Not a Gentleman …

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Is it not clear?   A gentleman never speaks publicly and adversely about a woman's appearance.  This is especially true if she is an enemy.  pl

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99 Responses to Not a Gentleman …

  1. Chris in South Jersey says:

    I think that fact was established early on. He has finally (?) hit a low so low that even his supporters are crying foul.

  2. ambrit says:

    Sorry to say but the person responsible for the offending remarks did not run as a “gentleman.” Indeed, I would go so far as to say that he ran as an “anti-gentleman.” Somehow, he won the contest. Crassness has been temporarily enshrined at the top.
    Personally, if I had been caught doing something similar, Mom would have given me the “back of her hand,” and then handed me over to Dad.

  3. BabelFish says:

    I would hope that by now no one is surprised by these eruptions. That is not to condone them in any way. But I do have pity for the Democrats and their ‘Resistance’, thinking that this makes any difference to his supporters and/or strengthens their chances in the 2018 elections.

  4. Degringolade says:

    Colonel:
    It has been a while since I have seen someone in the White House who I would consider a true gentleman. Last one I would give that title to was Pappy Bush.
    I don’t think even Trump considers himself a gentleman.

  5. wisedupearly says:

    71 years old and nothing to show for it other than a rather long list of regrettable habits.
    Rich? Yes, but does wealth make the Powerball winner a genius?

  6. David E. Solomon says:

    Ah, but who would describe Trump as a gentleman?

  7. Eric Newhill says:

    Sir,
    Couldn’t agree more.
    Now we have to define “woman”,Rosie O’Donnell? Caitlyn Jenner?

  8. Bill Herschel says:

    The subsequent post is so important that a comment here seems ridiculously irrelevant, but, quickly.
    He doesn’t drink. He lives in a world in which drugs are everywhere. All the uppers especially and including antidepressants (SSRI’s) are addictive, reduce libido (his misogyny betrays a lack of libido), and disinhibiting. If he is using adderall or cocaine, he’s going to be disabled before his term ends and Congress will have to decide a path better than his being dragged out of the White House in strait jacket, drooling and incoherent, to promote the Vice President. Good luck.

  9. semiconscious says:

    ‘a gentleman’
    yep. there, indeed, lies the problem 🙂 …

  10. Hood Canal Gardner says:

    Come on Pat, the guy has a toilet mouth/was raised/dropped that way. Women one day, foreigners the next, neighbors the third. Folks best not be distracted by his chirping..keep their hands on their nuts at this point forward.

  11. Old Gun Pilot says:

    The man is not well.

  12. Warpig says:

    Truly, barely even can be called a man.

  13. Wrxally says:

    Sir, chivalry is long dead and women killed it. The USA does not need a gentleman, but a forceful man to take care of the mess Washington has become. Seems too many people are more worried about manners and appearances, even when the stakes are so high. Trump was not elected to be gentle, but to be forceful. Also, nobody is talking about the Trump-Putin meeting that was announced on the same day, or about healthcare. To me it seems like Trump is a master at diverting attention. I could not care less about that demon-spawn Mika being insulted about her appearance. I thought she was a feminist of some sort. Women either have equality or special treatment, you can´t have it both ways.

  14. Le Renard Subtil says:

    Good point and I do not disagree, but has not the code of chivalry changed over the past five decades?

  15. Swami says:

    A gentleman never speaks publicly and adversely about a woman’s appearance.
    Fixed it for you.

  16. turcopolier says:

    Swami
    What was wrong with it before and how did you “fix it?” pl

  17. turcopolier says:

    All
    Perhaps we should drag women around by the hair and operate by grabbing their crotches. Trump likes that approach. Some of you people remind me of all the managerial women who have chewed my ass over the years for holding a door or chair for them. Chivalry? Chivalry? Do you even understand the word? This is not about chivalry. It is about common norms of decency by which people can live with each other without resorting to violence and brute strength. Many of you have been corrupted by the debased culture of 21st Century America. You remind me of the European fools who voted in the dictators of the 20th Century. They, too, wanted a “strong man” to solve their problems. As for Mika and Joe, they are as repulsive in their own NY City political culture as is Trump. And yes, I consider Truman to have been a gentleman. pl l

  18. Master Slacker says:

    Suggest you show this thread to SWMBO and discover her thoughts on the “fix.”

  19. Croesus says:

    Ah, yes, feminism.
    Therein lies the ‘plaint.
    When women are aggressive, “empowered” and masculine, men, even gentlemen may feel the need to be even more aggressive to defend their manhood.
    For Mary, “Son, they have no wine” got the job done without a display of female testosterone.

  20. turcopolier says:

    Master Slacker
    I have lived with her for 54 years. She thinks he is unfit for office. Both of us think that. We have been driven to that position by his utterances. pl

  21. turcopolier says:

    Croesus
    Only weak men feel threatened by women. pl

  22. David E. Solomon says:

    Colonel Lang,
    I have always held doors open for women and quite often for men. Now that I am old and more decrepit and on crutches full time, all sorts of people hold doors open for me. A little civility on the part of everyone would go a long way toward solving our myriad national problems.
    Regards,
    David

  23. Arei says:

    “SWMBO”..love it

  24. Eric Newhill says:

    Croesus,
    I am with Col. Lang on this. Trump is a complete boor and, even though I still prefer him to the other options that were available, I wish he was not as he is.
    If a woman has entered what used to be a man’s world and is acting poorly herself, then go after her on substantial points. No need to delve into the ugliness and be a total juvenile jackass.

  25. turcopolier says:

    Arei
    You must be very new here if that is surprising to you. pl

  26. turcopolier says:

    David E Solomon
    Yes, of course, women and men are the same. I hadn’t noticed that. pl

  27. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I recall one time the Shah of Iran quoting a poem: “the moon shines as the dog barks”.
    My great aunt of ours was offended: “He is the Shah, he should show more decorum and not use that kind of language” – she asserted.
    May she be well wherever she might be now.

  28. georgeg says:

    Should we also not condone the vile remarks made by that other MSNBC hostess (Rachel Maddow)…..

  29. turcopolier says:

    georgeg
    “condone?” I condone no “vile remarks.” pl

  30. eakens says:

    As the saying goes, common sense is not so common.

  31. swami says:

    You have to view it in HTML mode…

  32. mike says:

    My father passed away over 35 years ago. But he would rise out of the grave and thrash my back to ribbons if I ever failed to tip my hat to or open the door for a woman, or spoke rudely of her. No exceptions for harridans or whores or the hideous. All were to be treated like ladies.
    I too have had an ass-chewing for holding a door for a ‘modern’ woman. And I get the strangest looks when doffing my hat to a woman on the street. Only a very few nowadays acknowledge it with a smile. Most ignore it. But why should I stop? Perhaps it will set a trend.

  33. Donald says:

    I grew tired of Madow’s mindless partisanship last year and stopped watching her. I never watched her that much, but don’t recall ever hearing her say something gross in the way Trump does. She is in my opinion a destructive influence on our political culture like most TV hosts– you just don’t see much intelligent conversation anywhere. But I am confused about the claim that she is vile if you mean the sort of nastiness Trump engages in.
    Didn’t seem like her style. Shallow partisan silliness is her schtick.

  34. BillWade says:

    When Clinton called me a deplorable it only hardened my resolve to vote otherwise. When a CNN associate producer says, “the voters are stupid as “sh$t” and “Trump is a clown”, I just laugh because it only recalls my delight in watching Wolf Blitzer squirm uncomfortably on election night.
    My opinion is that the MSM started the feud and Trump will finish it. I guess they could call a truce, no? The whole country is vulgar now and younger women seem to be leading the charge with strange colored hair, piercings, and tats.

  35. steve g says:

    To mangle a Forrest Gumpism
    “Repulsive is as Repulsive does”
    When Jesse “the body” V assumed
    the governorship most thought he
    would lose the feather boa wrestling
    persona and get down to do the people’s
    work. Well that didn’t quite work out
    because like Potus his skin was micro
    thin even labeling the journalists covering
    him “media jackels ” even though he was
    a product of the media. Circus Maximas!

  36. LeeG says:

    Chivalry and Trump’s lack of empathy basic manners are two totally separate topics.

  37. turcopolier says:

    billWade
    I am here as a gadfly, a Diogenes the Cynic character. I will continue to remind of what people ought to be. pl

  38. Babak Makkinejad says:

    You cannot be serious:
    “Your new dress is very becoming; its color matches your lovely eyes.”

  39. Arei says:

    I am neither, only amused at the reference

  40. different clue says:

    BabelFish,
    The so-called ” #TheResistance” was a very early-on pre-emptive move by the Clintonite forces to get out ahead of the disappointment parade and corral all the unhappy-with-Trump people into supporting a Clinton Restoration . . . to place Her Imperious Herness upon the “throne” which she and they still feel to be rightfully hers.
    In reply to which I have offered a few possible Twitter-launchable hashtags here and there in case anyone wants to use them and see if they can start trending bigly. And they are . . .
    #NotOneMoreClinton
    #NeverEver
    #NotMyResistance

  41. Dante Alighieri says:

    I’m so shocked. Donald Trump is not a gentleman. Changes my whole opinion about ihm. Sad!

  42. Eric Newhill says:

    Mike,
    My father was the same and would do the same.
    I find that generally even power women up the corporate food chain are pleasantly surprised when I open and hold an office door or open the car door. Once in a while I encounter a hard case feminist that gets insulted. I just reply that I didn’t mean to offend and it’s just a habit I can’t break. Sometimes they get it and sometimes they don’t. If they can’t handle it, it’s their problem. But mostly, I find that old fashioned gentlemanly manner are appreciative. Sometimes they even become flattered and think my behavior is the result of being attracted to them. They seem to like that a lot. Puts a smile on their faces. Which brightens my day too.
    And you’re right, IMO. It doesn’t matter if she’s a tattooed stripper, a tom boy type, the cleaning woman, a lawyer or executive.
    I don’t do the hat thing though. I always kind of liked the way it looks when done with the subdued flourish, but I just don’t wear hats enough for it to have become a habit. And when I do, I usually have terrible hat hair.
    The most difficult gentleman manner to accomplish these day is assisting a woman to be seated at a table by pulling the chair back for her and then nudging back in place once she is seated. I always attempt to do that for my wife, but I guess it’s so rarely done anymore that the wait staff thinks I’m trying to seat myself instead and they get all discombobulated and menus, etc start getting rearranged in confused fashion before the move can be fully executed.

  43. different clue says:

    Bill Herschel,
    Most of the Congress would prefer a President Pence. Most of the Democrats in Congress would prefer a President Pence. He is one of them.
    He is their kind.
    Pence is an Interventionist Borgite in the Clintonite mold except for some important cultural policy attitude differences.
    I would prefer keeping Trump right there for his whole term than getting a President Pence.

  44. VietnamVet says:

    Colonel,
    The real question is how in the world did this nincompoop ever get elected President? It is never mention in the media. It is discussed here, thank god. To my mind, all of the reasons boil down to two; the never ending wars that now include Russia as an enemy and austerity.

  45. steve says:

    IOW we can be sure that Trump will seek to lower himself to the level of anyone who criticizes him. That stuff said by people we have never heard of before (associate producer? Really?) will justify anything he says. Not good leadership.
    Steve

  46. Keith Harbaugh says:

    Personally, I absolutely deplore Trump’s comments about Mika.
    His comments were in response to some of hers and her colleague,
    but that does not justify his response.
    He really should learn to leave it to others to answer such comments as theirs.
    But it is worth noting how important the MSM considers the issue.
    It is at this moment the lead story at the WaPo website
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/06/30/mika-brzezinski-on-trumps-twitter-attack-it-does-worry-me-about-the-country/
    and the number two story (I believe a moment ago it was number one) at the NYT:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/30/us/mika-brzezinski-trump-tweets.html

  47. turcopolier says:

    keith Harbaugh
    He will never grow up. He is defective. pl

  48. turcopolier says:

    steve
    “Not good leadership. Steve” Profound. You must be European. pl

  49. turcopolier says:

    All
    My dad was an ex-enlisted horse cavalryman. He was a troop first sergeant in the 26th regiment in PI. He eventually retired as a LTC but he had a lot of aphorisms about women that TTG will find familiar from “hanging” with SOG types: 1. Most women look better with some clothes on.(I never agreed with that) 2. If you are interested in a woman pay some attention to her and then ignore her. It drives them nuts. 3. A gentleman never refuses a lady. (I liked that one) pl

  50. Nancy K says:

    My husband always opens doors for me and I am very appreciative. I think most women appreciate a gentleman and if they don’t, they deserve what they end up with. I don’t believe Trump is a gentleman when it comes to women in general.

  51. Nancy K says:

    Col Lang, I agree with your father on all 3 points.

  52. turcopolier says:

    Dante Alighieri
    I have actually heard of The Inferno. I must have found a copy in a barber shop. Which circle did you escape from or are you just a refugee from Limbo. Catholic reference. I am here to remind of standards I think appropriate. you should not think that I thought DJT is a “chevalier sans reproche.” pl

  53. turcopolier says:

    nancy K
    I’ll try to remember some of his other “dichos” about this. Interesting guy, he spoke Tagalog and Spanish learned the hard way. Oh, yes, he said the best way to learn a language was to get a “long haired dictionary.” pl

  54. Karl Kolchak says:

    Eh–his war crimes matter more to me than insulting some vacuous talk show host. Obama and Bush were supposedly gentlemen, but still would be hung if there ever is an American Nuremberg Tribunal.

  55. Dr.Puck says:

    My original amatuer opinion remains unaltered by new reports of Trump’s behavioral habits. Still, if he is using drugs in a non-clinical regimen, he would be considered to have a “dual diagnosis.”

  56. wisedupearly says:

    Chivalry? I have always seen chivalry as strength of self-respect. The gentleman holds the door open even for the unlovable because to fail to do so indicates a failure in self control.
    The gentleman never makes the effort needed to realize self control obvious to others because that is boorishness.
    The gentleman never acts in expectation of reward. That is what children do.
    Some would hold that gentlemen must act “without thinking”. I disagree.
    I would say “A gentleman must act so that it seems completely natural and automatic.”

  57. optimax says:

    “… and then nudging back in place once she is seated.” It only works if the woman is under a certain weight, or, if she’s too hefty to nudge, she helps.
    I also like to open the car door for a woman.
    I use to power walk some busy streets and when I approached a crosswalk frequently I heard the doors lock in women’s cars. Some black men consider it a sign of racism when it happens to them but I always thought to myself, “I’m glad the sight of me reminded you to lock your door. Stay safe, woman.”

  58. mike says:

    Eric –
    The smiles are worth it. I’m old and wrinkled and ugly but have noticed that extreme courtesy seems to work in that regard.
    Try the hat tip thing sometime. I generally only wear a cap when out doing a daily walk. Lots of lady joggers or walkers out there so I never do the full Sir Walter Raleigh flourish – sometimes just a small touch to the brim and tip it back. That is what my father did most of the time, he only took his fedora off completely when introduced, but even that was done low-key and subtly. He would save the full flourish for Mom’s mother, sisters and aunts or their friends. They loved it.

  59. Bobo says:

    Poor Donald, he missed his calling as he was enlisted in the family business the dog eat dog world of NY Real Estate which seems to create an edge and a sensitivity to what others think. He certainly is a Gentleman when he wants to be but when he comes across an individual who castigates him constantly-Katie Bar the Door- he retorts quite rapidly and sharply. I think the only falsehood in his tweet to Mika was the part of low IQ which I’m sure he was in error there. I certainly do not condone his style and try to maintain my own standard of what a Gentleman is in accordance with the Colonel’s intent and others comments. There is and always will be a positive thought or response when a man acts in the proper fashion of a Gentleman. Of course there are exceptions to everything.
    The man was elected President to do a job to get this country moving and while he is doing it he is hamstrung with a MSM that is driving itself into the ground with constant falsehoods and barbs over whatever the man says, does or what the MSM perceives. There is also a tremendous backlash from the non Trump voters and denizens of the Swamp that is well out of hand. Both of these groups actions has been a wake up call to the American people that will have a reaction.
    I truly believe he should of been a TV Commentator where his BS could be spread through the world. In the interim the man has a job to do Gentleman or not.

  60. Prem says:

    Didn’t Trump go to a military school? One would have thought that decorum and the “done thing” would have been dinned into him there. And his father was rich abd his grandfather pretty well-off, but the man has the demeanor of street thug like Meyer Lansky.
    The Atlantic has a theory that he lobbed this grenade to distract from some development in the Russia story. This is absurd – the Russia story is a big fat nothing, and Trump, and his boorishness, have been notorious for 40 years. There were movie characters based on him in the ’80s (Gremlins, Back to the Future 2).
    All the same, if I were American and I lived in a swing state, I would still have voted for him. Such is the state of politics in 2017.

  61. FB Ali says:

    “…the best way to learn a language was to get a “long haired dictionary.”
    Absolutely superb! The others are very good, too, but this is the best.
    I hope you’ll try to recall some more and share them with us.

  62. The Beaver says:

    the best way to learn a language was to get a “long haired dictionary.”
    LOL.

  63. Croesus says:

    Thank you for that insight. I confess — I wasn’t thinking of the Trump-Mika exchange in the comment about feminism, but about family members who are navigating this Title 9 world. Among Hillary’s objectionable traits was her continued appeal to empowering women: is she basically disdainful of men, and how does that affect very young boys, and girls, if they are raised in an atmosphere where public men are disgusting and public women place men on a second tier? Are gentlemen born or raised? It’s in the parenting, you say? That goes only so far — extremely important, but, frankly, frequently overwhelmed by the barrage of necessary outside influences, in school, coaches, media, culture, friends, employers.
    Whatabboutery is no defense of anything, and Trump’s behavior — reflecting, as you say, his essential weakness (or lack of what Machiavelli would call virtu) — is disgusting. But what about Bill Clinton? I was truly disgusted when, during his years in office, I read that “most women swoon over Bill Clinton’s charm.” Ugh. If Trump is disgusting for failing to keep his mouth zipped, what about Clinton? Why does he continue to get a pass? What has he done to redeem himself? How was his behavior more “presidential?”
    Who was the last gentleman POTUS? Ford? Carter, who “lusted in his heart?”
    More importantly, who is in the wings to be the next POTUS, and does he/she have gentlemanly – gentle womanly qualities? Ben Sasse comes to mind.

  64. ked says:

    The Prez is a Hollywood PR fantasist writ large. ALL attention is good attention. He knows not vector, only quantity. Beyond being ill mannered, he sees the attention he derives as endorsement – personal accomplishment of the highest order. All well & good if it’s merely boorish personal behavior… however… let’s consider his modality applied to making critical national security policy in a global emergency. We have a decider w/ a proclivity toward choosing a bigger splash (or crater) for its attention-getting scale over any alternative course.
    I believe his personality defect is a potentially serious risk to our nation, and it has nothing to do with his ideology (or each of our own). I am a bit dismayed that many are blinded to this quite possibly tragic flaw by their own incapacity to step back from partisanship on merely political matters. It’s a deal with the devil within Trump to retain & wield political power. I suppose the honest ones among his apologists are nihilists & endtimes fundamentalists. The rest are placing a bet they’ll get out alive & on top. Now, that’s good ol’ morality for ya!

  65. alba etie says:

    OGP
    Yes – and he has the nuclear codes ,,,

  66. HawkOfMay says:

    You are correct. The man should have a job to do yet what are the people in this thread talking about? You didn’t spend your time talking about his policies. You didn’t spend your time writing about his trade comments regarding South Korea. You didn’t spend your time about the arms deal with Taiwan. You spent your time defending a boorish man who is ill suited to the office of the President. If President Trump didn’t twitter storm with his easily bruised ego we all might be talking about something of actual import.
    No one does more damage to President Trump than himself.

  67. Cortes says:

    One wonders about the commercial fallout from such crassness. I’m reminded of the “Ratner Effect”:
    (From Wikipedia):
    Edit
    Gerald Ratner was born in London and based his philosophy of business on his experiences as a boy in Petticoat Lane Market. He observed that “the people who shouted the loudest and appeared to give the best offers sold the most.”[4]
    Ratner joined the family business in 1966 and built up an extremely successful chain of jewellers during the 1980s, of which he was chief executive. The shops shocked the formerly staid jewellery industry by displaying fluorescent orange posters advertising cut price bargains and by offering low price ranges. The Ratners Group consisted of Ratners, H. Samuel, Ernest Jones, Leslie Davis, Watches of Switzerland and over 1000 shops in the US including Kays. Ratners was one of the few British retailers to succeed in the US.[citation needed]
    The speech Edit
    Although widely regarded as “tacky”,[5] the shops and their wares were nevertheless extremely popular with the public, until Ratner made a speech addressing a conference of the Institute of Directors at the Royal Albert Hall on 23 April 1991.[6] During the speech, he commented:
    “ We also do cut-glass sherry decanters complete with six glasses on a silver-plated tray that your butler can serve you drinks on, all for £4.95. People say, “How can you sell this for such a low price?”, I say, “because it’s total crap.”[7] ”
    He compounded this by going on to remark that one of the earrings were “cheaper than an M&S prawn sandwich but probably wouldn’t last as long.” Ratner’s comments have become textbook examples of why chief executives should choose their words carefully. In the furore that ensued, customers exacted their revenge by staying away from Ratner shops. After the speech, the value of the Ratner group plummeted by around £500 million, which very nearly resulted in the firm’s collapse.[8] Ratner hired a chairman in an attempt to stabilise the situation, but was subsequently fired by the new company leader in November 1992. The group then changed its name to Signet Group in September 1993.[1]
    Today, Ratner’s speech is still famous in the corporate world as an example of the value of branding and image over quality. Such gaffes are now sometimes called “doing a Ratner”,[9] and Ratner himself has acquired the sobriquet “The Sultan of Bling”.[10] Ratner has said in his defence that his remarks were not meant to be taken seriously. He also largely blamed the aggressiveness and deliberately wrongful interpretation of several media outlets for the severe consumer reaction.[1]

  68. mike says:

    Colonel –
    Did your father ever meet or serve with Edwin Ramsey of 26th Cav? I read Ramsey’s book many years ago and recommend it to those of your blog readers who may be interested? I understand Hollywood is now coming out with a documentary film of his life – ‘Never Surrender: The Ed Ramsey Story’

  69. rakesh says:

    I see that a lot of people trying to justify their vote for Trump as punishing Clinton for calling them deplorable. Are you one of the groups she described as deplorable -the racists and the misogynist if not than she did not deplore you or call you unredeemable . If you are then yes she did call you out .
    Also is your Country’s governance so trivial to you that your fragile ego would rather have a total incompetent running the country

  70. rakesh says:

    Since this deplorable line is so frequently bandied about in this blog it may be helpful to post this
    “I know there are only 60 days left to make our case — and don’t get complacent, don’t see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he’s done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.”
    “But the other basket — and I know this because I see friends from all over America here — I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas — as well as, you know, New York and California — but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they’re just desperate for change. It doesn’t really even matter where it comes from. They don’t buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different.”

  71. fanto says:

    Colonel,
    in thinking about the reverse situation, “a short hair dictionary” does not sound that witty for some reason.

  72. Greco says:

    There was a quote in the election that rings true (or at least it applies to me, for better or for worse). The quote goes, “Trump supporters take him seriously, but not literally. Trump’s critics take him literally, but not seriously.”
    If we entertain ourselves enough to read between the lines, instead of taking Trump’s words at face value alone, we can see that there is subtext.
    For starters, he’s calling Mika and Joe fake news. We know this because he points out she had a face lift (i.e., fake face) and that they pretended to be friendly with him back in December (i.e., they’re fake with people). He’s not only unflattering them, he’s pointing out how fake they are. He’s saying they’re fake news in not so few words.
    And the worst of Trump’s comments was actually reserved for Joe. When Trump described Joe as psychotic, he was probably referring to the odd set of circumstances under which an intern was found dead in Joe’s congressional office. Trump was implying Joe had something to do with the intern’s death. I’m convinced that this is what Trump meant by “Psychotic Joe.”
    And maybe I’m reading a bit too much into these comments, but it’s possible that Trump is threatening to blackmail them. Recall that Trump tweeted sometime back that once things calmed down he “would tell the real story” of Mika and Joe. Also, both Mika and Joe insinuated that Trump held enough clout at National Enquirer to squash an unfavorable story concerning Mika and Joe’s secret romance. They themselves described Trump as blackmailing them. But I suspect that there’s more to Trump’s threat than some story that the National Enquirer was going to run with. Trump knows something about Mika and Joe, something crazy and psychotic, not just the story of how some intern died strangely in Joe’s office.
    Trump wasn’t just taking cheap shots at them, I suspect he was making veiled threats against them. That he would divulge something disturbing about them, something that would prove Mika to be crazy and Joe, psychotic.

  73. Bill H says:

    I have Parkinson’s Disease and move slowly. If my wife reaches a door before I do she waits for me to get there and open it for her. Why? Because she knows that I value doing it, and she appreciates that I do so.

  74. Lemur says:

    “This is not about chivalry. It is about common norms of decency by which people can live with each other without resorting to violence and brute strength. Many of you have been corrupted by the debased culture of 21st Century America.
    Col, I respect your sense of social obligation, and the sort of civilized community to which it aspires. But the success of your moral sentiments require certain socio-political preconditions, which endured to an extent in your formative years, but have since been purposefully destroyed. These codes emerged from a sense of unity, born of common custom and origins, as Rousseau noted centuries ago. They depend upon an ethos that places honour above personal peace and prosperity.
    Who brought upon this state of affairs? Who pushes the debased culture? What presides over the New York zeitgeist, in which Trump was matriculated? Who relentlessly assaulted the traditional norms which modulated the relations between the sexes, with their corresponding obligations and rights? The left and their degenerate anti-hierarchical value system, which extends to the domain of aesthetics. In their drive for ‘equality’, they’ve torn down everything worth conserving. Now these people are shocked their opponents no longer feel under an obligation to observe (conserve) standards of etiquette they’ve undermined for decades.
    From the perspective of the younger generation, including myself, who have adopted positions against both the left and the ‘bourgeois’ right’; we are locked in an existential struggle against people who viscerally hate us (‘deplorables’), who want to brainwash our kids with their beliefs, who never tire of vilifying our ancestors, who want to morally invert all that we hold dear, and who want to demographically replace us. Well, they can go to hell. I don’t want to live with them. I don’t want to live in a country where types like Mika and Maddow are accorded respect. The indecent deserve no decency. It’s offensive to suffer the exploitation of virtue. This new politics is a war fought in the domain of memes, rhetoric, and ideas. And its a total war. The left chose to leave nothing off limits. They went after little old ladies who didn’t want to deny their faith by baking cakes for homosexuals. Mika is part of that system. In a total war, if we place her ‘femininity’ (which she denies anyway) off limits, we’re following a script at the end of which we invariably lose. No more. The priority of public politeness is superseded by more pressing concerns.

  75. TonyL says:

    I can confirm that is indeed the best way 🙂

  76. confusedponderer says:

    Recently I was in a hospital elevator and a lady came in, stand in the door of the elevator and started to wildly lament and accuse …
    * The house owner was a criminal …
    * the house was rotten
    * the elector was ‘totally kaputt’ …
    * the renters and the hospital were horrible …
    * they were bad people who knew nothing and didn’t do anything against that …
    * also … evil cats … were part of the conspiracy …
    … and so on and so on it went for about three minutes. The part about the cats was hilarious. And, almost spitefully, the elevator didn’t start moving.
    Clearly, the poor lady lived in a horrible world and was bored since, after the lamentation, she adressed me and demanded to hear my view on this, since I hadn’t said anything all the time she had lamented.
    I told her that I didn’t know anything and had no views about the house, the house owner, his conspiracy with evil cats or the hospital staff, but that, for starters, it would probably be a good idea if she would leave the door and get out of the safety light barrier.
    She reacted angry and moved up to me as if she wanted to beat me but – a miracle – once she left the door the elevator quickly started to move and brought her to whatever place she REALLY wanted to get to.
    So, surprise, it wasn’t a wicked house owner, a rotten house, conspiratorial and evil cats and/or the wicked renters – it was just her being too dumb to use an elevator. Good I kept quiet about that since, after all, it was always someone elses fault all the time, so she might have … concluded … that I was part of … the wicked conspiracy.
    All that said, Lord T’s recent nasty babble about Mika Brzezinski was callous, primitive and vindictive behaviour and the world could have easily got on without it. If days are so bad for him, can’t he just go and play some golf?

  77. iowa steve says:

    His lack of manners in this recent incident indicates an impulsiveness and immaturity–call it a temper tantrum–that I consider disturbing for an individual who has his hands on the nuclear codes and commands the whole array of US military power.

  78. turcopolier says:

    lemur
    Once again, I am doing this work to give witness to how things should be. I detest Jean Jacques Rousseau and have done so since I worked my way through his oeuvre some 50 years ago. His BS is responsible for many of the degeneracies that you cite. pl

  79. turcopolier says:

    fanto
    I could attempt a witticism if I knew if you are male or female. pl

  80. turcopolier says:

    rakesh
    I presume that you are the usual anti-American Indian leftist. In that context it is not surprising that you find praiseworthy HC’s condemnation of middle class and rural Americans as “deplorables.” OTOH India has cultural features rarely seen in the US. Wife killing for lack of fertility is rare as are gang rapes on public buses of women so foolhardy as to travel alone on (and sometimes not alone) public transportation. pl

  81. Cold War Zoomie says:

    “Oh, yes, he said the best way to learn a language was to get a ‘long haired dictionary.'”
    Definitely! But that has led to some pretty funny looks in Spain when this 6’3″ blond haired, blue eyed Gringo speaks Spanish like a semi-literate Honduran farmer!

  82. DG says:

    Winston Churchill to Lady Astor:
    When accused by one of them of being ‘disgustingly drunk’ the Conservative Prime Minister responded: ‘My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly.’
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/my-dear-you-are-ugly-but-tomorrow-i-shall-be-sober-and-you-will-still-be-ugly-winston-churchill-tops-8878622.html

  83. Fred says:

    Keith,
    The MSM focused on this to avoid talking about the retractions and the investigations (of people not named Trump) as well as the ongoing collapse of Obamacare and the Borg project in Syria. :
    NYT: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/29/nyt-finally-retracts-russia-gate-canard/
    CNN Firing: http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/media/cnn-announcement-retracted-article/index.html
    Susan Rice testimony: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/29/rice-to-testify-ex-national-security-adviser-to-go-under-oath-about-unmasking.html
    AG Lynch: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/senators-are-investigating-former-ag-loretta-lynch-for-political-interference/
    Trump, as the Col. points out, is a boor. He’s his own worst enemy. He doesn’t live in NYC anymore and should start acting like it. Perhaps he should point out the monopoly power of some of those institutions of “news” – or of their owners – and start using the anti-trust laws on the books to break up the monopolies.

  84. ex-PFC Chuck says:

    re Degringolade: “Last one I would give that title to was Pappy Bush.”
    If Roger Stone is to be believed that was all a false front.
    https://www.amazon.com/Bush-Crime-Family-American-Dynasty/dp/1510721401/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1498914203&sr=1-1&keywords=the+bush+crime+family

  85. ex-PFC Chuck says:

    A case can be made that he is exhibiting symptoms of cognitive decline.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3CFwkoqxIs&feature=youtu.be

  86. turcopolier says:

    HawkoMay
    I approve of Trump’s domestic agenda. pl

  87. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Evidently that must have been the motivation for Bahram V to marry seven princesses from seven different countries.
    It was good to be the King.

  88. Eric Newhill says:

    Greco,
    My SWMBO agrees with you. She remains a staunch Trumps supporter. She hates smug Hollyweird and MSM personalities and their leftist preaching. She thinks Mika had it coming (women can be terrible when insulting each other) and she thinks Trump is issuing a warning that he has some serious dirt on those two that, shameless as they are, they would not want made public.

  89. DH says:

    If you look at what actually occurs versus what he says, things have turned out pretty mildly. The 69 missiles did little damage. We dialed back at at-Tanf. In his speech in KSA Trump only dinged Iran, he did not go for the jugular.
    Here’s neat little article that TTG linked in his last post that thinks the Syrian War is wrapping up, and assesses each country or faction’s status. Most are getting something out of it.
    Excerpt: “The Islamic Republic of Iran is enjoining today an advanced position in the Middle East, expanding its influence in Mesopotamia and in Bilad al-sham. Iran brought Moscow to Syria in 2015 and thousands of militants to protect its “axis of resistance” (Iran, Syria, Hezbollah): the supply line to Hezbollah in Lebanon that crosses from Damascus to Lebanon.
    Iran spent over $25 billion in Syria to sustain the Syrian government, supplying it with oil and paying salaries to its civilian and military institutions. Iranian cuisines established in different parts of Syria are feeding tens of thousands of soldiers and militants daily and succeeding in keeping Assad in power.
    Iran disregarded the red lines with the US forces on al-Tanaf borders and pushed forces north of al-Tanaf to close the road on the US towards the north and prevented the US plan to control the entire north east of Syria.
    Also, the failure of the ISIS experience in Syria (and Iraq) led to the increase of the Iranian influence because the grievances that led to the rise of ISIS in the first place are no longer standing today. Iran brought thousands of militants in Syria but also established a Syrian-like Hezbollah that will remain for long after the end of the war.
    Iran has become part of any political settlement in Syria: its protection of Assad led it into all future negotiations to end the war and managed to win over regional countries (i.e. Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Qatar and Turkey). Iran is today Saudi Arabia’s sworn enemy, particularly since the Saudis clearly have no effective means to destabilise Iran, even with the help of its favourite ally, the US.”
    https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/06/27/who-is-losing-and-who-is-winning-in-syria/

  90. rakesh says:

    i have said it before- I left my loyalty to India the I swore to protect the US by joining the Army.I am unabashedly socialist that by definition means class solidarity with the proletariat- i draw the line at racism, homophobia etc. I thought HC was out of touch but she never attacked people for their social class only for their views.

  91. Swamp Yankee says:

    Rakesh, I’m afraid I must respectfully disagree with your last line. When HRC characterized Sanders supporters as basement-dwelling baristas* — attacking people for where they live and what they do for a living while speaking to her wealthy donors — that was a directly class-based attack to my way of thinking, to say nothing of its political stupidity (n.b. I am not a Trump supporter).
    * not even remotely true, by the way.

  92. different clue says:

    rakesh,
    I am one of the “other few people” who voted for Trump to do my best to keep Clinton from getting elected.
    My reasons were-
    #1: to prevent her from using the Presidency to topple Assad and help the Global Axis of Jihad create an Islamic Emirate of Jihadistan in Syria.
    #2: to prevent her from being able to cause World War Three with Russia. ( And to enable Trump to pursue the re-normalization of relations with Russia which he gave every sign of wanting to pursue).
    #3: to abort and derail any further pursuit of Free Trade Treason Agreements in line with the DLC Wall Street Clintonite service to the World Corporate Globalonial Plantation agenda.
    I also wanted revenge on the Clintocratic Party for rigging the primary process against Sanders. The Democrats wouldn’t let me have my Sanders? Fine. I wouldn’t let them have their Clinton. And I will never let them have their Clinton. Never ever.
    Every time they nominate another Clinton figure, I will vote for Trump all over again.
    My desire for the Democratic Party is this . . . either we bernie it up or we burn it down.

  93. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I find the figure of 25 bllion USD rather incredible.
    Algeria also helped SAR.

  94. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Yup, propogandized also in fiction and in movies.

  95. Babak Makkinejad says:

    You need to go to Detroit and see the real proletariat up and close.

  96. Morongobill says:

    I voted for Trump. Of course, I knew he wasn’t a ‘gentleman.”
    But I have to admit, I didn’t dream that he would be as crude with his utterances.
    My advice would be for him to tone it down and as hard as it obviously would be for him to do, act a little more humble and a whole lot less spiteful- end result, aim to be more “presidential.”

  97. DH says:

    It must be the American in me, but that seems reasonable.

  98. johnT says:

    Winning at birth lottery, what’s looking like his only attribute.

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