I left the Orthodox church so long ago and so young that I can’t recall if this penance stuff was part of it too. I don’t recall my father practicing or preaching it. He did intensely revel in the concept of eye for eye, though.
I used to hang out on the White Mountain Apahe res. in AZ with a close friend who is an Apache. The first time I was invited there I wanted to be cool and respectful; not commit a faux pas. So I studied all the anthropology I could find on that group. When I regurgitated some of it back to my buddy he laughed his ass off. “where did you hear that?”. The books I’d read were pretty much the academic equivalent of “fake news”. The more time I spent among those people, the more I realized how little the books understood.
Thanks for the convo.
Eric
Yes, penance does conjure up images of self-flagellation and other mortifications of the flesh. Even abstaining from the eating of meat on Fridays is a form of penance. It’s more likely to take the form of saying five Hail Marys and five Lord’s Prayers and contemplating on your resolve to sin no more. None of that would be appropriate in this case. Perhaps making amends or even making reparations (another emotionally loaded term) is more fitting for an institution or a state after confession. Canada’s plan to make amends were laid out in the six calls to action of the truth and reconciliation commission report completed in 2015. The Church will surely make amends in a similar way in addition to much prayer, contemplation and confession. Thanks for spurring me to think of a better term.
What you experienced with the White Mountain Apache was the effects of over a century of cross-cultural contact. I experienced the same spending time with the Lac La Loche band of Chipwayan in northern Saskatchewan, although they still engaged in knife fights with Caribou Inuits. They had centuries of contact with western civilization and were nothing like they were prior to that contact. It goes both ways. Our Articles of Confederation and Constitution were both heavily influenced by colonialist contact with the Iroquois Confederacy.
Does the same hold for all the First Nations? Their legacy is hardly one of unblemished virtue.
TTG,
Setting aside the spiritual for a moment, one of my practical concerns with the concept of penance is that instilling a sense of guilt and debt is a powerful means of manipulating people. The beneficiaries of another’s penance have an incentive to proclaim the other endlessly guilty and to continue to benefit from his penance (see reparations, preferential treatment, see social silencing, deleting, etc).
It appears to me that the accusation, guilt and penance cycle is a driving force in the anti-America/anti-white sentiment that has seized our nation.
This phenomenon becomes amplified when the guilt has no statute of limitations and is, indeed, generational.
And what of souls of those who accuse and receive the benefits of the accused’s penance? What lesson are they learning?
Turning to the church for a minute, what was it supposed to do with the natives? If it truly believed that they would burn in Hell for not being introduced to Christ’s saving grace, then was the church’s duty to pull them out of their heathen ways by whatever means necessary and make them say the magic words (Christ forgive me and save me).
I chalk the whole thing up to life being harsh, sh!t happens, there’s winners and there’s losers – and do-gooders make more trouble than good. I still think the natives need to get over it and on with it. Find a new way.
TTG,
Thanks. You seem to support the Old Testament principle, that “The sins of the fathers are visited upon their children”. OTOH Jeremiah 31:29-34, intimates that, under the New Covenant, ” The sins of the fathers will no longer be visited upon their children” . Seems like theology plays to both sides of the issue.
However, since we are only human and the Devil hides, as usual, in the details, please consider, if you would, the following (non-rhetorical) questions:
1-Should we judge the actions of previous centuries by the mores of today, as you seem to do, or those of the particular time?
2-Should the Catholic Church pay reparations for the Inquisition? If so, who determines the recipients and the amount?
3-How does child mortality rate for indigenous tribes in their settlements compare with the student mortality rate at these evil schools?
4-Should the USA pay reparations to those she encouraged/encourages to fight on her side (say the Hmong in Vietnam, the Afghan collaborators, or the hapless kurds in Iraq/Syria) after she bails out?
5-Do those officers who train said locals for insurgency carry any moral responsibility themselves for these once the might of the US Armed Forces withdraws from a particular theater? Lawrence of Arabia was rather eloquent on this subject.
Thanks in advance for your consideration.
Ishmael Zechariah
IZ, are you giving me a midterm exam? It’s been a long time since I’ve taken a written test. No worries. I’ll give it a shot. First, I think you have to make a distinction between fathers and their children and institutions which have operated over a long period of time and continue to operate. The Canadian government and Catholic Church that perpetrated the residential school tragedy are still the same Canadian government and Catholic Church in operation today. Their sins are their sins. On the other hand, should modern Turkey be held responsible for the Armenian genocide perpetrated by the Ottoman Empire? I don’t think so. That’s more of a father son thing. Anyways, here’s my answers to your exam questions.
1 – In the case of the forcible removal of indigenous children from their families in Canada and the US, we can certainly judge and condemn those actions. The golden rule has been around for millennium and is near universal. We can understand that the perpetrators of these actions were horribly misguided and ignorant rather than pure evil, but we can certainly condemn those actions.
2 – Reparations for victims of the Inquisition? Perhaps, but to who? I have no idea who would be considered a victim or descendent of a victim of the Inquisition. I also don’t have any idea what the Church has said about that period or any other dark period of Papal history such as an encyclical letter of contrition.
3 – I have no idea how the child mortality rate in their tribal settlements compares to that in the residential schools. It would be hard to calculate since the government forcibly removed most of the children from their families and settlements.
4 – We absolutely owe reparations in the form of resettlement to those Afghanis and Iraqis who served as interpreters and more to our forces. It’s not a legal debt, but a moral debt. The same went for the Hmong and others who fought our war at our behest. The Kurds, especially the Rojava Kurds, were fighting their own war. We just assisted. Those Kurds are hapless due to their own decisions.
5 – SF who worked with the indigenous fighters and interpreters in Viet Nam, Iraq and Afghanistan feel an obligation to those who risked it all at our behest. There are SFA chapters still actively supporting Hmong and Montagnard refugees. Are they legally responsible? No. But we have a far higher sense of honor and responsibility than the politicians who run this country.
TTG,
Thanks for the extended response. I was simply trying to understand the logical framework behind your post. Perhaps I have an idea now.
Schooling and salvation of indigenous children in areas colonized by Europeans was ubiquitous in that era. Stevenson describes a French Polynesian version in his book “In the South Seas”. “Saving the heathen” was all the rage; many churches sett donations to such schools… I am sure some missionary teachers genuinely thought they were doing “God’s work” as well as improving heath, hygiene and education. The colonizing regimes probably had other motives, all perfectly respectable at the time. How can justify using the metrics of today to evaluate the past? Those days the general population considered homosexuals, lesbians and transvestites degenerate perverts. Some still do.
Similar things are still happening: The Uygurs, adults and children, are being re-educated, and there is not much we (the Turks) can do about it. Thucydides said it all in the Melian Dialogue: “Right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”
Ishmael Zechariah
P.s: A few of the “Rojova Kurds” TSK interviewed reportedly said that they were encouraged to rebel, and supplied arms, materiel and intelligence. This is still going on. Another case of doing well by doing good…
Strange
Locals would know local churches were not involved so why destroy the churches. It was the “white” Catholic Church that was the problem, so why not burn a Catholic Church in a white area to make political point. So, I doubt it was locals.
As for being First Nation, if you look for example at those involved in anti-slavery protests in Bristol that resulted in Edward Colston’s statue being pulled down, it was predominantly right-on white liberals who were probably happy with Gaddafi being killed so don’t care about the slave markets in Libya.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-55248263
Also, right down on the Canadian-American border like that is a very long way to go to make a point, and I suspect there are other Catholic churches closer to population centres in Canada than the ones that were burnt.
Perhaps the police should be looking for the perps in the Antifa community, south of the Canadian border.
Ghost Ship,
Thank you, that seems like a very good suggestion. Given the militantly atheistic nature of antifa and much of hard leftism, this would be appealing for those so disposed. Acts such as these also serve to sow dissension, a very useful thing in the kit of revolutionary anarchists or leftists.
Antifa! That’s a stretch. These were small churches on tribal land. There’s no reason to believe that a couple of pissed off First Nation men living in the areas didn’t torch them. Now if churches down in Seattle or Portland went up in flames, you can legitimately look at Antifa. Like St. John’s Church near the White House getting torched was clearly BLM and/or Antifa types.
PRC writes: “Whitey got the goods and we are going to take them away from him.”
Just saw our local opera company scaled down version of Wagner’s Das Rheingold yesterday – good reminder even our hoary Teutonic Niebelungenlied myths for “white people” warned there are consequences when lusting after power and wealth., which required forsaking one’s deeper humanity.
Every character in Wagner’s Ring Cycle has to pay a price, if they tried to grab power. So “taking things from whitey” come with a price, and one shouldn’t pretend whitey is not also paying a price.
An opera epic for our times.
You make a good point with that Niebelungenlied lesson, Deap. Everyone wants to embrace their heritage except when it gets a bit sordid and shameful. I prefer the Catholic theme of confession, penance and redemption to the more Calvinist idea of predestination. Paying the price and moving on rather than paying the price for all eternity.
I have spent time with indigenous people in S America. Their hatred of the Catholic Church is present and real. They still live the result of past degredations, while the the church continues to impose its cultural superiority through unpunished rape and buggery. Our local tribe was run off their land only 2 or 3 generations ago. I could understand that in Canada these are recent enough events to be real to those living.
That is the same reason why so many immigrants from Central America have become Pentacostals. One source says 600K per year convert –
https://www.amazon.com/Latino-Pentecostals-America-Gast%C3%B3n-Espinosa-ebook/dp/B00MLZ0AI4/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=latino+pentecostals+in+america&qid=1624983693&s=books&sr=1-2
Leith,
Good News! They won’t become Democrats. The insane crap the Democrats promote will offend their Pentacostal sensibilities. The Democrat plan is going to backfire.
Eric –
Many are Dems or don’t lean either left or right per a Pew Research Center study on party affiliation among pentecostals done earlier this year.
https://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-family/pentecostal-family-evangelical-trad/party-affiliation/#racial-and-ethnic-composition-trend
OT: How clean is the Biden NSA – Tucker Carlson claims they are setting him up to take him off the air. Which was one of the suspicions about the RedStat set up for the CCP Defector Dong story.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/watch-tucker-carlson-announces-whistleblower-confirmed-nsa-plotting-leak-info-get-show-pulled-off-air/
By any chance, can anyone here recommend me any good books or papers on Louis Riel and the Red River/Northwest rebellions?
A few points –
This didn’t happen in the distant past. My mother in law was forcibly taken as a four year old and put into a boarding school.
This was in the U.S., it isn’t just a Canadian issue.
She said it was a lot of hard work and punishments for speaking her language but didn’t like to talk about. Later when she visited her family but they seemed like strangers to her.
Looks like the Pope is going to issue an apology.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/national-indigenous-leaders-papal-visit-1.6084245