Is Epstein’s arrest and indictment part of Barr’s counter-offensive?


IMO AG Barr is conducting a general counter-offensive against "the resistance."  He has his bulldog Durham organizing indictments for the former underground in DoJ and the FBI.  He has DoJ IG Horowitz' report on malfeasance coming out soon.  He has that fellow out in Utah who must have done something in all this elapsed time.  He has various cats and dogs in DoJ running down a variety of blood trails looking for dead men walking.

And then there is Jeffrey Epstein (the man who loved childwomen).  The timing is interesting as a part of the putative Barr counter-offensive.  Is Trump vulnerable?  Probably not unless he was so self-indulgent as to let Epstein ("a great guy") loan him one of these girls in days of yore.  On the positive side Trump did ban Epstein from Mar a Lago a while back for an assault on a young woman.  No.  the vulnerables would seem to be mostly on the other side, especially the Clintons.  Bill is a prospective figure of interest no matter what his spokesman said of his innocence and her majesty is toast if it can be shown that she was knowledgeable of adventures in Epsteinland.  She doesn't have to have participated in the Epstein child care program.  She merely has to have been contemporaneously knowledgeable.

Epstein flew back into the US aboard his private 727 (aka The Lolita Express).  He must have thought he had the situation "wired."  Apparently the AG did not accept the terms of the old Florida deal.   IMO Barr is following his own program in this.  Trump is merely a pleased spectator.  pl

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71 Responses to Is Epstein’s arrest and indictment part of Barr’s counter-offensive?

  1. Jack says:

    What do you make of media reports of Bill Barr’s father having hired Epstein as a school teacher? Why do you think they’re going after him now considering his “protected” status and do you believe that they’ll also go after the other high profile potential child rapists who took advantage of the Lolita Express?

  2. PRC90 says:

    Timing is (just about) everything, including within the art of public swamp draining.
    I’m not familiar with the pace of legal proceedings of this nature through the US Court system, however Trump will be in an advantageous position if Barr’s processes are timed to result in convictions and penalties being handed out to various well known DNC and IC luminaries immediately before the 2020 election date.
    The mistake would be to rely on any convictions of the 2016 players to discredit the DNC candidate of 2020. The Clintons, et al, are current era irrelevancies or indeed parodies, and they and proof of long gone conspiracies would be seen as separate issues to whatever the Democrat candidate, eg., Elizabeth Warren, can credibly promise for 2020-24.
    Trump will still have to fight 2020, not re run 2016.
    I think the answer to the above question is ‘yes’ within the context that ever action the WH takes from now on in, be it relating to Epsteins or Iranians, will be with the 2020 outcome as the prime determinant.

  3. Bill H says:

    This action is being brought by the Southern and Eastern Districts of New York, which is/are also bring charges against Trump parallel to the federal charges which fizzled. It looks to me like that is another attempt to bring down an elected president. From Vox News:
    “Trump, meanwhile, reportedly attended Epstein-hosted events in New York and Florida, as Epstein patronized the Mar-a-Lago Club. In 2002, Trump even gave a remarkable on-the-record comment about Epstein to a New York magazine journalist, calling him ‘terrific’ and adding that he ‘likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.’”
    And, “During the 2016 campaign, Trump was sued by an anonymous woman who claimed he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13 years old.”
    I don’t regard Vox as a reliable source, but am citing them here as representative of what the “story line” will be.

  4. casey says:

    I wonder whether domestic Israeli politics is also involved here, too, in the form of Barak being fingered, so to speak, for his Epstein connections, via Wexner, in order to smear him as election time approaches.

  5. eakens says:

    I think this may be Barr putting Mueller on notice in advance of congressional testimony, given that is very likely that Mueller is implicated in this whole Epstein affair.
    I also think Les Wexner needs to be stripped of his fortune. I believe he was in cahoots with Epstein in this entrapment operation that was run.

  6. Harry says:

    Utterly fascinating. Watching the US “nomenclatura” fight it out, gloves off. Us mere mortals never usually get to gawp on their goings on.

  7. R says:

    The argument for Barr’s counteroffensive is strengthened by his recusal reversal. Doubt still remains though as to what is really going on. If the court filings at the below are accurate–graphic reading in some instances–POTUS was enmeshed in the Epstein-Maxwell op:

  8. Paco says:

    ¿City on a hill?
    Caligula an Nero look good compared to that tribe.

  9. Bill Wade says:

    Bloomberg today is reporting that AG Barr is not recusing himself from this case, rumors were yesterday that he was going to do that.
    Interesting video if you have 30+ minutes to spare:

  10. Barbara Ann says:

    Timing is indeed everything. Russiagate set the precedent for lawfare to become a normal part of the political process and I’d fully expect Trump to maximize it to his own advantage in the run up to 2020.
    Lolitagate may be targeting the Clintons and you are probably right that the Clintons need not drag down someone like Warren simply because of party association. However, I’d bet Barr can be relied upon to do plenty of damage to the Dems which will affect voters next year. It depends how high up the Russiagate blowback goes. I’d not expect any Dem candidate to beat Trump if the guts of the coup plot spill out in public, especially if St. Obama is implicated – that would be a dagger to the heart.
    This is why I found it interesting to see the Strzok-Page texts info the Favored Fox News Channel had, referred to in Larry’s last post. I’d expect more of the same building to a crescendo at the most opportune time. Trump is a ruthless SOB and I expect his revenge will be sweet.

  11. ambrit (ex Britam) says:

    Which “…her majesty…” do you refer to? There is HRH HRC, ie. Hillary, the Dowager of the White House and there is Elizabeth Rex, the real Queen of England. Both are associated with potential ‘co-defendants’ of Epstein.
    As to the relevance of the Clintons in this election cycle, well, the Clinton Foundation still wields considerable power in internal Democrat Party affairs. Any real damage done to Bill Clinton will be a body blow to the now old guard Democrat ‘Nomenklatura.’
    It will be interesting to see how fast and how vehement the ‘denunciations,’ or lack thereof, of Bill Clinton will be. The Democrat insiders might spin this one as a ‘litmus test’ of Party loyalty.
    The organized sexual exploitation of children has absolutely no excuse. Epstein has skated away on thin ice concerning this so far. His ‘plea deal’ from earlier was an abomination. It included a blanket immunity for anyone who aided and abetted him in the the sexual exploitation of these girls.
    I don’t care what Barr’s motivations are. Here’s to his continuing success in the vital democratic process of showing Justice to be carried out.

  12. Lars says:

    All the conspiracies withstanding, the Miami Herald was going public with the details and thus forcing the prosecutors to act. There seems to be a “public corruption” angle to this, which will also be revealed in the future. It would appear that Epstein has deserved all the attention.

  13. Cortes says:

    It seems like the Bona Dea scandal with Century XXI media and makes me fearful.
    Lots of potential for unleashed mayhem.
    Been wrong many times before and hope I’m overreacting.
    The essays of James Kunstler are persuasive to me.

  14. Mark Logan says:

    If it is an offensive they’ve thrown one of their own under the bus to conduct it.
    Acosta appears to be first up for the whipping post. Even if he blames it on someone else what will be on his resume afterwards would likely prove disqualifying at a Hong Kong rubber dog-poop factory.

  15. turcopolier says:

    Acosta is a nobody. He fits nicely under the bus. How much do you think he made on the plea bargain?

  16. Hah Hah! If you guys hadn’t revolted against your Lawful King 200+whatnot years ago, your only concerns today would be about socks.

  17. ted richard says:

    there is a larger issue going on.
    for a not insignificant percentage of americans the fairness and integrity of the us justice system is now viewed with deep skepticism all the way to out right contempt.
    if this nation has any chance of surviving intact and in a manner that engenders respect and belief we have arrived at that moment when heads must roll for all the vile things done and never punished by so called untouchables (political, financial, popular celebrity).
    epsteins arrest had better be merely point of the lance or you can start the count down clock on our political dissolution.

  18. Bona Dea scandal!! Holy Cow!! That’s an arcane reference. Who is Caesar’s wife in this one? Who is Clodius?

  19. Johnb says:

    Yes my first and ongoing question is ‘Who’s being targeted’ given that 2020 is underway. Given the Steele dossier is there any link to the leaking of the Ambassador cables just prior to this announcement. I’m way to far removed to comment further at this stage.

  20. I think AG Barr will be looking for ways to quash the Epstein affair. That’s why he refused to recuse. Trump has more exposure to this than you think. Trump was already accused of sexual assault of a young girl in the company of Epstein a while back. The girl dropped her complaint out of fear. Perhaps we’ll hear from her again now the SDNY is on the case or her photo is contained in the files seized from Epstein’s mansion. Trump was also seen frequenting Epstein’s NY house by witnesses. I doubt it was for poetry readings. In addition to infamously singing Epstein’s praises back in 2002, Trump also admitted during an on air interview with Howard Stern that he was a sexual predator.
    I am surprised Trump didn’t throw Acosta under the bus already. To the contrary, he’s standing by him and claiming Acosta’s a great guy. At least he’s now claiming he’s no longer a fan of Epstein. I’m sure he prudently dropped Epstein like a hot potato once he was first indicted. I’m waiting for Trump to deny ever meeting him or claiming he was just a coffee boy any day now.
    On another front, Trump’s allies are not happy with the DOJIG interview with Steele. After 16 hours of questioning, the IG investigators found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. The IG probed Steele’s extensive work on Russian interference efforts outside his dossier, his intelligence-collection methods and his findings about Carter Page and came away believing him.

  21. robt willmann says:

    The timing of the arrest of Epstein is indeed fascinating. The indictment which was of course unsealed yesterday, 8 July, shows a filing date of 2 July 2019, which was last week Tuesday. The search warrant on his residence was executed shortly after he was arrested on 6 July. That search warrant had to be supported by an affidavit containing recent information showing that evidence relating to a particular crime should be found there. An affidavit cannot have “stale” or out-of-date information in it; if it does, the warrant is no good and the evidence gathered can be excluded from a trial. So, the search warrant affidavit should be interesting in itself.
    As an outside observer, the only explanations that make sense about the absurd plea bargain agreement from 2007-2008 are that it was the result of either bribery, or an order that came down from someone above Alex Acosta in the heirarchy at the Department of Justice, and he followed orders. Or maybe both. The excuse that the federal Justice Department cowed down just because there were some experienced lawyers representing the defendant is not credible.
    Another observation is that Jeffrey Epstein has been and is a front man for an organization or organizations, that could be governmental, private, or both.

  22. Mark Logan says:

    Whatever it was it was a fool’s wages.

  23. Fred says:

    You are right about the storyline/narrative in the making. Christine Beasley Ford, the sequal. There are other reports out in the press that Trump had Epstein banned from Mar-a-Lago after his conduct there. Sounds like Walrus’ comments on a prior thread about the truly rich having their own folks investigate people before they get involved socially are accurate regarding Trump. He’s be active in NYC, charity and entertainment circles for decades. I’m sure he’s seen this kind of stuff destroy people many times.

  24. Bill Wade says:

    I couldn’t agree more, with the presiding judge being a Clinton appointee and one of the prosecutors being Comey’s daughter, it’s the US Justice Department on trial as much as it is Epstein.

  25. Eric Newhill says:

    This article paints a little bit different picture. If the article is accurate, New York high society is apparently more degenerate than the movers and shakers that Walrus apparently knows.
    “Why was Epstein so easily rehabilitated? He was smart. Attractive. Rich. And that is a potent combination. As David Patrick Columbia, editor of New York Social Diary, explained it for the Times: “A jail sentence doesn’t matter anymore. The only thing that gets you shunned in New York society is poverty.”

  26. Morongobill says:

    In my opinion, there should be a RICO charge also against Epstein. I’d like to see him get out of prison one day and take an Uber to his singlewide mobile mansion.

  27. Fred says:

    “The girl dropped her complaint out of fear.”
    So the example of Hilary running for office didn’t giver her the courage to come forward;
    the “grab ‘m by the p****y” scandal didn’t giver her the courage to come forward;
    the pink hats at inauguration didn’t giver her the courage to come forward;
    the example of Christine Beasley Ford didn’t give her the courage to come forward;
    the example of Stormy Daniels didn’t give her the courage to come forward; but hey, SDNY is on the case! – of just this one girl, not the others that were not of concern to kindly grandmother and FIFA scandal investigator Loretta Lynch or her Fast and Furious predecessor. Or their boss; or his predecessor. Thank goodness for prosecutors from the Empire State! There is definitely a new sheriff in town, not at all like that Sheriff of Wall Street, Eliot Spitzer.I wonder if Epstein has a photo of him from back in his good Democrat days?
    “After 16 hours of questioning, the IG investigators found Steele’s testimony credible and even surprising. ”
    I believe Ms. Ford was touted as credible too. Has all that testimony leaked out already?

  28. J says:

    Colonel, TTG,
    From what I can gather, several high levels are getting real nervous, and rumblings that Epstein’s time on this planet may be shortened because of it. Nothing more dangerous than scared/nervous power players who have the real deal ability to reach out and touch someone. There are quite a few connect-the-dots to world and state power players that stretch around the globe.
    What I find interesting on a side note is Mueller’s past association with Epstein.

  29. turcopolier says:

    It appears that Epstein is a faux hedge fund manager. So, where does/did the money come from? Robert Willman suggested that the most interesting question about this creep is who or what he really represents.

  30. Eric Newhill says:

    Should add – Kenneth Star. The powerful lawyer backed Epstein.
    Kenneth Star is unable to obtain info about people and doesn’t realize the problem of the association? Ken Star the special prosecutor from Whitewater? Really? Dershowitz, another legal powerhouse, is just bumbling through life unable to discern between decent people and bad guys and has no access to information?
    I think that Walrus just took my comment personally and didn’t like the idea that his class contains a degenerate element that enjoys the debauched company of the Epsteins of the world.

  31. Fred,
    If, after interviewing Steele for sixteen hours, anyone professes to find him credible, then in my view they are either fools or knaves – if not both. Having once been involved – successfully I hasten to add – in a protracted libel case in relation to a programme I made, I can easily see many lines of questioning to which he could quite clearly not have provided a satisfactory answer.
    The cover-up of the circumstances of the life and death of the late Alexander Litvinenko, which Steele was instrumental in orchestrating, is a matter I have discussed on and off here on SST. I now have a ‘smoking gun’ – it is clear there were honest detectives in Counter Terrorism Command, who got fed up with the lies he was mass producing (as is his wont).
    The maps they produced purporting to show Litvinenko’s movements on the day Steele claimed he was poisoned were craftily constructed, so as to pretend to support the cover-up, while actually blowing it apart. It was done very ingeniously, with a sense of humour. More on this, I hope, shortly.
    A very interesting question however arises as to how the Reuters report by Mark Hosenball which is the source of TTG’s claim, originated, and what its implications are.
    (See .)
    According to the report:
    ‘One of the two sources said Horowitz’s investigators appear to have found Steele’s information sufficiently credible to have to extend the investigation. Its completion date is now unclear.’
    In fact, however one interpreted Steele’s claims, it would be extremely likely that what he said would have provided good grounds to ‘extend the investigation.’
    All kinds of interpretations are, rather obviously, possible.
    It could turn out that Horowitz is part of what is by now quite clearly a conspiracy to subvert the constitutional order in the United States. How people can continue to defend this, without calling in to question their ability to understand what a ‘constitutional republic’ means, has come rather to defeat me.
    But then, Horowitz could be playing different sides. It might be convenient to disseminate a story which was partly disinformation, in order to gain time to pursue investigations undisturbed. Or, people concerned to put a ‘gloss’ or ‘spin’ favourable to Steele might have been those who leaked to the media.
    Obviously, my hypotheses reflect my conviction that Steele is a form of pond life – the ‘scum’, rather than the ‘dregs’ of society – born in part out of experience with superannuated Cambridge and Oxford student politicians of his kind.
    There may be other interpretations, for which a serious case can be made, more favourable to him.
    But to take the Hosenball report at face value is really not sensible.

  32. R says:

    Les Wexner for one; the E 71st street residence in NY is the tip of the iceberg: Wexner purchased the house in the 1980s and it was owned by an Epstein-Wexner joint trust until 2011 when ownership was transferred to Maple Inc, a US Virgin Islands company controlled by Epstein.

  33. Jack says:

    Yup. More than meets the eye here. I’m curious when & how Epstein made his billions. No one that I know in the hedge fund world has ever heard of his trades!! Nor does it seem there is any reporting on that.
    Only reporting that I’ve seen is on his partner who was sentenced to 20 years for fraud. He skated then too.

  34. Charlie Wlson says:

    The article is inaccurate.
    He is a jew. Hence, easy rehabilitation.

  35. turcopolier says:

    It doesn’t have to be a US government agency. Bill’s close association with this t–d raises questions in light of his Marc Rich pardon caper.

  36. Fred says:

    Thats a piece from the Democratic Defense Club. I notice the author of that piece has only two other Salon articles, both hitjobs on Trump.

  37. Fred says:

    You mean Walrus realizes people are human, even the wealthy.

  38. Jack says:

    I’m most curious about the question you pose. I know many people in the NYC hedge fund world and no one has heard of any winning trades by him, let alone any trading activity. There’s more than meets the eye related to the question of his “wealth:.

  39. turcopolier says:

    I suspect that he is an asset of some foreign government and handled their money as Rich did.

  40. Epstein was originally funded by Deutsche Bank. I have no idea how much it was and if it was just a one time deal. DB definitely has a shady side. When I was retiring, a couple of friends and I were negotiating for a cybersecurity contract with them. My primary contribution was to assess the people we were dealing with. I told my buddies we should run. I got the feeling we could be left holding the bag if anything went sideways. We never regretted my assessment and recommendation.

  41. Flavius says:

    We haven’t seen anything yet of which I’m aware to allow for a determination of what led to Epstein’s serial abuses getting revisited. I very much doubt that it was a political appointee new to the system who came into the job while harboring a determination to right a wrong if given the chance. I think it more likely that it’s a bottom up initiative, a witness having developed as a result of having gotten jammed up in another case and offering up a bigger fish, a newspaper story, new victims coming to light as a result of civil process, the review process prior to releasing the disclosure materials triggering outrage, something along these orders. Whatever it was, once the case was underway, in the era of #MeToo and with new political appointees in place, there would be no stopping it.
    It will be interesting to see who will be the ultimate targets. It was a travesty that in the original case Epstein was the only person charged, unless I missed something. It’s obvious that there had been a facilitating organization that he was running and boatloads of cash coming and going. No curiosity about that?
    The prediction here is that Epstein will offer to cooperate sooner rather than later. It would not surprise me at all if hasn’t already been given the opportunity and wanted to wait to see what cards the government was holding, try to figure out who from his old team had turned and were witnesses against him.
    A big question now is that if and when he does cooperate, what kind of corroborative materials he would be able to bring along with him to bolster the victim testimony which will be recollections of abuse from women when they were adolescents that happened quite a while ago.
    The indictment forecloses on any opportunity to use Epstein actively; and what kind of deal do you offer to this guy anyway who right now appears to be the principal malefactor in order to get to others, culpable users of his scheme surely, but not integral to his organization per se, largely because they are newsworthy figures of one sort or another. Not an easy call, but I would argue Epstein should take a major hit even if it means risking not getting his cooperation.

  42. ted richard says:

    if you ask around the trading desk in nyc epstein and his org is unknown. how is it a billionaire finance guy is unknown on the trading desks?
    because his fortune did not come from trading or investment or anything typically understood to be finance related.
    perhaps epstein and his sexual predilections was a way for….say… the mossad…….. to aggregate wealthy powerful and political figures into revealing the stuff needed to control them in the future as favors are needed.
    whats is a service like that IF epstein was indeed just a pimp for the deviant………worth?
    how many billions to have a file on a who’s who of international power would you pay?

  43. Eric Newhill says:

    I think you’re missing the point – which is that Epstein was connected to many wealthy movers and shakers in New York society and, indeed, globally.
    Walrus says that the movers and shakers he knows would never be so stupid and crass as to associate with the likes of Epstein. I’ll take Walrus at his word, but, apparently, he doesn’t know the subset of movers and shakers that do associate with the likes of Epstein, to include people that would have access to info such that they would understand Epstein’s reputation and predilections. In fact, the article suggests that NY society knew and didn’t care, which is contrary to what Walrus asserts.
    I don’t normally read Salon because it is typically globalist garbage. As I read the article I linked to, it’s not a hit on Trump. Rather it is a hit on all of NY high society. They readily accepted Epstein back into their fold after his conviction in Florida. They knew who he was prior to the conviction as well.
    Bottom line, NY society as well as global players, that should know better, did not exercise discretion in their association with Epstein. Walrus think that is inconceivable, but there it is and we will learn more names from the upper echelons who were involved in the weeks and months to come.

  44. rho says:

    Zerohedge linked to the theory of some twitter user which sounds quite plausible to me:
    In short, Epstein’s hedge fund may just have been a front to collect hush money (masked as “management fees”, which for hedge funds are usually 2% of the total value of assets under management in any given year) from very rich people that he entrapped in his alleged underage women prostitution scheme.

  45. Eric Newhill says:

    Would a foreign govt really utilize someone with Epstein’s life style to handle their money?
    The guy doesn’t exactly fly under the radar. It was only a matter of time before he was busted. Seems highly irresponsible and stupid of whichever government(s).

  46. Eric Newhill says:

    Nobody knows what Epstein is really worth. The $billions figure comes from a single source; a stipulation in his original trial. He would say what his worth was and the prosecutors asked “$billions?” and E’s lawyers said “sure”. That’s it.
    He manages money held in off-shore accounts. Forbes thinks he has a fraction of that.
    The guy is a sleazy con artist. He’s probably happy to have people think he has way more than he does for various reasons.

  47. Eric Newhill says:

    Yeah. I guess so. I misread what Walrus wrote. It seemed he was disagreeing with me because of how he wrote it and because he bothered to write it at all, yet we were saying the same thing.
    The high flying people on Epstein’s guest registry knew who they were associating with and chose to go ahead anyhow.

  48. Outrage Beyond says:

    Pollard was an amateur. Is Epstein the professional?
    Some will recall the name “mega” surfacing during and after the Pollard contretemps. An as-yet unidentified Israeli spy operating at a high level.
    Now consider the following quote:
    “Epstein, who recently loaned his jet to President Clinton, is usually seen in the company of Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of deceased publishing tycoon Robert Maxwell. After Maxwell fell or was pushed off his yacht in 1991, it was revealed that he was working for the Israeli government and the Mossad, the Israeli Intelligence service. While Maxwell’s ties to the Mossad are well-documented, Epstein’s connections are less well known. The London Sunday Times quoted a New York social observer describing Epstein as follows: “He’s Mr. Enigmatic. Nobody knows whether he’s a concert pianist, property developer, a CIA agent, a math teacher or a member of Mossad.” New York Magazine claims Epstein is the man who moves Wexner’s billions around the globe.
    Wexner’s philanthropic side is more public. In 1998, the Wall Street Journal reported that Wexner was part of the “‘Mega Group,’ a loosely organized club of 20 of the nation’s wealthiest and most influential Jewish businessmen.” The Mega Group meets purportedly to discuss “philanthropy,” but others have speculated that their charitable interests are often a cover for lobbying activities on behalf of Israel.”
    This could be entirely coincidental. Or is Epstein (or Wexner) mega? It sure looks like his operation was all about getting kompromat for Mossad. Whether that comes out with any veracity remains to be seen.

  49. Jack says:

    I believe you are on to something. At least Marc Rich was an oil trader. With Epstein there doesn’t seem to be any information on his trading activity. Would a foreign government or intelligence agency keep a depraved loose cannon as an asset? I suppose his role was not money management but blackmail or something more nefarious. Could this foreign government be our “staunchest ally” in the ME?

  50. Eric Newhill says:

    This whole thing reads to me like Steele dossier meets Kavanaugh accusers.
    I’m calling BS on it.
    There’s a sleazy guy named Epstein who is most likely not a billionaire, who likes teenage girls,who “manages” money for some hyper wealthy individuals’ off shore accounts and who hobnobs with the nouveau riche. Some of the wayward teens, now in their early 30s, whose lives, unsurprisingly haven’t turned out well, are leveling accusations. That’s it. That’s all that’s known.
    The rest is all a media fantasy at this point.

  51. turcopolier says:

    Epstein’s victims were all goyim and a lot of
    blacks among them.

  52. fanto says:

    in Germany it is easy, see the case of Michel Friedman, (use of cocain, Ukrainian sex slaves) and now again a noble media and establishment figure –

  53. ex-PFC Chuck says:

    The Twitter stream linked up-thread by rho seems plausible as a description of the “business model” of his “hedge fund.” Here’s the link again for convenience:

  54. optimax says:

    There’s more about the Mega Group in this LaRouche website before 9/11. I know, LaRouche had some crazy ideas but this article is well referenced and jibes with other sources. Seymour Hersh claimed Epstein was Mossad.

  55. LG says:

    “We haven’t seen anything yet of which I’m aware to allow for a determination of what led to Epstein’s serial abuses getting revisited.”
    An important figure pushing for the re-opening of the case is Mike Cernovich. He along with Breitbart are the main cheerleaders for the conviction- the draining of the swamp. They are Trump’s mouthpieces who talk directly to his base. I believe the Trump admin is completely supporting the re-trial. AG Barr’s father had to leave the posh school where he had worked asa principal for a decade, soon after he employed college dropout Epstein as a Math teacher. The guy who replaced barr Sr was a pedo (perhaps appointed with Epstein) and left under a cloud. I think there is some personal revenge angle here as well.

  56. LG says:

    I don’t agree. The sleazy guy didn’t use the girls for his own pleasure alone. Instead, I think the girls were being groomed for entrapping imp figures for blackmail. The money and the billionaire lifestyle (with no known source of income) provided the context in which he could meet the powerful and the famous. He was set up by the Wexner and others in mega group. Why else should wexner entrust his money to a college dropout maths school teacher, who was later thrown out of a minor job at a hedge fund for malpractice? Sometimes things are as obvious as they seem. If you have a bunch of openly pro-Izzie types (Wexner, maxwell) associated with such a setup, then you can safely conclude what they are after.

  57. walrus says:

    With great respect “New York Society” is a very malleable term. Which “society” do you mean? The gay one? The business movers and shakers? The fashion one? The celebrity one? The old money aristocracy? The liberal jewish one? There are hundreds of versions of What society includes.
    My point was the observation that the really wealthy are very careful who they associate with and have the means of making inquiries before they accept invitations like Epsteins. If people actually sought out his company on numerous protracted occasions, it’s a little difficult for them to say they didn’t know what was going on.
    For the record, I don’t move in such rich circles, I have merely been permitted to observe on occasion.

  58. J says:

    Mossad honey trap operation.

  59. Barbara Ann says:

    Outrage Beyond
    The link optimax provides below (and reproduced here) to an EIR (LaRouche) piece on “Mega” is very interesting. It pulls a lot of this together and seems to be the main source for your linked article. The title quote; “‘Mega’ was not an agent, Mega was the boss” refers to the NYC-based Mega Group of Jewish billionaires (incl. Wexner) who actually run the show. Epstein’s operation looks to me like an subsidiary SPV to manufacture kompromat, as you say.
    The EIR piece is frustratingly lacking in links/citations, but the crucial one backing up this quote does check out (link below). I have taken the liberty of saving it into the Internet Archive in case it now ‘disappears’ due to the publicity. The author refers to Mega Group as “the Megabucks” and describes an interesting twist on the traditional Mossad-run Z0G narrative. He asserts that they are actually out for themselves and influence/buy politics in Israeli every bit as much as in the US to further their own ends. Israel to them is merely a useful tool. From the article:
    Israel for them is only a means to Jewish unity, on a par with the Holocaust propaganda. The idea is to keep Jews together, away from hanging with other folks. The heads of the American Jewish community need it, as they have a fair chance to find themselves without soldiers, all chiefs, and no Indians.
    EIR quotes the WSJ article (paywall) saying Wexner and Charles Bronfman founded the Mega Group in 1991. Charles’ brother; Edgar Bronfman is also listed as a member. I came across someone on reddit) saying that Hillary basically handed over Libya to the Bronfmans. Edgar’s daughter Sara and her husband; Basit Igtet ( appear to have run the coup (see their wikis on Libya). Basit is coincidentally chairman of an energy co. now looking to exploit Libyan oil and apparently had/has ambitions to become president.
    It may be antisemitic to characterize Jews as power-hungry money-obsessed world dominators, but this group sure seem to fit the characterization rather well.

  60. Eric Newhill says:

    Got it. My apologies for the confusion. I’m with you. The captains of industry I grew up with would have never associated with an Epstein. I think that this is a nouveau riche phenomenon.

  61. Eric Newhill says:

    What proof is there of the grooming and entrapping?

  62. Eric Newhill says:

    One of the problems I have with this story is that allegedly someone like Dershowitz was involved. Dershowitz, with his extensive background defending and understanding criminal minds, would allow himself to be compromised by someone who, as you say, was a known offender. Dershowitz, as famous and wealthy as he is – and being a Harvard prof – could get all the young p***y that he wants. Yet, he attends orgies put on by Epstein?
    What you say is true, but it cuts both ways.
    And if the Dershowtiz part of the story is false, then what other aspects of the story are false, or at least hyperbole?

  63. Roy G says:

    Although I have heard the lore of ‘Mega’ being a USG mole, I have to admit this is the first time I’ve heard this explanation. The Mega Group surely merits investigation into their activities.

  64. optimax says:

    I wonder if the same is true about Weinstein, have never researched his victims ancestory.

  65. PRC90 says:

    Trump is a very smart and ruthless SOB, but his ill fated Inaugural Address declaration of war on the Swamp demonstrated that his sense of time and timing was off at least at the start of his Presidency. By now, years later, his enemies will have taught him well and he will return the favor.
    Lawfare ? It sounds good, until the voters figure out that some of it is nothing more than abuse of the legal system in the pursuit of the corrupt by the corrupt, or until African National Congress lawyers begin offering their services pro bono.
    Certainly whatever Barr produces will be levered against the DNC to the last ounce of weight by the pro Trump media, although to be effective it must be configured to match the attributes of the eventual candidate – the best will be saved until last. Dear old Joe, on his merits, need not worry about that.
    I think the DNC will have a clean out of anyone who has ever stood within a mile of even possible witnesses in Barr’s proceedings. Changing their brand will prove far harder – there will be no New DNC copy of Blair’s 1990’s era New Labour, and the GOP’s intent will be , as you say, to hit the Dem’s brand as much as hit the final candidate.
    The idiocy of the Strzok-Page texts illustrates once again the throwing of caution to the wind when victory is assured – I suspect neither had ever in their pasts received a hit big enough to foster instinctive caution against the speed at which the world can unravel around them. Well, they do now !

  66. harry says:

    All fascinating stuff about very important open questions

  67. Charlie Wilson says:

    I think at any one time you will find most members of Mega in Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter, Florida trying to get it wholesale. It’s a genetic disorder.

  68. BraveNewWorld says:

    “>We haven’t seen anything yet of which I’m aware to allow for a determination of what led to Epstein’s serial abuses getting revisited.”
    Two things. First is a judge working on a civil suite filed by one of the victims looking at the plea deal determined Acosta broke broke the law with the plea deal by not informing the victims. I believe that lead to the deal being vacated and a bunch of the documentation being made public.
    The reporting by the Miami Herald which ticked all the check boxes buttons for going viral .

  69. Anon says:

    The Weinstein Epstein clintstein operation is in full swing being run by a bunch of breitbart whiteys desperate to keep trump and pence in power.trump himself probably has no idea what and whom is pushing his golf buggy along but he is enjoying the ride.notice how Steve bannon and co. have quietly slunk away into the shadows.This is a defensive move,not offensive,and clearly shows what is to come.kushner is in charge of the Israel desk,so that distraction is out of the way.opposition has now been blocked.With that under control along with the evangelical faction the trump admin has neutered all opposition from Jewish power by sweetening the Israel biscuit .bibi just needs to hold on.The main game though is white american power and the future of the country and to some extent European power as well.Clearly these structures of white power are being challenged by India and China and to some extent Latin america and the middle east.Both China and India lack oil resources and have large populations and sooner rather than later will mobilize there armies to stake there claims.Trump went to england to make his case or was he summoned to england to get some friendly advice and direction.This is what will decide the path ahead.Whoever tried to play the Russians off against the us and UK is in for a mighty mighty big surprise.Because it failed sulieman.

  70. J says:

    Appears Mossad and the Israeli Government are hard at work burying or trying to bury the fact that Epstein affair is an Mossad Israeli Government run and sanctioned Mossad Pedophile Blackmail Honey Trap designed to ensnare political, business, and influential for Israeli Government and Mossad benefit.

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