” … MSNBC host suggested electors abandon POTUS-elect.” Foxnews

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"MSNBC host Chris Hayes has been one of the most vocal critics of President Trump, accusing him in recent weeks of undermining democracy by not conceding the 2020 presidential election, but resurfaced comments he made back in 2016 suggested he also did not respect the country's electoral process.

Back in December 2016, following Trump's Electoral College victory against Hillary Clinton, Hayes offered a "fun fact" that suggests that the 306 electors that handed the president-elect the White House didn't actually have to abide by their own state's ballot outcome. 

"Fun fact: states decide how to apportion their electors. They could give them all to, say, whichever candidate won majority of counties!" Hayes tweeted. "

"After seeing that his 2016 tweet was being circulated, Hayes responded to his critics, saying, "Wait this is still true! That's the whole problem."

"Anyway nothing was [being] *floated* here since the point is that if electors were to go to the winner of the majority of all counties would probably just give it to the Republican in every state. My point was that people should be able to vote for president," Hayes clarified on Wednesday. "  foxnews


IMO the courts will not have guts enough to face up to the fraud upon the country that has been committed by a vast left wing conspiracy.  They will fuss and do nothing, and the usurper Biden will take office, soon to be replaced by the cabal of careerist politicians, media opportunists and revolutionaries who created him.

So, I am spinning my wheels until the situation in the senate resolves itself.  I am not too sanguine about the run-offs.  After all, if the Dems could rig this once, why not again.

Hayes is a cog in the MSNBC machine.  He is an unscrupulous wretch.  Why expect more of him? 


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42 Responses to ” … MSNBC host suggested electors abandon POTUS-elect.” Foxnews

  1. Fred says:

    They certainly tried to rigged this? Which others did they rig in the past, like in 2018 which gave them the “Russia Collusion” sweep into control of the House? They’ll certainly do this again and ensure control of all branches of government. They’ll have two years of executive office control to investigate – and manufacture evidence – to get rid of any upstarts that don’t toe the line. Not to mention 10-20 million new DACA citizens and open borders inflow of democrats dependent upon government largess. They’ll vote for the people who pay them.

  2. English Outsider says:

    There were so many opportunities for fraud it’s now difficult to believe some weren’t taken. Is it true that the identifying inner envelopes were thrown away in Georgia? If so that makes recounts a waste of time.
    Some material that came up via the Saker site –
    I think this might be the footnote referred to –
    Couldn’t be a worse outcome than the outcome of this election. If Trump looks like getting anywhere then a lot of stores will go up in flames if Antifa et al have any say in the matter. If Trump doesn’t then all will know it was an improperly conducted election and many will believe it was rigged.
    As in the UK, our masters are rapidly running out of credibility.

  3. A. Pols says:

    The ghost of Juan Peron..

  4. Diana L Croissant says:

    I am also convinced that the political system in our country has broken our once great country. Thanks to our broken public education system (from the influence of the NEA), the socialists have taken over.
    I am most saddened by the fact that my grandchildren will not be growing up in the same country in which I grew up. I saw it coming several decades ago. The generation that will soon be running the country will run it into eventual chaos. Soon our immigration system will no longer be an issue. Our emigration system will be overrun by hoards of people fleeing to Canada or Australia or other more sane parts of the world. And I do know the countries I mentioned also have problems. The world itself is in chaos.

  5. J says:

    Sadly I have to agree, the courts and judges have abandoned justice and the rule of law, and have become ball-less and spine-less muffins.

  6. TV says:

    You’re right about the judiciary.
    It’s as corrupt as the rest of government (local, state and Fed)

  7. Deap says:

    To what degree do we have a constitutional right to fair and honest elections? What must a majority of constitutional originalists consider when answering this question.
    Is our mandate to have kind of of fair and honest, or 100% fair and honest elections. One illegal vote any where in the process breaches our fundamental contract to be guaranteed 100% fair and honest elections.
    One illegal vote has one of two impacts. Either the illegal vote disenfranchises a legal vote. Or, the illegal vote amplifies the power of a legal vote for double benefit. Neither can be tolerated when the mandate is providing 100% fair and honest elections.
    How do we remedy this fundamental breach of election integrity? Not every wrong has a remedy.
    I contend we start with the 100% fair and honest model as the primary goal, unless a compelling argument can be made that one person one vote is only a guideline, and not a constitutional mandate. And that only kind of fair and honest elections is good enough under our constitutional mandate of governance..
    Where does one set the needle on the sliding scale, if one abandons 100% fair and honest elections. 95% honest – 55% honest – 50%+1 honest
    Dual sovereignty grants states the right to develop fair and honest election procedures.
    Voters in each state have the primary duty to ensure their state meets the fundamental standard of one person, one vote, and 100% fair and honest elections. Not kind of fair and honest, not maybe one person one vote. But fair, honest and 100% one person one vote. State voters must sue their states if this is not guaranteed.
    State voters if denied proper remedies within their state courts, shall take these matters to the US Supreme Court because the US constitution is the primary guarantor of 100% fair and honest elections and one person one vote.
    Founders provided several buffer zones to remedy unfair or compromised elections:
    (1) Electors from each state and not direct national popular vote elections.
    (2) Time period between election day and meeting of electors to resolve any corruptions of the voting process.
    (3) Providing electors independence to cast their votes according to their own conscience, should they determine the process was not fair or honest.
    (4) Providing the specific remedy of the House vote selection should electors not reach the statutory minimum of votes necessary to declare an election winner.
    There are no provisions in the entire constitutional system of elections for the following:
    (1) No place for the “media” to call an election,
    (2) No place for a bogus claim and trappings of an Office of the President Elect,
    (3) No place for transitional demands to be made by any candidate prior to the final selection by the Electoral College, or ultimately a House vote if no Electoral College threshold vote is reached.
    (4) No place for engaging in psychological warfare to subvert the fundamental election outcome as set out only by the US Constitution.

  8. J says:

    It seems that DOJ has gone back to some of the old ways of Federal Executions, firing squads and electric chairs.
    If the swamp creatures at MSNBC and CNN had their way, us deplorables who support Trump, would be rounded up and murdered.

  9. Deap says:

    “There have only been two instances in the history of U.S. presidential elections where the House has picked the president. The first was during the presidential election of 1800, in which Aaron Burr and Thomas Jefferson fought it out to become the leader of the young nation. When the electoral votes were counted, the two Democratic-Republican candidates came out exactly tied. The final decision of the contested election was then handed over to the House of Representatives, who cast their ballots to officially elect Jefferson as president.
    The second time the House chose the president was during the contentious 1824 election. After none of the four presidential candidates received a large enough majority, or over 50 percent of electoral votes, the presidential decision was handed to Congress. It took until Feb. 9, 1825 for the final decision to be made. John Quincy Adams was announced as president, much to the chagrin of Andrew Jackson and his supporters.”……………………

  10. Petrel says:

    Fred — Are you aware of DoD raids on 3 – letter server farms in Frankfurt – Barcelona – Toronto and that these servers are now under analysis by the DIA?
    Sydney Powell referenced early findings from the raids in her Georgia / Michigan lawsuits and promised expert witnesses to follow in the Arizona Legislator meeting next week. Meanwhile, the Legislator meeting in PA has generated bills in both PA houses to withdraw 20 electors from Biden and give them to Trump.
    Condolences to the families of 3 – letter contractors and DoD patriots who died in the Frankfurt confrontation. Congratulations to General Flynn retuned to the fight of suppressing enemies foreign & domestic.

  11. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    Well, here is one account of the governing elite to be under Old White Joe:
    N.B.: Below the post proper are a couple of helpful charts. Click on them to expand for readability.
    Ah, yes, warmongers, globalists, dyed-in-the-wool zionists, rubbing their hands in glee. War with Iran is almost a lead pipe cinch under this cabal; got an early start with the assassination of the leading nuclear scientist in Iran. Don’t have the sense that such a war will run too smoothly, though. At minimum, the sane part of the world will without quibbles know that the Evil Empire (hah, what an ironic turn, that) needs to be taken down a peg. Sadly good Americans will be made to suffer for the viciousness of our nation’s masters. The price of Liberty, as old Thomas J. observed, is indeed eternal vigilance; lose focus and lose all.
    Globalists will be doing a celebratory cakewalk, slamming 3rd world clients into the country, advancing their next agenda item by flooding us with their clients so they can turn more states permanently blue and acquire the votes to kill the Republic by eliminating the Electoral College through Constitutional (what a laugh for them) amendment. Then tee up the Constitution for some “long overdue modifications”.
    Lay plans for the time immediately after some disasterous war, crashed economy, etc. for separation. If the Republic is lost, trying to save the people whom it protected and allowed to flourish from destruction is the needful course. Save what you can from the ruins, but know that Western Civilization as it was will be no more.
    “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” There, I said it, the infamous 14 Words. But Western Civilization exists only because of that people, and their values, so this is bedrock. Our Republic would never have existed were it not for that; no other culture has ever truly thought the thoughts that led to its formulation. For all of our human failings – and they are legion – something great was wrought, and it should not perish from the earth.

  12. Deap says:

    Cyber-security expert testifies under oath for the Powell legal team in Georgia – ample evidence exists that election fraud took place:

  13. Deap says:

    What did Stacy Abrams know and when did she know it, regarding Georgia election fraud?

  14. j. casey says:

    How long will they let Biden stay in office before Harris and HRC take over?

  15. NancyK says:

    I do not understand why you think the Democrats rigged the election. Did they rig it so Republicans would win 11 new house seats? Did they rig it so Republicans would win in NC, Texas and Florida? Are all of the courts in collusion with the Democrats? There is no real evidence except for Giuliani and his wacky ideas. Let it go the the Supreme Court as Trump wants I don’t think they will even touch it. Trump lost, Biden won. It is as simple as that. It is definitely
    no fun to lose, but Trump will survive and probably make a lot of money in the process.

  16. turcopolier says:

    They rigged the presidential election. I don’t care about Trump. He is relatively unimportant. It is the loss of control to you leftists that I fear and will resist.

  17. turcopolier says:

    Nancy K
    Your colleague Laura Wilson asks why the Dems did not rig all the elections up and down the ticket. Simple. This is an immense task. They simply did not have the resources or the time time to do all that.

  18. BillWade says:

    Petrel, “Condolences to the families of 3 – letter contractors and DoD patriots who died in the Frankfurt confrontation. Congratulations to General Flynn retuned to the fight of suppressing enemies foreign & domestic.”
    Could you please provide a source for this information? Thanks.
    NancyK, The 2020 election is not yet over. I remember when the 2016 election was over, there were no sour grapes from the Dems as I understand you have said. But what were those tens of thousands of women wearing some sort of genital hat the day after, what was that about? Why were they cheering a washed up entertainer named “Madonna” who was screaming and threatening to burn down the White House. Another women, a not so funny one, carrying around a severed Trump look alike head, did you laugh or just wish it were true? I distinctly remember antifa destroying cars, business windows, etc, just some kids having fun, no?
    I learned of a Japanese Admiral who said, “I’m afraid we’re about to waken a sleeping giant.” I have to wonder if Biden isn’t thinking the same thing.
    It’s a beautiful day in the Free State of Florida.

  19. akaPatience says:

    I share the colonel’s suspicion that our judiciary will ultimately fall short when it comes to providing a just remedy for the most widespread reports and evidence of election fraud I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. The dismissive, jocular attitude that prevailed when Cook County, IL corruption was thought to have delivered victory to Kennedy over Nixon in 1960 is a harbinger, and seems small-scale compared to what’s happened 60 years later. I hope the GA runoffs will avoid the corruption that seems to have taken place there earlier this month. A win by the Democrats will be catastrophic.
    Like the very disappointing AG Barr – he who’s given a lot of lip service and little else to the issue of government corruption/malfeasance we’ve witnessed these past few years – negligence, cowardice, resignation, laziness, complicity or a combination seem to guide those who we’ve unfortunately had to entrust to establish justice and to hold criminal wrongdoing accountable. Barr talks the talk but if he lets this election go by without making an effort to get to the truth, he has failed miserably.
    The political, corporate and media establishment seem to resent that Deplorables refuse to be kept in the dark, refuse to acquiesce to their agendas. The censorious CEOs of social and mainstream media are trying to keep a tight lid on awareness of these matters of corruption. Could their efforts backfire and result in a boiling over?
    I can’t help but suspect that Obama and his minions are behind much of the ballot box stuffing/miscounting type of voter fraud that’s allegedly occurred. The former community organizer could’ve easily waged a secret campaign to enlist accomplices all over the US who were willing to commit fraud to get Biden, and thus Obama’s favorite, Harris, elected. Is it mere coincidence that the narcissistic former POTUS just happens to be promoting yet another biography at this moment in time? I don’t think so.

  20. Suresh Syed says:

    If they can get rid of Trump – they will remove the Reps main leader. If the Dems can get control of the Senate or if some Rinos roll over expect a post presidential impeachment for obstruction of justice, with the aim being to stop Trump from holding office again. If they are crazy they might try the Epstein route although I doubt that there will be an US after that

  21. Antoinetta III says:

    Nancy K:
    These people are seriously infected with Trump Derangement Syndrome. They were maniacally focused on their sole obsession–dethroning the Orange King. I rather doubt that they thought about the down-ballot races much at all.
    Antoinetta III

  22. NancyK says:

    If the Dems rigged the election they did a very poor job of it. Except for Trump, which the majority of Americans did not approve of, they lost in the House, Senate and on the state level. If that is rigging I imagine Republicans wish the Democrats rigged more.
    Where exactly is the proof that this election was rigged. Just because you say it does not make it true. Even Republican election officials are saying that the election was not rigged.

  23. Cortes says:

    Removing the right of voluntary assembly
    through bans “for our own good” of normal meeting places – religious, secular, sporting and even media platforms such as Conservative Treehouse – is totalitarian. Not rightist, leftist. Totalitarian.
    How dull the world would be if everyone were in agreement with me. Or you. Or anyone. And the magnificence of the culture of the West was that tolerance of different opinions. Now being deployed against us by the intolerant under cover of benign motives.

  24. ked says:

    Col, Your assessment of why the Dems stole only the Presidential election is flawed. Given the theft claim is based upon access to vote-tabulating computer SW, it would be little additional effort to “do unto down-ballot races what was visited upon the top”. Same algorithms… access to the db files… a few mods to executables & voila.
    Face it… Trump was almost beaten by one of the worst candidates for pres in US history, & then wore out his welcome w/ the electorate through hard work every day he was on the job. HE blew it.

  25. TV says:

    “War with Iran is almost a lead pipe cinch under this cabal”
    I don’t think so.
    This is the same bunch that gave Iran a path to nuclear weapons AND then sent them pallets of cash -$1.5 billion IIRC.
    You see, these people (the Democrat-media party) have something in common with the mullahs – a shared enemy, America.

  26. elaine says:

    Petrel, I agree with BillWADE in seeking more info on causalities
    resulting from the Frankfurt raid you mentioned.

  27. Petrel says:

    BillWade — Re: ‘Condolences to the families . .” check out Mike Adams on Natural News for the past week. At one level, the information is mind blowing, almost unreal.
    We shall know next week, with the briefing of the Arizona Legislators, the reality of the Natural News reports.

  28. Teddy Meezer says:

    If they get away with stealing the Presidency, this maybe the last time a Republican is ever elected as POTUS.
    Once the crazy leftists regain power, they won’t give it up. It doesn’t matter how people vote, what matters is who “counts” the votes with the those machines. They will continue to use Covid to restrict freedoms, etc.,. Yes, we definitely live in interesting times…

  29. Deap says:

    A couple of thoughts:
    1. Trump is now doing exactly what he has been doing for the past four years- fighting the organized lies leveled against him. Nothing has changed. Just the lies have changed. But there is nothing strange about what he has chosen to do – what he has always been forced to do – fight it out.
    No surprise Trump is going all in again on the election; just like his defense against Russiagate, taxes, impeachment, deep state, anonymous leakers, attacks on his wife and family. Democrats should not act surprised – they set him up yet again to do exactly this.
    2. The dogs who did not bark:
    Where is the usual cast of characters ripping Trump apart because he pursuing election fraud and yet again calling any Trump self-defense an obstruction of justice, or the acts of a deranged narcissist: Pelosi, Schiff, Swalwell, Schumer – Clinton all strangely quiet.
    Do they know something we do not know? Do they know they cannot afford to dig their hole even deeper? Only the media and the junior varsity socialist squad are on record in daily attack mode.
    But the big guns are keeping their powder dry – except for Clinton’s one bizarre election night statement – don’t ever concede Biden, because you will be winning by the next day.
    Was she drunk when this slipped out?

  30. marhias alexander says:

    Again, Biden and the DNC are not ‘Left Wing’.

  31. NancyK says:

    It is the down ballot races that are so important especially this year with the new census and redistricting. Republicans will control, perhaps that is what they wanted, more power and less Trump. Maybe the fix wasn’t from the Democrats.

  32. turcopolier says:

    mathias alexander
    That depends on where you personally are on the left-right spectrum.

  33. turcopolier says:

    “Given the theft claim is based upon access to vote-tabulating computer SW, it would be little additional effort to “do unto down-ballot races what was visited upon the top” That is not established as yet.

  34. Barbara Ann says:

    “How dull the world would be if everyone were in agreement with me. Or you. Or anyone.”
    This is exactly the agenda of the Progressive cult; to diversify us all into submissive unanimity. Not unanimity of appearance, no you can be black, white, any color or gender you like – you can identify as a grapefruit if you so wish. And you can of course disagree on any amount of superficial stuff where you are not at risk of hurting another’s feelings. BUT, diversity of opinion from the core philosophy (of absolutist progressivism) will not be tolerated. If you are not Progressive you must be a deplorable Regressive and thus in need of re-education. Or worse.
    These people detest real culture and words like “diversify” and “tolerance” in their mouths are names in need of the rectification.

  35. elaine says:

    BillWade, As Petrel has not responded to you requesting info on causalities resulting from the Frankfurt raid I ran a search for
    “causalities resulting from the recent raid in Frankfurt Germany” &
    got several hit, all were refuted by USA Today. It’s hard to know
    what to believe.

  36. Keith Harbaugh says:

    Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch says
    “if you deny there was fraud in the election,
    you’re either ignorant or lying”:

  37. Fred says:

    Nancy K,
    “Maybe the fix wasn’t from the Democrats.”
    Yeah, that other party really runs Atlanta, Milwaukee, Philadelphia and Detroit. Minneapolis too, since they managed to keep the same party in power there also. Nice story, unlike the one in the NYT stating Democrats had massive down ballot losses. It’s almost as if Trump won in a landslide, except for that Russian interference thing the actual Republicans did at the top. I’m looking forward to seeing that idea laid out on CNN.

  38. Artemesia says:

    reply to TV | 28 November 2020 at 08:05 PM:
    re “pallets of cash.”
    Details please!! What did the cash signify?
    Was it otherwise unremunerated US taxpayer money?
    If so, are you suggesting that a Bidem administration will send yet more US taxpayer money to Iran?
    Do you suppose Joe “I am a zionist” Biden will attempt to send as much US taxpayer money to Iran as they send to Israel?
    re Iran’s “path to nuclear weapons.”
    Please, for we of the untraveled class — what are the steps of that path?
    How should we interpret the mullahs’ fatwa against nuclear weapons — straying from the path you mentioned?
    How about Iran’s participation in 1995 in a negotiation on the renewal of the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty — At that meeting, conducted by Richard Butler at his dining room table, Iran and other nations in the Middle East were promised a conference to discuss creating in the region a nuclear-free zone; Israel’s nukes were to be “on the table.”
    (That promise was never fulfilled.)
    Was Iran’s participation in that promise “on the path to nuclear weapons” or Iran straying from the path?
    re “Democrats and mullahs” share an enemy, America.”
    On several occasions in the past year I drove through Washington, DC and into adjacent Montgomery County, MD. I took photos of numerous boarded-up buildings, from office buildings on K Street to Neiman Marcus in Chevy Chase. I have photos of buildings on the edge of Lafayette Park covered with vile graffiti. Vocabulary was limited in this graffiti barrage: mostly F- bombs and “Black Lives Matter.”
    I recognize Farsi when I see it, but I did not see any Farsi amongst the graffiti. A Black Lives Matter banner had been run up a flagpole — I watched a DC police officer take it down. But I did not see the Flag of Iran anywhere. (I have a photo of a giant US flag being used as a tarpaulin over the stash of a homeless person in the homeless tent-city at the end of the ramp from Key Bridge into the District, but once again, no flag of Iran.)
    Maybe Iranians are incapable of articulating their enmity toward America? My Iranian-American neurosurgeon did not use his scalpel to express his enmity toward America. Would you call that a fluke, uncharacteristic of Iranians, or a missed opportunity?
    Do Dems and Iran have the same basis for viewing America as an enemy — “400 years a slave; police brutality; white supremacy; denial of LGBTQrstuv rights,” etc.?
    Please, TV, enlighten us. Inquiring minds want to know.

  39. turcopolier says:

    Perhaps you are joking but not a penny of the money sent to Iran was US taxpayer money. It was all Iranian money impounded since the revolution. I have said this over and over again on SST but the Foxnews jingoes do not want to hear it.

  40. Deap says:

    Dems only had to win POTUS, they already had the House and are now working on “winning” the Senate, but have to wait until the January election using the same crooked Dominion system in Georgia.
    They did not need to go “down ballot”, but they sure as heck had to get rid of the Trump veto. I believe there was a record number of “single candidate” ballots cast this election too which I suspect were mainly for Biden – another bizarre happenstance.
    So no legs on the claim the Dems did a poor job rigging the ballots, because they did not rig it down ballot. They rigged it where they needed to rig it – a few specific localities where they needed the biggest pay off for their primary 2020 goal -Get Trump.

  41. Artemesia says:

    Col. Lang, I was not joking I was poking.
    Indeed: the Pallets of cash represented a return to Iran of Iranian monies held by USA for many years.
    I listened to hours and hours of the Senate’s otherwise meaningless debate on the Agreement-that-was-not-a-treaty, and I watched with rapt attention as Seyed Hussein Mousavian, former Iranian amb. to Germany, explained (sometimes heatedly) that the JCPOA was in many ways harmful to Iranian interests and a hard sell to many in Iranian leadership, but it was agreed to in large part to test the reliability of some of the members of the Agreement.
    Mousavian discussed his book, Iran and The United States: An Insider’s View on the Failed Past and the Road to Peace, HERE: https://www.c-span.org/video/?320226-1/iran-united-states

  42. lux says:

    Posted by: English Outsider | 28 November 2020 at 10:14 AM
    I think this might be the footnote referred to

    no, that one looks at Dominion online, considering the given credentials at the start, it’s a really strange dot connecting web expedition. What does TTG think about that one?
    Under 14 she might refer to the earlier ‘declaration’ or affidavit: Harri Hursti, 24, August 2020, an expert in ballot scanning and an authorized poll watcher in Atlanta. At one point he too suspects there could be a hidden Wifi connection present, but obviously cannot prove it. Strictly the rather chaotic update routines via usb-devices from other districts suggest the opposite. Anyway, its interesting, and he watches that very, very rarely a voter checks his printed ballot.
    Maybe team Kraken hesitated to add the reference under note 14, since he was a witness in a earlier lawsuit brought by the Democrats? Hard to get hold of the documents added to the filed motions anyway. Is there an official court database?
    Team Kraken:
    (c)The new election system depends on voters to verify the printed text of their choices on their ballots, a step that many voters might not take. The State Election Board hasn’t yet created regulations for how recounts and audits will be conducted. And paper ballots embed selections in bar codes that are only readable by scanning machines, leaving Georgians uncertain whether the bar codes match their votes.14
    Emergeny motion by TeamKraken:
    Order Timothy C. Batten, jr, admended version:
    first granted, then denied:
    In addition, Plaintiffs content that Union County officials have advised that they are going to wipe or reset the voting machines of all data and bring the count back to zero on Monday, November 30.
    Storm in a teapot? David Mikkelson, thinks yes:
    I’ll remain curiously neutral.

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