INGRAHAM: I think — we have to look at the sense of upwards of $20 trillion in Iraq, right? We don't have a lot to show for it. We are stumbling still in Afghanistan.
American people — I mean, we can talk about we should do this and we should do that — and I understand that. I really do. But we have a country right now where people look around and say wait a second, why do we only seem to care about borders and sovereignty when they're other countries' border — border and sovereignty? Why is it that we're obsessed about that but in our country, we have a middle class completely flat-lining, we have economic opportunity dwindling?
And I think it's a hard sell to the people spending money where we don't know where it's coming from in an economy that needs desperate help here.
So, these are the perils of military adventurism and previous decades. We're paying the price of that a little bit today.
I was a big supporter of the war in Iraq. And I understand there are a lot of complexities there. But the American people are looking and going, where is the bang for the buck? That's what they're running into, in the Democratic and Republican Parties.
WOLFOWITZ: You can't do this in the rearview mirror. The problem is —
INGRAHAM: You've got to learn from the past, Paul, right?
WOLFOWITZ: Yes, I know. But one of the things to learn from the past includes unfortunately the past of 1930s, is that if you don't deter this sort of moves early, when you can do it without military force, you end up in wars. And that's what we're trying to avoid here.
One of the obsessions of the neocon faith is the need to deter Nazi Germany. I agree that this would have been a good idea, but Russia in this decade is not Nazi Germany anymore than Iraq was in the time of Wolfowitz criminal folly. This man admitted that he lied about Iraq WMD as a matter of political convenience in propaganda aimed at the US citizenry. He was also dismissed from his post as president of the World Bank for malfeasance. pl