New York CNN — US stocks rose sharply Wednesday morning following a decisive and consequential victory for former President Donald Trump in Tuesday’s US presidential election. The Dow soared 1,309 points, or 3% in morning trading, reaching a new high. This is the first time the Dow has gained more than 1,000 points in a single day since November 2022. If the Dow maintains its implied gains throughout the trading session, it will mark the sixth-best point gain ever for the index — but nowhere close to a record percentage gain.
The S&P 500 and the tech-heavy Nasdaq both rose by 1.9%. Markets were mostly juiced by the fact that the election was decided relatively quickly. The election — and the widely held belief that Trump and his allies could contest the result in courts — has served as a cloud over the US economy and stock market in recent months. Markets, in particular, crave certainty, and the clear path forward will allow companies to adjust their business and hiring plans. “There’s clarity: We’re not going to see another January 6th event. The market is breathing a huge sigh of relief on that,” said Michael Block, chief operating officer at AgentSmyth. “The mainstream consensus was that we weren’t going to know. And we know.”
But stocks may also be reacting to Trump’s victory, in particular. Trump flipped several swing states from President Joe Biden’s 2020 victory, and Republicans also took control of the Senate. Several key House races remain undecided. A so-called red wave could usher in an era of deregulation and other pro-business laws and policies that investors believe could benefit the stock market. “There is this huge perception of business friendly, tax-friendly regime coming into place, especially with them winning the Senate,” said Block.
JPMorgan analysts predicted in a report ahead of Tuesday’s election result that under a “red wave,” stocks stood to gain through the end of 2024, but “the uncertainty around policy execution would become more prominent in 2025.”
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/06/investing/dow-stock-market-trump/index.html
Comment: Well, Wall Street’s happy. The dollar surged as well. The real shocker is that it looks like Trump also won the popular vote. That hasn’t been done by a Republican in decades.
Trump’s message of the country is going to hell in a hand basket and he alone could fix it sold well across the country. Harris’ message of more of the same fell flat. The American people apparently do want to go back. Now we’ll see if mass deportations and wholesale tariffs can please the masses. Who knows. Maybe it will work. At least there won’t be another January 6 debacle.
One mystery I see is the story of record voter turnout and 20 million fewer voters. And that’s in an across the board well secured election. Someone was full of crap. Maybe that will settle out in the next few days.
TTG
“At least there won’t be another January 6 debacle.”
And just like that voter fraud ended with a GOP landslide.
https://snipboard.io/EsgxLK.jpg
And just like that voter fraud ended when Dinesh D’Souza exposed ballot harvesting mules using pattern of life filters and geolocation datasets.
Condottiere,
That mule documentary was exposed to be bullshit long ago. And the most recent ballot count is little different from the 2020 race. Once again, there’s no evidence of voter fraud in either election other than a few isolated cases, bipartisan cases at that.
The only debunking I found was a bunch of liberal hot air. I’ve used these tools before. However not admissible in court, this is very invasive and it works. Not to be confused with geofence warrants, it can be used to obtain warrants but data admissible in court have short retention policies before the warrant or data preservation request is submitted. You said on here that you used it for targeting and recruitment, so you know it works too. The only criticism I’ve read is surveillance video, diagrams, and on screen simulation used to make the film was fictitious or inaccurate. That part was dramatization but the methodology and evidence they gained is accurate and real. Anyone with a little knowledge of this skillcraft can test their claims by recreating the same pattern of life filters. It is using publicly available datasets that marketing, LE, and IC agencies use. New York Times used these same datasets and tradecraft to identify those in the capital rioters during J/6.
https://web.archive.org/web/20241007013633/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/capitol-attack-cellphone-data.html
They even tracked President Trump’s USSS protection detail and documented their entire patterns of life to including their families patterns of life.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/20/opinion/location-data-national-security.html
Condottiere,
The tools are fine. It’s the assumptions and conclusions that were as bogus as the surveillance video, diagrams, and on screen simulations used in the film.
Condottiere,
Sure.
And Nevada, Arizona, Montana, and Missouri, which are all giving Trump their electoral votes, really voted against Roe 2.0. as well.
Abortion was removed from federal case law and is now a bipartisan issue at the state level. Good for Nevada. Arizona, Montana, and Missouri. 9 appointed judges in a back room shouldn’t be legislating from the bench like R v W. Even RBG said it. This issue needs to be decided by voters and legislators. If not by the states it should be codified in federal law or made into a constitution amendment
Now move on with your partisan abortion pidgin holing. It’s a bipartisan issue.
I am reminded of the old adage that you should be careful with what you wish for. It was quite obvious the first term that Trump is not competent for the job. Now the question will be what he learned the first time.
Lars,
To clean house and bring in outsiders, like Musk, that is the lesson. All directors, Deputy Directors and the next level down must be purged and replaced with business and freedom minded patriots.
It was quite obvious from his first term that Trump is good for business and good for world peace. Wall Street clearly agrees. The business of America is business. Let it roll and we’ll all be fine – except the commies and race baiters among us.
TTG,
In all seriousness, the Democrats loss of 20 million votes – without Trump gaining them – really is peculiar.
I know with a high degree of certainty that the Trump team was aware of how election cheating may have been performed in 2020 and that they took several measures to keep it to a manageable level, if not eliminate it entirely, this year. Was the loss of 20 million votes due to that effort? Due to Democrat apathy, given Harris? Some mix of the two? Some other factors? It will be interesting to see objective postmortems on the topic.
It will be interesting to see how things go without Trump having rational thinkers around him like he did the first term. A large chunk of those people, who saw Trump for who he was, campaigned against him.
I will be waiting for Trump’s lawsuits proving that the election was rigged. If not, he owes the American people a huge apology.
What people fail to realise is that he has no real policies and beliefs of his own, although those backing him certainly do. When Trump says “Make America Great Again” he is talking about his one sole heart felt belief. That his presence as the leader of the US is the ONE thing that makes this country great.
Beginning of February Trump will announce a movement to repeal the 22nd Amendment of the US Constitution that bans US Presidents from serving only two terms. The ONLY way to keep America great is with Trump in power.
Stefan – “Rational thinkers around him like… the first term”???
Trump threw out Christie’s lists of nominees (stacked with trad GOP ideologues), choosing Cabinet and Advisors based primarily on personal loyalty, regardless of experience, knowledge, etc., and then wound up firing most of them pretty quickly (highest turnover in Cabinet ever?). IMO, Trump’s managerial incompetence is the only thing which saved us from his “policies”.
In 2016, the GOP Big Money didn’t support him – they invested in Senate and House races instead. They were as surprised as everyone else that Trump won.
This time, those Big Donors – and their Think Tanks – have actively supported Trump. The question now is whether Trump “learned how to govern”, or whether he will even bother this time.
Frankly, I don’t expect him to pay much attention to actually running the government. It’s hard work, and only “fun” for hard-core Wonks who really care about Ideology and Policy. Also, Trump is obviously older and mentally wobblier than he was even a year ago; I expect Vance to become President before 2028, one way or another.
IMO, Project 2025 was the GOP Think Tank’s way of getting Trump to go along with installing *their* people in the Federal Bureaucracy. Within a few months of Inauguration, the list of actual appointments will tell us who’s in charge: Trump, or the GOP Donors. My first guess is that Trump will get to put Musk and Kennedy in the Cabinet, but neither will last long (both lack the skill or persistence to win a Pawn Game).
Stefan,
You forgot the /s tag.
Stefan,
At least we don’t have to hear the foreign born agitators, like you and Lars, going on about eliminating the electoral vote process.
Election rigging was stopped this year based on learning from 2020. That is a reason why Harris was some 17 million less than Biden while Trump remained more or less the same.
Your sour grapes and ill wishes amuse us. The people have spoken and part of what they say is that they reject your world view. What’s funny – just one of the funny aspects – is that even your Muslim buddies, in places like Dearborn, MI, rejected your world view and either voted Trump; or at least abstained from voting Harris. You are out of touch; on the fringe. Either grow out of it or get used to losing.
You’ll understand “my drift” Eric as I’m certain you’ll know Arkansas’ been hit with fourteen inches of rain since November 2nd:
https://babylonbee.com/news/flash-flood-warnings-issued-liberal-tears-continue-soak-nation
I think we’ll recover so long as we can wait out for the January 20th version of FEMA though. Which I think we can. Handily.
JK/AR,
Hang in there. Glad you know you can make. I’m sure y’all are indeed a tough crew.
Yes, a federal government more interested in its own citizens, as opposed to Soros’ and the UN’s hordes that stretch from the Darien Gap to Burlington, Vermont is on the way.
Stefan,
Here is how the Nazis rejected Harris, even though she tried to win them over with her scintillating intelligence and charisma.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWSRgPpYKrg
Eric Newhill
This will be more to your taste than haggling about “consciousness”. 😀
https://x.com/LangmanVince/status/1854187223282765841
JLD,
LOL. That is awesome. Thanks!
Resistance to Trump is being called for
by, what else, the Washington Post:
“The second resistance to Trump must start right now.
He will probably be even more
extreme, cruel and radical in his second term
than he was in his first.”
by Perry Bacon Jr.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/11/06/second-trump-resistance/
My response:
Just who are you calling extreme and radical?
What is extreme or radical
is a function of the eye of the beholder.
In my view, the Washington Post itself rather often pushes radical policies,
calling them “progressive.”
For example,
the normalization of transgenderism, and
supporting massive immigration from Third World countries and societies which is radically transforming the demographics, and ultimately the culture, of the West.
Also criticism of whites, men (toxic masculinity) and heterosexuals (who get called “homophobes”).
What do all these things being criticized have in common?
Commonality with the Nazis.
The Nazis were racist, sexist and homophobic.
It seems the agenda, and goal, is to demonize anything connected to the Nazis.
For yet another example of this,
see how and why Nobel Prize-winning physicist Robert Millikan was demonized by the college he had done so much to support:
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/caltech-to-remove-the-names-of-robert-a-millikan-and-five-other-eugenics-proponents
Keith,
And the Audobon was built by Nazis. Super highways are Fascist! Take the back roads in your EV to signal that you are not a Nazi!
The copium is strong here today.
“One mystery I see is the story of record voter turnout and 20 million fewer voters.”
Don’t think “2020 was stolen”. Better not ask where 15,000,000 ballots went. Biden was always more popular that Barack
Has Prime Minister Starmer issued an apology for his foreign secretary stating publicly that the now president elect was a KKK racist supporter of nazis? Or does the man leading the body holding the sovereign power of the king need a call from the actual king to do so?
The market is up? Looks like no one is going to get taxed on unrealized capital gains. Or tips. Who cast the tie-breaking vote for taxing those? I wonder who remembered that on election day?
“Harris’ message of more of the same fell flat.”
Peanut showed us just what the government would do when ‘following procedures’ because some Karen from out of state called in complaints. So yes, more of that fell right, ‘far right’, on election night.
“The real shocker is that it looks like Trump also won the popular vote.”
Time for reaching across the aisle: End the filibuster, pack the court. It’s what Kamala asked for after all. Give them what they want, good and hard.
Pelosi and Schumer (and McConnel) are done as national leaders. They burned their credibility and political capital for the ‘first ever…’ instead of a candidate who was competent. And did so in the worst way possible. Joining them on the list of careers coming to an end: Tim Walz, Liz Cheney, pollsters galore, legacy media news anchors, NYT, Hollywood (when are they leaving this time) celebrities, lots of lawyers – starting with Leticia James (doesn’t she know she has to respond to (new admin) DOJ subpoenas? Fanni Willis – here’s looking @ you kid!
Zelenski, but who believes the Russians when they say –
” Ukraine’s army chief to recall troops from Russian region – Ukrainian MP”
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1854218439595843627
Oh, did you notice the German government looks like it is collapsing? Might be good to look what is happening in Japan now too.
One last loser: Barack Obama. What was black turnout for the orange man? He’s going to be remembered for personal charisma and division.
Fred,
The earlier reports of 20 million fewer voters must have referred to ballots counted at that time. They’ve been counting throughout the day and are still counting in some states. Here’s figures from late this afternoon.
“U.S. voter turnout on Nov. 5 is projected to be around 65 percent, with more than 158 million ballots counted, according to data from the University of Florida’s Election Lab. That number is a dip from the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which registered a historic 67 percent turnout.”
total for 2020 66.38%. 159,738,337
total for 2024. 64.52%. 158,549,000
By the time all ballots are counted, it should be pretty close. Doesn’t look like a damned thing was stolen.
The market is up right now because there won’t be any drama from now until January 20, along with real likelihood that a lot of business regulations will disappear and corporate taxes will go down.
2004 Kerry – 59M
2008 Obama – 69.5M
2012 Obama – 65.9M
2016 Clinton – 65.9M
2020 Biden – 81.3 M
2024 Harris – 66.4M
Pattern recognition and being able to pick the thing that doesn’t belong are standard concepts on IQ tests.
Eric Newhill,
The Biden win was in the midst of Covid killing tens of thousands, the lockdown and economic collapse. Of course 81 million voted for the other guy. Four years later and everyone forgot about Covid, the lockdown and economic collapse.
The total ballots cast were fairly consistent.
TTG,
“Four years later and everyone forgot about Covid, the lockdown and economic collapse.”
You might have forgot, along with the ‘good german’ type of democrat. The others were motivated to turn out the vote.
“the lockdown and economic collapse”
Whitmer, her state voted for Trump; Cuomo – what happened to him? Do you need a list of the other governors who imposed those policies? It wasn’t the Trump.
Fred,
Trump called a voluntary national shutdown in March 2020 and extended it at least once. Before that, it was all “it’s disappearing tomorrow” happy talk.
TTG,
That’s a nice story, but just a story.
2024 Trump has just shy of 72M votes. In 2020 he received a little over 74M votes. So Trump lost around 2M votes this year compared to 2020. The democrats lost almost 15 million between Biden 2020 and Harris 2024. Trump ran on the same message and Harris as a continuation of Biden (“What would you do differently?” – “Nothing comes to mind”, etc.).
You say, “That number is a dip from the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which registered a historic 67 percent turnout.”
total for 2020 66.38%. 159,738,337
total for 2024. 64.52%. 158,549,000
By the time all ballots are counted, it should be pretty close. Doesn’t look like a damned thing was stolen.”
2020 Trump 74M and Biden 81M = 155M, Then there were around approximately 2.5M third party votes. So we’re at 157.5M. I was rounding a down bit to the nearest million in some figures I used. So let’s call it 158M votes actually cast.
When I add Harris’ 2024 66.4M to Trump’s 2024 72M, I get 138.4M, not 158,594,000. Then there are around 1.3M third party votes, primarily Stein and Kennedy (where he was forced to remain on the ballot). So, being generous, we could say 140M votes in 2024, far from your figure of 158,549,000 – 18.5M shy of your figure.
Do you seriously think that there are 18.5M votes that haven’t been counted yet? I sure don’t.
The problem with working from a percent of registered voters is that we know, as a fact, that many states have illegitimate cloned records (duplicate records but with different voter IDs). NY alone has at least 2M of them. Wisconsin has something like a 1M. Michigan has them. Texas has them. Arizona is rife with them. We also know (= verified fact) that algorithms in voter ID creation process can be used to predict cloned records at 99% accuracy. Bottom line, state voter registration figures are garbage b/c there are many illegal records in them. Your denominator is useless.
If you want to bury your head in the sand, that’s your choice, but don’t go calling BS on matters that you refuse to look into beyond Snopes or some other source likely aligned with the cheaters. That is akin to EO’s pronouncements that the “west” is kaput based off Larry Johnson, Moon of Alabama and Martyanov “analysis”.
Eric Newhill,
All the ballots cast have not yet been counted. That’s ballots cast, not registered voters. This morning, they’re at 60% in California, 70% in Washington, Utah and Arizona, 80% in Colorado, Maryland and Oregon. A few other states stand at less than 99%. That’s at least 8 million in California alone. Wait until their all counted before rolling out the conspiracy theories and/or evidence of real voter fraud.
BTW, I’m still curious about those inexplicable anomalies and algorithms in the NYS voter lists.
TTG,
“voluntary” how does that differ from Whitmer’s mandatory actions; Cuomo’s shipping sick elderly back to nursing homes, and Biden’s mandatory vax? How about the other government bodies with MANDATORY compliance orders. Newscum in CA, Pritzer in Illinois; do you need me to recite the whole list because your memory is going?
Fred,
The lockdowns started as Trump’s “15 Days to Slow the Spread” initiative in March 2020. He extended that until the end of April as the number of Covid cases and deaths kept rising. That was the origin of the months long state mandated lockdowns. Although he was eager to reopen the country, he did little beyond aggressively supporting the development of the vaccine. He screwed the pooch on the national Covid response and shoed little leadership. After all, he was the President at the time.
TTG,
Those algorithms exist in every state examined (there was a flurry of state data studied in the last couple months, but knowing what to look for accelerated the production of results). AZ and TX are as algorithm laden as NY. Ohio is big in the three most populous counties. Wisconsin is a mess too.
A more recent confirmation – since our discussion here – is that, in NY, one of the algorithms points with 99% accuracy to the “cloned” records (registrations that are identical to at least one other in every way, name, address, DOB, etc., except they have a different voter ID. What are other data segments created by the algorithms represent a cheating opportunity that is not understood at this time?
NY has around 2M cloned records. Other states have proportional volumes of clones. Some state offices (not NY) who have been shown the evidence are shocked and will be moving to remediate their registration DBs as well as investigate the origin/root cause. Mostly those are Republican run Secretary of State offices. Democrats won’t return calls or, if they do, respond with hostility. One office has confirmed that they hired a consulting company recommended by the feds to implement the HAVA requirements, which is when all these clones and algorithms began to appear (between 2007 and 2009 implantation dates in most states). I have always suspected that it is the consulting companies, really a single group, who are responsible for the algorithms – and that their direction came from the federal government.
Have cloned records ever been used to create fake ballots that were counted as votes? The answer seems to be “yes”, though it is challenging to produce irrefutable proof. One reason is that mail in ballot can only be verified by the envelop in which they are delivered. The envelopes are destroyed (incineration or shredding) within 48 hours of being opened; convenient, no?
None of the above should be happening. Algorithms should not be in registration data. Could there be an innocent explanation for complex logic that segments registered voters? I don’t know. I can’t think of one and that would be a very overly-complicated way of record keeping. Should clones be in the data? No! The clones are an opportunity for cheating just screaming to be utilized.
All of the above has been verified by independent parties and by states themselves after they were shown the evidence. The volumes are absolutely large enough to swing elections if used for that purpose.
Were clones, etc. actually used to swing election? Again, cannot be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, but when I see suspicious election results I am compelled to strongly consider it happened.
The solution here is simple. Issue everyone a new voter ID with a new ID number, created by neutral consultants with neutral observers verifying that no hanky pinky has been involved in the new database and ID assignment process. Then do like Europe with regards to ballot counting. Minimize use of mail-in ballots and make the envelops be kept into perpetuity by law (felony if envelops are damaged or lost).
Eric Newhill,
I agree that those algorithms should not be in the voter databases. They serve no purpose other than cast doubt on the integrity of the system. But I don’t see where cloned voter IDs can be used other than to create the illusion that more voters are registered than there really are. When I vote, the poll worker verifies my name and address. The voter ID number is immaterial. The same with my wife’s mail-in ballot. No voter ID number is involved in the request for a ballot or on the ballot itself. It is the name and address that controls the process. When her ballot is registered as received, it’s registered by name and address. Once registered, the ballot becomes another secret ballot just like all those done in person. I don’t see how keeping the envelopes, especially if they are connected to the ballots would serve any purpose beyond violating the concept of a secret ballot.
Have there been verifiable instances of voters showing up to vote in person or requesting a mail-in ballot finding that their name has already been checked off as voted or having been mailed a ballot? That’s the only way I can see this producing any kind of voter fraud.
TTG,
When I voted early, in-person, here in AZ, the checks that a) I’m who I say I am and b) I have a valid voter registration, were very thorough. I was impressed at how serious the poll workers were.
I don’t see how the mail-in checks can be as certain. I am NOT saying this happens, but I can suggest that it could. Tell me where I have it wrong……
…..we have a cloned record. The algorithm allows bad actors to create query logic to run in the registration DB and identify the clone. Anyone else looking at the registration DB sees the record as a legitimate registered voter.
The real person can vote in-person or request a mail-in ballot. The bad actors can request a mail-in ballot for the clone. The two ballots (real person and clone) will not negate each other b/c the have different voter IDs.
The bad actors can fill out the clone’s ballot and submit it as a vote. It will pass all of the checks (I believe).
The clones are hidden within the DB from algorithm naive investigators, but being associated with a real person there is a plausible deniability if they are ever detected by serendipity. The state just says that a real person accidentally registered twice and got two (or more) different IDs, nothing to see, not a problem, etc. In fact, that is what NY has actually said, whereas some other states are not sure how clones were created and seek to clean them up.
Since the mail-in ballot envelops are destroyed shortly after the election concludes, there is no way to verify which ballots were cast by clones. All of the identifying info is on the envelop (again, please correct me if I’m wrong).
The algorithms break registration data – the voter IDs – into non-random segments, or groups. That is clear as day. Why segment? Based on one algorithm predicting clones, the other algorithms are highly suspicious. We don’t have enough data in the publicly available DB to assess what the other algorithms are using as a basis of segmentation.
Elections are a high stakes game. The clones and algorithms represent an opportunity to cheat. If the stakes are high, an opportunity to cheat is available and the chance of being caught cheating is low, cheating will occur.
Eric Newhill,
“The real person can vote in-person or request a mail-in ballot. The bad actors can request a mail-in ballot for the clone. The two ballots (real person and clone) will not negate each other b/c they have different voter IDs.”
But the names and addresses of the real and cloned entry are the same. Am I right? The request for a mail in ballot does not reference a voter ID, just the name and address and the last 4 of the SSN in Virginia. There is no voter ID on the request form. How does the bad actor distinguish between the true and cloned voter ID? How can the bad actor point the ballot request to a cloned entry. It’s not done on the request form. It would require the poll worker or registrar to ignore the duplicate name and address on the local voter role. Why wouldn’t the same name and address negate each other or at least raise an issue to the poll worker or registrar?
Maybe there’s a way to use these fishy algorithms and clones to cheat, but I don’t see how it can be done on the local level where the voting takes place, in person or by mail.
TTG,
My understanding is that with clones, the names are the same. Sometimes the addresses are the same and often they are not. Birth date is the same. I had to go back and check that just now. I’m not the expert here, Andrew is. So the original/real record might be William Jones, birth date = 7/4/1968, 123 Main Street and the clone could be William Jones, birth date = 7/4/1968 789 Park Street. Sometimes the county is the same and sometimes the counties are different.
I do know that representative samples of clones in different counties in NY were “canvassed”; meaning someone went out to the address to see who lived there – or google maps/earth was used. In many cases the address was a vacant lot, a warehouse, that sort of thing. In some cases a real house, but the person who answered the door claimed that no one by that name had ever lived there.
“The voter ID number is immaterial. The same with my wife’s mail-in ballot. No voter ID number is involved in the request for a ballot or on the ballot itself. ”
It could be done differently in different states. That said, I tend to agree that name and address are the critical identifiers. I think the point of the voter ID is just that it separates records in the database. It helps create the appearance of different individuals where there is only one real person.
I’ll repeat that I really don’t know with any degree of certainty how a cheat scheme would work using clones or other voter segments created by the algorithms; only that, as you say, they cast doubt on the integrity of elections.
One of my questions has always been why go to the trouble of creating clones? Why not just cook up some dummy names and other info? We just don’t have enough info as to how what happens behind the scenes in these DBs and why (what underlying processes and data issues are being handled and for what purposes). The fact that, to date, no officials have been willing to explain any of it further casts doubt on the innocence of whatever is happening, though it doesn’t necessarily point to malfeasance either. It could be the same stupid bureaucratic mindset that killed PNut and Fred (the raccoon).
The clones may be mostly an artifact of people registering in different ways at different times and then the officials failing to delete the bad records as they are supposed to – though that doesn’t explain the bad addresses associated w/ them. Maybe people feel pressured into registering even though they’re pretty sure they already did and maybe they then deliberately give a fake address – who knows?. If clones play a roll in cheating, it could be simply to inflate registration numbers so fake ballots + real ballots doesn’t exceed total registrations.
All of my speculation as to how and why constitutes a reiteration of why this crap needs to be cleaned up so as to remove potential temptations to bad actors and doubts by citizens. I know you agree.
Anyhow, knowing what I know, when I see a spike in votes in 2020 for democrats and then a return to baseline in 2024, I can’t help but wonder.
Eric Newhill,
I agree that this crap needs to be cleaned up. I don’t like the idea that some officials are resisting this or just refusing to see it as a problem. Perhaps there’s some way to use these clones on a wholesale basis for voter fraud that you or I can’t see yet.
TTG,
That is a fair enough conclusion. I do know with certainty that Team Trump is aware of everything I described. Perhaps they have additional related info. I don’t know. I do know that they believed that encouraging supporters to vote early would mitigate the impact. I’m not clear as to why. I also know that they had people watching certain aspects of the process. I’m not sure of what.
And all of that said, it looks to me like this 2024 election was very clean and fair – we all win when that is the case. Hopefully, the system can be sorted out in the same spirit.
TTG,
“U.S. voter turnout on Nov. 5 is projected to be around 65 percent,
…
That number is a dip from the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which registered a historic 67 percent turnout.”
Seems like I will be a guy who says it first here. My wildarse guess is that 2 percent are anti-Trump Republicans who voted for Biden in 2020. They sat out this election because they don’t want to elect Kamala Harris, a non-white woman.
TTG,
You manipulation of data to sooth your feelings is not sophistry, it is impudence.
2020:
Biden 81 million
Trum 74 million.
Right now Kamala is 67 million and Trump 74. A couple of low population states don’t have a spare 14 million ballots laying around.
Fred,
RIGHT NOW Kamala is 67 million and Trump 74. There’s millions more to be counted.
Fred,
I’m still pissed off about PNut and your namesake racoon (for real).
I’d like to think that their deaths were not in vain; that just maybe they helped tilt the vote in favor of a man who doesn’t work for a cold soulless technocracy that seizes innocent beloved creatures in the middle of the night, to take them to the gas chambers.
Eric,
It is simply the government bureaucratic mindset in action. The same thing led to Waco, Ruby Ridge, and a slew of other tyrannical actions. Whomever ran that organization would have been far more effective in talking to that couple some time in the past 7 years and getting them a special permit/exemption provided they give some free advertisement pointing out the reality that neither type of animal is domesticated and some do pose a health threat. Five minutes of education online would get repeated dozens of times a year as people watched the videos. Zero cost. Instead this is going to cost the state a couple of million and further discredit the democratic party in NY. Idiots. It is even worse when you see the video of what they did to their house.
Keith Harbaugh,
“My response:
Just who are you calling extreme and radical?
What is extreme or radical
is a function of the eye of the beholder.”
That said it all. Half of the country call the other half “extreme or radical” and vice versa.
“The Nazis were racist, sexist and homophobic.”
Yes.
“It seems the agenda, and goal, is to demonize anything connected to the Nazis.”
The Nazis should be eradicated, no need to demonize them.
TonyL,
Um, maybe you missed it, but the Nazis were eradicated way back in 1945.
The socialists, who have proven even better at mass murder, individual and societal destruction are still alive and well; with plenty of fan boys and girls.
TonyL,
Did you miss all those heads of state congratulating Hitler for his election victory? Or our sitting vice president conceding to Hitler?
I wrote:
“It seems the agenda, and goal, is to demonize anything connected to the Nazis.”
You responded:
“The Nazis should be eradicated, no need to demonize them.”
Please do not conflate “the Nazis”,
who perpetrated the Holocaust,
with “anything connected to the Nazis.”
That is blatant guilt by association.
Daniel Davis on one side of the foreign policy implications of the Trump victory:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grYFIZ4x0AM&ab_channel=DanielDavis%2FDeepDive
Very realistic, very pragmatic. It would be great if the conflict could indeed end with an agreed settlement between the US and Russia, as the clip at the start indicates. But it’s a long time to the inauguration and in any case one Russian condition for a settlement, as set out by Putin not long back and set out again by Lavrov in the Newsweek interview, is the lifting of sanctions.
President-elect Trump would have to be a magician to be able to get that done. So I believe we’ll end up instead with an imposed settlement of the Ukrainian conflict, imposed by the Russians according to the terms set out by Putin in February 2022 but now with territorial adjustments as well.
That issue aside, I hope it’s OK for an outsider to wish the Americans well with their choice. The European politicians currently in power will have long faces, but there are plenty all over Europe will feel, as I do, that it was time to be rid of the neocons.
Or rid of the “Borg”, as the Colonel used to term the current Washington foreign policy establishment. Has there been just one single instance of Biden and his Europoodles getting Western foreign policy right? I can’t think of one. America is well rid of such and it’s our loss this side of the Atlantic that Europe won’t be.
EO,
Don’t count on Trump remaining buddies with Putin. He no longer needs his good will and may not drop Ukraine as you hope once he gets in office. He’s going to pushing American oil and gas and certainly doesn’t want Russian oil and gas to be depressing prices.
TTG,
Trump’s going to keep Zelensky and his government funded and at war with Russian? That’s some good stuff you’re high on sir.
“He’s going to pushing American oil and gas and certainly doesn’t want Russian oil and gas to be depressing prices.”
You might want to look at what low oil and gas prices do to retail gas and diesel in the US, and low natural gas prices do for heating and industry in the US. Not everyone has your income. Pompeo – first in his class – isn’t around to sell his neocon con job this time. Neither is Nikki the nobody or a bunch of other war mongers (Cheney) he called out during this campaign.
TTG – in that opening clip of the Daniel Davis video we saw Trump engaging to arrive at a settlement of the Ukrainian war. One, presumably, that’ll satisfy or at least not disappoint too much Western expectations.
I don’t think Trump would be able to do that. The Russians have set the bar too high for him to clear.
It’s the sanctions. A Russian precondition for negotiations is that all sanctions should be lifted.
That precondition set out by Putin in his speech of 14th July:-
” Certainly, the rights, freedoms, and interests of Russian-speaking citizens in Ukraine must be fully protected. The new territorial realities, including the status of Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, Kherson, and Zaporozhye regions as parts of the Russian Federation, should be acknowledged. These foundational principles need to be formalised through fundamental international agreements in the future. Naturally, this entails the removal of all Western sanctions against Russia as well.”
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1957107/
Lavrov ramming the point home in his Newsweek interview:-
“On 14 June, President Vladimir Putin listed prerequisites for the settlement as follows: complete AFU withdrawal from the DPR [Donetsk People’s Republic], LPR [Luhansk People’s Republic], Zaporozhye and Kherson Oblasts; recognition of territorial realities as enshrined in the Russian Constitution; neutral, non-bloc, non-nuclear status for Ukraine; its demilitarization and denazification; securing the rights, freedoms and interests of Russian-speaking citizens; and removal of all sanctions against Russia.
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-russias-lavrov-warns-dangerous-consequences-us-ukraine-1964468
Could Trump meet that sanctions precondition? We don’t even know whether he wants to get those sanctions lifted. If he does want to, he’d have a job and a half getting that past Congress. If he managed that – most unlikely – he’d have to get Berlin/Brussels to lift their own sanctions.
He won’t do that. I know my Eurocrats. They’d have a collective heart attack if they had to lift all sanctions. Kallas, the new High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy who’s taken over from Borrell – the EU equivalent of Blinken – is neocon as they come. Her idea of a happy time is to break the RF up into little bits. Has said just that recently. Even Euronews gives her top marks for Russophobia:-
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/06/26/kaja-kallas-the-russia-hawk-poised-to-become-the-eus-top-diplomat
As for Starmer, it’s an error to think of him as a lefty. Trilateral Commission and more neocon than Bolton. It’s not long since he had Zelensky in to a Cabinet Meeting and they all gave him a standing ovation. Starmer’s in as deep as Kallas when it comes to Russia delenda est.
I’d be very surprised if even Trump could wheel and deal his way past all that resistance. That Russian sanctions precondition therefore puts a negotiated settlement of the Ukrainian conflict that would satisfy the West out of reach.
EO,
“that it was time to be rid of the neocons.”
I think you will be disappointed. I predict the 2nd Trump administration will be just like the 1st, infested with neocons, just like with Biden’s administration.
Tony L – well, the man can only work with the material to hand. This was Putin’s problem, as he and his team set about dragging Russia out of the ’90’s. All very well setting the policy and giving the orders. Impossible to micromanage all the people actually carrying them out.
So as in 2016, in this 2024 administration it won’t be Trump who’ll be on trial. It’ll be the Beltway and the fat cats.
Any mistakes he makes, and he’s bound to make lots, they’ll be on to him like terriers round a badger. Just have to see who wins out.
In that, we agree, EO.
TonyL,
Prepare to be proven wrong again, eel muncher.
Trump and members of his team are already explaining how the neocons are on the way out, along with a lot of other corrosive elements. The dedication is solid. Stop relying on the CCP or whatever leftist sources you get your info from. They are deceiving you.
“Trump and members of his team are already explaining how the neocons are on the way out”
OK. I’ll be thrilled, and will give him the credit when that actually happens.
“Prepare to be proven wrong again, eel muncher …
Stop relying on the CCP or whatever leftist sources you get your info from.”
I was waiting for a juvenile response from the usual suspect. I was not disappointed ; )
One reason why Trump will not get too close to Putin is that if he ends support for Ukraine, a lot of wealthy ammo makers will be very upset and many of their buddies can be found in Congress. Trump will as usual get his “honeymoon”, but I don’t think it will last long. A lot of people liked the way he talked. Now he has to deliver and he has no idea about the consequences, or ability to understand them. I know that there are those who consider him a Messiah and he likes that, but if the miracles fail to materialize, the tarnish will set in. When he won the first time, we had a guy around here who was all gaga about him and wrote a post about what would happen. I saved a copy and found out over time that none of it came to fruition. As that unfolded, he did not last long around here either. The federal government is a very complex entity and few know how to manage it. Trump has already shown us that he can’t and an older version of him much less. It will be interesting to see him set his goon squads on immigrants. All those Latino hombres who voted for him may very well soon regret it, as just looking Latino will attract attention.
TTG..Your Comment Someone was Full of Crap….That Smells True…I Suggest We call Gutfeld…The Poo Detective….
Otherwise…Im Also Watching The EU..Leaders and Other House of Sod…The See
Just how Far the “Alternative For Dutchland” Effect Will Go Now.. I Think I can
See That RED Line Now…It Circles The Earth Like the Fault Lines.. Wait Wait..
Yes…The New Worlds Really Under Antartica…Maybe ever the YMCA,,
Jim
Jim,
Did you notice what is happening to the AfD free coalition running Germany?
Fred – the FDP party members want to send Taurus missiles to Ukraine. So do the Greens. So also Merz, in the opposition.
All political theatre. Easy to act the tough guy if you know acting is all it is. Scholz, who has to make the decision, fears that if he does give Zelensky Taurus the Russians could well retaliate with strikes on Germany production facilities.
The FDP is also finding Scholz’s funding proposals difficult to accept. They don’t say what funding proposals they’d adopt. Again, easy to play at being fiscally responsible if you’re not sitting in the hot seat.
The FDP is also not wild about the Energiewende. But the main problem is they think there might be an election coming up and they’re scared of getting too few votes to qualify for government money.
The money’s a genuine concern, not just theatre, so they’re jumping ship to distance themselves from a failed coalition.
LeaNder will correct anything I’ve got wrong there. Main point is, German politics is about as squalid as it gets. It’s full of witless Russophobes who daren’t go for Russia themselves and can’t get Uncle Sam to do it for them. Scholz’s hope was always to ditch the Russians with his sanctions war. Now that’s backfired he’s at something of a loss.
He’s also scared stiff of the Russians. Well, you try holding up the Red Army – they still think in those terms – with a couple of tanks and some broomsticks.
Pitiful. Not exactly the fastest gun in the West, old Scholzy. But Bellatrix LeBaerbock is the prettiest neocon in the West, which can’t in all honesty be said of anyone in Starmer’s stable, so they have the edge on us there at least.
English,
“The FDP is also finding Scholz’s funding proposals difficult to accept.”
So they don’t want to send tax monies to Zelensky so he can hand them right over to the London bankers who are on the hook for all those defaulted Ukie bonds? Surprise surprise.
Lindner, from the pro-business Free Democrats, rejected tax increases or changes to Germany’s strict self-imposed limits on running up debt. Scholz described Lindner’s plan as “tax cuts worth billions for a few top earners while at the same time cutting pensions for all pensioners. Lindner called Scholz’s proposals ““dull, unambitious and making no contribution to overcoming the fundamental weakness of our country’s growth.” There was no mention of sending tax monies to Ukraine.
TTG,
They need to say that part out loud? That’s a distinct lack of situational awareness, especially amongst the elite German politicians.
Fred….No…I Know the AfD…Party.
..(Alternative for Deutschland)… Whose Members wereFormerly CDU..Members…Who Became Ultra Nationalistic…Anti Immigration..Anti Muslim..and Created Another Party…which
is Very Strong in Former East Germany in Communist Areas..
It is very Strong in Saxony and Turingia..And Won Elections on November 2nd..Now Schultz wants to Have a Vote of Confidence..and
move German Elections Up to March next Year…
Over Here…They Let Bernie Sanders ..a Socialist…Use The Democrat Platform all the Time…And Let..The “Alternative for America Party”..Operators….Continue to Use the Democrat Platform also..With a Coup of Course….There are More to World Events..
Sadly..Than Terminating…Peanut The Squirrel..Why..
Heat Wave…Religion…Political Heat Waves…like Tsunamis.
Who Are The Life Guards..Fred…Really..
Regarding the election,
an old phrase seems apropos:
The silent majority
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_majority
In 2020, the “silent majority” didn’t show up.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/03/trump-suburbs-reelection-nixon-296980
But in 2024 they sure did.
This election will be dissected and most of it will be inadequate and even wrong. But the reality now is that the GOP now controls the presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court. What could possibly go wrong?
For those of us who believe in historical cycles, we consider us nearing the end of one and historically, they end badly before a new one starts. And now we will have a group in charge that is more interested in cultural warfare than anything else. We will also find out about all the unintended consequences that always follow misguided actions.
As they say, be careful about what you wish for, because you may get it. But not necessarily in the form you expected.
Lars,
When did the Supreme Court become controlled by a political party?
“…be careful about what you wish for, because you may get it. ”
The left wanted rid of Biden. They got Kamala. So yes, they got what they wished for good and hard. A few supporters got their share of $1,000,000,000 of campaign money. Where oh where did that go?
This Supreme Court is the most partisan ever and Trump is largely responsible. Thus they issued one of the worst decisions since Dredd and made the President a monarch, ruling by divine mandate, since according to them, he is not criminally accountable for any “official” acts.
Rust Speak translation = they aren’t anti-Constitution, like me, a foreign born socialist with no appreciation for what the USA is all about.
Among the mass deportations on the way should be revoked green cards.
Lars,
Accountable? Sure he’s accountable. “Liable” is the term you meant? Guess what; neither is Obama for the ‘official act’ of spying on his campaign. Neither is Biden. Or future presidents.
“…. ruling by divine mandate…” God bless America. And thank you Mitch McConnell.