Mornin’ Joe, the Clintons, Jeffrey Epstein and the fate of nations…


Try one or the other of these links and watch it all the way through.  This is a remarkable piece of television journalism in a corrupt age.  pl

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51 Responses to Mornin’ Joe, the Clintons, Jeffrey Epstein and the fate of nations…

  1. DC says:

    This story has been around for a couple of years — I think in 2013 the UK’s Daily Mail had an expose on Prince Andrew’s involvement with respect to Epsteinian trysts (which has never been confirmed, to my knowledge) as well as Bill Clinton’s flights on the venerable L_Express. Paradoxically (we, having booted the crown in the US) our press is much more deferential to power than the chattering professionals in England.

  2. Fred says:

    Mica’s body language says it all. Be prepared to find out that Donald Trump is not Gary Hart nor does he conduct himself like Monica Lewinsky’s married boyfriend. Apparently he actually hires and promoted women and they don’t all find him to be as offensive as the Borg says he is. On the Jeffrey Epstein link, why does Bill Clinton have anything to do with a sexual predator? or is that term only used to describe convicted sexual offenders who have neither money nor political connections?

  3. Castellio says:

    The filed document accusing Epstein of organizing the sexual services of minors for himself, Alan Dershowitz and others is here–
    The United States District Court, Southern District of Florida. The document itself is dated December 30, 2014
    I am aware of this story, but haven’t followed it.

  4. This could change the entire political landscape. HRC’s head will explode when forced to choose between standing by a truly hideous excuse for a husband and continuing on her quest for personal power. Trump could get sucked into this same maelstrom. He also has a lot of connections with Epstein. He was named in a sexual assault suit, along with Epstein, involving a thirteen year old girl in April. Trump once said this of Epstein, “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.” This is the kind of story that sells. I predict a feeding frenzy that stands a good chance of wiping out the front runners in both parties.

  5. wrxlly says:

    Seems Trump was no stranger to Epstein. This article is from 2003.
    “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
    Maybe this explains why Trump has not brought up the issue.

  6. Jack says:

    The Borg Queen plans to put Bill in charge of revitalizing the economy. This is rather interesting as the economy is a significant part of national policy. If I understand her correctly she is saying that she is less competent on financial matters and that we’re getting a twofer if we elect her.
    Are people prepared for the return of the joint tenure of the Clintons?

  7. Nana2007 says:

    Hmm, Trump was Roy Cohn’s boy for a decade. There are stories about Cohn that almost anticipate the stories about Greenberg. The chances these cans of worms see the light of day are nil unless Trump and Putin are somehow working together.

  8. rjj says:

    Who does Epstein work for?

  9. johnf says:

    What conversations were going on inside MSNBC which allowed that programme to go out?
    Perhaps they interviewed the woman to back up the NYT story and she spilled the beans? From then on it took on its own crazy logic? Were all MSNBC’s executives on holiday at once?
    I can understand the Borg backing Trump against Sanders, but Trump against Hillary?

  10. Jack says:

    TTG, Sir
    I can see how the tales of Epstein, his high placed pals among the elite engaging in pedophilia and then essentially getting away with a sweetheart deal with the DOJ does not get picked up more by our sensationalist media. Too many of our elites are engaged in these types of reprehensible behavior. And as is evidently clear there is the law as applied to the common folk and then the application of the law as it relates to our elites. That is why it’s gonna take more than just push back from some segments of the population to defeat the Borg. We’ll need another revolution. That’s not gonna happen anytime soon.

  11. Jack says:

    Epstein is a billionaire Wall St bankster.
    Wall St is bankrolling the Borg Queen and now Trump has hired a man from the Vampire Squid as chief of his campaign fund raising.

  12. Matthew says:

    TTG: I wasn’t joking in the earlier post. I do hope you write a novel or memoir. Choosing between being a Catholic missionary and a Green Beret would make a great read.

  13. turcopolier says:

    It was live on the air. This morning was much more restrained. pl

  14. Bill Herschel says:

    Must read. Absolute must read. I recommend the Wikipedia article about Cohn as background.
    Trump? For me, it’s all about foreign policy, and, surprise surprise, it is for the Times too. The Times is a propaganda mouthpiece for military adventure and world domination. The fact that the Times publishes hit pieces parading as news about Trump every hour, leads me to believe that they actually believe he would interfere with military adventure and world domination. That’s good enough for me. Pull the lever for Trump.
    In fact, I don’t think there is a better endorsement possible for Trump than the unremitting propaganda tsunami against him from the Times.
    Clinton was fellated by an intern in the Oval Office and then swore under oath that they didn’t have sex. The part of that which is the most abhorrent is that she was an intern. He took advantage of his position to screw around with the life of a young person for gratuitous sex. Absolutely morally abhorrent. But the Times is on board. See previous paragraph.

  15. wrxlly says:

    johnf “I can understand the Borg backing Trump against Sanders, but Trump against Hillary?”
    I find it rather curious that the Morning Joe panel did not mention any of the many well documented “social” ties between Trump and Epstein. It took me 5 min in Google to find good solid information about this and I was not looking for it specifically but for Epstein-Clinton links. The Epstein story is more potentially damning for Trump imo, because Hillary can always claim ignorance of Bill’s behaviour. In any case it seems Hillary is going to sink because of her own criminal behaviour. There are clear signs from within the Democrat establishment that they are already working on a Biden bid for the nomination at the convention once Hillary collapses. (Is Joe Biden Going to Jump Into Presidential Race Now?!)
    Maybe this explains why MSNBC would air something like this.
    The Sanders people should be all over this.

  16. rjj says:

    That’s not quite what I meant.

  17. no one says:

    The obvious pain and sense of defeat exuded by the Trump hating feminist reporter (woman in blue) is simply delicious. Her agony well exceeds the wailing and gnashing of teeth from all of her male colleagues. Well worth the watch for that alone.

  18. Fred says:

    A multi-page story with one throw away line from Trump and many, many references to Clinton being on the predator’s plane? Trump should bring it up again and again. Every voter in America just loves money managers who make most of their wealth off currency trading and financial “management” for people with a paltry $1 billion in assets.

  19. Tyler says:

    The girl never appeared on the list of named victims and AFAIK has no lawyer supporting her. I don’t think Emperor Trump (PBUH) has anything to worry about.
    FWIW those links are basically HuffPo level of hysteria.

  20. The Beaver says:

    Joe Scarborough pretended that he doesn’t know about Epstein back in January also:
    So it makes one wonders!

  21. James Loughton says:

    22 trips on the Lolita Express and Bill Clinton didn’t partake of the candy?
    No way.

  22. turcopolier says:

    Scarborough plays an interesting “Senator Foghorn Leghorn” caricature character on that show in the AM. It is “arch” and filled with sarcasm and irony. Do not be deceived. pl

  23. LondonBob says:

    His close associate is Robert Maxwell’s daughter Ghisliane Maxwell. Now that is something to get the old conspiracy theories started once you throw in Robert Maxwell. A lot of prime blackmail material could have been collected.
    The historian Paul Johnson said the two most evil people he had the misfortune to meet were Robert Maxwell and Pablo Picasso.

  24. steve says:

    She’ll just stick to her forte, foreign policy aka regime change, and leave the rest to Bubba.

  25. steve says:

    I saw the MSNBC segment live. I was truly astonished watching the panel actually going outside the narrow parameters of status-quo journalism.

  26. steve says:

    That was too funny when he claimed ignorance because, to paraphrase, “I’m not normally in the New York insider crowd.”

  27. The Beaver says:

    @ LondonBob
    You mean his “madam” according to one of the teenagers asked to offer massages!
    BTW: Ghislaine was also a former lover of Epstein and was a guest at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding.

  28. turcopolier says:

    IMO that statement can be ascribed to irony. Joe has long since lapsed into the category of faux Bubba. pl

  29. Fred says:

    You mean more stories like the one I commented on above? Yeah, go MSM go.

  30. turcopolier says:

    My perhaps defective memory of the 90s is that Gingrich had more to do with the prosperity of the age than Bubba. pl

  31. Jack says:

    Yes indeed! While the Borg Queen takes it to the “thug” Putin, Bubba will blow Wall St for Round 2.

  32. rg says:

    We don’t know that Epstein is actually a billionaire, nor do we know that about Trump.

  33. Dennis Thatcher should be a role model for WJC. Be seen and never heard.

  34. robt willmann says:

    Little by little, the general public is realizing that the “rule of law” applies to them but not to most persons and companies that are politically connected, or very wealthy, or both. That small group acts with impunity.
    The Jeffrey Epstein criminal case in Florida is a disgusting example of it. The local Palm Beach Police Department made a criminal case against him. The affidavit to support an arrest warrant in the case is here (you have to click on a button on the right side of the page to advance through all 22 pages)–
    I think I read before, but I cannot find the citation, that at first the Palm Beach district attorney was going to let Epstein plead only to a misdemeanor, or have someone in the group that facilitated the sexual abuse of and contact with the underage girls plead to a charge and Epstein would be convicted of nothing. Whatever the situation became, the Palm Beach Police Department went ballistic. They may have been the ones to inform the U.S. Attorney’s Office or FBI about the case.
    But then the Palm Beach PD got ripped off even worse, because as finally was revealed in the federal lawsuit filed in 2008 under the Crime Victims’ Rights law, not only did the U.S. Attorney’s Office in that district (probably along with the Justice Department) not charge Epstein with a federal crime, they entered into a secret non-prosecution agreement to not prosecute him for federal crimes at all, and, on top of that, to not prosecute any of the people that helped him sexually molest and have sexual contact with the underage girls, and anyone who conspired with him to do so, and any of the lawyers who represented him!
    Epstein then pleads to one State criminal charge, and only has to sleep at the local jail for eight hours at night, and then could leave each day to go to his mansion for the other 16 hours of the day, for his “sentence”.
    A Florida lawyer, Bradley Edwards, and former federal judge and now University of Utah law professor Paul Cassell, filed a lawsuit against the U.S. to try to reveal and re-open up the non-prosecution agreement, using Title 18, U.S. Code 3771–
    Then, in late 2014, the thing surfaced nationally when Edwards and Cassell filed a paper in their lawsuit asking that two more girls be added as parties who were Epstein’s victims, one of whom, Virginia Roberts Guiffre, claimed that she had sexual sessions with law professor Alan Dershowitz and Prince Andrew. Dershowitz then got on television and said he was going to get Edwards and Cassell disbarred, blah blah blah. So Edwards and Cassell sued Dershowitz in state court in Florida for defamation. Dershowitz of course filed a counterclaim against them for defamation.
    Even Ann Coulter, usually absorbed in her “conservative vs. liberal” business model, but also a lawyer, mentioned the outrageous situation in one of her occasional television appearances–
    Meanwhile, the federal judge in the victims’ rights lawsuit, most likely wanting to prevent a lot of extra hearings over adding the two girls as plaintiffs, denied the request to add them to the lawsuit, saying that their claims duplicated the girls already in case, but the two could be witnesses.
    The defamation / libel / slander case between the lawyers rocked along last year with discovery and depositions, and then in the fall, Edwards and Cassell filed a paper asking for “partial summary judgment”, which is a way to try to win on one or more claims or issues, or some elements of them, without a trial. It is done all on paper, with attached affidavits, documents, excerpts of depositions, etc.–
    Then, last month, the defamation lawsuit was settled–
    As part of the settlement, Edwards and Cassell filed a motion to withdraw their request for a partial summary judgment against Dershowitz–
    As the motion says, “As expressly understood by the parties upon the execution of the Confidential Settlement Agreement and Mutual Release, Ms. Giuffre reaffirms her allegations, and the withdrawal of the referenced filings is not intended to be, and should not be construed as being, an acknowledgement by Edwards and Cassell that the allegations made by Ms. Giuffre were mistaken.”
    There was a confidentiality provision in the settlement agreement that the terms would not be revealed by the parties. But rumors are floating around that Dershowitz, or his insurance carrier, may have paid Edwards and Cassell to settle and end their lawsuit against him. Edwards and Cassell say through their lawyer that they will be glad to waive the settlement’s confidentiality provision, but Dershowitz says he is “sticking with the agreement”–
    In the mix also is none other than New York City lawyer David Boies, who was involved in representing Al Gore in the 2000 presidential election mess in Florida. Boies represents Virginia Roberts Guiffre in a defamation lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell who accused Virginia of lying when she said that Ghislaine was involved in recruiting her to be a sex plaything.
    Ghislaine was said to have been part of Epstein’s circle. Furthermore, she is also the daughter of businessman Robert Maxwell, an informant for the Israeli government and probably others, who was likely murdered in 1991 and found in the water near his yacht which was named after her.
    The Epstein matter should be front and center in this presidential campaign, including regarding Hillary. After all, Ghislaine Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton’s wedding–
    Notice that the effort to keep the non-prosecution agreement secret and in place by the executive branch and Justice Department went on during the Bush jr. and Obama administrations, and is still going on.

  35. Seamus says:

    This is the funniest cable by far that I’ve managed to find from the WikiLeaks Cablegate archive. It’s of Prince Andrew drunkenly droning on about how great the Brits are. Read and enjoy:
    And here he is with Epstein and his girls/slaves

  36. Seamus says:

    The best summary of the case I’ve yet heard. Thank you so much.

  37. different clue says:

    If the Democratic Party Conventioneers decide to bolt the severed head of Joe Biden onto Hillary Clinton’s headless body and run THAT for President, do they really think I will vote for that?
    ” Behold! our new candidate . . . Hillabody FrankenBiden!”

  38. Fred says:

    The Establishment are firm believers in separate but equal justice.

  39. Tyler says:

    His post is grasping at straws so hard he’s making hay bales.

  40. jv says:

    Can this story be used to promote a third candidate? Just sayin.

  41. Castellio says:

    Thank you for the overview.

  42. Tyler says:

    Yeah, Bernie should run 3rd Party, with O’Malley (?) getting 5K votes (!?) in the Kentucky primary, clinching it for Hillary.

  43. steve says:

    Morning Joe was at it again this morning, dissing Reid, Wasserman, and the DNC over their reaction to the NV convention, and praising Sanders speech in California last night.
    Contrarianism is on a roll.

  44. rjj says:

    an off topic contribution to this Slough of Despond [things you read that make you think ooooooooohhh meeeerde !!] thread
    The myopically Well Intentioned are Doing Good in Canada.

  45. Jack says:

    Morning Joe was right that Trump will go where other establishment candidates wont.
    At the very least it will be an entertaining campaign that could rival a Jerry Springer show.

  46. optimax says:

    The NYT hit piece on Trump has backfired. Three of the women prominently featured have said the article misrepresented what they said and Trump isn’t shying away from mentioning Bill’s much more egregious sexual exploits.
    Camille Paglia on the hit piece.

  47. rjj says:

    wonder if the NYT piece was provocation — designed to move things onto the low road.

  48. optimax says:

    Trump owns the low road but at least he doesn’t have someone else driving on it like Hillary does. I can see Obama not giving Trump the keys to the WH if he wins, declaring a National Emergency because Trump “isn’t qualified,” the newest meme. He didn’t go to Yale or Harvard.

  49. rjj says:

    Election campaign as Winkie Wars would keep the money flowing and awkward past/future policy questions to a minimum. We the electorate, instead of saying “cut the crap” would say “pass the popcorn” and consume the spectacle.

  50. Fred says:

    I think you are right. Here’s another sign of the “Winkie Wars” coupled with the standard anti-Southern bias:
    It’s going to be a long summer.

  51. optimax says:

    Young girls have to get over their discomfort of seeing male genitalia in the locker room. We are all amoeba now. 9/11 did change everything.

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