The United States deserves a chief executive who is in good health. The four of them (and the VP candidates as well) should submit themselves to independent complete examinations before election day. pl
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/what-did-dnc-viewers-find-hillary-tongue/
That picture must have been doctored. It looks like there is almost, but not quite, a pink-white cloth wrapped around her chin and face.
Edward
Sir,I was holding back on this until I could search around a bit. It seems that it is not photo-shopped as many people noticed while watching coverage of Clinton’s acceptance speech and spontaneously twittered, etc. about it. So what is it? Nothing good from a health perspective. Some are saying a syphilis sore. Looks like it, but it is hard to accept. Clearly she could have contracted syphilis from Bill if not from her own dalliances. It doesn’t require sex to transmit. Any kind of bodily fluid exchange will do it. It would also explain some of the other alleged symptoms observed, such as spasms/convulsions, mental confusion, exhaustion – but syphilis is very treatable in the early stages. Why wouldn’t she have simply quietly gotten care and been done with it? Perhaps duties at State interfered until it was too late? The lesion looks too surgical to me to be a naturally occurring sore. A better explanation is cancer. A growth was removed from her tongue. However the cancer was not isolated to the tongue. It is either currently in – or has been attempted removed – from her throat as well. That explains the rasping voice and coughing fits. Chemo therapy drugs and drugs used to counter chemo side effects can cause a wide spectrum of issues and the fainting, mental confusion and apparent seizures are all within the spectrum. A similar, but lesser threat, health-wise, would be STD warts. But I doubt such a large and deep area of tongue tissue would have been impacted. Most likely warts would have be frozen off (but surgical removal is a possible approach under some conditions). The warts would cause the coughing and scratchy voice, but not seizures, etc. Warts of the STD variety can cause cancers. Much ovarian and uterine cancer is said to be strongly associated with them. Herpes is another possibility that does not account for the seizures, etc. nor the surgical looking tongue wound. Syphilis explains what we know – but seems an unreasonable conclusion given effective treatments if addressed in the early stages. Cancer, of course, is a different story and would also explain the range of symptoms. Might be something else entirely though. Eric Newhill
Mouth and tongue lesions are commonplace. Newhill, if that is a real name of a certified medical doctor, is engaging in irresponsible speculation. I would love to have some video of Newhill when we was not being extremely self-aware to see if I could make a case for committing him.
That’s quite a find… I’m wondering who the first reporter will be to lob some hard questions at her.
Edward, Some say it is merely a throat lozenge. I don’t think so. And if it had been, it seems to me it would have fallen out when her head was tilted down. You be the judge: https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2016/07/30/is-the-hole-in-hillary-clintons-tongue-from-cancer-surgery/
Also, note that she now has false teeth that she didn’t have just a few years ago; consistent with the oral/pharyngeal cancer hypothesis.
Sir,
You can’t really see the “tissue” I referred to on the picture you posted on your blog. A picture showing the entire face is here
mobile.twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/758823770614226944/photo/1
and there is something wrong with it.
All,
With regard to Hillary, and Trump, and Sanders.
From the start, one of the things that has struck me is that all these people are simply too old.
If what is at issue in being in charge of government is running a reasonably well-oiled machine, with capable subordinates, age may not matter greatly.
But that is patently not the case for any POTUS, in this day and age.
To do the job successfully requires immense physical and intellectual stamina.
Edward, What’s wrong with the face is the massive amounts of botox and putty used to make it look younger and alive.
hans,
None from the Borgist MSM will dare. They have all been instructed that Clinton is the OverClass’s preferred Trillion-Dollar Obama 2.0 Presidential designee-of-choice. No MSM reporter will dare to interfere with that.
Perhaps the OverClass knows all about her health problems. I would almost bet that Kaine is in very good health. The game plan would probably be to get Clinton-Kaine elected and then let Hillary resign for reasons of health after she has done all the good she can do for her sponsors. Then Kaine ( pro TPP/TTIP/TISA/etc.) will take over.
BeginAgain, that video will be called, “Me Severely Kicking Your Ass”
A medical exam and a battery of written tests.
Edward,
Damn son denial ain’t just the name of a river in Egypt.
Eric,
Why do I think beginagain is a pencil neck nerd based on his parsing alone.
dc… I found the choice of Kaine for vp a bit puzzling, but in this context, sensible.
All, Assuming lack of photo-shopping, this link is pretty conclusive.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/31/someone-in-media-needs-to-ask-hillary-clinton-what-was-cut-out-of-her-tongue/
Is the story behind this one of the “bombshells” that Wikileaks has been holding in its arsenal?
All,
I have never done photo-shop. I don’t even have my own computer. So I don’t know all the things that photo-shop can do or how natural it may be made to look. So I can only say that the hole in the tongue looks “real” to me, but maybe a good photo-shop artist could make a photo-shop-hole look real.
In the Cassandra twitter photo, I do see what looks like a pink plastic molded “add-on” to the lower face kind of around the lower jaws. It looks like some kind of photo-artifact to me because it seems somehow out of color and texture sync with the rest of the face. If so, how was it photo-created after-the-fact and why? On the other hand, if it is a real plastic thing attached to her real face to cover something else up, who did such a bad job to create a plastic lower-jaw/face cover which would show up so obviously in a photo? Shouldn’t she have access to the best makeup and facial prostheses that the masters of disguise in Hollywood can devise?
Withal, stuff like this is not supposed to have broken until she was safely in office. If she is forced to withdraw from the nomination beFORE the election and have Kaine transplanted into her spot; the Democratic Party might as well pour gasoline over itself and set itself on fire on Prime Time TV. The Bitter Bernistas will be beside themselves with rage, hate and fury. Some might vote for Kaine under that scenario, but not very many.
Eric Newhill,
In the joint photo of Clinton and Obama, what is that thing on her lower face/jaw and uppermost throat zone? If it is photo-shopped, it seems designed to stand out and call attention to the photo-shopping. If it is a real plastico-rubber thingie that she is wearing, it appears to have been very poorly crafted.
If it is real upon her face, and therefor shows UP in the photograph, what is it and what is it for?
The choice of Kaine is indeed in part because HRC cares about having someone capable of taking over on day one. This is not necessarily because she feels herself at death’s door but prudence that one wishes more presidential candidates would show in choosing a running mate. She also selected him because he will play well with Bill, which will be important in her White House and he comes from a swing state with a Democratic governor who will nominate Kaine’s successor. In addition, she no longer has any special need to shore up her left flank, given that many of Sanders’ supporters came over to her before Sanders did and she has the full-throated endorsement of Elizabeth Warren, another favorite of the Democratic left, not to mention the obvious inducement offered by the prospect of Trump/Pence in the White House. Also she is very comfortable with Kaine personally – they have known each other for decades.
If you saw him at the convention, other reasons come to mind as well. He’ll make a fine surrogate on the campaign trail and he has a warmth and ease that Clinton often has a hard time showing. It’s a good matchup.
Looks like a job for Eliot Higgins and his crack team of photo analysts at Bellingcat…
What’s the old saying ?
If a thing looks too good to be true… Then it probably isn’t.
I suggest that a mental health exam is more important than the proposed physical medical.
michael brenner
well, if she falls on her ass on a stage, the mental exam might be unnecessary. pl
Guys how do you think she’s going to handle Trump going after her on the debates if she can’t even manage a press conference without appearing like Grandma off her meds?
Different Clue,
I have no idea. I have no expertise in photography at all. Hopefully someone here does.
I will go so far as to say that if one looks at various Clinton pics, there is a very old and decayed looking Clinton and a younger healthier Clinton. Very different. I am guessing the transformation can only be done via massive botox and putty make-up.
Who knows how far they would go to get her across the finish line. She could be 50% artificial parts by now; or not. That is why the independent health exam should be done. To put these questions to rest. It seems there is enough to justify the questions.
Being President (or at least appearing to be) clearly doesn’t require all that much intellectual stamina, at any rate. Both Reagan and George W Bush are compelling demonstrations of that.
Now, being a GOOD President – well, there you do have a point…
An especially intriguing set of events took place in late 2012 and at the beginning of 2013. Hillary Clinton dropped out of sight, the story being that she had a virus, became dehydrated, fainted, and fell, causing a concussion. Then, she was in the hospital — as the story went — to dissolve a blood clot in a vessel between the skull and brain, behind an ear–
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/us-hillary-clinton-concussion/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/31/politics/hillary-clinton-hospitalized/index.html
After that came the hearing in Congress about Benghazi, Libya, during which she made the now famous statement, “What difference, at this point, does it make?” But at that hearing, she was wearing glasses, and some people noticed that they had lines in them, designed to deal with double vision–
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hillary-double-mrs-clinton-specs-hint-impairment-article-1.
1247375
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/hillary-clinton-glasses-fresnal-lens-concussion-double-
vision.html
This significant matter then dropped off the radar screen.
Now there is the spot on her tongue, which, if genuine, calls for more investigation–
https://www.mdanderson.org/cancer-types/oral-cancer/oral-cancer-symptoms.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udj4OKtTeo8
http://www.cancer.net/cancer-types/head-and-neck-cancer/symptoms-and-signs?sectionTitle=Symptoms%20and%20Signs
If the thing in the picture is real, it’s not good. Reagan was not in his right mind for quite awhile in the White House and his spouse was calling the shots. It’ll be President Clinton no matter what. I’ve forgotten what the rules are for a President who is incapacitated and who decides whether she/he is.
I will say that it is genuinely difficult to establish that someone is not competent. Aside from that, who cares how healthy they are. The electorate, just on the basis of what is known (the blood clot seizure thing), has got to know she is a slender reed.
Trump on the other hand and this is not a plea for voting for him I think is pretty solid. Never drank a drop of alcohol in his life or I daresay smoked a cigarette.
Colonel Lang, like in the case of e mails, I am afraid the Media may claim it was the Putin who pushed her off the stage.
Much a do about “very little” thing.
Photo looks photoshopped. The plastic cover around her face is obviously false. How can one diagnose oral cancer from 20 meters away?
That CPL advocates evaluation of the health of the presidential candidates is a valid point in general. At least conspiracy theories are avoided and at the same time one avoid demented politicians (who will be just figureheads like Yeltsin) from ruling as proxies.
I watched the PBS “over the delegate-top” speech that was linked to near the top of the thread. On a computer the resolution is too fuzzy for me to really tell just what details I may be seeing. She looked and sounded reasonably healthy and alert to me. I did not see any sign of that strange plastic thing on her lowest face/ uppest throat in the video that I see in the still pictures offered. Was that still-picture of her face from a different video or photograph than a still from the PBS video linked to here?
If her health problems are real, including a real hole or surgical gouge in her tongue; they will become worse under campaign stress and pressure in the coming weeks. If they are not, or they don’t; then we may be misplacing our hopes in bad-health eruptions taking her off the stage. In which case, we will have to fall back on making the case against her on policy, history, the policy of people she has already said will work at high levels in the DOD ( Flournoy) and State ( Nuland) and etc. And her stances for Regime Changing and against reasonable relations with Russia. And her promise that Mister NAFTA Bill will be in charge of her “economic revitalization plan” for America.
Photoshop is magical; basically, you can do just about anything with it. Think “Lord of the Rings” or any kind of science fiction or fantasy book or video – Photoshop or some similar software were used to create those visual effects. Photoshop can be used to make Hillary’s wrinkles fade, or alter her skin tone. Trump’s peculiar shade of orange could not be improved by Photoshopping, IMVHO.
There are ways to ‘mark’ Photoshopped files for ownership (i.e., royalties), as well as for provenance. I have no clue about the accuracy or provenance of the photo connected to this post.
As for the topic of the thread – all candidates, including for senator and governor, should be required to have exams (mental and physical). We should also see their credit rating.
I think both of the Clintons are in such poor health that either are likely to have a major health event before the election.
The strong contrast between H. Clinton, and Trump doing two unscripted rally events in a day, several days in a row, week after week… it doesn’t help her case for being ‘fit’ for the office.
“not necessarily”
The links in the comment above about Hillary’s glasses and double vision did not stay together in one line, and will not click through to the page unless the last part is pieced together with the rest so that it will work. Here they are again, and maybe they will work without having to assemble them–
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hillary-double-mrs-clinton-specs-hint-impairment-article-1.1247375
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/hillary-clinton-glasses-fresnal-lens-concussion-double-vision.html
My guess is the white pixels in the photo have been shifted relative to the other pixels. Something weird is going on with the colors. Her eyes look as gouged as the tongue.
Totally convincing. I concede. If you kick my ass, but only severely, as determined by a group of experts, then Clinton will die in the the next five years of ovarian cancer.
Want to run that wager past your medical board?
This photo isn’t necessarily a fraud. The purpose of the manipulation might be to make the tongue blemish more visible.
Pacifica Advocate,
“…she has had him in her pocket for decades.”
“She won’t have to watch her back.”
Your text needed a bit of work, as well. I prefer my versions but YMMV. Cheers.
Come on, anyone can post a picture and say it is Hillary Clinton and that hole pictured on a tongue that may or may not be her tongue, must be syphilis. It seems the pro Trump people are getting very desperate. I have mentioned before that I was in nursing for 37 years many of those years were around clients that had seizures. I have seen grand mal, petit mal and psychomotor seizures and none of them looked like the video of Clinton that was slowed down to make every motion look very exaggerated. I have no clue what her health is or the health of Trump, who from photos looks very bloated, but then neither does anyone else on this site know for sure.Historically not all candidates have been healthy ie Roosevelt and Kennedy but somehow they were able to do fulfill their duties. I agree that maybe all candidates should have a legitimate health exam but may they should all reveal their tax returns also.
That’s a trade I bet even Hillary isn’t willing to make. She’s in bad shape.
This is a recent photo from a source called “DC Whispers” – apparently the health issue is not well hidden anymore. This is not the tongue. It is a sick old lady that can’t climb a short set of stairs. No photo-shopping here.
http://dcwhispers.com/wrong-hillary-clinton-new-pic-shows-barely-able-get-steps/#e8bUd26VFSVQEhAc.01
If she’s that bad, she should withdraw. Period.
Nancy,
As soon as she releases the contents of her speeches to Wall Street.
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/07/hillary-clinton-needs-help-getting-stairs/
How many lights are there, Nancy?
Eric,
Its about to get Orwellian in here boyo.
Daniel,
There’s a thread around here where oofda is failing at an equivocacy argument because Trump is “overweight” while Hillary is apparently a crossfit maven and those saddle bags are a right wing conspiracy.
There are a series of photos showing Hillary being assisted by staffers–more than one–climbing up a flight of stairs. These photos are Drudge’s top story line today–August 8, 2016 and are also featured on Breitbart. The photos are from a campaign stop in South Carolina earlier this year. She looks pretty hopeless in the photos, but check for yourself. I apologize for not supplying links, but I’m pretty computer illiterate.
In reply to kooshy 06 August 2016 at 10:27 PM
You need to pay more attention it was Hitler who pushed her off the stage. Everyone knows that.
And Putin is worse than Hitler everyone knows that too.
Now fall in line.
Mz Stephanie;
I don’t know where you circulate, but here in the Deep South, antipathy towards H Clinton is strong, especially amongst ex-Sanderistas. Many disappointed Sanders boosters I speak with are torn between voting third party, staying home on voting day, or voting for Trump in a “pox on both your houses” manner. Add to all this the unremarked fact that, assuming he weathers yet another right wing(!!!) attack on his leadership, Paul Ryan would be President Kaines’ Veep. I wonder if this is how voters in 1876 felt.
Between the stair climbing problems, tongue biopsy, auto-syringe carrying quasi secret service agent, seizures, secret service agents with hands in a position to catch her Mrs. Clinton has serious health issues and will have to withdraw by the end of the month. New ground will be broken in the Democratic Party iby deciding who will move forward as the Presidential Nominee..
Apparently HRC is actually showing signs of Parkison’s disease.
The confusion and wild head bobbing are side effects from anti-parkinsonian drug Levodopa.
Here is the Zero Hedge page – http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-08/something-wrong-hillary-bizarre-behavior-seizure-allegations-raise-doubts-about-her-?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29
Clinton may have some physical problems, Trump may have some mental problems. I feel confident most Americans would prefer a president with physical problems over a president with mental problems. That is why I predict Clinton will win the election. Trump has alienated too many people with his narcissistic, grandiose, fear mongering behavior.
Clinton’s doctor releases statement: http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/31/doctor-says-hillary-clinton-is-fit-to-serve/?_r=0
OGP, Why yes, of course he did. I’m sure he didn’t want to be found dead after accidentally injecting himself with a massive dose of insulin.
Health information is protected by law. The doctor is only allowed to release that which Hillary permits him to in a signed agreement.
“She said Mrs. Clinton eats a diet rich in lean protein, vegetables and fruits. She exercises regularly, including yoga, swimming, walking and weight training”
Yeah sure. She looks like it.
This whole election can be summed up as, “Who are you going to believe? Your lying eyes or me”
ambrit,
From what I understand, the vast majority of Sanders’ Democratic supporters went over to Clinton some time ago. Bad move on Bernie’s part, because had he conceded earlier it would have looked as if he was gallantly leading his teeming masses into the party instead of trailing after them. Clinton does want to win over the younger voters who went for Sanders, but there’s also a hard core of anti-Clinton sentiment (on the left as well as the right). Those people were never going to vote for her and coalesced around Sanders as the most prominent anti-Clinton option in a less-than-crowded field.
A vote for Trump as a protest vote, or staying home, seems to me to be little more than pointless and potentially destructive nihilism, but people will do what they will do.
Of course, a lot depends on where you live. In my state it doesn’t much matter how I vote with regard to the national ticket. In swing states it’s a much bigger deal, particularly if the election seems close.
For Ryan to get to the presidency via the House speakership, both HRC and Kaine will have to join the choir invisible. Seems pretty unlikely to me.
The election of 1876 was a lot more suspenseful than I think this one will be in the end, but IMO there was only one choice back then. Tilden or Blood!
Okay, maybe not blood.
NancyK,
I would prefer a candidate that did not continue the neocon FP.
“pencil neck nerd” You must be talking about Tom Cotton. Isis must be drooling over his neck.
I don’t think Clinton looks buff by any stretch of the imagination. What she looks like is a 70 year old overweight but not obese female. She doesn’t look particularly good or bad for her age. Trump is probably equally overweight and has a puffy face with bags under his eyes. He looks in no better or worse shape than Clinton.. If she eats as reported her diet is better than his as he admits to a weakness for fast food and soft drinks, neither which are conducive to good health. He doesn’t drink, but if she only has a glass or 2 of wine, that could be as healthy as a teetotaler. No one but their medical Doctors really know how healthy either of them are. All else is just speculation on all of our parts
Bobo,
Kaine, I should think. Job One was to deNY Sanders the nomination, and they got that done.
Sliding into Kaine would be the smoothest transition. If they don’t do it that way, then they open their Inner Party ranks to all kinds of Game Of Thrones jealousy over who gets to succeed the fallen Lady Hillary. Any number of “foreign policy expert” Senator My Turns will insist on being appointed.
Nancy,
Hillary is a fat old woman who can’t even do a debate without coughing or leaving the stage. She vanishes for weeks at a time.
Meanwhile Trump can do back to back events in front of thousands of people on a daily basis. Yet here you are, equivocating.
How many lights are there Nancy?
Mr. Habakkuk,
Gandalf. Obi Wan. Trump.
Sometimes you need an old white dude to save the world.
You may find Trump handsome and in great shape, I doubt most women do. As for Clinton being fat and old, Trump is a few month older than she is and take a look at that waddle under his chin and the girth around his belly. He probably has energy from all the caffeinated colas he drinks. There are 4 lights Tyler.