Obama’s VP pick

Ercaruu4oxcat8oan3cantqjebcatnvgwsc Barack Obama has not yet announced his preference for a vice-presidential candidate.  I think he would be wise to choose Hillary Clinton.  If he does not choose her, then Joseph Biden would be the best choice.   The other two possibilities, Kaine and Bayh are capable men but I do not think that they would fulfill the role of "attack dog" against McCain.  Unfortunately, that is what is needed.  Obama is not the man to confront the political nastiness machine constructed by the McCain campaign.  To govern, one must first be elected, and the issue of the election is in doubt.  The present Obama team is not adequately dealing with McCain.  The best prospect for changing the present situation in favor of the Democrats is to pick a running mate for McCain who will contribute to winning in November.

McCain’s machine is built on the idea of politics as marketing.  They are in the business of selling John McCain as though he were a new brand of toothpaste.  Memetics?  I had to look that up, but that is what they are doing.  They are endlessly "pitching" bite sized phrases of cultural code of various kinds; "arugula eating," "not questioning his patriotism," "still rejecting victory," "inexperienced" (the ultimate codeword and excuse), "empty suit," (what does that mean?).  This technique is designed to influence the vote of the unthinking.  The unthinking are the majority.  They believe what is said over and over again whether that is said in the media or by their fellow "sheep" in the street.

Obama is not a man equipped to engage in a battle of competing ugliness.  He has spent his life becoming what he is and that is not what is needed to defeat the memeticists.  What is needed is someone to stand toe to toe with McCain with equal force and a greater wit to push him back rhetorically and announce to the world that he has feet of clay.  McCain’s narrative has many chapters that have not been brought forcefully to the fore.  Hillary would do that with style.  Joe Biden with a sledge hammer. pl

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52 Responses to Obama’s VP pick

  1. Curious says:

    problem with Hillary, too many baggages. It will be media scandal one after another every single day. She is a righwing talking head magnet. She is also very divisive. She is also come with gigantic amount of corrupting connection.
    But the chance of her being a veep is still likely.
    Biden has wide foreign policy experience, but his money connection is worrying.
    I think these are important variable in play to stop the Iraq war. The war still have very wide congress and DC insider supports. Without a clean president, the money connection alone will be able to thwart any effort to stop the war.
    On top of that, the economy is in deep funk. In order to stabilize the economy the new president would have to introduce a lot of painful correction and reform.
    Loosing war income, then easy money won’t make the powerful happy.
    They would rather put McCain to keep the easy money going for another cycle.

  2. Nancy K says:

    I so agree with your commentary, but isn’t it a sad state of affairs when we have to sink to their level in order to beat them.
    I’m hoping the VP will be Clinton or Biden also. Anyone else and it will be McCain’s election.

  3. Walter R. Moore says:

    I’m one of the countless Dems who find Biden and Clinton distasteful. But you are right that both would be very good to set loose to attack McCain.
    I think Hillary could run circles around Romney, and unbelievably it’s rumoured that he’s to be the GOP VP nominee.

  4. bstr says:

    Dear sir, to drive home the problem (the “recognition gap” many citizens have with Obama) take a gander at the McClatchy newservice cartoon for this date.Prudence may prohibit its display.This is why the low level, bottom feeder, tactics of McSame are both frightening and effective.

  5. J says:

    i would rather see hillary as a vp pick than to see biden. biden is scary, really really scary.

  6. Cold War Zoomie says:

    Obama will lose in November. I used to think otherwise, but the last few weeks have forced me to change my mind. The GOP is just too good at campaigning for any modern Dem to win.
    Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.
    -HL Mencken
    Here’s an interesting paper I found while verifying Mencken’s quote above…
    The Logic of Collective Belief

  7. zanzibar says:

    Yes. Obama needs an attack dog. I thought Gen. Clark did a great job undercutting McCains’s claim to military leadership – but Obama threw him under the bus. We have seen a pattern there. What happens after the VP selection and the inevitable “scandal” or “misspeaking” by the VP candidate? Will Obama then “renounce and repudiate” his VP nominee?
    McCain is a hot head. I have always believed that the best thing going for Obama is that his opponent is McCain. Any other candidate and the “memetics” would have been devastating. McCain will give the Obama campaign many opportunities to exploit and confuse the non-thinking American voter which unfortunately is the majority. It seems the Obama campaign is learning – at least they took advantage of the McCain house gaffe to show McCain’s “elitism” and the kettle calling the pot black.
    The polling data will start becoming relevant after both conventions. IMO, Obama’s poll numbers need to be reduced to get an accurate picture since many would be loath to say they will not be voting for him due to his race.

  8. David Habakkuk says:

    If Mencken is right, why should any intelligent young Chinese think that this much-touted ‘democracy’ is such a good idea after all?
    He (or she) might say: ‘better the devil we know …’

  9. VietnamVet says:

    The corporate media has gotten themselves in a lather over the Presidential horse race. I actually heard on the radio Al Gore mentioned for Obama and General Petraeus for McCain.
    I don’t know how good attack dog Al Gore would be. The media generally ignores him except to say he invented the internet.
    The McCain – Petraeus Ticket brings back memories of the George Wallace and SAC Bomber General Curtis LeMay Ticket – “Bomb Bomb Iran”. Oops, that is now “Bomb Bomb Ivan”.

  10. arbogast says:

    You heard it here first.
    Obama said, “I want somebody who’s independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House.”
    At first I thought that was Hillary. But then we look at the map. His grand tour ends in Billings, MT.
    It’s going to be Brian Schweitzer.
    He speaks Arabic.
    This is simply an excellent pick. Excellent.
    He may win after all. Maybe.

  11. zanzibar says:

    If I had to place a wager for fun – I would bet that Obama picks Hillary. It’s got all the theatrics and the punditry will go nuts endlessly prognosticating on the pros & cons. Then McCain really has two celebrities to contend with. It would also really help Obama pick up a few votes that he otherwise would not get.

  12. J says:

    if mccain picks sen. lieberman as his vprez choice, then he will in effect have committed political suicide, as such a pick will loose mccain the republican base that he ‘has to have’ in order to win in november. the independent votes won’t be enough to make up for the loss of the republican base that is required. if mccain is lost-without-a-clue enough to pick lieberman, the republican base mccain requires will either sit home in disgust come election day, or they’ll vote every other area except the prez position leaving it blank.
    if mccain wants to personally smooze with mccain that is his poor choice, if he wants lieberman as his bed partner in the oval office, that is another — a.k.a. political wrecking of his prez aspirations.

  13. Curious says:

    If Mencken is right, why should any intelligent young Chinese think that this much-touted ‘democracy’ is such a good idea after all?
    Posted by: David Habakkuk | 22 August 2008 at 11:33 AM

    I think the chinese knows exactly what DC politics is about. They are aware perfectly that the so called democracy is nothing more than interpersonal relationship of the powerful, paying up lobbyists and doing media play.
    Beijing bureaucrats and party players have to navigate far more complex interpersonal relationships with far higher risk. Figuring out DC politics, a city 30 times smaller would be trivial.
    They’ve been playing this game for 5000 yrs. I think they know a thing or two about empire and its court.

  14. WOW! If the VP selection is down to Clinton and Biden then the DEMS will lose in November. How about someone with real stature? Long history in politics and governing? Ed Rendell? Janet Napolitano? Or if National Security and foreign policy expertise Wes Clark? Richardson? Business? Michael Bloomberg? Paul O’Neil? Looks to me like a short bench for the DEMS, not to say the same for Republicans. Perhaps Kay Bailey Hutchison for McCain? Knowledgable? James Baker? Drama? Jeb Bush?
    Seems to me that both McCain and Obama are unlikely saviors given the bad choices made over the last 30 years by the undistinguished Presidents. Still all in all the best “CAMPAIGN” team likely to win! At least whatever the outcome political party realignment will accelerate. This whole VP process is scary to me and probably all other astute foreign ministers internationally. Clearly no consistent US policies when personality can so impact US direction and outcome. Symbolic of lower tier nation-state. No system and no real process that leads to long-term vision. US long-term day in sun appearing to have been increasingly a fluke of history and immigrant scientists to US. Hey maybe immigration will save US again.

  15. rj says:

    I had hoped for Wes Clark also. The fact that Obama didn’t back him up pretty much proves your point Colonel. That’s why I’m rooting for Biden now. He can put McCain down like nobodies business.

  16. JohnS says:

    I agree completely with your VP choices.
    Bill Clinton has been the only Democrat since Carter to understand, withstand, and overcome the modern, Lee Atwater-created GOP pres campaign (hapless Dem criticizes policy while GOP criticizes character), so HRC is a good choice. Biden is no shrinking violet either. Both fill in the experience and foreign policy creds gap. Both can finally help kickstart this campaign.
    Naturally I’d prefer (like everybody else) that this be about issues, but that’s the last thing the GOP wants or will allow. You’d think that Team Chicago would have figured that out by now, that this election would be about turning Obama into The Elitist Brother from Another Planet, but they’ve seemed largely unprepared. Finally, two days ago, the Politico created an opportunity with their “how many houses do you have, Sen McCain question” and Team Obama ran with it. Let’s see how they hold up after Team McCain’s tactical nuclear reponse (arugula eater who buys houses with the help of convicted felon, Tony Rezko) and let’s hope they take the hit and return another harder blow.
    In a related note, the LA Times reported this initially happened after the media storm over the McCain’s houses story: McCain, who huddled with advisors at his desert compound in Sedona, Ariz., said nothing in public. A nine-car motorcade took him to a nearby Starbucks early in the morning, where he ordered a large cappuccino. It took a nine car motorcade to get McCain a cup of cappuccino? (Cappucino!!) Maybe some bright media guy on Obama’s team can flesh out/reinforce the out-of-touch elitist theme.

  17. alnval says:

    Col. Lang:
    David H. re your comment on CWZ’s quote from Mencken.
    That’s exactly the problem. The fact that democracy is an imperfect system is what makes it susceptible to a surfeit of carping and caviling from the widest range of aphorists most of whose comments are true, funny and cynical. But its imperfectness also makes it susceptible to those would defeat it by arguing “a bird in hand . . . “ as a better alternative.
    Thomas Jefferson perhaps said it best: A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.
    A further sample:
    Ambrose Bierce: An election is nothing more than the advanced auction of stolen goods. (And) Vote: The instrument and symbol of a free man’s power to make a fool of himself and a wreck of his country.
    Winston Churchill: The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.
    My favorite is by Edward Albee: Remember one thing about democracy. We can have anything we want and at the same time, we always end up with exactly what we deserve.

  18. Jose says:

    Col, I agree with what you said but just want to add three things:
    1. Hillary has never really accepted defeat nor has she attacked her “good friend”, McCain. Still she has more bxlls than Obama.
    2. Biden has a tendency to say something stupid and can get angry but maybe that’s what Obama needs.
    3. Obama is from the South side, where are his bxlls?

  19. gratio says:

    I do not agree with some comments here that Hillary is the best pick for VP – she would be repudation of ‘change’. I hope that Obama will pick Webb. He would run circles around McCain…

  20. Cato says:

    Colonel Lang and a number of this blog’s readers appear to believe that Obama’s election prospects are dire. Do you still hold to this opinion in light of McCain doing such a good job this week of shooting himself in the foot over how many houses he owns? The election is still over two months away and McCain is a terrible campaigner, prone to gaffes, memory lapses, and bursts of temper. I’m not calling it for Obama; I think he faces tremendous obstacles, but I wouldn’t be so certain that McCain has it in the bag.

  21. cb says:

    Joe Biden with a sledgehammer — James Webb or Chuck Hagel with a wrecking ball. And how do you position yourself as a Washington outsider, coming in to sweep out the entrenched culture of the permanent political class, with Joe Biden at your side?

  22. zanzibar says:

    Credit where its due.
    Scanning the tubes today its amazing how the punditry is in frenzy about who Obama’s pick will be with no leaks and “inside scoops” and “annoymous sourcing”.
    IMO, the Obama campaigns decision to directly inform voters first via text messaging is just brilliant! Maybe there is a pony here.

  23. Clifford Kiracofe says:

    Well, perhaps the Dem convention should nominate Hillary for President and Obama for VP.
    Latest from Pew Center:
    “With less than two weeks to go before the start of the presidential nominating conventions, Barack Obama’s lead over John McCain has disappeared. Pew’s latest survey finds 46% of registered voters saying they favor or lean to the putative Democratic candidate, while 43% back his likely Republican rival. In late June, Obama held a comfortable 48%-to-40% margin over McCain, which narrowed in mid-July to 47% to 42%.
    Two factors appear to be at play in shifting voter sentiment. First, McCain is garnering more support from his base – including Republicans and white evangelical Protestants – than he was in June, and he also has steadily gained backing from white working class voters over this period. Secondly and more generally, the Arizona senator has made gains on his leadership image. An even greater percentage of voters than in June now see McCain as the candidate who would use the best judgment in a crisis, and an increasing percentage see him as the candidate who can get things done….”

  24. Bill W, NH, USA says:

    I’m not yet counting out HRC being the nominee. I’m not sure where/when I heard it but a small provision was attached to a bill that declared McCain a bonafide US citizen in spite of having been born in Panama, angers me as what about the tens of thousands of military children who won’t be getting that special consideration. Now, yesterday: The complaint states: “Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, ‘No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.’ Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.” The complaint also states: “Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a ‘registry of birth’ for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.” Although hardly an Obama supporter, I feel he has as much right to run for President as McCain has.

  25. Walrus says:

    I see the grandest of all grand ironies appearing out of the gloom.
    Not only has America trashed any reputation democracy has of delivering good financial, social, judicial and national security linked oucomes.
    Not only has America wrecked the pretention that democracies are by nature peaceable institutions that respect human rights.
    What we may now see is a deeply flawed and corrupt system of election delivering demonstrably bad government yet again.
    The net result will bring democracy as a system of government into disrepute. The likes of the Chinese, Arabs, Russians and other nations will say to their respective peoples “why do you want democracy? Look at the results it has produced in America!”

  26. Fred says:

    I think that Obama would handle Putin (Russia) and the Iranians far better than Bush.
    As for your last comment, save it for a different blog.

  27. Jackie Shaw says:

    McCain has never really had a tough opponent in an election before. Sometimes he has that deer in the headlights look. He’s cranky and thin skinned. And his supporters are lukewarm.
    I think Obama will figure this game out. His supporters are three times more enthusiastic. I hope he gets the biggest, baddest VP candidate available.
    Without Rove’s (nasty little man) tactics, my friends, where would McCain be?

  28. Bobo says:

    I feel for the non Americans looking at our process of electing a President or even naming a Vice Presidential candidate.
    Its the same as making sausage. Messy, time consuming, not always successful but that is how our democracy works.
    We will try harder to make it a better process.

  29. Old Bogus says:

    I love to annoy both camps by suggesting Joe Lieberman could be the VP pick for BOTH tickets!

  30. I love to annoy both camps by suggesting Joe Lieberman could be the VP pick for BOTH tickets!
    Now that’s a good one!

  31. AdrianS says:

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    Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit Requesting Obama Be Removed as a Candidate as he does not meet the Qualifications for President.

  32. Sidney O. Smith III says:

    Obama’s VP choice, probably Biden, will have to brawl like never before. FOX news has already done a hit piece on Obama and it was effective.
    At least in my opinion, Obama is a good man. Charismatic. Extremely eloquent. Sophisticated in the right sort of way. Most definitely Presidential material. But how in the world are the Democrats going to respond to this following ad (scroll down)? Take a look:
    Truth be told, after watching that ad, I felt compassion for Obama. I sometimes think that Democratic strategists pushed his candidacy too quickly and too fast. And because of these strategists, odds increase Obama will lose the Colin Powell voters from the mid 90’s, and they were a majority, even in the deep South.
    But, as I say, maybe I am wrong about all of this and the Democrats will win. Hope so. Afterall, McCain is Norman Pod’s trigger man. No mistake about it. Guaranteed.

  33. Tyler says:

    I don’t understand all the Biden hate. Yes, he’s indebted to the credit card & chemcial companies, but that’s how its done in Delaware.
    Its no different than the Midwestern politicos who have the support of the farming lobbies. Delaware is all about banking and business for the most part. Its not that he’s gone out of his way to align himself with them, but that he needs them to get elected in Delaware. You think that any of the Republicans from my state are any better?
    I think a Biden who’s been cut free of needing the CC/Dupont lobbies would be a different VP then he is as a Senator. He seriously ruptured Giuliani’s campaign with the line “..a noun, a verb, and 9/11.”
    I think McCaine would be foolish/ill tempered enough to try and call out Biden’s foreign policy creds, and then the blood will flow in rivers. Biden has always demonstrated an admirable capacity for refusing to pull punches.
    I don’t see how a “temper” is a negative for a VP. Obviously, if that was the case, Cheney should have been a huge liability for GWB, right?

  34. Curious says:

    omg… it’s Joe Biden.

  35. zanzibar says:

    Well it seems the “Sledgehammer” got the nod. David Brooks should be thrilled.
    I think its a good decision by Obama. We’ll see soon enough if it matters to the un-thinking American voter.

  36. Stormcrow says:

    Bayh, from reports, is an empty suit.
    Hillary would be a decent choice but for her obsession, and that of many of her followers. I suspect that’ll put period to Obama considering her. He could use some help. But he doesn’t need a backseat driver.
    But I think all this is probably moot at this point. Reportedly, the Secret Service has been dispatched to take up protection duties for Joseph Biden. If this is true, that almost certainly means he’s Obama’s VP pick.

  37. fnord says:

    Its Biden! This makes me feel so much better.
    Lets hope, though, that the Obama-camp doesnt forget the first rule of winning a flamewar: Sideline sniping beats full frontal 9 out of 10. The trick is to make the other guy so angry he doesnt check his response while retaining your own integrity. If they come out swinging from day 1, it will be easy to stereotype them as Princess and his watchdog, so I hope they have enough sense to stagger the attacks and to find ways to tie them in with politics and substance. Another rule of flamewars: Elegance and sarcasm works better than flat out accusations.

  38. jr786 says:

    Biden is the the United States Senator who said: “I am a Zionist. You don`t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist”.
    Obama just lost my vote.

  39. If Mencken is right, why should any intelligent young Chinese think that this much-touted ‘democracy’ is such a good idea after all?
    Hi David-
    First off, I like to drop Mencken into the punch bowl every now and again just to stir things up. A bit of sacred cow tipping!
    Even if Mencken believed his own quotes (I wonder if he was a “shock-jock” in his day), that doesn’t mean democracy isn’t preferable over every other form of government. We have had a large pool of ignorant voters for a long, long time in the USA – ignorant in the literal sense – and, quite frankly, I think we’ve done pretty well over the last 200 years when compared to our peers. When compared to our own published ideals, we’ve floundered a lot, but that’s another topic.
    Personally, I’m not always upset by our ignorance. Everyone’s ignorant to a degree. In fact, I cannot name my two senators by memory right this second, so the poly sci researchers can toss me into that sea of ignorant voters.
    Where was I…oh, yeah.
    My advice to the intelligent Chinese is for them to prove Mencken wrong. To realize that Mencken and others can criticize democracy because they lived in one. And to experience themselves what it means to place their vote, no matter the reason for their choice.
    Cue the sappy music…

  40. Clifford Kiracofe says:

    The “Jewish Daily Forward” of New York is a good indicator and worth reading regularly. [“The Forward is a legendary name in American journalism and a revered institution in American Jewish life. Launched as a Yiddish-language daily newspaper on April 22, 1897, the Forward entered the din of New York’s immigrant press as a defender of trade unionism and moderate, democratic socialism.”]
    Here is the well-regarded and well-informed paper’s reaction to Biden as VP:
    “As the liberals clamor for greater distance between the U.S. and Israel, one of Washington’s most vocal critics of the administration’s Middle East policy is vowing to keep the two countries joined at the hip if he is elected president.
    Delaware Senator Joseph Biden rejected the notion that the U.S. needs to become a more neutral player in the Middle East, while criticizing the White House as uninvolved and ineffective. He spoke to the Forward for 45 minutes over oatmeal at Manhattan’s Regency Hotel yesterday morning,
    “In my 34 year career, I have never wavered from the notion that the only time progress has ever been made in the Middle East is when the Arab nations have known that there is no daylight between us and Israel,” said Biden, who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations committee. “So the idea of being an ‘honest broker’ is not, I think, like some of my Democratic colleagues call for, is not the answer. It is being the smart broker, it is being the smart partner.”….
    Every capital in the world has just drawn conclusions, IMO. Rough sailing ahead for our ship of state irrespective of November.

  41. Mark Gaughan says:

    Obama has chosen to go with Biden and his sledge hammer, whomp!

  42. J says:

    biden is one scary, very very VERY scary individual. biden scares me more than mccain’s hot temper.

  43. J says:

    Colonel, All,
    out of biden’s own mouth – biden says he is a zionist, and biden says he wants israeli spy pollard’s espionage against the u.s. sentence given leniency. shudder…..brrr…..shudder……
    biden is a very scary individual, a very very very VERY scary individual.
    somebody please tell me that it’s not halloween yet, please. harrumph.

  44. zanzibar says:

    An excellent read that mirrors Pat’s analysis of the Presidential race.

  45. taters says:

    Col. Lang,
    I agree with your assessment a few months back that Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama was the strongest ticket. Over thirty five million Dems and others voted for them in the primaries. TX would have been in play, with FL & MI a lock – now TX is McCain’s. And FL leans McCain while MI is a toss up with a slight lead for Obama in current polls.
    As the hordes of Obama supporters so often screamed at me in the primaries – “Do the math!”

  46. Cujo359 says:

    Biden? Yawn.
    At this point, I don’t like Biden because Democratic voters don’t like Biden. They had a chance to vote for him in the primaries, and if the results are any indication, “anyone but Biden” was the clear winner. You could use that phrase on just about any candidate who isn’t Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, of course, but Biden’s percentage was in the low single digits.
    He is a good speaker, and he won’t be reluctant to take on McCain’s noise machine. At least, he won’t until Obama undercuts him like he did Wes Clark (who would have been a great candidate if both Obama and John Kerry hadn’t slagged him).
    Hopefully, Biden will help attract the kind of Democratic voters who don’t support Obama. I have my doubts, though.

  47. Bobo says:

    Joe Biden is a first class guy! He brings Gravitas to Obama’s campaign.
    But Obama is the one running for President and the Biden pick will make it an easier road for McCain.

  48. I guess I don’t understand Democrats who dislike Obama enough to vote against him on November 4. In fact, I don’t understand the dislike for Obama in general. He doesn’t stand where I want him to on the Palestinians but I’m voting for him and happy to do it.
    And why is Biden a bad choice? I don’t get it. I love this crowd and our esteemed host but I think the lot of you have a blind spot re: Barack Obama and I really haven’t seen any compelling evidence for your distaste. I see his flaws too and I don’t think he’s the Messiah (and he doesn’t claim to be, either) – he’s a very good politician. He votes pretty much like Hilary except he was right about Iraq when she was still saying stuff I believe she knew wasn’t so.
    Col. Lang’s Biden story is interesting. I find this sort of detail more compelling than the sweeping assertion that Obama doesn’t have what it takes to fight for the Presidency. Oh really? Didn’t he just whip Hilary, the front runner, a tough campaigner? He’s built a fabulous organization and he knows how to debate, to argue, and to campaign.
    I don’t believe in giving up so soon. Let’s watch what he does.
    No way any candidate would want Hilary and her husband on the ticket with them. Sorry, but the histrionics of ole’ Bill would just make life miserable for any President. The President needs a team player in the VP’s office. Gore was pretty good at that if you remember. (how well did Bill pay him back for his loyalty in 2000?)

  49. And PS I was a fan of Hilary’s until 2000. I didn’t start to sour on Bill until “It depends on what the meaning of is is” back in ’98. But people make mistakes and learn from them – it’s Bill’s behavior in 2008 that made a HIlary Veepship impossible. Sorry.

  50. OK I got a chance to read more about Biden “I’m a Zionist and the US and Israel Ought to be Joined At the Hip”. OK OK I see the concern here. His attitude is pretty yukky.
    I’ll bet if he calls Barack clean, articulate and a nice boy again, he’ll get pulled up short, but I doubt anybody will call him on this anti-Arab stuff.
    I’m going back to praying, y’all. Hey, they told me I have metastatic cancer, yet on my latest Pet scan nothing lights up, and they’re taking me off chemo next month. Miracles happen all the time. If all those relatives and friends praying for me can stop those liver metastases in their tracks, then why can’t our prayers help Joe Biden soften up?
    Not that I’m saying I know what God ought to do with Joe Biden. Just… a little more praying for the guy’s immortal soul might do all of us some good. I’m happy to start right now.

  51. zanzibar says:

    I am not sure about a distaste for Obama. I believe what Pat is stating is that this race will be close and there is a strong possibility that McCain will win.
    Note that this is a year where the Republicans are in electoral retreat. They are playing defense and hoping it will not be a rout in Congress on election night. In light of this the Democrats have not picked a strong candidate that could run the table with so much wind at their back. If you have the time read this other qualitative analysis that lends credence to this thought.
    To be fair – we don’t know much about anything on Obama or how he will govern if elected. All we know are those surrounding him and running his campaign. But… he has to get elected first!

  52. Tyler says:

    “Biden? Yawn.
    At this point, I don’t like Biden because Democratic voters don’t like Biden.

    Actually, all reports said Democratic voters DID like Biden, but the MSM spin this election cycle was “white woman or black man” as front runners.
    Check your premises.

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