Epstein killed himself? Sure he did. Cui Bono?

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This creep was on suicide watch in a jail in lower Manhattan after having been treated for traumatic injuries suffered in the same cell two weeks ago?  Were there no cameras?  What did he hang himself with?  The bed sheets in a case like this are manufactured to be not strong enough to suspend an adult body.

This looks very suspicious to this old spook.  Who wanted him silenced?  Cui Bono?

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120 Responses to Epstein killed himself? Sure he did. Cui Bono?

  1. Avatar John Minehan says:

    OK, if anyone is looking for a new job, there are probably now places open in the NYC Dep’t of Corrections > . . (from Guard to Commissioner) . . . .

  2. Avatar John Minehan says:

    Hmmmmmm, ever hear of Abe “Kid Twist” Reles and what happened to him in protective custody?

  3. Avatar turcopolier says:

    John Minnerath
    My Arabs used to laugh about something they called “prison flu.”

  4. Avatar TonyL says:

    “This looks very suspicious to this old spook. Who wanted him silenced?”
    Donal Trump, and a few others.

  5. Avatar ambrit says:

    Sir;
    Who wouldn’t have wanted him dead?
    First, was there a “deadman” switch to release his personal files?
    Second, what happens to his ‘girlfriend’/procuress Ghiseline Maxwell? Does she ‘retire’ to Tel Aviv?
    Third, who takes control of the “Fantasy Island” complex in the Caribbean?
    Fourth, who does the autopsy, and will those records be sealed?
    Watch the Establishment attack dogs, aka the Main Stream Media, try to blame this on Trump.
    (I love the ‘pair of jokers’ you have up at the top of the post.)

  6. Avatar Jim Ticehurst says:

    I will believe it…When I see the DNA and Autopsy..Photos..and Other Forensic Evidence….

  7. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Wow. Who would’ve guessed that would happen?
    I thought they would have been more proactive and whacked him before he got raided and arrested and then worked with the estate to remove and disappear all incriminating materials he had stashed. So what happens to all of that stuff now? The feds disappear it? Trump admin uses it against its enemies?

  8. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Eric Newhill
    The friends and clients of Epstein thought they were in the clear. Remember, he flew back into the states voluntarily. In re Trump, if his hands and other parts are clean he should pursue the investigation of this death all the way.

  9. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Agnes Smedley
    Yes, you are a Dutch marxist evidently living in Amsterdam. this is not political. This IMO is some rich person or group trying to silence him about his sex crimes and their role in them..

  10. Avatar Fred says:

    So did he leave anything with anybody to ensure it came out just in case this happened to him?

  11. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    The conspiracy buffs will debate this for years.
    Most conspiracy theories can’t pass muster with Occam’s Razor. In this particular instance, believing this is an actual suicide is a stretch.
    JMG

  12. Avatar Ken says:

    Nothing to see here. Move along.

  13. Unbelievable, after the failed assassination attempt two weeks ago in my opinion. They actually had him in a cell with a mammoth crooked ex-cop who was in jail for murdering four people on a drug deal gone bad. And buried them in his backyard. This guy could break a neck in a second.
    Then after this failed attempt knowing everybody in the world is watching and very suspicious of the first suicide attempt they kill him anyway,
    That is power. The true power of the world. Impressive. They don’t care what you think.

  14. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    That is a real interesting question Fred. Someone in Epstein’s position would be catastrophically complacent not to have had a dead hand mechanism of some kind to spill the beans in the event of his ‘accidental’ death and to have widely communicated that fact to all concerned.

  15. Avatar PRC90 says:

    Poor Ghislaine Maxwell; her father and now her long term ‘boyfriend’ have departed in mysterious ways.

  16. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Who set him up making him believe it was safe to come back to the states?

  17. Avatar PRC90 says:

    You mean doing that as a matter of principle regardless of the elapsed time since his ‘heyday’ ?
    That level of efficiency in making people vanish may apply to bone-saw wielding employees of MBS, however US standards seemed to have slipped in many ways.

  18. Avatar Larry Kart says:

    Who doesn’t benefit?

  19. Avatar Lars says:

    There is something very curious about this. It is also very convenient for a lot of prominent people, which makes it highly suspicious. Now we will see if the explanation will be a Pulitzer worthy fiction.

  20. Avatar plantman says:

    I will reserve judgement until we see photos of the body, which the authorities have not yet produced.
    For all we know, he could be working on his tan on a beach in Guatemala with Ken Lay.

  21. Avatar nightsticker says:

    Col Lang,
    Whitey Bulger.
    Jeffrey Epstein.
    There appears to be a trend here.
    Nightsticker

  22. Avatar Divadab says:

    Does “suicide watch” mean watch the guy commit suicide ?
    Such a high profile case and still they got to him – I wonder if more witnesses and/or involved will also say goodbye cruel world?

  23. Avatar Vegetius says:

    We may never know…
    But one thing is obvious: from beginning to end, this had nothing to do with Jews, Judaism, or Israel. Such a notion should be unheard of, absurd, unthinkable.
    Anyone who suggests otherwise is a rabid, disgusting, unhinged purveyor of the most loathsome, grotesque and vile anti-Semitic stereotypes, canards and tropes.

  24. Avatar Unhinged Citizen says:

    So Kubrick was correct in shedding light on perverse sexual rituals enjoyed by the upper strata of society in his “Eyes Wide Shut”? Who thought it would be even darker than depicted, with pedophiliac high net worth investment bankers and child slave trafficking and rape islands…
    It’s good to know the leadership class of society is nothing more than sexual predators and deviants.

  25. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    Funny you should say that. Perhaps unsurprisingly there is already speculation the body is not his. The NYP published a couple of shots of ‘Epstein’ on a gurney so judge for yourself, the second has a reasonable shot of his profile. Far fetched it may be, but if he does have the insurance policy Fred alludes to and it truly untouchable it may be the only way to silence him.
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/

  26. Avatar JamesT says:

    The fact that Ghislaine Maxell is running around free as a bird is insane.

  27. Avatar turcopolier says:

    tonyL
    There are people more at risk by far than Trump.

  28. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Eric Newhill
    It had to be someone in government.

  29. Avatar catherine says:

    I agree. There were billions of dollars at risk on what Epstein could tell.
    Besides Lex Wexner of L Brands who now (15 years after the fact)says Epstein stole $45 million from him which he made no effort to get back there was Leon Black.
    ”Leon D. Black, head of Apollo Global Management one of the world’s largest private equity firms
    Black’s links to Epstein have become a source of concern to some Apollo employees and investors, including the California Public Employees’ Retirement System, which has committed more than $5 billion to 11 Apollo funds and is its second-largest shareholder.
    “Calpers takes this issue very seriously,” Wayne Davis, a spokesman for the Sacramento-based pension,”
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-31/jeffrey-epstein-had-a-door-into-apollo-his-deep-ties-with-black
    Black and Apollo would been ruined forever if he was outed as a sex participant with Epstein’s haram.
    And likely there are other big WS fish and financial world figures connected to Epstein that might even involve crimes other then sex with under age girls. Maybe actual sex trafficking or money laundering…his travel records show countries compatible
    with those activities.

  30. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    Or.. what better way to enter witness protection after doing a deal? Epstein’s ‘body’ should be expected to be identified by a relative & cremated in short order in this case.

  31. Avatar catherine says:

    Are reporters or photographs usually allowed in the emergency intake areas of hospitals? With all the “Restricted” signs posted
    I wouldn’t think so.. yet one was.
    I don’t normally jump on conspiracy theories but too manythings about this suicide don’t pass the smell test.

  32. Avatar John Minnerath says:

    Hardly the majority of them.

  33. Avatar catherine says:

    ‘I will believe it…When I see the DNA and Autopsy..Photos..and Other Forensic Evidence….”
    If he was killed that part of the investigation/report was predetermined in advance. And his previous suicide attempt would have been part of the set up to his actual death. ‘]
    I am interested to see what kind of comments his lawyers make. (and who they might be affiliated with themselves)

  34. Avatar ancientarcher says:

    So, Mossad whacked him or spirited him to Israel and put a decoy’s body in his plac ?

  35. Avatar Keith Harbaugh says:

    An interesting comparison:
    Phil Graham “committed suicide” after grossly insulting his wife, Katharine Graham,
    (supposedly he called her, in public, a “Jewish cow”)
    claiming he was going to divorce her and take control of the Washington Post. (Note that Phil controlled 70% of the controlling stock, Katharine 30%, even though Katharine’s father, Eugene Meyer, was the one who gave them the stock. One can only imagine how betrayed Katharine and her friends felt she was.)
    In any case, Phil was declared insane, but was released to spend some time on the family estate.
    There he found a shotgun which just happened to be lying loose, and killed himself (or so we are told).

  36. Avatar catherine says:

    We cant forget however what Acosta said:
    Acosta’s comments when being cleared by the Trump transition team. He was asked “Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” … “Acosta testified that he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had ‘been told’ to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone.’”
    And why has no one, even hot to trot investigative reporters asked Acosta WHO told him that? WHO would be the key to why the Florida trial let Epstein off so easy.

  37. Avatar The Beaver says:

    Remember, he flew back into the states voluntarily
    Colonel,
    Did he pull a “Roman Polanski” when he was released from jail in 2013?
    Where was he from back then until this July?

  38. Avatar The Beaver says:

    I doubt she is running around free.
    She closed her NGO ( Which gave her some respect amongst the who’s who) two weeks after Epstein was arrested and must be in Europe since she is both French and British

  39. Avatar Laurent K says:

    “They don’t care what you think” or they are so scared of what he could have said that they prefer him dead at any cost.

  40. Avatar ISL says:

    his victims

  41. Avatar oldman22 says:

    Is there a relationship between Epstein and the Apollo theft of nuclear materials by Israel? I have read this, but Epstein was only 12 years old when it happened.

  42. Avatar jonst says:

    a smart person, determined to act can almost always find a way to carry out the deed. And a shrewd person, determined to help him facilitate the act, can often find ways to assist. And that point the prison trustee system’s legendary efficacy and creativity kicks in. A wild card in this. And their primary motivation is money.

  43. Avatar CK says:

    The trend starts with BCCI in the 1980’s.
    Robert Mueller from beginning to end.

  44. Avatar CK says:

    Let’s try Robt. Mueller as he was the director of the FBI at that time.

  45. Avatar Mark Logan says:

    Good questions. I think the information is now even more difficult to bury after this though.
    I would guess if anyone had him killed they did so by getting him off suicide watch, or in to a low level of suicide watch. Killing a high-profile inmate in protective custody is very tricky business even for the Mafia. They typically are limited to exacting revenge once the inmate is in general pop.
    Devil’s advocacy:
    There was no great risk of Epstein talking. The prosecutors had little or no leverage on Epstein, who sure as hell wasn’t eligible for another Acosta deal. They could offer him nothing. Can’t see Epstein seeing any benefit to himself for squealing on anyone, and he was probably aware that no matter what the only way he was getting out was feet-first.

  46. Avatar walrus says:

    We didn’t have to wait long. I don’t think we will ever hear from Maxwell again either. Her continued existence depends on a fine judgment on what she knows and how keen she is to shut up.

  47. Avatar walrus says:

    The Epstein case will now be buried very quickly.

  48. Avatar David Solomon says:

    I told my wife two weeks ago, that Jeffrey Epstein would never live long enough to stand trial. Far too many wealthy political and investment creeps of all political stripes seemed to have been involved with him for years. I did not think there was any chance that those individuals would want him to testify in public.

  49. My guess is that The Florida reporters whose persistent investigation really led to the Epstein arrest and investigation will redouble their efforts to get to the bottom of this whole affair. The SDNY released a statement that the Epstein investigation including the conspiracy charge remains open and will continue. No one has a standing to challenge the search warrant on Epstein’s house. Everything is admissible against any other defendant without the possibility of a motion to suppress. Epstein’s death, no matter who’s to blame, won’t stop a thing. Perhaps Bad Bill and Dirty Don will end up sharing a cell or a motel room in a non-extradition country, along with a host of others.

  50. Avatar John Merryman says:

    This does significantly strain the overall credibility of the system, among those who would like nothing more than to believe in it, but still have some conscience and working brain cells.
    Yet having been raised fairly rural, with a significant respect for the natural cycles, this is nothing so much as watching necrotic tissue decay even further. Only for those raised in fairly sterile conditions, does it seem abnormal.

  51. Avatar walrus says:

    What hopefully happens now is called “diffusion of responsibility”. The AG is suitably “appalled”. We find that the dumbest prison guard in the history of New York was rostered on that night. He was called away to the telephone- by what proved to be an overseas telemarketing call. The paper records got jammed in the printer. The supervisor had a flat tire on the way to work. The computer broke down. You know the drill.
    I said “hopefully” because if an investigation discovers a perpetrator, then they will be dead in short order too. You always remove two links between victim and murderer. That way the crime is impossible to investigate.
    What this now means in practical terms is that HRC is free to run again for President.

  52. Avatar Petrel says:

    Epstein may have been lured back to the US with some cover story of a get-out-of-jail fake death — only the powers that be had decided to terminate his contract.

  53. Avatar doug says:

    “Epstein was above his pay grade. ‘I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone”
    This has always stood out. My take has always been that he was used as a honeypot and that he was valuable and useful to the agencies involved. Enough to afford him some protection. But there are limits.
    I can see his value for compromising others, possibly rising to agents of influence. But what IC?. Perhaps multiple cooperating? Pretty awful behaviors sometimes must be tolerated for a greater good. No question any ICs involved would have made such assessments.
    However, most all of his honeypot targets would not have the means to take him out. Perhaps a tiny number would but it would require a cold risk/reward assessment.
    So IC (most likely not the USA’s IC but a cooperating one) involvement is possible, but I think it more likely he did kill himself. At least slightly more likely. He was looking at a pretty grim future.

  54. Avatar JamesT says:

    She has not been arrested even though numerous women have testified that she trafficked them and sexually assaulted them when they were underage. The European authorities would extradite her if the US authorities had any interest in charging her.

  55. Avatar JP Billen says:

    Petrel –
    Why not terminate him overseas before his return? No mess, no fuss.

  56. Avatar SteveRogers42 says:

    Or he could be at a black site being strenuously interrogated far from any prying eyes.

  57. Avatar J says:

    Colonel,
    IMO the Israeli Government and their Mossad have/had the most to loose with Epstein spilling his guts. The 64 dollar ghost in the room is who in our own government (DOJ/CIA) who knew about the Epstein-Mossad Honey-trap, and did nothing or worse. It’s on the net that PMC Dynacorp jet ID’s have been pegged as the ones ferrying parties to Epstein-island.
    NYC is a hub of Mossad-connected activities and Mossad-affiliated Sayanim who stand at the ready to do the Mossad’s beck-and-call, including murder hits.
    Trillions of dollars in blackmail would have been lost by the Israeli Government and their Mossad had Epstein spilled his guts.

  58. Avatar Jim Ticehurst says:

    I am interested tyo see What decade this Investigation will ne Completed..I Finally just finished reading all about Jack Ruby on Wiki Last Nite..and was going to take another look at some 9/11 details….

  59. Avatar Jack says:

    Indeed. As Lars noted above the explanation of his “suicide” would befit a Pulitzer for fiction. The reality is that this ends any further investigation and the other child rapists in his orbit skate. This is an excellent example why conspiracy theories have a life. A high profile individual who attempted “suicide” and is on suicide watch in a federal detention center gets killed and there’s no video as it had a “malfunction”. Yeah,right!
    I feel for the girls who will not get closure as the mukety mucks get away. To anyone who believes there’s rule of law in our country, this should be a perfect example.

  60. Avatar fasteddiez says:

    I wonder how long it will take the peasantry to find out about the chain of custody for any “Real Autopsy” results? After all, there were similar examples in the past which featured some sloppy handling of evidence where disappearance, and falsification of crucial documents, and testimonies bring these kinds of events to a screeching halt.

  61. Avatar Artemesia says:

    Has the pool started on how much time will elapse before those trustees have a car accident?

  62. Avatar Jim Ticehurst says:

    Walrus…This Looks so Dark..You cant look into it with Night Vision Goggles..and looks so “Dirty” It should be Code Named…”PIG PEN,,”

  63. Avatar Jay M says:

    Probably not to many like him in Wiki, cause of death “defenistration”.

  64. Avatar PavewayIV says:

    Take your pick of conspiracies:
    1. Dead Epstein’s nose and ears don’t match those of a Live Epstein. Dead Epstein seems pretty dead, yet the paramedics in the NY Post picture are shown using an ambu (breathing) bag on him in a second pic, but not in the first. At the same time, they’re not performing chest compressions.
    e.g.: https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1160325431150751747
    2. NY Post published pictures of Epstein being wheeled into hospital may be fake. Photoshopped training pictures. Why would they do that?
    https://twitter.com/sandy49855/status/1160367630693425152
    Barr will do a thorough investigation. Two of them, in fact. He happened to work for the law firm that represented Epstein, but explains that was after 2008. Not that it mattered – Epstein had a slew of lawsuits that continued well after 2008 and handled by Barr’s employer until 2011.
    Oh, and Barr’s dad Donald Barr was the headmaster at Dalton – the elite NY prep school – that hired a 20-year-old two-time college dropout Epstein to teach math and physics. Probably just a coincidence.

  65. Avatar PRC90 says:

    Timing is (almost) everything. No doubt a Democrat controlled US State in which Epstein had some presence will now hold a judicial inquiry with the intention of releasing it’s report a week before the 2020 election date.
    This would exclude State’s whose Democrat apparatus contained gentlemen known to occasionally make their way to tropical islands.

  66. Avatar Jack says:

    If we were living in a paranoid fantasy universe, I would be very suspicious about the Epstein suicide, even about whether it was really suicide. And you know what? The Epstein case itself shows that we *are* kind of living in a paranoid fantasy universe

    Even Paul Krugman thinks something doesn’t smell right. Was Barr concerned that his Dad hired Epstein at Dalton? How does a con like this get executed?

  67. Avatar Jane says:

    The documents and testimonies prepared for a trial are still in use as it seems the case is not close. The victims will likely seek damages from his estate. Stay tuned.

  68. Avatar Vegetius says:

    We cannot forget Mike Cernovich, as much as we all would like to.

  69. Avatar Seamus Padraig says:

    Fifth, how do we know for sure that Epstein is really even dead? Have we seen a dead body yet?

  70. Avatar ancientarcher says:

    Guys, look at the bright side. At least the Clinton’s are safe now!! That was a close call!! Whew!

  71. Avatar Seamus Padraig says:

    Yup. After a medal from Mossad and some plastic surgery, old Jeffery might end up spending the rest of his days Club Med … or on Pleasure Island.

  72. Avatar ancientarcher says:

    We still don’t know whether it’s the real Epstein who died! We’ll be told that, of course. But if you believe that, you’ll believe anything

  73. Avatar Seamus Padraig says:

    If anyone here wants to know more about the background to this case, Whitney Webb over at Mint Press News did a really eye-opening series on pedophile-entrapment conspiracies in American/Canadian politics and business recently:
    https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy-story-jeffrey-epstein-scandal/261172/

  74. Avatar anon says:

    We will find out next month who the real predators are.
    King for a day
    Queen for a night
    Do our desires rule
    From day to night.

  75. Avatar anon says:

    On the other hand if epsteins money was to be used for campaign financing,a sort of “money or your life” then 2020 is going to be interesting.They say epstein started moving his money earlier this year.Deutsche bank.Deal of the century.Democrats.Doner kebab.and of course Donald.
    D for dalet.means door.but every door has a key,most made with fire and some the very few are made of fire.eternal flames that are keys to spiritual doors.They cannot be turned by hand,only by prayer.
    All of the above is pure speculation.Make a great netflix series

  76. Avatar strateshooter says:

    this corruption in US politics and DOJ is now so so pervasive hat I think only way to clear the cancer is for trump to use the Military to replace CIA, FBI, DOJ , clean out the Judges , clean out the Media and start again with STRICT compliance to the Laws of the US Constitution.
    The FBI /DOJ is clearly infested with the cancer of corruption.
    The DC and NY offices need to be fired in entirety and replaced by mid America new blood.

  77. Avatar Bobo says:

    Cui Bono! Epstein gained the most. The man was a Professional Sicko amongst other things thus his autopsy will show some manner of autoerotic ashyixia. But then what do I know.

  78. Avatar egl says:

    Epstein was in a Federal facility.

  79. Avatar EK says:

    I was wondering when I would see a Trump supporter explicitly promoting a military coup in the US in a Trump supportive blog with the alibi of returning to “Constitution and Law strict compliance”…
    No wonder a military coup is anti-constitutional….
    I always thought all these stories of the “deep state”, the “borg”, “drainning the swmp”, “paedophilia conspiracy theories”, “Epstein case”, “white supremacism terrorism”, and attacks by Trump, and his ideologues, against any US institution, were designed to sow the enough ammount of distrust and confussion amongst the US population so that they become more rone to allow such an outrage…
    “The FBI /DOJ is clearly infested with the cancer of corruption.”
    Mainly since both ends of the bipartisan system try to hijack the independence of some these powers by placing their ideologically kindred men any time they grab presidency. This includes Trump.
    “The DC and NY offices need to be fired in entirety and replaced by mid America new blood.”
    A public officers corps which reachs its position by merits independent from political filiation is the best gurantee for a Constitutional rule and a vaccine against authoritarian aims/intends like coup d´etats.

  80. Avatar PRC90 says:

    No more than three or four people on the entire planet know the effective truth of the matter, and they are probably not commenting on this page.
    Entertaining, however !

  81. Avatar eakens says:

    For all the beauty of the internet and free flow of information, it seems to not apply to things which happen inside of the USG (including its prison systems).
    It amazes me that 2M idiots will sign up to raid Area 51, but nobody gives a flying #$!# about anything else.

  82. Avatar turcopolier says:

    EK
    I suppose that from your position of “resistance” tht I appear to be a Trump supporter but I am not. I support the constitution and little else.

  83. Avatar turcopolier says:

    PRC90
    If Epstein was killed in some way a lot more people than that took part.

  84. Avatar Seamus Padraig says:

    Yeah, I guess we’ll never really know. Just another one of those things …

  85. Avatar Mai Maj says:

    Is it my imagination or are Hillary’s fingerprints all over this “suicide”?

  86. Avatar Vegetius says:

    And who is in charge of those prisons?
    I wonder if Hurwitz’s relationship will be reported on my anyone in the MSM.
    https://www.bop.gov/about/agency/bio_dir.jsp

  87. Avatar turcopolier says:

    vegetius
    The Huns are at the door. The prisons are actually run by low grade federal employees who like money.

  88. Avatar catherine says:

    Oddly enough none is interviewing his brother Mark Epstein…..not even any reports of trying but ‘declined to comment’.

  89. Avatar different clue says:

    Donald Trump? (and a few others)?
    How many flights did Donald Trump take on the Lolita Shuttle to Orgy Pedo Island? Now . . . how many flights did Bill Clinton take on the Lolita Shuttle to Orgy Pedo Island?
    Which one took more of those flights? Without doing any homework myself, I freely suspect that Clinton took way more Lolita Shuttle flights to Orgy Pedo Island than Trump did, if Trump even took any at all.
    And Clinton is more wired into more political networks than Trump is.

  90. Avatar different clue says:

    Choice number 2 is the better choice, and much to be hoped for.

  91. Avatar oldman22 says:

    The Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York (MCC New York) is right behind the federal courthouse which is on Foley Sq, less than a quarter mile from Brooklyn Bridge. MCC New York was opened in 1975, a decade after I worked at SDNY, and I have never visited MCC, so my “knowledge” is all hearsay. It is a modern high rise building, and its facilities are excellent. High profile prisoners are dealt with exclusively by “white shirts” (sergeants or lieutenants) never by “blueshirts”, this includes even delivery of their food.
    There is no comparison between MCC NY and other facilities in NY. The old “Tombs” is so bad that a woman prisoner was “discovered” there after 25 years of being locked up, and no one could explain why she was there. She said she had been complaining the entire time and no one would listen.

  92. Avatar PRC90 says:

    I’d agree that a large external team would be required in any place other than a prison, which by it’s nature would imply insider participation.
    If fate indeed lent a helping hand to Epstein, then a number of people within the prison would have needed to have turned their backs.
    Perhaps some former insiders from the Correctional system or LE may be able to design a scenario, including a prison staffing block chart, of ‘how’ the unfortunate Mr Epstein could have met his end.

  93. Avatar PRC90 says:

    Purely as a hypothetical scenario, how would you have dealt with Mr Epstein’s departure, if you don’t mind me asking ?

  94. Avatar PRC90 says:

    I believe he was ‘released’ ?

  95. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    catherine
    I’m more interested in how a Post reporter (William Farrington) just happened to be at the ER at 0730 to take the ‘proof of death’ shots with a clear shot of Epstein’s face and conveniently unidentifiable extras. FDNY guy #1 doesn’t even have shoulder patches on his shirt.

  96. Avatar catherine says:

    ”only way to clear the cancer is for trump to use the Military to replace CIA, FBI, DOJ , clean,,,, ”
    Please, no more Trump appointees. I thought I had ‘seen it all’ in Trump picked people with their phony resumes, Zionist memberships, foreign lobbyist practices and ‘friends of Jared’.
    Until I noticed this one because of a tweet she sent out about Epstein.
    Lynne Martine Patton (born 1973 was designated in June 2017 by President Donald Trump to head Region II of the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development, which oversees New York and New Jersey.
    She previously worked as an event planner for the Trump family, including planning the wedding of Eric Trump,
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynne_Patton
    So Trump basically appointed his children’s nanny to a multi billions spending agency.
    She’s evidently his other mouth.
    In May 2019, after using her government Twitter account to share a partisan tweet, Patton controversially remarked “I honestly don’t care” in regards to a potential violation of federal law under the Hatch Act.
    Then did it again.
    Lynne Patton‏Verified account @LynnePatton
    Replying to @BilldeBlasio @realDonaldTrump
    No, because he also attacked your LAME WHITE ASS for the exact same thing the above non-white politicians have done for THEIR districts, which is #NADA.

  97. Avatar turcopolier says:

    walrus
    It doesn’t seem that this is true. A mighty head of steam is building up over this.

  98. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    I agree. In death (?) as well as in life, Epstein appears to have the almost unique ability to engender bipartisan consensus that the affair must be investigated further, if only for the reason that both sides believe so doing will take the other side down. It also has the risk of going international – FT reports calls in France to investigate in respect of French victims. Ghislaine Maxwell would seem to be a dead woman walking and I’m sure she is not alone.
    https://www.ft.com/content/1dbd3d2e-bce9-11e9-b350-db00d509634e

  99. Avatar egl says:

    Bureau of Prisons ==> Department of Justice ==> Barr at the cabinet level.

  100. Could it all get more squalid, Colonel?
    By contrast to the worst, I recently stumbled across an example of the best that America can produce. I’ve seen the same type of matter of fact virtuosity with young men performing bluegrass or mid-Westerners playing around with farm machines for a specialist purpose and it’s always seemed to me a particularly American characteristic. Can do is still around.
    And how! If it’s not too off-topic, may I submit a video of Joshua Brown playing the Tchaikovsky in Augsburg? Cheers one up after contemplating our various political scenes.
    Starts at 30 minutes –
    https://www.thestrad.com/video/joshua-brown-performs-tchaikovsky-concerto-at-leopold-mozart-competition/9201.article
    Might go quite well with a dash of your Lagavulin.

  101. Avatar turcopolier says:

    egl
    Meaningless. Too far away in the levels of the chain of command. Do you think SECDEF knows what some sergeant is doing in Afghanistan?

  102. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    EO
    I stumbled across an example of the best that America can produce around 3 years ago or so and have never looked back since.

  103. Avatar notlurking says:

    Agreed…this can no worms cannot be sealed….

  104. Avatar The Beaver says:

    This is the reason as to why:
    In 2007, Epstein sought to protect his closest aides, including Maxwell, when he negotiated his non-prosecution agreement for himself and “potential co-conspirators.” The agreement ensured that none of the women who worked as his enablers would be criminally charged. The federal immunity was negotiated with former Miami federal prosecutor Alexander Acosta, who became President Trump’s Secretary of Labor. He recently resigned over the Epstein agreement.
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/meet-jeffrey-epsteins-gang-of-accused-slave-recruiters/

  105. Avatar TonyL says:

    Most likely Mossad whacked him to protect their own operations and did a favor to Donal Trump.

  106. Sounds good. But I expect he was the lucky one.

  107. Avatar JamesT says:

    That agreement says there will be no prosecution of Epstein “in this district” — meaning the Southern District of Florida:
    https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/09/us/jeffrey-epstein-nonprosecution-agreement/index.html
    So she could be prosecuted outside of Florida.

  108. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    PavewayIV
    I’ve looked at the EXIF & metadata* on the two NYP photos of ‘Epstein’ (link below) and it seems consistent. For example the second photo was taken at 07:24:08 and the first 12 seconds later at 07:24:20. Both on 08/10/2019.. and both by William Farrington who NYP credits on their website. There are no GPS coords (Canon EOS-1D X is the equipment used) but the location is given as NY. Software used to create the images is listed as “Adobe Photoshop (Windows)”, so I guess this is what Farrington uses on his laptop. I actually checked one of his NYP photos from 2015 and it said the same, same camera too. Of course you can fake all this.
    Anyone interested and in the downtown Manhattan area could quash the second-photo-was-taken-in-a-firehouse theory by checking the ER entrance to the hospital to see if the 2 locations are there and about 12 seconds apart.
    Intriguingly, someone on Giraldi’s Unz post on the demise of Epstein says the NYP article originally had 3 photos and one was removed soon after the article went up. It was a closeup of his head. I tried to find it by playing with the URL’s (2 existing photos end in 1.jpg and 2-1.jpg) to no avail. Perhaps a simple editorial decision to can it, but I’d be interested to see it anyhow.
    https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/photos-show-jeffrey-epstein-as-hes-wheeled-into-downtown-hospital/
    *EXIF & metadata is stripped if you access the images by clicking on them on a NYP news article by adding an “&strip=all” parameter in the GET request, but if you leave that off it gives you the lot 🙂

  109. Avatar oldman22 says:

    SO the guards were sleeping and falsified their records.
    NYTimes

  110. Avatar oldman22 says:

    from behind nyt paywall
    > The two correctional officers in the special housing unit where Epstein was held — 9 South — falsely recorded in a log that they had checked on the financier, who was facing sex trafficking charges, every 30 minutes, as was required, the officials said. Such false entries in an official log could constitute a federal crime.
    >
    > In fact, the guards had been asleep for some or all of the three hours, the officials said.
    > The guards discovered Epstein, 66, dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center at 6:30 a.m. Saturday, officials said. He had apparently hanged himself with a bedsheet, likely fastening the sheet to a top bunk and pitching himself forward, law enforcement and prison officials said.
    >
    > Two prison officials familiar with the incident said the two guards had not looked in on Epstein for about three hours before he was found.
    >
    > One of the guards was a former correctional officer who had taken a different position at the detention center that did not involve overseeing detainees. He had been pressed into service again as a guard because of a staff shortage and was working overtime, a law enforcement official and an employee at the jail said.
    >
    > The second officer, a woman who was assigned to that wing, had been ordered to work overtime because the jail was short staffed.

  111. Avatar Keith Harbaugh says:

    Rudy Giuliani definitely knows more than most about the MCC and its procedures.
    He finds what happened “incredible”.
    He gives an informative interview video at Fox News here:
    https://youtu.be/syFBg1gBCWA dated Tuesday, 2019-08-13
    His discussion of the Epstein death runs from the video beginning to about 3m15s.
    Among other statements, Giuliani says (2m15s)
    “I remember that facility [the MCC] as being one of the most secure facilities in America.”
    Giuliani points out the many points of failure it took for Epstein to die.

  112. Avatar oldman22 says:

    You are correct about Rudy.
    He clerked for the same federal judge that I clerked for, 4 years after me. That judge had been U S Atty for SDNY.
    When Rudy was drafted, the judge got Rudy deferred. Rudy worked for Reagan’s Justice Dept in 1981, his job included supervision of MCC among other duties. In 1983 he was appointed US Atty for SDNY. So he was in direct contact with MCC for many years.
    When Rudy was Mayor, I used to receive an invitation to an annual dinner at Gracie Mansion. Never went, never met the man.

  113. Avatar Fred says:

    Both asleep at the same time seems unlikely but even one would be indicative of bad supervision and a corrupt work force.

  114. Avatar Richard M Shanks says:

    mossad doesn’t broadcast

  115. Avatar Roger Wilco says:

    The lady doth protest too much methinks.

  116. Avatar John Minehan says:

    Much like “Prague?.”

  117. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    So it is officially suicide. It also appears to very obviously be murder. Fox News interviewed Forensic pathologist Cyril H. Wecht, M.D. and he said:

    “If they’re telling me that he was just kneeling down and he broke the hyoid bone and the cervical vertebrae, no way … I do not buy that. I’ve never seen that. I’ve never heard of that”

    From (now deleted) tweet:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190816205716/https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1162466624416337920
    Original Fox interview:
    https://video.foxnews.com/v/6073799783001/#sp=show-clips

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