“Man dead after attacking immigration detention facility in Washington state …” Reuters


"A man armed with a rifle attacked an immigration detention facility in Washington state early on Saturday, throwing incendiary devices at the building and cars in theInnsley parking lot before dying after police opened fire, authorities said.

An employee at the Northwest Detention Center in Tacoma reported one vehicle on fire and said the suspect was also attempting to ignite a large propane tank outside the facility, the Tacoma Police Department said in a statement.

When four officers arrived at about 4 a.m., shots were fired and the suspect was later determined to be deceased at the scene.

"Officers noted that in addition to the weapon, he was wearing a satchel and had flares on his person," the statement said, adding that no officers were injured.

"This morning's attack at the ICE detention center in Tacoma was a horrific act of violence that has shaken us all," Washington Governor and 2020 Democratic presidential hopeful Jay Inslee wrote on Twitter."  Reuters


Governor Inslee of Washington State says he is "shocked and shaken" over this first instance of  violence directed at a federal law enforcement facility (DHS/IC).  IMO this is only the first instance of violent resistance to federal authority inspired by the utterances of people like Governor Inslee who has stated that if he is elected president he will ask Megan Rapinoe to be Secretary of State.  Perhaps she would then be willing to visit the "fucking" White House.  A suitable replacement for Hillary Clinton as SECSTATE?

Yesterday a disloyal mob tore down the US flag at another DHS facility in Colorado and raised the Mexican national flag in its stead.

A price will eventually be paid.  pl



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48 Responses to “Man dead after attacking immigration detention facility in Washington state …” Reuters

  1. rho says:

    “Governor Inslee who has stated that if he is elected president he will ask Megan Rapinoe to be Secretary of State”
    And Roman Emperor Caligula wanted to make his favourite horse a Senator. At least the horse was friendly and likable.

  2. John Minehan says:

    was the attack by those who wanted to liberate the detainees or by those who want to eliminate them?
    both groups are active in the Pacific Northwest and ghave been since the days of the Brüder Schweigen.
    first reports are often wrong and nether side has much to recommend them.

  3. Valissa says:

    Here is a video from Tim Pool on the story. Don’t let the beanie fool you, this is one very sharp young man. Politically he is center left/moderate though he was more radically left when younger. He has many conservative and libertarian subscribers (who often disagree with his politics) because he is a fair journalist and commentator who is criticizing the out of control portion of the far left. He and the founder of Minds.com (part of the new alternative social media), Bill Ottman, whom he is working with very closely building up his own news service called “Subverse”, both attended Trump’s recent social media summit. BTW, it is a lie that this was a far right summit. More on Tim here https://www.timcast.com/about
    Tim has been following the antifa story for a long time and is very knowledgeable about the power dynamics. I am currently spending a lot of time on YouTube learning about the culture wars and Tim has been a very useful source.
    Armed Antifa Fire Bombs ICE Facility, Is Shot And Killed By Police https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNQR6kAHSdI (23 min)

  4. John Minehan says:

    “Yesterday a disloyal mob tore down the US flag at another DHS facility in Colorado and raised the Mexican national flag in its stead.”
    There are two sides to this: 1) people who actually feel resentment towards the USG for the detention of asylum-seekers (who mostly are not really eligible); and 2) people who want to cause trouble.
    Tough to say who is behind this but none of it is a good sign,

  5. annamissed says:

    I live on Vashon Island, didn’t personally know this guy (seen him around town), but judging from local social media, he may have been angling for a suicide by cop – while making a political statement. Vashon has a population of around 10k about which 80%+ are Dem liberal, many many gentrified SJW types, where virtue signaling is a sanctified competitive sport. Like many of these lone wolf types from the right, Van Spronsen was probably looking for a personal way out that might amplify a commitment to ideology, however misguided.
    Also, the police response on the island was quite massive with literal convoys of unmarked black SUV’s, helicopters, and police boats all over the little island.

  6. turcopolier says:

    John Minehan
    Such actions are treasonous and should be treated as such. This is clearly insurrection. their motivations are irrelevant.

  7. annamissed says:

    Having lived here for 30 years, I’ve never seen or heard of any leftist connections here to Antifa. If anything Van Spronsen may have had a sympathetic social media connection to them. I don’t know, but will likely come out subsequently. I will however underline the “gentrified” liberal nature of the political climate on the island, usually a dozen or so people with signs and candles at the 4 way stop in town.

  8. John Minehan says:

    Motivations and acts make crimes. the nature of the motivation helps define what kind of crime.
    People doing this as an ironic prank are a different kind of threat than people doing it because they honestly don’t think they can get justice under the ambit of the USG and are trying to change the political dispensation.

  9. John Minehan says:

    “Also, the police response on the island was quite massive with literal convoys of unmarked black SUV’s, helicopters, and police boats all over the little island.”
    “Yeah, I’m sure that will help.
    Still, a lot less able bunch than some of the violent types on the Right, who have been in violent situations and have been preparing for this since the 1980s.

  10. turcopolier says:

    John Minehan
    No. An attack on a federal installation is an act of rebellion. It is not a “prank.”

  11. turcopolier says:

    Jon Minehan
    You obviously want to attribute this tot the right without any evidence at all. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jul/14/man-dies-as-police-shootout-follows-firebomb-attack-on-immigration-centre
    Are you also an anarchist from antifa?

  12. Terry says:

    The mob or the oligarchy, choices haven’t changed much since Roman times it seems.
    The constitution, our government, institutions, and legal process are still our best hope. and I’d love to see both of the above with reduced influence and government restored to its founding purpose.
    “we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” – Gettysburg Address by Abraham Lincoln
    We need to require Civics classes K-High school as a strong component of education.
    “Liberty, as Augustus and his supporters saw it, meant the freedom from domestic unrest and foreign interference that came only with the security and political stability that Augustus provided. Augustus’s liberty meant that Roman property rights remained valid. It opened economic opportunities to new segments of the Roman population. And it took control of the city and its empire away from an increasingly corrupt senatorial elite whose mismanagement had led to civil war. In the 20s BC, many Romans agreed with Augustus that liberty could not exist if insecurity persisted. They came to believe that freedom from oppression could only exist in a polity controlled by one man.
    This book explains why Rome, still one of the longest-lived republics in world history, traded the liberty of political autonomy for the security of autocracy. It is written at a moment when modern readers need to be particularly aware of both the nature of republics and the consequences of their failure. We live in a time of political crisis, when the structures of republics as diverse as the United States, Venezuela, France, and Turkey are threatened. Many of these republics are the constitutional descendants of Rome and, as such, they have inherited both the tremendous structural strengths that allowed the Roman Republic to thrive for so long and some of the same structural weaknesses that led eventually to its demise.
    This is particularly true of the United States, a nation whose basic constitutional structure was deliberately patterned on the idealized view of the Roman Republic presented by the second-century BC author Polybius. This conscious borrowing from Rome’s model makes it vital for all of us to understand how Rome’s republic worked, what it achieved, and why, after nearly five centuries, its citizens ultimately turned away from it and toward the autocracy of Augustus.
    No republic is eternal. It lives only as long as its citizens want it. And, in both the twenty-first century AD and the first century BC, when a republic fails to work as intended, its citizens are capable of choosing the stability of autocratic rule over the chaos of a broken republic. When freedom leads to disorder and autocracy promises a functional and responsive government, even citizens of an established republic can become willing to set aside long-standing, principled objections to the rule of one man and embrace its practical benefits. Rome offers a lesson about how citizens and leaders of a republic might avoid forcing their fellow citizens to make such a tortured choice.
    Rome shows that the basic, most important function of a republic is to create a political space that is governed by laws, fosters compromise, shares governing responsibility among a group of representatives, and rewards good stewardship. Politics in such a republic should not be a zero-sum game. The politician who wins a political struggle may be honored, but one who loses should not be punished. The Roman Republic did not encourage its leaders to seek complete and total political victory. It was not designed to force one side to accept everything the other wanted. Instead, it offered tools that, like the American filibuster, served to keep the process of political negotiation going until a mutually agreeable compromise was found. This process worked very well in Rome for centuries, but it worked only because most Roman politicians accepted the laws and norms of the Republic. They committed to working out their disputes in the political arena that the republic established rather than through violence in the streets. Republican Rome succeeded in this more than perhaps any other state before or since.
    If the early and middle centuries of Rome’s republic show how effective this system could be, the last century of the Roman Republic reveals the tremendous dangers that result when political leaders cynically misuse these consensus- building mechanisms to obstruct a republic’s functions. Like politicians in modern republics, Romans could use vetoes to block votes on laws, they could claim the presence of unfavorable religious conditions to annul votes they disliked, and they could deploy other parliamentary tools to slow down or shut down the political process if it seemed to be moving too quickly toward an outcome they disliked. When used as intended, these tools helped promote negotiations and political compromises by preventing majorities from imposing solutions on minorities. But, in Rome as in our world, politicians could also employ such devices to prevent the Republic from doing what its citizens needed. The widespread misuse of these tools offered the first signs of sickness in Rome’s republic.”
    How long before Americans start to demand a tyrant to stop civil unrest and foreign influence?
    Almost seems as if the media has a playbook to lead in this direction.

  13. John Minehan says:

    No, just someone who has seen first reports be wrong a time . . . or ten.
    It appears it is someone from the Left. It also may not be someone who is part of no group at all.
    But, let’s see. So far, not a pattern.
    I see an issue with both Antifa and the Far Right. Spartacists AND Freikorps created issues after the Kaiser fell . . . this is generally NOT a good sign . . . .

  14. Fred says:

    Can’t possibly be Antifa activist, that would violate the narrative. Kind of like James Hodgkinson, the man who attempted to assasinate James Scalise and a couple dozen other Republicans. It’s not like the leftist street force has been enable/coddled by politicians on the West Coast for a number of years now.

  15. rho says:

    sounds to me like the “resentful” people who formed the mob are Mexican nationalists who don’t think that the law applies to them.

  16. turcopolier says:

    John Minehan
    I judge that you are some kind of lefty troll, and an ignorant one as well. The thing about the “s-2 section” was hilarious.

  17. turcopolier says:

    The Gettyburg address thing is a crock. The South did not threaten government of, by and for the people in any way. “All we ask is to be left alone.”

  18. John Minehan says:

    “The thing about the “s-2 section” was hilarious.”
    Yeah, only one of the two I had at the BDE Level was in combat . . . .

  19. Fred says:

    The RW extremests are all over the left wing twitterverse but don’t seem to have actually done much in the way of actual violence. Unlike the gangs that have infiltrated the LAPD.

  20. Eric Newhill says:

    John Brown’s body lies a moldering I the grave….
    I think after Trump wins re-election, and these insurrectionists escalate to new heights of folly, the social justice democrats (including Bernie) and their media apparatus are going to have to be designated a terrorist organization.
    Trump will be free to deport as many of their illegal allies as he wishes to- and he should.
    It might be full on madness.

  21. Eric Newhill says:

    These days, a center left/moderate is about the equivalent of Fidel Castro.

  22. Porkupine says:

    Reports I’ve read have confirmed ANTIFA poetaster “has been identified as Willem Van Spronsen, a man with a record of attacking police during a protest at the facility a year ago. Antifa activists are claiming the attacker as one of their own.”

  23. Porkupine says:

    “has been identified as Willem Van Spronsen, a man with a record of attacking police during a protest at the facility a year ago. Antifa activists are claiming the attacker as one of their own.”

  24. Porkupine says:

    ANY leftist who is “down” can join antifa.
    It is VERY popular, even if hardcore membership is sparser.
    The name ANTIFA is somewhat new—a euro import—but it’s the same as the old ‘black block’, and I’m sure has overlap with ELF, ALF, etc.
    All ‘gentrified’ groups, as most/all ‘anarchist’ groups are, IMO.
    This ain’t 30s Spain—but they claim that descent.

  25. Porkupine says:

    He got what he wanted—
    And pretty sure the cops are not traumatized by this one.

  26. Porkupine says:

    You either know nothing about Antifite losers,
    Or you are one 😉
    Which of those three groups you mention has disrupted the political process in the US in last 4 years, while receiving zero real media interest?

  27. Porkupine says:

    Tim Pool is excellent.
    Although left-center (once further left, as you say)
    his demonstrated belief in civil society trumps all that.
    A great street reporter.
    He’s not a fan of political street violence.
    Kind of refreshing.
    Good dude.
    Beanie means nothing. Beanies are warm.
    Think of beanies as potential Phrygian caps.

  28. VietnamVet says:

    With each tribe talking past each other, a civil war is inevitable. Like France, it will start with a carbon tax on fossil fuel or with all the flooding here; food shortages. The United Kingdom is about to jump off the cliff. The USA has been an Empire since the Mexican War when Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah and California were annexed. The first Civil War was between two antagonistic capitalistic systems. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” The second will be incited because the western middle class is being destroyed. Life Expectancy in the UK and USA is declining. National and Global Oligarchs are competing to control the spoils. They are pitting ethnic groups against each other in order to come out on top. Not unlike the Middle East where Holy Wars are a thousand-year tradition. The only chance left is for the western middle class to join together, end the wars, jail the oligarchs, and restore democracy, fraternity and equality. Family supporting jobs are needed for the able bodied plus a purpose in life for everyone.

  29. Mark Logan says:

    Local paper has a write up including comments from some of his friends. Seems the guy was involved in a protest at the ICE facility the day before, got into a fight with the cops there the previous day. He has anti-fascist leanings. Report says he went home, wrote goodbye letters to his friends and family, and then went back to commit suicide by cop.

  30. optimax says:

    A left-over protester from earlier in the day was interviewed on the new. About the attack she said, “Those detention centers are dangerous places.” The 69 year old antifa fella wasn’t responsible for his actions. It’s the detention centers fault. It wouldn’t have happened if the center hadn’t existed. How do you reason with people like her? We have a large antifa contingent and have never seen one as old as 69. He must felt he needed to do something spectacular to be noticed, to be admired by all the young punks he associated with.
    This headline calls Remembrance Project controversial. It’s a group who have a family killed by an illegal. Their goal is to warn Americans about the dangers of open borders. I guess they are controversial because illegals don’t kill enough innocent citizens to qualify as a problem.

  31. GeneO says:

    His goodbye letter rips both Trump AND Soros. Something not right in the head maybe?
    Born in Holland. What year did he emigrate?

  32. Eric Newhill says:

    Here’s the radical’s statement claiming Von Spronsen was one of theirs and explain how wonderful he was, further call to action, etc.
    It’s chock full of wisdom like, “Laws are just constructs. They have no value in and of themselves. They often serve to legitimize injustice that people would otherwise take action to oppose.”
    “The disparity in rights between the documented and undocumented is a construct—just as the disparity in value that the Nazis constructed between Jewish people and gentiles was a construct. Both are mere inventions; they have no intrinsic existence except as a means for a powerful group to justify violence against a less powerful group”

  33. Croesus says:

    I disagree with “Pool is excellent,” my disagreement based solely on Pool’s reliance on hyperbolized, dishonest, but state-enforced narratives of WWII.

  34. “It is rather for us, the living, we here be dedicated to the great task remaining before us that, from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they here, gave the last full measure of devotion that we here highly resolve these dead shall not have died in vain; that the nation, shall have a new birth of freedom, and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.” (LoC)
    Could be written for our present circumstances, the last clause particularly. Just can’t see how it relates to the circumstances in which the address was delivered. However one looks at it government of the people, by the people, for the people had just perished from the earth over a large swathe of the USA.
    Mencken – “But let us not forget that it is poetry, not logic; beauty, not sense. Think of the argument in it. Put it into the cold words of everyday. The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination—”that government of the people, by the people, for the people,” should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in that battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves. What was the practical effect of the battle of Gettysburg? What else than the destruction of the old sovereignty of the States, i.e., of the people of the States? The Confederates went into battle free; they came out with their freedom subject to the supervision and veto of the rest of the country—and for nearly twenty years that veto was so effective that they enjoyed scarcely more liberty, in the political sense, than so many convicts in the penitentiary.”
    Then Mencken comes up with a justification, or is it merely an observation, that does not impress –
    “Am I the first American to note the fundamental nonsensicality of the Gettysburg address? If so, I plead my aesthetic joy in it in amelioration of the sacrilege,”
    So much for Mencken. But at least he gets it.

  35. turcopolier says:

    English Outsider
    Yes. The Gettysburg Address is beautiful nonsense designed to justify Lincoln’s resolve to advance the cause of centralized nationalism in the US.

  36. Barbara Ann says:

    Good old fashioned anarchists.

  37. Fred says:

    Augustus was concerned about ‘liberty’? That’s ludicrous. He was concerned with power and knew quite well that the Roman Republic had been dead for some time.
    “How long before Americans start to demand a tyrant to stop civil unrest and foreign influence?”
    We had that under Obama. All it took was having a beer with a cop and professor in Massachusetts; an “Another way of saying that is Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago. “; an international apology tour followed by a regime change agenda overseas; a use of the IRS to hinder political opponents from creating tax exempt groups; and lest we forget, the use of federal police and intelegence agencies to spy on political opponents in the 2016 election.
    I wonder what Organizing For Antifa OFA is doing now that they aren’t working to help him get re-elected?

  38. Fred says:

    The detention centers are reminders that Mexico, El Salvador and Guatamala are NOT failed states needing regime change, such things are only for Ukraine, Syria and Iran.

  39. Barbara Ann says:

    Kudos for quoting Mencken EO. He would have recognized the GND (2 posts back) for exactly what it is too:
    “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.”
    Like Thoreau, Mencken recognized the truism that all governments tend toward autocracy. The Left either do not know this or do not care. Their notion of freedom is of something a benign government bestows upon the governed, whereas the exact opposite is the truth and always will be.

  40. Porkupine says:

    He’s not covering WWII.

  41. PRC90 says:

    Vietnam Vet, I suspect so. Only force is left as a means of redress of the vertical wealth and power transfer that we have seen since the mid twentieth century, because those now running the show will not give up voluntarily.
    The question is – what then ?
    The end state of redress by force needs to be and must be another American Century; ie., this century and the one after it, and there is no other option. Without that, we’ll find ourselves in a new Dark Age without any militarily capable exemplars of democracy because there are certainly no other contenders besides the US.

  42. optimax says:

    If I raised a Swiss flag above the capitol in Salem, I would be called a white supremacist by the msm. BLM and antifactuals would protest in front of my house.

  43. Fred says:

    “Only force is left as a means of redress of the vertical wealth and power transfer that we have seen since the mid twentieth century, …”
    That sure explains why the richest man in the history of Mexico is now a part owner of the NY Times. Now if we could only convince the “freedom fighters” at the border that the good fight is in Mexico, Guatamala, El Salvador we would have a “redress of the vertical wealth and power transfer”. BTW Isn’t that what Che’ and company were calling for? How’d that work out in Cuba, El Salvador, etc? Perhaps Abimael Guzmán in Peru was on a different ‘path’ than the one to address vertical wealth and power transfer?

  44. Fred says:

    But if you ran an NGO to protest such things you would be welcome in Geneva.

  45. Mightypeon says:

    Ironically, Antifa in Germany (where it kind of came from) was fighting actual NeoNazis and Far right skinheads in the 90s.
    They obviously had a quite adversarial relationship with the police (not entirely unjustified, given that German police was kind of sight imparied on the right eye, unsurprsing given that law enforcement tends on be on the conservative side of the political spectrum) but well, these people were pretty hardcore “crimson” rather then “pink” leftists. What is also quite striking is that the antifa of old werent attention seekers as this just brought down law enforcement on them. “Trash is to be disposed quietly”.
    The targets of todays “Antifa” are only “fascists” in the orwellian meaning of the term, essentially “everyone I strongly dislike”.
    American antifa seems to be completely lockstep with the Globalist and the SJW agenda, German antifa has quite a bit of a problem with several parts of the narrative (evil Russia and totally not Nazi Maidan for example).

  46. Mightypeon says:

    Treasonous I dont think so? Rebellious and/or seditious? Certainly.
    I did serve in the German army and have vowed to quote “valiantly defend the rights and the freedoms of the German people”. If I were to take down a German flag on German government property and replace it with an IS flag, I would clearly be a traitor given that I vowed loyalty and given that the IS has clearly declared itself an enemy of Germany.
    However, it is not clear to me that the flag hissers ever vowed allegiance to the USA, nor is Mexico a stated enemy of the USA.
    This may be a linguistic difference, I am german and “Verrat”, which is treason in German, has a connotation of being deceitfull. Openly hissing a flag is not deceitfull, merely rebellious.
    One may pardon a rebell or a seperatist (these are essentially still just enemies, rather then traitors), but a traitor gets the axe (if he is lucky).

  47. John Minehan says:

    Lincoln is a key figure in the early history of the GOP, the first President they elected.
    However, Lincoln, himself, was at heart a Whig, a follower of Henry Clay and his “American System.”
    The modern GOP really became more the party of smaller, less intrusive government AFTER the frustrations and setbacks of “Radical Reconstruction” and the potential for massive civil disruption coming out of the aftermath of the Hayes v. Tilden election in 1876.
    Lincoln was assassinated more than a decade before these events. It is difficult to estimate how these events would have shaped his attitude in his Second Term or as a Republican elder statesman after leaving office. Possibly, Lincoln might have made Reconstruction work more effectively, using his credibility as a President that pressed to fight and ultimately won the war.
    The Gettysburgh Address had one somewhat substantive effect; it popularized the concept that the Declaration of Independence is like a Certificate in corporate law, stating the intent of the effort, where the Constitution is like corporate by-laws, setting forth how the organization operates.

  48. PRC90 says:

    Fred, well I’m not about to go out and seize the means of production anytime soon.
    The problem is the middle and working class now have less disposable income as evidenced in the rich/less rich gap that we are seeing develop in the West. Money is meant to travel in a circular not vertical fashion, and be recycled and expanded within the Keynesian consumption and investment multipliers which have both positive economic and social outcomes.
    The pump has a leak. At some point, unless redressed, those losing out in this process will follow numerous historical examples and take action as Vietnam Vet described.

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