Open Thread – 12 October 2016

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222 Responses to Open Thread – 12 October 2016

  1. Stuart Wood says:

    “Donald and the Deploreables” have a new theme song for his campaign, “Stand By Me” originally sung by Tammy Wynette.

  2. The Beaver says:

    Looks like the attack on the destroyer was not by the Houthis but KSA :

  3. hans says:

    Other than to create and sustain maximum turmoil and confusion in the middle east, what’s the point of U.S. policy, if one can call it that?
    Or am I too cynical and there is, in fact, a coherent end to all of this?

  4. Old Microbiologist says:

    What’s the opinions on letting ISIS move freely from Mosul to Deir Ezzor and we arranged it? On b’s site this is being discussed and could be a big problem if true. Opinions?

  5. The Porkchop Express says:

    Having grown up around Methodists, it’s not surprising (including one who went to the same church in Mt. Kisco with the Clinton cabal until they stopped attending). They really, really do not like Catholics. Evangelicals, too. But mostly because they think they’re crazy. I know it’s anecdotal and entirely based on subjective experience but in 2 northern states and 1 southern state it appeared to be the norm rather than the exception. Maybe not so much doctrinally but definitely socially/culturally.

  6. Sam Peralta says:

    The collusion between DoJ, State Dept, and media with Crooked Hillary is astounding at the level of corruption. Just unbelievable!
    Of course the media only care to take down Trump with non-stop attacks. What happens after Crooked Hillary comes into power in a rigged election within a rigged system? Are the Deplorables gonna take this lying down?

  7. Tigermoth says:

    It also is beneficial to Israel to keep all players fighting amongst themselves. That’s why they are helping Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria and against Hezbollah in Lebanon.
    Israel couldn’t defeat Hezbollah in Lebanon with their high tech military, which was a real shocker to them. So they need mayhem in the region especially where Iran is involved. Hence the irritation with regards to the nuclear deal.
    The US seems to be quite willing to assist.

  8. BabelFish says:

    Gunning for grouse near Flagstaff Lake, Maine. Sanity is getting away from election news for hours at a time.

  9. ambrit says:

    The Clintons are ‘supposedly’ from Arkansas, eh? (She is Chicago, yes, but their legacy place is Arkansas.) A part of “The South,” where anti Catholic sentiment has been traditional. As example, I knew a woman who’s family had a cross burned on their front lawn in McComb Mississippi in the late ’60s because they were ‘out of the closet’ Catholics.
    From experience, watch out if you tell a hard core Evangelical that Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi.
    On another front, does anyone have a reliable guess about the Aleppo Cauldron timetable?

  10. ambrit says:

    Expect the KSA to finesse this like the Israelis did the Liberty fiasco. “Mistakes were made, etc.”

  11. Imagine says:

    (1) maintain control of an [inherently uncontrollable] external source of energy, which by the Carter Doctrine is falsely seen as existentially necessary. The answer is to establish internal Energy Independence, then tell the Middle East to go climb a tree.
    (2) Oded Yinon plan to balkanize all enemies of Israel and turn them into a constant state of civil war, “in order to make Israel safer”. The punch-line is we’ve tried that with Iraq, succeeded fabulously, and it doesn’t work.

  12. johnf says:

    I cannot find this story anywhere else:
    “Negotiations to surrender east Aleppo under way”
    “ALEPPO, SYRIA (4:10 P.M.) – Negotiations to surrender the rebel-held east Aleppo pocket have begun between the Syrian Arab Army’s High Command and Islamist groups, a local source told Al-Masdar News on Wednesday afternoon.
    The two parties are currently negotiating the possible exit of all Islamist groups from east Aleppo, via the contested Bustan Al-Qasir District”
    Meanwhile, this is rather a quick turn around:
    “Unexpected talks on Syria to take place this weekend, says Moscow
    Switzerland meeting suggests US decision to abandon contact with Russia because of airstrikes on Aleppo has been reversed”
    24 hours ago Putin was evil incarnate.

  13. Fred says:

    The Clinton’s are never responsible for their conduct. Now the South is to blame due to some historical guilt? That’s sad.

  14. Fred says:

    Recalling Dr. Helms’ point- “… political concepts and symbols are selected, reinterpreted and manipulated…”the embracing of Pussy Riot by Clinton is even more telling of her contempt for Christians and people of faith given what those woman did in the Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow:
    It is certainly contemptuous of Russian cultural memory.

  15. LondonBob says:

    In New Testament days Rabbis were known as Pharisees, Jesus had little good to say about Rabbis. Have to really know the history, as well as Christian and Jewish theology, to fully understand the New Testament.
    Considering the current Wikileaks revelations are just the teasers there must be some real gems to come.

  16. Fred says:

    You are a wise man. My absentee ballot arrived yesterday. I’ll be off-shore on election day, hopefully hooking a couple of kings.

  17. Anonymous says:

    One thing that bothers me is that americans apparently think their politicians have become low level scum. In fact it is easy to spot how regal they are by simply comparing their words and deeds with the words and deeds of noblemen of the past. To give one example, lets make imaginary puissance…
    Chorus: Now the Band of Deplorables has reached the gates of Washington. The Establisment House fears America is on the verge of dying from The Great Buffonic Plague, and three corrupted men, I mean three democrat politicians show their contempt for the unwashed creatures.

    Duke of Borg-undy

    What a wretched and peevish fellow is this king of

    Deplorables, to mope with his fat-brained followers so

    far out of his knowledge!

    Dauphin Hilaire of America

    If the Deplorables had any apprehension, they would run away.

    Duke of Brooklyn

    That they lack; for if their heads had any

    intellectual armour, they could never wear such heavy


    See? American political dialogue is indeed highbrow stuff of legends. You can let them all politicians and generals speak freely and people will marvel…

    Lady Gilberte of Kelley

    My lord Patrais, the parade dress that I saw in your tent

    to-night, are those medals or badges upon it?

    Ganrl Patrais Coinstable of America

    Both, my lady.

    Dauphin Hilaire of America

    Some of them will fall to-morrow, I hope.

    Ganrl Patrais Coinstable of America

    And yet my chest shall not want.

    Dauphin Hilaire of America

    That may be, for you bear a many superfluously, and

    ’twere more honour some were away.

    Ganrl Patrais Coinstable of America

    Even as your donkey bears your praises; who would

    trot as well, were some of your brags dismounted.

    Dauphin Hilaire of America

    Would I were able to load him with my dessert! Will

    it never be day? I will trot to-morrow a mile, and

    my way shall be paved with Deplorable faces.

  18. Martin Oline says:

    It explains why Donald Trump complained in the last debate that we shouldn’t warn ISIS that we are going to attack them before we do. If they leave BEFORE the attack there is no problem with their advance knowledge. It all makes sense.

  19. Martin Oline says:

    RT also has a story tonight citing “unnamed diplomatic sources” that there is just such an agreement.

  20. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    An equal opportunity rogering of Trump and Clinton and their respective dysfunctional “parties”, er, mafias. Everybody’s tails get a good twist.
    This reminds me of that scene in a Clint Eastwood movie when, after some loathsome fellow gets killed, one of the other characters remarks to Clint that “He had it coming”, only to have Clint respond, “We’ve all got it coming”. True enough, Clint, as Fallen Man, we are all standing in the need of prayer here in Midgard. And to that point, here is a call for mercy from the heart, mind, and pen of Magister Guillaume Dufay, a Burgundian composer of the 15th Century, the Kyrie from his Missa L’Homme Armè:
    Forgive me this open thread indulgence, but if you seek balm in Gilead in these troubled days, here is a link to a full performance of this Mass from a different ensemble, and a sublime and worshipful performance it is, too. It is prefaced by the popular tune of the day, L’Homme Armè, upon which it draws for structural materials:
    My guiding principle remains Hillary delenda est.
    But, it still remains parlous hard to wax enthusiastic about Mr. Trump.
    Goodnight, and good luck to all.

  21. LeCashier says:

    I beginning to think any GOP candidate other than Trump could beat HRC and any other Democrat other than HRC could beat Trump.

  22. mike allen says:

    I put in for an elk permit… Hopefully I will get lucky.

  23. turcopolier says:

    mike allen
    I remember now that Shoup was Commandant when I wrote. Old age. American elk is good eating. pl

  24. Will says:

    Big problemo for the SAR, but headchoppers everywhere, kingdom of Saudi Barbaria and, Gulfies would love it. if i were the Russ, I would obliterate them while they were out in the open. i see a lot of comments, that’s why their air arm (the USAF) has been destroying bridges on the Euphrates, to help them out. ???

  25. mike allen says:

    Colonel –
    Delicious but dry. Up here we usually marinate it or make jerky. It has been a long time though.
    My SWMBO is praying I don’t go. Too old she says. And besides, maybe some Seattle city boy will think I’m an elk. But the state keeps down the number of hunters in each area, so that should not be a problem.

  26. FkDahl says:

    With lean cuts such as elk or moose I prefer to put it frozen in the oven and bake it overnight at a temperature a Finnish sauna would find insulting…

  27. ambrit says:

    Yep, you sent me searching. I eventually found a wiki on rabbis. The meaning of the term has evolved over time and the modern usage, as you point out, is strictly ‘modern.’ So, Rabbi, as used in the New Testament was an honourific in general. Then Aramaic and Syriac leapt into the mix. I’m beginning to suspect that King James’s Seventy Wise Men were, shall we say, depicted as overly cooperative.
    As we’re seeing in the ‘modern’ Middle East, politics is inseparable from religion.
    We could use a little “divine intervention” right about now.

  28. Imagine says:

    so the logical step is to get RNC to launch a palace revolt and put Pence on the ticket. Pence either beats both Hillary and Trump getting 50% of the vote, or it’s decided in the House, w/same outcome. Either way America is saved from Trump, and from Hillary starting a war against Russia. Someone will have to explain how war w/Russia works to Pence before McCain + Graham/Netanyahu colonize his brain, but on the whole we get a decent man for a President who is not a narcissist.

  29. turcopolier says:

    mike allen
    I hunted white tails a lot when I was a kid in Maine, shot my first when 14 while hunting with my beloved reprobate uncle, Roger. He had been field first sergeant of a rifle company in Korea and then busted back to private and thrown out within six months of returning from “the land of lice and diarrhea.” He taught me to shoot and well. My father and he detested each other. Roger was so far left he would properly have been called an anarchist. My dear old dad was 17 years an enlisted cavalryman before commissioning and had gotten out a couple of times to “try to earn an honest living” as he put it. in those interregna he was a lumberjack for a while and a hobo in another period. Hell, he was a “wobbly,”(IWW) for a while. When I was a little kid he would sing wobbly songs to me while pushing me on the swing. Roger actually didn’t like the old man’s attitude toward me even if they should have been ideological buddies. By the time I was in high school the old man had become fervently Catholic, Knights of Columbus, etc. I really appreciated “Leroy”‘s assertion in “Farewell to the King” that “only a communist could think he could be a king.” That was Roger all over. I loved the guy. He made me a deadly shot with a rifle. I learned on a 30.-.40 KRAG that my French Canadian Grand Pere sold me for $40. Living up in Maine in the ’50s was real Natty Bumpo stuff. A bit like nick Adams in Michigan it was. The old man did not like regular officers. That didn’t help me with him. In re elk meat, I had a student at WP who was the son of a retired navy chief, another anarchist. This guy would send us frozen elk roasts. We found it made great chile. We had another cadet who was Jewish and from east Texas (Tyler) and he would cook the chile according to his mother’s cook’s Tex-Mex recipe with consultations on the phone. This was Evelyn Waugh stuff. sorry to inflict this BS on you. pl

  30. eakens says:

    Trump is the only republican candidate who can beat HRC. It’s Trumps big mouth that has kept him in the news. No other candidate would have been able to sustain the onslaught from the media and HRC’s campaign apparatus because they wouldn’t have had any coverage.

  31. ambrit says:

    I’ll cop to over generalization, but, as I assert in a comment below, politics is inseparable from religion. I assert that with the idea that one’s religious upbringing, or lack thereof, determine one’s conduct in life. So, for the Clintons for example, a strong anti someone else ethos results in a condition of low empathy and a severe character based on judgementality.
    That said, we can dispense with the idea of historical guilt, and substitute for that, cultural guilt, both imposed from without and suffered within. One of the great swindles of the nineteenth century was the imposition of all the guilt associated with the War Between the States upon the South. Nothing was said about the Northern ships that bought over the slaves, or the burgeoning industries that were creating a new class of ‘slave.’
    Nuff said.

  32. AK says:
    Perhaps a dumb question, but does this appear to be an operational opportunity for the RuAF? This all sounds like 9,000 juicy ducks sitting in open terrain. How would the US/Saudis guarantee that safe passage? Overflight coverage of the evacuation route(s), i.e. a No-Fly Zone? It seems that this would be a tough thing to keep quiet, especially if RuAF air defenses make any identification of US aircraft giving cover to this parade? Moscow would have strong incentive to publicize that info everywhere. Of course, I wouldn’t put it past the snakes in Washington to attach some American boots to the convoy to fully dissuade a possible RuAF turkey shoot. Thoughts anyone?

  33. VietnamVet says:

    The number one priority of Israel and the Gulf Monarchies is to keep the Shiite Crescent cut and continue the disposal of excess fanatics. The Syrian Arab Army plus Allies have until January 20, 2017 to take East Aleppo now that the current White House has decided not to fire cruise missiles at Syrian/Russian positions.
    Turkish Armed Forces and a Brigade of the 101st Airborne could walk into Mosul if the Islamic State agrees to shave their beards and the bearded ones retreat to the Euphrates River Basin aborting the Shiite militia’s conquest. Iraq will be pissed.
    Will western media finally report that the West is supporting proxy Islamists? Will Russia and Iran make an agreement with Turkey to partition the Fertile Crescent and quarantine the Jihadists or are the R+6 willing to continue the war to take Raqqa and Deir Ezzor at the risk that greed crazy Westerners led by Hillary Clinton will bumble into WWIII?

  34. Jack says:

    If we think the Middle East is all FUBAR wait until the Borg Queen ascends the throne. She’s definitely gonna try and “scare” the Russians with major covert and overt escalations. The temperature will be raised beyond scalding. And there’s no chance the western MSM will note the alliance between all Qaeda and the west. In fact they’ll be all R2P hysteria. All we can hope for is to be right in the middle of the blast zone and be vaporized immediately.

  35. Dubhaltach says:

    In reply to JerseyJeffersonian 12 October 2016 at 05:33 PM
    If you’re not already familiar with it I think you’d probably greatly enjoy visiting my father’s site:
    Saturday Chorale | A site for lovers of music

  36. Jack says:

    Podesta’s emails show without any shadow of doubt the deep corruption of the Borg. It all makes sense with Slick Willy’s tarmac tryst with Lynch and the DoJ giving a pass. And the level of collusion between the Borg Queen’s campaign and the MSM. The fix is in. It truly is amazing that Les Deplorables have given this much push back with Trump so close. The electoral college does not favor any candidate that is not a Democrat. If the state polls are to be believed then it seems the Borg Queen gets the 270. Only if Les Deplorables turn out in unprecedented numbers can there be the unexpected shock result. I think the Borg will ensure that this doesn’t happen and all possible ways to rig the vote will be attempted to achieve their outcome.

  37. OIFVet says:

    Not to be a stickler, but the proper feminine title is Dauphine. Ok, maybe I am a stickler, but I have eaten enough dirt doing push ups while yelling “Pay attention to detail!” that it’s become an ingrained impulse.

  38. FB Ali says:

    Turkey is unlikely to make any deal with Russia and Iran. Erdogan’s aim is to set up a Sunni principality (under his thumb) in parts of Syria and Iraq.
    That is why Moon of Alabama’s report on a likely IS ‘handover’ of Mosul to Turkey is quite plausible. As is the subsequent move of IS forces to Deir ezZor. For Erdogan, IS are Sunnis he can use to further his ambitions. For the Saudis and Gulfies, IS are right-thinking Wahhabis like themselves. For the US, the “friends of my friends are my friends”.
    The Western media are as complicit in this disgusting business as the participants. As they used to say: a pox upon all of them!

  39. Tyler says:

    Didn’t get drawn for elk this year but got a tag for mule deer. I’ll be going up the last week of this month to try and tag a buck.

  40. Tyler says:

    Funny, I came here to ask if anyone had a good guide for field dressing mule deer and I find I have been pre-empted. Still curious if anyone has one they’d recommend.
    I’d advise hunters and anglers here to check out if you want a bouquet of amazing recipes for anything that flies, walks, or swims.
    I made a few of the recipes relating to doves and rabbits and they’re rather delicious.

  41. Harry says:

    Rabbi means teacher. Jesus was by definition a rabbi. Pharisees were one sect/party and their interpretation of Judaism (primarily Mosaic) gave rise to modern day Judaism. The Sadducees were an elitist group of high born priest who took a more Hellenistic view of Judaism.

  42. Tyler says:

    I’m watching the wikileaks emails with amazement, as every “conspiracy theory” of right wing fever swamps is getting confirmed with each leak.
    – Clinton pay for play (check)
    – Total media collusion with the DNC (check)
    – Bifactional ruling elite made up of the Globetrotters and Generals? (check)
    – Dems R Real Racists (yup)
    And the media is still obsessing over what Trump said 11 years ago.
    Steve Sailer makes the rather astute point that if the media thought Trump was gone, we’d be seeing a lot of snarky Buzzfeed style commentary. Instead its manic-depressive panic that swings between “HAHAH STUPID REPUBLICANS DON’T YOU KNOW HE CAN’T WIN” to “IF TRUMP GETS ELECTED IT’LL BE LIKE HITLER AND STALIN ARE RULING!!”
    Absolutely amazing to watch, along with the Wonk Class taking 500 person polls with a D+20 demo and MOEs that START at +5 as gospel, literal truth.

  43. Degringolade says:

    Colonel, you made me nostalgic as hell….Thank you.
    My left wing familial and friend influences were “Uncle Bill” who went off to fight with the Abraham Lincoln Brigade. A certified and proud left Anarchist. He also cheated at chess. He spent the “Deuce” as a medic.
    Ediie was a close friend of my Dads, though no one could figure out why. A China Marine who had fought both Nationalist and Communist forces during his tour in China in the late thirties. Came back to the states and joined the Army after Pearl Harbor and ended up with my Dad in a landing craft at X-Ray Beach. They took care of each other for years. Ed never, ever stopped giving Dad shit because, after Anzio, Dad decided that he wanted out of a particular “Chicken-Shit outfit”, and the Army gave him a transfer to the First Division and the 16th RCT. This was in May 44.
    Eddie’s always funny quip was “Good Thinking Don”.
    Eddie taught me how to shoot with a M1903 Springfield. I was always good with it, never great.

  44. Harry says:

    Read with great pleasure Sir.
    Thank you.

  45. Keith Harbaugh says:

    Just want to pass on a really great Judicial Watch panel discussion of:
    Clinton emails, Clinton Foundation, the FBI/DOJ investigations.
    Joe diGenova, in particular, has a really scathing assessment of Comey/DOJ.
    Here’s the press release on the discussion:
    and here’s a link to the YouTube video of the 90 minute discussion;
    the link is jiggered to start with diGenova’s contribution,
    but you can manually restart from the beginning (first ten minutes a boring summary by Judicial Watch pres. Tom Fitton):

  46. Anna says:

    Agree. CounterPunch has published another article explaining how the US is risking an initiation of WWIII in Syria:
    “And the reason the policy is always the same is because Washington likes to pick its own leaders, leaders who invariably serve the interests of its wealthy and powerful constituents, particularly Big Oil and Israel. That’s how the system works. Everyone knows this already. Washington has toppled or attempted to topple more than 50 governments since the end of WW2. The US is a regime change franchise, Coups-R-Us.”
    The article makes notice of Hillary’s “gem from the debate:” “I do think the use of special forces, which we’re using, the use of enablers and trainers in Iraq, which has had some positive effects, are very much in our interests, and so I do support what is happening.”
    She is a war criminal and evangelical “chosen” in service to the Empire of Fed Reserve.

  47. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    Ah, yes, many thanks! He appears to be a man after my own heart. My cursory tour has revealed many treasures; all of that Byrd, Tallis, Taverner, Purcell, Schütz, Gibbons, Monteverdi… I will indeed make it my business to visit.
    Psst… I don’t think I saw this work by Gibbons in my quick spin around the premises. “Praise the Lord, O My Soul” as rendered by the Clerkes of Oxenford in an old recording. Boy choristers (with a few forgivable pitch approximations), and some of that fabulous English high descant, this time from the Baroque era.
    I saw some works by Heinrich Franz Biber von Biber, but I don’t think I saw this masterpiece among them. These are the 15 Rosenkranz (Rosary) Sonaten and the Passacaglia in g (The Guardian Angel), here performed by the great violinist Susanne Lautenbacher and cohorts (except for the soul-searing Passacaglia, which is for violin unaccompanied). There are later recordings of these works by period instrument performers, but most of these leave me cold, as they are technically sound but, to my sensibility at least, they miss the devotional burden. These works were played in cathedral to memorialize the Joyful, Sorrowful, and Glorious Mysteries, with each of these categories being five in number. Ms Lautenbacher’s approach is more probing in my estimation. These works often employ the scordatura technique which dictates alternate tunings of the violin to enable certain multiple stoppings and varies the overall sonority. One wonders if Bach was familiar with these works when composing his unaccompanied Sonatas and Partitas for violin?
    My way of thanking you for exposing me to the riches of your father’s site. Perhaps he and his followers might enjoy these works, as well.

  48. Peter in Toronto says:

    Well, it seems the Russian Kuznetsov carrier battle group is enroute, this time for real:

  49. Ishmael Zechariah says:

    Past experience suggests that leaking Clinton e-mails is a dangerous business. I wonder who will get iced this time.
    Ishmael Zechariah

  50. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    A grim hope, but back in my youthful days, in the heart of the Cold War, living as my parents and I were across the Delaware from Philadelphia with Frankford Arsenal and the Navy Yard within miles of our home, I resolved that if I heard of the onset of nuclear war, that I would seat myself on a folding aluminum web chair facing Philly in hopes that I would be instantly winked out of existence rather than be buried under burning ruins to die in prolonged agony.
    The Sword of Damocles hung suspended over our heads. How pitiful that the NeoCons and American Exceptionalists, psychopaths all, are trying to force a revisitation of those times upon us. And to what end?

  51. mike allen says:

    Interesting article in FP e-magazine regarding Syria. Author says it is time to negotiate with Iran over Syria, not Russia.
    Key takeaways I got from the article are:
    1] “Russian and Iranian objectives in Syria are not the same, and there’s no reason to think Iran’s interests are well represented by Russian negotiators.”
    2] “Syria under Hafez al-Assad was the only country in the Middle East to back Iran in its devastating war with Iraq during the 1980s.” So, “Tehran has a very small cadre of allies, and it will sacrifice plenty to avoid losing its oldest friend.”
    3] The Iranians may not want to ever negotiate with us re Syria. But it is worth a try.
    Article was written by Afshon Ostovar. Anyone know of him?

  52. turcopolier says:

    mike allen
    Are you and I straight now? PL

  53. mike allen says:

    When have we ever not been?
    We do not have the same vision on politics, but that should never come between men of good will and breeding? That is what my father told me anyway.

  54. Found a great how-to series put out by Jamestown Distributors, purveyors of all things nautical. There are now 15 short episodes of shipwright Louis Sauzedde building a working skiff. This guy is a true craftsman and one hell of a teacher. He looks and sounds like he taught Popeye how to be salty. A new episode appears every Thursday and each one is worth the wait. I heartedly suggest you skip the cable news and spend some time watching Lou build a boat. I’d give my left nut to apprentice with this guy for a summer. Here’s howhe starts off the series.
    “We’re standing here in my driveway here in Wickford, Rhode Island ready to start another project alongside this boat right here. We’re going to build a brand new work skiff very, very similar to this skiff in the yard right along side of us here.”

  55. mike allen says:

    Colonel –
    I never met my great uncle Douglas. Grandma said he was IWW. But she always defended him from her other brother Clarence (aka Dinty) and from my Grandpa, who were both WW1 Army vets. They always called him a red. She claimed he did his duty in the war even though he was too old to go to France. He was a lumberjack and sawmill operator and during the war he worked with the Spruce Division. That was a military unit, or you might call it paramilitary, up here in the northwest that provided the spruce needed by the Army Air Corps for struts, ribs, etc for the aircraft of those days. No commercial logging outfits at the time were logging spruce. Not a good building material but suited well for early 29th century aviation airframes.

  56. kooshy says:

    This is news to me, interestingly this news is available on Australian news sites , an non on the american MSM
    “Wikileaks shows media helping Clinton”

  57. Earthrise says:

    Porkchop Express,
    I can support your point about Catholics and Methodists. I am the union of two parents from each faith, and when they got married in the late Sixties, they had to get married twice (one in each church). Dad was raised pre-Vatican 2, and pictures of Mum’s relatives were all serious women in neck-to-floor black dresses. When I hear people bagging what Muslim women have to wear, I think of these photos of my relatives a century ago; they are not so different. My fairly conservative country parents though reacted to all this repression, buoyed by the 60’s social revolution, by becoming quite liberal religiously, and my brothers and I are all agnostic at best.
    This experience is why I am very blasé about the “Muslim Threat”. I am the third generation down from very strict and religious ancestors, and I am as liberal and progressive as it is safe to be. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction, cultural repression leads to resistance and change; the very thing the repression was aiming to prevent. While the Empire has shaken our faith in Western Civilisation, I sleep soundly in the knowledge that our culture will break theirs. By this I mean that by the third generation living in our society, they will be Westerners. The growing (and driven) conservative streak in Islam will result in a backlash and hopefully their own Renaissance and Reformation. If only the West would get out of the way!
    The real risk to our civilisation is hyper-Liberalism (Individualism). It is the fatal flaw in Western philosophy, we are throwing the baby out with the bath water. Breaking people into isolated, selfish individuals not only suits the other two evil sisters of the West (Capitalism and Imperialism), but it results in the dissolution the Social Contract; the rending of family and community. This is the continuing strength of traditional societies, and they will not integrate fully into the West if they see that it as destructive. I live in the New World, and I find that the regular influx of migrants from traditional backgrounds refreshes our culture and reminds us of what we are in danger of losing. I wonder if this is why all the anger, people don’t like being shown their flaws.
    (Mod, not sure if this came through a minute ago when I tried to send it)

  58. Earthrise says:

    I saw this last night, it is a little bit of click bait. Some of the ‘moderate’ rebels are offering to ‘self-separate’ from Al Qaeda. But as Al Nusra is the primary combatant in East Aleppo, the champagne will have to stay on ice for a little longer.

  59. Tidewater says:

    Tidewater says,
    I visited your father’s site–and selected ‘Make Me A Channel of Your Peace’ by the choir of the Dragon School of Oxford. It was very well done and very touching. A sense of joy to listen to and also watch. Don’t do that much. Need to more. Thank you for telling us about it.

  60. mike allen says:

    FKDahl –
    Great recipe – thanks! I’ll try it.

  61. Swampy says:

    My mother in law is from McComb and confirmed that Catholics were considered 1/10 of 1% of a person. Her mother was baptist who married a catholic. She had to sign away her legal right to not interfere in the religion of her children. She was also not allowed to be married in the church and they had the wedding in the rectory. She said she really didn’t notice anything about closet catholics and thought the cross burning were related to negro sympathizers. She remembers how a bombing in the black neighborhood once shook her parents house.

  62. Doug Colwell says:

    Somehow, in a way I don’t yet understand, I think you’ve told me why I am so drawn to your site. Thank you sir.

  63. Castellio says:

    Thanks for the link. It is worthwhile to see how civil society can organize to push back against institutionalized corruption.

  64. Ghostship says:

    I can’t see the Iraqis being too happy with that let alone the Russians and Syrians. The ISIS convoy that fled Fallujah towards the desert was hit first by the Iraqis because the Coalition were worried there might be civilians in the convoy.
    A passage at Bellingcat questions why the convoy would travel so openly:
    “According to Fallujah’s mayor al-Issawi, IS fighters that had fled Fallujah gathered in Hassai. If this is indeed the case, it means that the convoy would not have had to cross the Euphrates with vehicles. But even if that would be the case, such a massive convoy would not have attempted to flee without assurances that the army would not fight them, al-Issawi is cited as saying in WaPo: “They wouldn’t take such a risk unless they had a deal with some side […] Why would they drive more than 500 cars in an exposed agricultural area?”
    In the past, Iraqi forces have left open escape routes for IS militants to escape the urban areas and go into the desert, according to WaPo. But the Iraqi MoD’s spokesperson Rasoul dismissed that claim as “nonsense”.
    Maybe it was as with the coalition.

  65. kooshy says:

    IMO, it’s a wishful thinking to think Iran will make a deal on Syria, the reason is Iran is a minority in her region and surroundings,she is a minority both religiously and ethnically, to survive she needs to keep her allies and do not throw them under the bus, she makes alliances to support them (like she did with Russia) not to undermine them behind their back. But, as a matter of fact, what Iran has that is helping him to gain support from the other minorities in her region is her influence due to her unique religion and culture. IMO, Iran will not negotiate to US liking on Iraq, Syria, Lebanon. As matter of fact IMO is easier to negotiate with Russians on this matter if US sets aside her zero sum demands.

  66. johnf says:

    The run in between The Borg and the Catholic Church is inevitable and has been underway for some time.
    The Catholic Church, after the Chinese State, is the longest surviving institution on earth. Nearly two thousand years. It is also the largest institution on earth. In its philosophical and theological bedrock and roots it is profoundly opposed to the evanescent, materialist, Hobbesian, amoral, power-worshipping individualism and greed of The Borg.
    Any institution rooted in the revolutionary thesis:
    “God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are” (1 Corinthians 1:27-28).
    the Borg is going to find disruptive of its aims. Especially with a Pope with a Liberation Theology background who attacks Wall St and capitalism and the misery in its present form it causes, who backs Putin in his Middle East policy, and criticizes Israel. To say nothing of iThe Church’s opposition to sexual, artistic and moral hedonism.
    Anyone who attends church knows the times are changing. Our congregation has doubled in the last five years. The Borg has a fight on its hands. From a man who drives around in an old Fiat and lives in a hostel.

  67. Old Microbiologist says:

    I think it was a missed opportunity as they are already attacking Deir Ezzor en masse. But, it is very strange for that to have happened so possibly you are correct and there are embedded US forces. It could also be a “deal” and Russia could be open to carving up Syria and this part goes to the Gulfies, or it could be tacit permission to take Aleppo as a tit for tat arrangement. That Russia didn’t obliterate the convoys is very revealing although they may be completely occupied with Aleppo. We will see what happens after Aleppo falls.

  68. Old Microbiologist says:

    This fits into the quiet evacuation of Mosul by all ISIS forces and movement to Deir Ezzor. I suspect we will see the Aleppo forces also move that direction should this news be correct. It means a deal has been achieved, perhaps only temporarily, to permit a consolidation of ISIS to this region (close to Saudi support) where we can assume they will be knocked off later. Russia has a future problem that when these ISIS forces (the majority are former FSU citizens) will need to go somewhere else and Russia would be the logical next step. It is perhaps far better to get them to gather in one region in a far corner of Syria that can be taken care of later once the rest of Syria is restored to a semblance of peace. Time will reveal all.

  69. Old Microbiologist says:

    Make certain it is well cooked though as Brucellosis is a major problem in Elk.

  70. Peter AU says:

    I see the US has attacked Yemen with cruise missiles. Pay back for hitting the UAE ship I guess.
    Was some mixed babble about an attack on a US ship – investigating if a Yemen radar had painted the ship ect. Either it was painted or it wasn’t. No investigation required.
    I guess this is the result of the US reviewing it’s relations with Saudi after the attack on the funeral?
    No power to stand up for Yemen. What a disgusting world.

  71. trinlae says:

    Very civil discussion amidst the current TMJ tone.
    Open mic question here however:
    Is Chris Ferrel wearing an army insignia ring (~23min)?
    (I have inherited my grandfather’s army and father’s annapolis cufflinks and father also had USNA class ring ut never saw an insignia ring)
    It would be interesting to hear SST reader response how it makes one feel to see such a ring and understand something what it represents.
    The one obvious indicator it looks to represent is a sense or oath of accountability to someone other than oneself.

  72. Tigermoth says:

    Remember when ISIS was forced out of Fallujah in Iraq not so long ago and the US Coalition wouldn’t bomb their convoys so the Iraqi Air Force obliged? The MSM was using Iraqi Air Force footage and claiming it was the US Coalition. Eventually, the US was “shamed” into the attack.
    There seems to be movement in this direction for Mosul. BO would like to have “liberated” Mosul before he leaves; I thought it was militarily impossible looking at the effort taking Manbij took, and this would be an immensely larger urban environment to do battle in. But if they just walk away like in Jarabulus, BO has got his cherry on the top. So to me this is plausible.

  73. ked says:

    Consternation over the latest trove of Wiki-leaked emails may be overblown and so over-dramatized in our overwrought October Surprise-Seeking sweeps.

  74. Tigermoth says:

    This appears to be with only some to the jihadists according to at
    Tweet on . They would exit via Bustan Al Qasr area abit south of the Citadel.
    But every little bit would help.

  75. Pundita says:

    When it comes to the point where nobody in the society believes a word their government says, when it comes to the point where nobody believes the reporting from their news media, isn’t the question of whether the society is a democracy somewhat mooted?
    I qualified the question because there are still Americans who believe what the government and news media say, even though this belief is becoming very selective; e.g., it’s all a pack of lies except when my favorite political candidate/news commentator says it.
    Yet selective belief and skepticism have always been with us; what seems different now, in the USA, is the large number who’ve crossed the line separating skepticism from disbelief. If one simply doesn’t believe what elected officials say — then whether there’s freedom to vote them into office begs the question of how they’re to govern in a democratic manner without resorting to subterfuges that if exposed only sow greater disbelief.
    What creates the disbelief? When deeds belie words; when this becomes habitual. Yet the conflict between what one says and does is considered a tradeoff in the democratic political process.
    So if lying is actually the hallmark of political life, has democracy quite literally talked itself into a corner?

  76. Pundita says:

    I discovered Saturday Chorale while researching a Christmas liturgical chant, “O Magnum Mysterium.” It is an absolutely wonderful website. My thanks to your father.

  77. steve says:

    I suspect that if and when Clinton is elected, that a few months into her presidency all of the things that were brought to light by wikileaks as well as many other things, will be in the forefront of news coverage. Following her public position v. private position stance, her campaign promises will be broken one by one–TPP and the protection of social security for example.
    And the media will then wring its hands and shout, “who could’ve known?”

  78. Will says:

    “Elijah J. Magnier ‏@EjmAlrai 1h1 hour ago
    If #SAA take control of E #Aleppo,the 3d corp will be free to head toward Deirezzour. This is why #USA wants to keep it ongoing @Sam1Fisher”

  79. Lars says:

    All these side issues do not matter much. In America, as evident in the current election campaign, the main issue is sex.

  80. JackH says:

    I’m sure a lot of Catholics’ first thought on reading this anti-Catholic crap was what if this had been said about Judaism or Islam. Halpin’s swipe at Aquinas or Thomistic principles is typical of anti-Catholic apostates. Maybe because Aquinas was not ambivalent on open borders, illegal immigration, the accepting of Muslim refugees, e.g. al.?
    “The relations of men with outsiders can be of two types, viz., peaceful and hostile… [A]ccording to [Aristotle] in Politics 3, in certain nations it was prescribed that no one would be counted as a citizen except those whose grandparents or great-grandparents had been citizens. The reason for this is that if outsiders, upon arriving, were immediately admitted into deliberations about matters pertaining to the people, many dangers could arise. For instance, outsiders, not yet having a
    firm love for the public good, might strive for certain goals in opposition to the people.”
    (Summa Theologiae, I-II, Q. 105, Art. 3, [Freddosso transl.])
    But for every Halpin you have a Harry Crocker III, a Harvard-educated Catholic convert and war historian (and Robert E. Lee biographer and admirer) who is a yuge Trump supporter.

  81. LeaNder says:

    Interesting article. One passage reminds me of a French novel I read a long, long time ago on my way back from France to London, forget what it was. Maybe it was L’Arrache-Coeur by Boris Vian.
    Now the public wants to project its own shame onto Trump. His humiliation serves as a kind catharsis for the nation’s own systemic sexism. Perhaps NOW will give him a medal one day for his “sacrifice”…
    Concerning the passage below: Don’t surfaces, images always matter more then substance? And isn’t this only an extremely absurd setting in this context? Not that she doesn’t go into Clinton too.
    Last time I did an extensive test on my political preferences that gave me the results in the end, it showed a high streak of green among liberal/libertarian leanings. …
    + The GOP is just fine with Trump’s racist insults of blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, body-shaming of women, adultery, past allegations of sexual assault and rape. Finally draws the line at what, exactly? Profanity?
    thanks, JJ.
    “There must be some way out of here”
    Said the joker to the thief
    “There’s too much confusion
    I can’t get no relief”
    Dylan via Hendrix:

  82. Allen Thomson says:

    > I beginning to think any GOP candidate other than Trump could beat HRC…
    Someone else seems to have had that fear back in March:
    “Right now I am petrified that Hillary is almost totally dependent on Republicans nominating [Donald] Trump,” Brent Budowsky, a political columnist and former political adviser, wrote in a March 2016 email to Podesta and Roy Spence, an ad maker for the campaign. “She has huge endemic political weaknesses that she would be wise to rectify.
    “Even a clown like Ted Cruz would be an even money bet to beat and this scares the hell of out me,” Budowsky added.

  83. LeaNder says:

    I somewhat agree with your train of thought. After all the WOT managed to produce a stronger ideology than it–I am no expert and distrust a lot of them–existed before.
    Russia has a future problem that when these ISIS forces (the majority are former FSU citizens)
    Where do you get concrete numbers from. We had this percentage type of question exchange before. 😉
    Over here we have this odd story. Here via a twitter glimpse, I found following your earlier reference to b’s latest article, I assume.

  84. LeaNder says:

    Pat, the world is full of stupid people, many, many of them are what is labeled as educated people. I can understand that you are irritated by the idea of forming a pressure or pressure groups to force the Catholic Church into line. But strictly that’s PR business as usual. And it is to a rather high percentage superficial business.
    Pegida was formed over here by a PR man, just as his network of Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the Occident. AfD, the Alternative for Germany Party, rides on the wave of fear to election success to an extend I never witnessed before. The wave of refugees though, was something PR couldn’t have created. Only the linking of the ideology with facts (“on the ground” – Dostojevsky in mind here) made it successful.

  85. Joe100 says:

    Babelfish –
    Great country up that way!
    I notice from an earlier post of yours about deer hunting on the border that you must spend time in that neighborhood. My wife and I are heading up this weekend to our camp in Salem Township where October is our favorite month.

  86. turcopolier says:

    I don’t mind if people want to pressure the Church. I would like to see them pressured to accept married and women priests and a realistic position on contraception, not abortion, but contraception. The Church’s stance against abortion is a bedrock moral judgment that cannot be changed without destroying the institution. I would be pleased to see the trappings of medieval garb and monarchy dumped as well. No. What I object to is the “marketing” of information with the intent to create a chosen reality in the public mind. pl

  87. Eric says:

    Are you willing to speak about why you support entry of women into the priesthood? My understanding of the interplay between Tradition and “liberalization of faith” is that the latter destroys the Church and her communities, as measured by generational-trendline attendance.

  88. Bill Herschel says:

    As I have said before, it was John Baron and the rest of the Conservative MP renegades who, by defeating Cameron’s proposal to go to war in Syria over the supposed sarin attack, made it impossible for Obama to make good on his red line trigger to send troops to Syria.
    Well, I was right. And, if I was convinced before that it is the intent of the Obama administration to go to war in Syria, I am more convinced now. This article describes an effort in the House of Commons to create enough parliamentary support for war to prevent a recurrence of the previous rebellion:
    The new Prime Minister, May, when questioned about this “debate”, was not supportive. And the “debate” was attended by a pitiful minority of MP’s. Hence, there will be no British involvement in a “no-fly zone” in Syria. The trial balloon has gone up and been shot down.
    France? Germany? I don’t know. But the intent is very, very clear.
    The calculation goes like this. The “war” can be kept non-global and non-nuclear. The “war” will be a financial bonanza for the same people who have made billions off Iraq and Afghanistan. Somebody has to profit from the 500 billion a year, and it sure as hell isn’t the American people.

  89. Bill Herschel says:
    He mentions public opinion polls in Britain. The propaganda machine is intent on war.

  90. Abu Sinan says:

    I spent a couple of years on a remote military instillation in Alaska before I moved to Virginia. I was able to bag some carribou, which tastes rather nice. Not much different than deer. I hunted beaver whilst I was there, but it was far too greasy and gamey tasting for me. Same with moose. The highlight of Alaska for me were very long summer nights, coming off the river at 1am with it being as light as day, and all of the salmon and trout you could eat.

  91. Babak Makkinejad says:

    For all of you interested in human travel to Mars –
    You will get there but without your brain:

  92. Frank says:

    Didn’t the US already respond?
    I believe they bombed 3 Houthi sites along the coast.
    False flag success!

  93. ambrit says:

    Thank you for that Swampy. How quickly ‘we’ forget the travails of our forebears.

  94. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Pharisees (from فارسی ) were Persian Jews who had learnt their legalism from Zoroastrian priesthood.

  95. turcopolier says:

    IMO the fixation on male clergy is a relic of social norms in the Mediterranean world in the first few centuries of Christianity rather than in scripture. These attitudes continued in medieval times but IMO should end. I think there are many vocations to the priesthood that cannot be fulfilled in present circumstance and I doubt if that is really the will of the Holy Spirit. pl

  96. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I do not think so; the anti-clerical line of attack against the Catholic Church is very very clear in Western Diocletian movies as well as literature over decades.
    It is the analogue of the anti-God program of the Communists in Eastern Europe and Russia. I think it must be the continuation of the Enlightenment Program against all kinds of superstition.
    The Church and, indeed Jesus, remains the target; note that something like the Pussy Riot incident in the Church of Christ the Savior is inconceivable – to the Diocletian people – in Yad wa Shem.
    “Jesus bad, Moses good” it seems to me.

  97. apol says:

    France and Germany have fraégile big banks that can be crashed in an instant… quite apart from the dirt held on Hollande and Merkel.
    They make good puppets.
    The UK, home to the City is another affair IMO.

  98. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Muslims do not constitute a race and thus Trump’s comments about them is not racist – by definition. They might be considered bigoted but not racist.

  99. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Not “right-thinking” rather “un-thinking”.

  100. Sam Peralta says:

    Have you read the emails? Or is it the classic partisan dismissal of everyone does it when your side does it?
    I have read some of the emails and they’re are pretty damning as to the level of behind the scenes collusion and corruption. It should be obvious that Crooked Hillary was special when the DoJ dropped the indictment that any other person in government entrusted with classified information would have been crucified.

  101. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I would not be surprised if Deutsch Bank has to be bailed out by the Federal Republic.

  102. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I think the real threat to your civilization is all these attempts – over the past 400 years – to discard the message of Jesus, the Blessed Son of Mary. Without it, the Western Diocletian Civilization will disintegrate – certainly in North America and Western Europe; although it might survive in vestigial forms South of Rio Grande.

  103. Sam Peralta says:

    Its rather apparent that Obama and the ziocon cabal are intent on escalating a conflict with Russia. Obama wants to create the casus belli and R2P hysteria is a perfect foil for the marketing campaign. The propaganda has been flying fast these past few months and only the strong Russian military presence in Syria has prevented an overt action.
    Maybe they are preparing the ground for Crooked Hillary to have her “mission accomplished” moment strutting on a carrier deck.

  104. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I agree.
    At any rate, an offer was made by Iran to US last year – within sphere of influence concept – on the division of the Middle East. US was not interested.

  105. mike allen says:

    Kooshy –
    Most of what you say is echoed in the article whose link in foreign policy magazine I mentioned above.
    He agrees that Iran does not want to negotiate at all with us on Syria. And if they ever did sit down at the table, they would never make a deal unless we made massive concessions.
    But he feels it is worth the effort to try. By his name I assume he is of Persian heritage, but that is a guess on my part. Perhaps you know.

  106. Imagine says:

    I am designing what it would take to put together a pilot study of an information think tank, and would like to throw open for suggestions. I think I’d concentrate on economics first, as 2008 showed economists still need help, and presenting good predictions/explanation viewpoints could make a big difference with small resources. So something vaguely like The Economist or BusinessWeek, or RAND/SRI topic papers. Perhaps later get into geopolitics, but that seems fraught.
    The enterprise would have to be based on integrity, I think there’s a market for realistic info that’s not Borg-colored. Integrity requires independence. Independence seems to require not taking money from large players, so I haven’t worked that one out yet. Perhaps a subscription model, and no special reports? Two tiers, regular + access to special reports? Should I take commissioned studies / special projects? How to maintain integrity and still get income?
    I also still have not wrapped my head around our host’s admonitions to separate intelligence from policy. Synthesizing mild policy recommendations from data seems to be part of perception, as once you see what’s going on, courses of action become obvious. Also a large value-add is predictions of how courses of events are likely to run. It seems like The Economist, Bloomberg, Washington Post all do these. I suppose I could present projections objectively and let the facts speak for themselves. How to advise economists with future projections and info while still maintaining integrity?
    Half of good reporting seems to require clear explanations; I hope clear explanations could help policy makers and leaders.
    But this would be unpopular with some. How to keep from getting firebombed, or worse, for speaking too much truth?
    Thank you in advance for any suggestions/discussion.

  107. jld says:

    For this kind of music I would recommend the Finnish chorale Lumen Valo:

  108. Cee says:

    Col. Lang,
    I read the the Wikileaks about them trying to insert themselves in the church to make change like the Color Revolutions abroad.
    How dare they! I’ve told my friends that they should print flyers of the information to handout after mass.
    I believe in separation of church and state so the priests should stay out of this but the faithful should ACT!!!
    I just thought of the dearly departed Father Romero Maybe we are nearing that time that the clergy should step up. Clinton has to be stopped.

  109. jld says:

    When it comes to the point where nobody in the society believes a word their government says, when it comes to the point where nobody believes the reporting from their news media

    Emmm… no we are not there yet, unfortunately, the propaganda still works very well.

  110. Cee says:

    Col. Lang,
    Operation Mockingbird on steroids?

  111. Valissa says:

    There is some evidence that in early Christianity in some regions women were ordained as priests, especially in Ireland but elsewhere as well. Over the years I have read of this in various sources. Found this article online that lists some of those.

  112. The Beaver says:

    @ Frank
    It is wrt the first attack.
    The US responded after the second attack that occurred yesterday.

  113. jld says:

    Not a problem, most people have no use for a brain.

  114. mike allen says:

    Jennifer Palmieri is a Catholic. So is John Podesta.
    I do not know what religion John Halpin professes.
    I was raised by Catholics, Methodists and Congregationalists. There is room for all of them in our country.

  115. Tigermoth says:

    This statement to the Iraqi PM proves Erdogan is not a stable person:
    ““You are not my interlocutor, you are not at my level, you are not my equivalent, you are not of the same quality as me,””Erdogan said, addressing Abadi’s criticism of the Turkish military presence on Iraq’s territory.”
    It is probably best to watch your back in any relations with this guy.

  116. LeaNder says:

    Babak, I recall that a not-published British poet friend of mine used it as a synonym for hypocrites. Ok, I guess he wouldn’t mind to be mentioned ‘namewise’ considering his name: John Williams. I wasn’t really aware of the Pharisees before, admittedly.
    To cut things short he or more likely my attempts at understanding the origins of the usage led me via attempts of equating the Pharisees with the Phoenicians.
    What is your, I suppose, linguistic basis relying on? I know, nitwit question.

  117. Tigermoth says:

    Thanks for the music link. Just what the doctor ordered!

  118. turcopolier says:

    mike allen
    They don’t talk like Catholics. I don’t know about the Congregationalists. My English ancestors kept moving away from them. pl

  119. mike allen says:

    Spiegel has a good article regarding Abu Al Ezz in the Todenhofer video.
    States they have interviewed many of his former neighbors from the village of Hareybel who claim his name is Ahmed Ezzu Sheikh al-Dai’a.
    They claim Ahmed Ezzu, a former petty criminal was a “Shabiha”, a “ghost”, as those fighters are called who belong to militias supporting Assad.
    Until recently, his Facebook profile showed him in a military uniform. But just hours after the name Ezzu the Shabiha started making the rounds, the photo on his Facebook profile was blocked.

  120. LeaNder says:

    I don’t agree, Babak. We without doubt don’t live in times of Rabbi Jesus anymore. Could it be, we never did over the centuries?
    To not go into details here, I am not a fan of Puzzy Riot, never was. I deeply dislike the whole strain in the arts and the resulting fame (larger context) that relies only on scandal.
    Assmann produced, I maybe wrongly assume, quite a bit of an unintended scandals over here. The problem with him, he is often more easy to listen to than to follow in writing. Considering “Jesus bad, Moses good”:

  121. Babak Makkinejad says:

    “I wasn’t really aware of the Pharisees before, admittedly.”
    Astonishing statement of ignorance; given your repeated claims to be a lapsed Catholic – being unaware of how much Jesus inveighed against the Pharisees.
    Even I know of that.

  122. steve says:

    Funny you should say that about moose. I’ve eaten plenty of mooseburgers in Canada (they claimed it was 100% moose meat, but who knows) and I thought it was absolutely delicious. Not gamey at all to me and better than any hamburger–plenty juicy and tasty.

  123. LeaNder says:

    Babak, Catholic education was based mainly on the Catechism at my time, maybe still is at its core. Selected New Testament stories with a multiple choice type of questions at the end. I bought a bible when I at one point in time changed to the Protestant religion classes in school. I simply did not pay attention to the word before I stumbled across it again as some type of “urban dictionary” type of usage, imagine. …
    Concerning ignorance. Did I ever tried to look like anything else but an ignorant person? I thought I had established that image by now.

  124. mike allen says:

    I don’t hold much with Congregationalists either. Much too Puritan for my taste, it was my maternal grandmother’s church since her childhood baptism, yet they ostracized her because my philandering grandpa dumped her for a younger woman.
    I do have great respect for both the Catholic Church and the Methodists. I am now reading Mark Riebling’s book on Pius XII’s secret war against Hitler. A good read, I think I got the tip on that book from you or one of your commenters. Pius XII was sadly much maligned.
    The Methodists retained many Catholic traditions. Or maybe they got them fro the Episcopalians. I am not a historian of theology.
    In any case I’m headed to the store to stock up on bottled water and flashlight batteries. The local news is prediction a big blow here. Fortunately nothing like what they just experienced in Coastal Georgia and Florida. But back in 2007 we in the NW did get winds in excess of 120 MPH. So SWMBO wants to be prepared.

  125. steve says:

    Don’t know if you’re interested but since you hunt—while a moose tag is really difficult to get at least in the lower 48, if you were ever so inclined to hunt moose you might try Ontario. I live in north Iowa which is only about a 7 hours drive from the border and have known a couple of locals who have bagged one up there.
    I don’t believe there is any more difficulty in getting a moose tag in Ontario for a US citizen than there would be for a Quebec citizen–you would just be a normal non-resident, and tags seem easy to get given the large moose population, or at least used to be.
    I only mention this because reading this thread made me hungry for moose, and thought I could live vicariously, lol!

  126. BabelFish says:

    My brother has a place in Eustis that is our base. I usually come up for either grouse or deet. BTW, one of our group.just bagged a moose this morning.

  127. Allen Thomson says:

    > Delicious but dry. Up here we usually marinate it or make jerky. It has been a long time though.
    Sort of a random thought, but it might be worth giving the currently trendy sous vide technique a try. Haven’t tried it myself, but a 12-ish hour bath apparently breaks down the cartilage and does a great job of tenderizing and moistening otherwise dry/tough meat.
    (My late and favorite uncle Jim lived in Billings and took his limit of ungulates every year. Yummy venison, mooseburgers and antelope ham resulted.)

  128. BabelFish says:

    The 30-40 lives on, now owned by my nephew, Joshua. Still works nicely.

  129. Haralambos says:

    Yves Smith has this up in the links today on Naked Capitalism:
    The incidents reported and and the spin on this do not align with my take here in Greece. The Greek media have reported clashes between the migrants and incidents of rape, violence, theft and vandalism, but the media organs have not reported the incidents of leafletting of migrant camps with calls for a jihad here to establish an Islamic state:
    ‘On September 26, 2016, in the Tympaki region of the island of Crete, people found all over the streets quotes from the Quran. The text, signed by the “Muslim Brotherhood of Crete Island”, stated among other things:
    ‘”You are the senior people of the whole world, Only your faith counts and no one else has the right of life and death and ownership over every other person who dares to challenge your leadership and will not embrace your faith.
    ‘”Allah requires from the believers to be masters of the land where they live, and only they can have property, and only we will be able to own the land.
    ‘”Allah said that we should conquer all the planet, and the faithful ones should own the land and the crops.
    “Unbelievers cannot have land and crops because it belongs only to us – the believers.
    ‘”Unbelievers will have from us – as the holy Quran assures us – only alms.”‘
    Some of the comments on the thread speculate about motives and the ideology of the source.
    This looks to me to be one more neocon initiative along the lines of the PNAC. The Chairman is Ambassador John R. Bolton, whom I remember well from the presidency of Bush the Younger. Any thoughts on, “why now?” and “why here?” in Greece?

  130. Allen Thomson says:

    > There is some evidence that in early Christianity in some regions women were ordained as priests.
    Yes, the seven undisputed Pauline epistles show several examples of women holding more-or-less equal positions in the mid-first century congregations Paul was addressing. Didn’t last all that long, as the later pseudepigraphical 1 Timothy shows.

  131. johnT says:
    Obama and the Generals meet tomorrow. Lavrov and Kerry Saturday.

  132. turcopolier says:

    My SWAG would be that Obama will not let them drag him to war in Syria. The man has some value. pl

  133. turcopolier says:

    What do you do with a dead moose? That is a very big animal. Do you hang it for a while and then take it to a game butcher? I was in interior Alaska in the winter of 1963 at the arctic warfare training center. We students hunted on the weekend but were not allowed to shoot moose or buffalo because there was nothing we could do with the carcass. If I remember our previous conversation my mother (bless her) gave the KRAG and my other guns away when they moved to California during my first year away at college. Rollande never seemed to grasp the idea that my property was not hers to dispose of. She gave it to your dad? I remember that it was a cut down infantry rifle. I am glad it has a good home. I had another KRAG a few years back that had been sporterized, English walnut Monte Carlo stock, the works. I sold that one. pl

  134. Babak Makkinejad says:

    My mother did the same with some of my stuff…

  135. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Thank you for your response.
    Of which subjects are you not ignorant; that you have some deep or expert knowledge?

  136. Eric says:

    I am grateful that you replied. Thank you.

  137. oofda says:

    Ever hunted or eaten pronghorn antelope? Also very good eating.

  138. ked says:

    Yes, I have. My view is similar to that of the article’s author – that’s why I provided the link.
    Do you embrace your own partisanship? I ask because you refer to the Dem candidate, as “Crooked Hillary”, a phrase popularized by Trump and his partisans. As for myself, I am not so invested to consider myself a partisan by typical measure. I just don’t like Trump’s manners (for starters).
    “… the level of behind the scenes…” anything & everything in a presidential campaign is enough to make most people glad they aren’t in the game. While I don’t know how partial you are to dispassionate analysis, I do not find these private correspondence (and similar conversations) among campaign staff an order of magnitude worse than previous campaigns – maybe just twice as bad.
    Have you ever worked as staff in a high level corporate or government setting where every day & every issue was treated like life & death (I don’t mean violent combat… merely losing job, house, family, etc.)? Things get can get pretty ugly at times.
    Anyway, I look forward to the avalanche of post-election exposes of the campaigns’ inner voices. Could exceed the excess of this weaky leak. May be a Pulitzer in it for someone.

  139. pl and mike allen,
    “What do you do with a dead moose?”
    That’s a very good question. Many years ago, I thought seriously about hunting moose with a black powder gun. I envisioned myself drifting towards a foraging bull on a misty morning in a canoe and boom. Then what. What would I do with a moose carcass and a canoe deep in the north woods? I’m glad I thought it through and discarded that plan.

  140. Eric Newhill says:

    Rasmussen poll out today. Trump +2 nationally.
    It seems that the more the Borg hurls crap at Trump, the more it hurts Clinton and the Borg.
    Maybe a true political revolution is happening?

  141. Kooshy says:

    Yes he has an Iranian heritage, assumingly at least from the father side. There are Yazi Ostovars from Provence of Yazd, I am not sure if he comes from that Yazdi family.

  142. mike allen,
    I grew up in a rural Connecticut town in a former glebe house across the town green from the Congregational Church. The town was half Roman Catholic and half Congregationalists. There were six kids in my family and six in the Congregational minister’s family. We all got along famously and became lifelong friends. The same was true throughout the town. This was even more remarkable since the Congregationalists were all multi-generational old town residents and us Catholics were mostly immigrants and children of immigrants.
    I think a lot of this was due to the larger than life strength of the ministers and pastors of the town. Father O’Dea was the only pastor I knew growing up. He was a Navy chaplain in the Pacific during the War, a rock in the parish and the community. I served mass for him for seven years. He made it a point to maintain a strong relationship with the old Congregational minister, the Reverend Doris Belcher, and the Beck family when they took over the ministerial duties.
    Our parish was founded in 1939. The Congregationalist town residents graciously invited them to meet and celebrate mass in the town grange, the only large building in the town at the time (other than the many barns.) Perhaps there is a difference between the rural Congregationalists and the big city ones. Perhaps this difference can be traced to the difference between the Boston Puritans and the “frontier” Puritans like those who founded my boyhood hometown.

  143. FkDahl says:

    I would expect dressing and eating a moose would be part of Arctic Survival training, no?

  144. turcopolier says:

    Too much meat and the US Army is a conservationist organization. It always was. Army posts are so laden with game that they have to be thinned out from time to time. It was commercial buffalo hunters who nearly exterminated the buffalo, not the Army. We were in Alaska to learn to operate in the arctic, not to learn to survive there. You could not subsist a large combat and support unit on game. Having said that there was a good deal of training in personal survival in case you were separated from your unit. This kind of training was conducted by soldiers of the Eskimo Scout units of the Alaska National Guard. pl

  145. turcopolier says:

    In Sanford, Maine when I lived there in the 50s the Protestants and Catholics (about half and half) studiously ignored each other except in work situations. Now they are mostly married to each other. pl

  146. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Men (and women) cannot hold their drug:

  147. mike allen says:

    TTG –
    I’ve never hunted moose.
    But am intrigued by your visions of moose hunting in a canoe with a black powder rifle. My brother-in-law hunts with black powder, and his puts out a bigger kick than a ten gauge goose gun. What would happen if you fired abeam instead of due forward? How far would the canoe roll, or do you have something hi-tech and recoil free?
    I ask because in the distant past I dumped myself and SWMBO in Lake George from a rented canoe. She came ashore spitting mad, with a ruined hairdo, and a lost purse. Seemed like I swam down 10 foot to the lake bottom a hundred times before retrieving her purse. She still to this day occasionally calls me “tippecanoe” when she thinks I get too full of myself.

  148. Valissa says:

    Given the comments on Congregationalists, I believe some education about them is in order.
    Although my parents, as Danish immigrants to the US, were Lutherans, when they moved to a small town in upstate NY in the early 60’s there was no Lutheran church within a reasonable driving distance. So they explored the various options and joined the local Congregational church. It was the most liberal protestant church in town. I ended up having my Confirmation there at age 15. I wrote it myself, with the full support of my minister, and it was rather unconventional though I was careful not to offend. Clearly a precursor to my current independent and eclectic spiritual philosophy, practices and beliefs 😉 FYI, one definition of Confirmation is – per Wikipedia: “in some denominations, Confirmation also bestows full membership in a local congregation upon the recipient.” In my Congo Church, it was not about accepting a particular ideology. It was about being accepted into the congregation as an adult.
    “Congregational or Congregationalist churches are Protestant churches practicing congregationalist church governance, in which each congregation independently and autonomously runs its own affairs. … Modern Congregationalism in the United States is largely split into three bodies: the United Church of Christ, the National Association of Congregational Christian Churches and the Conservative Congregational Christian Conference, which is the most theologically conservative.”
    Perhaps now it is clear that there is no standard or orthodox ideology that defines Congregationalists, despite their Puritan origins centuries prior. The Congregational church I grew up in eventually became part of the liberal United Church of Christ. Across the US in the latter 20th century individual Congregationalist churches either stayed independent (very few), joined the UCC or joined the other orgs mentioned above, some very conservative.
    BTW, according to a history of Unitarianism I read long ago, the Unitarians in Massachusetts attempted to get the Congregationalists to join up with them before they finally ended up decades later joining with the Universalists.

  149. mike allen says:

    Valissa –
    Thanks for the links on Dylan and RWCP.
    I had previously seen the Dylan story on Spiegel, but thought the American press was ignoring it to focus on the elections and Kardashians.
    I still occasionally go to Catholic services. Mostly with Irish family friends, for weddings, funerals Christmas and Easter. They laugh and call me a Chreaster(sp?). When I go I normally take communion from the Priests assistant, a woman. Not sure if she is a nun or just a parishioner.

  150. turcopolier says:

    mike allen
    “Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion” is the correct term. pl

  151. mike allen says:

    TTG –
    My grandmother was from rural northern Maine. Lived on a farm most of her life but both her and my grandfather went south to work in the textile and shoe factories in Lewiston, Haverill and Lynn before those moved out of state.
    But as I said earlier in this thread: “I was raised by Catholics, Methodists and Congregationalists. There is room for all of them in our country.”

  152. mike allen says:

    Thanls Valissa –
    I am sure my grandmother’s ostracism by her congregation had more to do with personalities than church doctrine.
    After that I recall she tried a number of different faiths. Funny you mentioned Unitarianism as that was one she seemed more attracted to than others. At least she stayed with it longer.

  153. Tyler says:

    Modern history shows us that female clergy quickly leads to liberalizing of doctrine until it becomes more of a social club and less or a religion.
    No, thanks.

  154. Tyler says:

    This was Ft. Greeley, up near Delta Junction, correct?
    We were doing a mortar gunnery exercise and got stranded up there thanks to a snowstorm shutting down air mobility and the highways. Nothing was moving.
    Logistically the civilians’ attitude at the post was “feed yourselves” so someone in the command staff ended up ordering $300 worth of pizzas from Delta Junction.

  155. Mark Logan says:

    Good stuff. I haven’t been watching a lot of TV lately myself. Decided to do my own roof this summer/fall. We got hit with some pretty big unexpected bills this year and all “unnecessary expenses” have been curtailed for a bit, a puritanical attitude towards debt, I guess…but the truth is I wanted to do it. We have some tricky valleys and slopes with some rafter issues which have complex angles and I just love to get into such. I know a contractor would demand more money once they stripped so…
    It is also the original “hot yoga” and toughens the body in ways mine, sad to say, was becoming weak. Nothing relaxes the mind like this kind of stuff, and although it was a long process, with work and all…I am glad I did it. The next few projects will be chosen on the basis they do not feature a heck of a lot of that stuff though.

  156. turcopolier says:

    Ft. Greely. We lived in Quonset huts heated and lit by a nuclear generator. temperatures were generally 30 to 60 degrees F below zero. You could tell how cold it was outside by how high the frost rose on the wall beside your bunk. We became cold adapted and could walk the 50 yards to the mess hall in just a woolen shirt. When you did that the moisture in your nose froze before you got to the mess hall door. The colder, the quicker it froze. One morning I woke to a rubbing sound. Outside, a 1000 pound bison was rubbing itself on the corner of our hut. I walked over to it. It stopped, looked at me, rumphed!, and walked away. I walked to the mess and had some creamed chipped beef on toast (Army food, Leander). In my class there were 100 odd junior officers nd NCOs from my brigade training to be instructors in northern operations to return to the brigade (2/5th Mech) and teach in the White Mountain National Forest for NATO contingency operations in northern Norway. We were not survivalists. The graduation exercise was a 100 mile ski march cross country with all the gear that a rifle company would have; weapons, ammunition, ammunition, rations, water, gasoline for the arctic stoves to heat the double walled tents to 30 degrees F, the tents, etc. Our own gear; parkas, air mattress and arctic sleeping bags, clothing you took off to prevent sweating (death). In the arctic winter if you go light, you go dead. At the end of the day a double perimeter patrol was done in opposite directions and wolves were shooed out. The Eskimo Scout battalions of the ALNG were the maneuver opponents. A great experience, I wish I had brought a Malemute puppy back with me. pl

  157. Keith Harbaugh says:

    Here’s a Fox News report that quotes many sources, both unidentified and identified,
    who support diGenova’s claims about how the FBI agents who conducted the investigation actually felt about the matter.
    This report seems to contradict Comey’s claims that his people at the FBI supported his no-prosecute decision.

  158. gowithit says:

    Having been an addict to upland game and waterfowl hunting over many decades, the #1 principle to wild game cooking is to not overcook, keep it to the rare side as the fat content not nearly as prevalent as in domestic raised meats. A favorite marinade of one’s choice best to start with. tho many do not like the “wild” taste of such game as woodcock, my family would nearly fight over those small breast delights that were marinaded and wrapped in bacon, then finished off on a gas grill (rabbit as well!). Duck and goose breast filleted into small “steaks”, marinaded, and gas grilled also a delight.
    Some good eating from wonderful days in the fields, woods and marshes–with some good hunting buddies, my Browning O/U, and of course a Labrador!

  159. turcopolier says:

    I dealt with game birds, mainly roughed grouse myself, some woodcock. Deer I hung for a week in the Maine November and then took it to the butcher to be cut and wrapped. I really wish I had brought a Malamute back from Alaska. My uncle Roger, my National guard friends and I hunted together. pl

  160. Eric says:

    While I try to separate arguments from source, the language used in that document matches exactly what I know to be 3rd wave feminism / Marxist social justice. I do not wish them the best of luck with their transgressions.

  161. Valissa says:

    A truly great songwriter, glad to see him getting the recognition!
    Bob Dylan The Times They Are A Changin’ 1964
    Don’t Think Twice It’s All Right – Bob Dylan
    He’s an old man now, but still has a great spirit! Love the guitar jamming with Clapton on this one 🙂
    E.Clapton – B.Dylan – Don’t Think Twice, It’s All Right – LIVE
    I think one gets out of any religious experience what one is willing to receive from it, and if it brightens the soul… that’s a good thing… regardless of and often separate from any ideological affiliation.

  162. mike allen says:

    My great uncle Clarence up near Houlton on the border would skin and dress a deer then nail it to the barn door and not cut it down until it greened up a bit.

  163. Valissa says:

    Fitting in with a religious congregation is, IMO, a different animal than one’s religious beliefs (or lack thereof). Some people just aren’t built to be happy following or fitting in with the herd, or believing only one particular ideology. I know I have a hard time with it. I can quite easily adapt and conform to almost any group for a short while if I think it’s worthwhile, but I’ve always been an independent soul. I’m sure there’s a reason that we “heretics” were “created”… perhaps to keep god (or the gods) amused 😉

  164. Earthrise says:

    Also in China it seems, set to become the largest Christian country in a few years. As an Atheist I resist this claim, but I am watching Russia closely to see the role the Orthodox Church is playing in their revival. Russia is winning because of her moral strength (protected under a nuclear umbrella), and their Christian values seem to play a role. I could also argue, as other Russians do, that they are the ones who picked up Western Civilisation from the gutter and placed it’s battered crown on their heads. I really can’t say what role the decline in religiosity has played in our moral collapse, I would place the blame on social engineering from our sociopathic masters. I would argue the West is the product of our secular Enlightenment, and at the time these values were bitterly resisted by the Catholic Church. I still blame the three Evil Sisters of the West (Liberalism, Capitalism and (Representative) Democracy), and agree with Dawkins that our altruism is evolutionary rather than divine.

  165. gowithit says:

    Forgot to mention ruffed grouse–the best taste in game birds (any birds) ever! I’ve even been known to pick up a fresh road killed grouse! lol

  166. Earthrise says:

    Dear Host, I heard that Bishop is ancient Greek for Governor, and that priestly celibacy came in to control the Church’s vast property holdings from estate claims.

  167. Will says:

    Great disgust wells up as I watch Sen. Richard Burr and challenger Deborah Ross at the NC Senate debate. They both are for a No Fly Zone/Safe Zones and want to bomb the evil dictator Bashar Assad. Ross is an ACLU type that was against the state sex offender registry, but Burr is chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Think I’ll do a write in.

  168. Anonymous says:

    Thanks! But that’s not supposed to be french. It’s american nobility, you see. I wasn’t sure how to name an american Dauphin and was about to call it The Flipper or maybe The Willy. Americans are strange creature anyway. Nobody understand them.
    Ah, the pushups. We did a lot of that in the wee hours of hot tropical summer nights, wearing de rigueur long white pajamas on a coal grain running track. We would be all africans after the crawling phase of the lesson on military nightlife. I do not miss the thing, but laugh at my poor surreal existence.

  169. LeaNder says:

    Muslims do not constitute a race …
    Babak, you recognize the difference between a citation and a statement? You should tell that, Jeffrey. But yes, I enjoyed reading the text.
    I choose the passage because this is close to perfect 😉
    Finally draws the line at what, exactly? Profanity?
    Personally I tend to avoid both race and racism except in narrowly defined contexts. But in popular usage its sometimes the most easy way to describe a bigot or bigotry. Or if you prefer the statements of an Agent provocateur par excellence.

  170. BabelFish says:

    Pat, gut it at point of harvest, take to the game station to register it and weighing – 528 pounds – stuff cavity with ice and off to the game butcher. The weigh station is The Pines on Maine Route 27 in Eustis. They drove it to Auburn for butchering. Impressive animal!

  171. Chris Chuba says:

    CNN accuses Trump of being Judas Iscariot Arnold
    My children constantly turn on CNN, I’m beginning to think that I died and this is my introductory punishment in hell.
    I just couldn’t believe the hyper-ventilating by Wolf Blitzer as he ‘asks’ (tells) his guest …
    Blitzer, ‘More evidence has been released that the Russians are responsible for Wikileaks and we know that Donald Trump has been briefed by the Intelligence community, what do you make of Donald Trump’s repeated defense of Russia?’
    [5 minutes of feverish blinking by WB]
    The answer of course is that Donald Trump is a traitor. He will immediately hand over our nuclear codes to the Russians the second he is inaugurated because he is in service to the Dark Lord himself (/sarcasm).
    I just cannot stand the hosts on CNN. I wish they had 1/10th this curiosity about the rebels we are supporting in Syria. Please ask, why are they co-mingled with Al Qaeda? Blink on that Wolf.
    Regarding the Russian hacks, there is a story in RT that rings true to me.
    Basically they are saying ‘yeah you can trace NW traffic to us but that is not the end of the trail, no one asked us for any help in tracking the IP addresses or NW logs, we would have obliged’
    So our govt that took 1yr to investigate HRC’s email server, is suddenly able to conduct a thorough investigation in 1mo just prior to an election. Yeah, like that is not a coincidence (/sarc/sarc)

  172. Pundita says:

    brrrr all this talk about Alaska experiences reminded me of John Batchelor’s interview with Brian Murphy. This is a great campfire tale. So for those who haven’t read the book —
    “81 Days Below Zero: The Incredible Survival Story of a World War II Pilot in Alaska’s Frozen Wilderness by Brian Murphy”

  173. BabelFish says:

    Pat, the KRAG indeed went to by dad. It was the first rifle I shot as well. Uncle Roger tight my brother and I to fish. There was at least one more KRAG around, chromed. Dad at it stripped and blued at the shipyard. But the KRAG Joshua has is cut down and is your former rifle.

  174. VietnamVet says:

    I am repeating myself but nevertheless this is why along with the approaching War with Russia why I could never vote for Hillary Clinton.
    The opiate epidemic is only being reported tangentially; the lowered life expectancy of whites, the use of pain medication by unemployed males or the shaming of drug addicts:
    The family that owns OxyContin drug company just joined the Forbes 2015 list worth 14 billion dollars. They have ties to the Clinton Foundation and campaign:
    This is not happenstance. This is a result of government looking the other way as America’s deplorables are looted.

  175. mike allen,
    Ha! you bring up a comical scene. Firing the Hawken. Flipping the canoe and pissing off a bull moose within 50 yards in the shallows of a northern pond. That’s Wiley E. Coyote material. Now I’m doubly glad I didn’t do it. I did do a couple of practice shots lying prone on a couple of duffles in the bottom of the canoe. Firing off the forward quarters, I had no problem keeping it steady. My brothers and I used to launch open canoes in the surf and paddle among the waves.
    Ah, Lake George. I caught strep throat on a night cruise there with my future SWMBO in the summer of 1975. Ended up in the school infirmary for two nights.

  176. Generalfeldmarschall von Hindenburg says:

    Pussy Riot isn’t even really a band. It seems to have been a collection of students who wanted to make a splash in the art world and test the bounds of what crazy kid could get away with. It was only the over the top reaction from Hollywood to their arrest for stuff they wouldn’t get away with here either that made them cause celebre in the Empire. It also dovetailed with a lot of noise in the west about how badly gays were treated in Russia. Also the Russian government getting fed up with the interference of the Soros crowd in Russian domestic politics.
    Myself, I tend to belief the Joseph Atwill idea that Jesus was fabricated by the Romans to create a Jewish cult that would go on bended knee to the Empire. Also…what’s Diocletian got to do with it?

  177. Dubhaltach says:

    In reply to LeaNder 13 October 2016 at 01:44 PM
    ” I simply did not pay attention ”
    Evidently not because the Pharisees and their role in the Jesus’ death is a major issue in those “New Testament stories” you mention. As it happens we have two German contemporaries of yours staying with us at present. Both of them – one a Catholic from Bavaria and the other a protestant from Hamburg recall being taught about the Pharisees very well.
    I’d quite like to read an answer from you to Babak’s question below.

  178. Ulenspiegel says:

    In northern Germany (Frisia) there is a hot beverage – a variant of Irish coffee – called Pharisäer. In a Frisian parish, men used whipped cream to suppress the smell of rum and to disguise the fact from the abstinent priest that their coffee was different from his. However, once the priest got a wrong cup of coffee he exclaimed: “Ihr Pharisäer” (Your Pharisees), which stuck with the coffee since then. 🙂
    In German Pharisäer is usually used as synonym for hypocrites.

  179. Ulenspiegel says:

    “Modern history shows us that female clergy quickly leads to liberalizing of doctrine until it becomes more of a social club and less or a religion.”
    And modern history also shows that male clergy quickly leads to clubs without members or members who are experts in displaying “schizophrenic” attitudes. But as interested (protestant) observer, it is your choice.

  180. Ulenspiegel says:

    “I would not be surprised if Deutsch Bank has to be bailed out by the Federal Republic.”
    Why? Deutsche Bank is highly unpopular in Germany. Nobody earns political brownie points with coming to its rescue. Both major parties were quite clear.
    DB is a small bank which is only worth 20 billion EUR, only half of its stocks is in Germany, 10% of these are owned by consumers.
    As long as customers do not withdraw their money DB has more than 120 billion EUR, solvency is not the issue in this case.
    And in the extreme case of DB going under, the damage to the international banking system will be wide spread and as I understood will be more in the USA and UK than in Germany. This gives a slightly different framework in which the game of poker happens between the US DoJ and DB.

  181. “I’m watching the wikileaks emails with amazement, as every “conspiracy theory” of right wing fever swamps is getting confirmed with each leak.”
    Not just Wikileaks. Nothing fits. I listen to the BBC and similar news outlets with amazement now. It’s not like the Falklands war, when there was certainly enough spin around but the facts were mostly ascertainable from what was put out. These days the official narrative just doesn’t add up. It’s not only at variance with the few genuine facts one can be sure of. It’s at variance with itself. We’re told one thing at the time and something quite different a few weeks later.
    Do the Kirbys and the Ash Carters really believe what they’re saying? One has to give them some rope. One has to allow for group think and for the fact that it’s not easy to state facts accurately and consistently when you’re in the thick of it. But allowing for all that do they really believe in the narrative they’re putting out or is that narrative merely something deliberately improvised to keep the most of us happy?
    That doubt, that intuition that it’s nothing but PR these days, must be one cause of the Brexit result and maybe – I’m not close enough to know – one cause of the support for mavericks like Trump. If one can believe nothing the authorities say then one merely shuts them out.
    That in itself is dangerous. I read an article the other day on Syria published in a UK newspaper, the Guardian. It seemed to me to be tendentious and ill-informed. A quick skim of the three thousand or so comments showed that most of the readers felt that too. But many of those comments were ill-informed as well. Why should they not be? When we discard the usual sources of information more accurate sources do not miraculously spring up to replace them. The collection and scrupulous assessment of facts, particularly in foreign affairs where the background is unfamiliar and the facts so often difficult to get at, isn’t something that can be done by a quick search of internet noise during a coffee break. And that’s all that most of us have time for.
    There can have been no time in history when such a wealth of sources has been available and so little hard fact to be gained from them. Thanks Colonel, and your knowledgeable friends, for shining a bit of light through the fog.
    English Outsider

  182. turcopolier says:

    “you recognize the difference between a citation and a statement?” I don’t understand your point. Is it not self evident that Muslims (a world wide community) are not a “race?” Christians are similarly not a “race.” pl

  183. LeaNder says:

    Of which subjects are you not ignorant; that you have some deep or expert knowledge?
    Well, sure, it must look puzzling, but even a nitwit can be curious.
    I was suspicious and thus my response, considering the millennia of time you force us to embrace to deal with your two central East-West theses intellectually. Simply consider it as doubt: Thomas. A certain kind of disbelieve there are could be any type of theoretical one-way-roads in religious theological history, comparative religion, mythology. But my recollections on that matter are weak.
    Sri Pada or the clash/war of religion/culture?
    Supposing you didn’t want to alert me to the Pharisees as some type of ancient fanatics with roots in Persia, modeled on Zarathustra? That somewhat shaped and influenced Judaism at large?
    On the other hand, my place on earth surely is always on the back of my mind, don’t worry:
    the female space par excellence had been – as is today – the kitchen where the sacred household fire was maintained by women.

  184. Babak Makkinejad says:

    “…agree with Dawkins that our altruism is evolutionary…”
    The way the word “Evolution” is used by the anti-God crowd, it is like a god itself; “In Evolution, all things are possible.”
    Yes, the Evolutionary crowd will have us believe that “Love” is evolved from physic-chemical processes that were precisely balanced as on a knife’s edge.
    It is rubbish, of course. But they have to try, lest their carefully constructed house of cards falls into a heap of nonsensical circular reasoning.

  185. mike allen says:

    Valissa –
    Thanks for the Dylan tunes.
    I guess I am somewhat of a heretic also. Brought up in an extended family with a tripolarity of religious beliefs. And speaking of Dylan: How is it possible that I enjoy not only his music, but also classical and 1950’s DooWop?

  186. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Please keep in mind: “Rectification of Names” is a perquisite of the (re-)establishment of proper Order.

  187. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Thank you for your comments.
    I think there is no unassailable and intellectually defensible position against the insidious idea of Freedom to Pursuit One’s Happiness.
    One can argue that one does not know one’s happiness – at any given moment of time – but that position will be crushed through the assertion of the Individualistic person to moral autonomy to make his or her own decisions.
    One can also argue that Freedom to Pursuit One’s Happiness might cause deep unhappiness to many many people for many generations…again – not convincing – except to people such as myself – since one does not know the price to be paid by future generations.
    Two days ago, the Iranian police arrested a number of Shia Muslims who were planning on joining an Ashoura mourning ceremony and propagate anti-Sunni slogans and literature.
    That is, the rights of those individuals to the exercise of their freedom of expression and belief, in pursuit of their happiness to express their anti-Sunni beliefs publicly, was suppressed by the Iranian government in the interests of public concord for the present and future generations.
    Was there any other way?
    It ultimately boils down to question of collective power and who is willing to suppress whom and at what costs; in my opinion.

  188. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I also heard that the standard psychiatric treatment at VA is to prescribe OxyContin to the young men coming back from the wars in the Middle East. I thought that was unconscionable, if true.

  189. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Your response – or lack thereof – reminds me of what this former Refusnik told me:
    He was in a Moscow protest with other dissidents (before the demise of USSR) and met Yelena Bonner. He asked Bonner if she was a Jew and she started saying how her father (if I recall correctly) was Armenian and on and on and on.
    He had a lot of other interesting stories; like when KGB found him a job…

  190. The Beaver says:

    The Quebecer in me ( though I am not French Canadian) would say: “ta-bar-wett”
    The cabinet list ended up being almost entirely on the money. It correctly identified Eric Holder for the Justice Department, Janet Napolitano for Homeland Security, Robert Gates for Defense, Rahm Emanuel for chief of staff, Peter Orszag for the Office of Management and Budget, Arne Duncan for Education, Eric Shinseki for Veterans Affairs, Kathleen Sebelius for Health and Human Services, Melody Barnes for the Domestic Policy Council, and more. For the Treasury, three possibilities were on the list: Robert Rubin, Larry Summers, and Timothy Geithner.
    This was October 6. The election was November 4. And yet Froman, an executive at Citigroup, which would ultimately become the recipient of the largest bailout from the federal government during the financial crisis, had mapped out virtually the entire Obama cabinet, a month before votes were counted. And according to the Froman/Podesta emails, lists were floating around even before that.
    Now we know why Obama’s hands were tied, so to speak, w/o forgetting Rahm Emanuel who was supposed to be the good liaison between the WH and Congress. He did nothing.
    Would be interesting to know what HRC’s transition team is working on for her cabinet should she win. CAP president Neera Tanden who proposed that Libya should be forced to turn over its oil revenue to the U.S. as compensation and gratitude for the U.S. having “liberated” Libya. is part of that team:

  191. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Thanks again.

  192. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I wish my German from – hailing from Hamburg – were still alive today – he would have chuckled on hearing your comment; without a doubt.

  193. different clue says:

    Babak Makkinejad,
    I am only a pharmacy technician, not a pharmacist. Even so, I wonder if you may have misheard the name of the drug in this bit of anecdata. Since OxyContin is an opioid for physical pain relief, why would it be used for any mood stabilization or alteration purposes? I have never heard of OxyContin being prescribed for ANY psychiatric purpose ANYwhere in civilian life. Why would it be any different in the military? Are you sure the drug name you heard was OxyContin?
    (Do those familiar with the practice of VA Medicine ever hear of such a thing as the routine handing out of OxyContin to young veterans back from the Mid East wars on ANY routine basis prior to a diagnosis which would indicate their use?)

  194. different clue says:

    As a Great Lakestani living in one of the regions deliberately targeted for Mass Jobicide by the Free Trade Conspirators, I have to ask if these IT workers who are being de-jobbed had supported Free Trade or Fair Trade officeseekers in their Coastal California elections? If they supported people like Feinstein or Pelosi or other pro-NAFTA pro-WTO pro-MFN-for-China pro-etc. officeseekers/ officeholders, then they are getting a long-delayed and richly deserved taste of their own medicine.
    When the bicoastalists are ready to care about Regulated Fair Trade for Thingmakers, then I will be ready to care about Regulated Fair Trade for bicoastalist IT people. And not till then.

  195. sillybill says:

    The IWW is not as big as it used to be but there are still Wobblies wandering around causing trouble. Several years ago I went to an anarchist campout in Florida that was partially organized by them. I remember spending a wonderful semi drunken nite listening to and telling wild stories and singing subversive songs.
    My favorite:

  196. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I read it in WSJ; evidently it was standard treatment for PTSD. I suppose the idea was that if you cannot cure them, just numb them.

  197. Castellio says:

    Rahm Emanuel was a critical liaison between Obama and his main Chicago backers.
    What people usually don’t admit is that Obama had extremely important neocon backers and allies, and while he was outflanking Hillary on the left in public (peace, change, and all that) he had outflanked her in neocon support by promising whatever they wanted to Summers et al. on the right (continuing neocon control of Treasury, Commerce, Justice, but not at that point the Pentagon).
    Hillary was, in great part, defeated by the Neocons (and their media and money) who preferred Obama in 2008. Since then she has committed herself to a continuing and strident bid to get Neocon support in all spheres. In her mind it is “doing what is necessary” to achieve her ambitions. Which explains her time at State and after. And she has succeeded.
    Neocon control in the new administration will certainly include State, Treasury, Commerce, Justice and the Pentagon. Expect payments to Israel to come directly from the Pentagon budget as a national security expense by the time Hillary leaves. (Hey, 6 trillion is unaccounted for in Pentagon spending and no one is anxious…)
    I’m not sure what to add…
    But Rahm played a critical role with the “untested” Obama, and Obama’s tenure was entirely danced to the tune of those who, in his mind, actually got him there (which didn’t include serving the voters, except for inspirational intentions and words).
    He had control of the WH and Congress, and walked it backwards.

  198. Cee says:

    razors and soap were even dropped to with instructions to shave, bathe and surrender

  199. Cee says:

    Putin is telling his people to return home and The Hill reports that while we’re focused on Trump tapes, Russia is preparing for war.

  200. Cee says:

    Col. Lang,
    I passed a former working rural farm that was selling Heritage Free Range Turkeys for $30.00 each but I can’t find one company that will process them for me. 🙁
    I was do tickled thinking of the money I would save rather than the Neiman Marcus order.
    The guy selling them bought a few and can’t bear to kill his rapidly multiplying pets. LOL!

  201. Earthrise says:

    Thank you Babak, my mind is a lot more open these days. Trying to balance multiple truths takes some practice.

  202. turcopolier says:

    “Liberal” Zionist would be a better description of Obama’s early Chicago and NY City backers. I know many of them. pl

  203. Babak Makkinejad says:

    That is fine, you do not wish to answer the question: “Of which subjects are you not ignorant; that you have some deep or expert knowledge?”.
    In US, they usually invoke the 5-th Amendment of the US Constitution.

  204. LeaNder says:

    thanks brother, I realize now that my poet friend’s usage might have caused confusion in my mind. Never before thought about it.
    He was interesting, but also one of my most difficult encounters in life. A twin with a highly functioning brother that from one point in time on was treated with electroshocks. An outsider, that had felt everyone around him somehow was talking about the poem he had written the night before on ‘table one’ in “the troubadour, coffee house” in London Earl’s Court.
    I suppose, we would have never met if my Christian education hadn’t left serious traces on my mind.
    I grew up partly in the Northern German hemisphere, in Pinneberg. Still love the Northerner’s ‘dialect’. By now there isn’t much distance to Hamburg.
    Concerning the DB, I once stumbled across a rather nostalgic group of Swizz people, a couple had arrived from Canada for the local traditional event: Almabtrieb. Historically a region that may have lived from smuggling, really. At least partly. They were highly interested in hiring my brother as investor for cheese and cows in local matters.
    Now investment had caught my attention in a multitude of matters at the time. Thus somehow I managed to direct attention to one person that had drawn my attention around events at the DB for some reason at that point in time. Although strictly in hindsight all is complex and there may have been a longer trend behind it, anyway, the name is Josef Ackermann. All I remember is, that they laughed out loud, kind of: Glad you took that guy, as far as we over here are concerned, he should be in prison.

  205. Castellio says:

    Yes, true, a more apt description.

  206. gowithit says:

    I spend part of the yr in Portland, Or, where there still is a IWW chapter.
    Several yrs back at a Labor Day parade I saw a small group marching with a “IWW” banner.
    BTW: No, NONE, evidence of Trump lawn signs/car bumper stickers seen lately in Portland. Recently read that Trump had tx his ONE staff person in Oregon to Michigan. In my “moderate” econ level neighborhood I have recently seen only ONE Clinton lawn sign and NO stickers for her on cars
    Still plenty of cars driving around with Bernie window/bumper stickers.
    Trump is going completely bizarre! TOTAL over-reactive personality that at this point causes me more fears than what I have had for Clinton! Still, though, “either or” means “neither” to me!

  207. sillybill says:

    Turkeys are pretty easy if you live out in the country, but I guess if you live in the city or suburbs/apartment it could be a little weird for the neighbors – I once cut up a road kill deer in the backyard downtown, my vegan neighbors were absolutely horrified.
    And of course doing it inside is virtually impossible without making a horrible mess – most people are surprised at how filthy and bug ridden a turkey is when they go to scalding/plucking.
    And most people don’t have a pot big enough for the task – the roasting pan can be used but of course must be washed thoughoughly before cooking, lol.
    A killing cone (google it) can be made out of cardboard, makes the job much easier and keeps the beheaded bird from bruising itself up while it bleeds out (after head chopping the wings flap so hard you’ll lose your grip and the breasts will get all bruised up)
    Last tips: dig the hole for the guts/feathers first, and make sure the axe is sharp!
    PS – I just reread yer msg before I hit ‘post’ and realized that anyone accustomed to ordering their Thanksgiving turkey from Neiman Marcus probably wasn’t in the right neighborhood for outdoor butchering! Oh well, maybe another reader will be inspired.

  208. LeaNder says:

    Sorry, I didn’t realize, no idea why I used the wrong link. I’ll try to control my Pavolovian response to Babak from now on, at least I try.
    Philistines – Pharisees
    In any case I wasn’t familiar with the urban usage of Philistine as elsewhere the Pharisees.

  209. LeaNder says:

    Babak, first of all, yes I may well be an antisemite. Would that be a big surprise for anyone around here, considering I am German? And if so, wouldn’t my first question be: Are you Jewish?
    There was one central image on my mind struggling mentally through the aftermath of 9/11. Room full of mirrors. And it raised much more questions then my life span will allow me to answer at least for myself.
    I tried to respond to your challenge rather extensively yesterday, but shortly after it showed up asked Pat to delete it.
    It was kind of from the top of my head, containing two more or less random citations from a book trying to trace something like ethnopsychology of the Jewish people over millennia. Read a lot of those books over the decades in my life.
    Why have it deleted again: personally, admittedly, I am not satisfied by citation glimpses, thus why should you be? Besides, I didn’t give the source. Discovered way too often that citations are used superficially in support of one’s argument. Carefully aligned with mainstream, as far as the news Borg is concerned? Consider this a hypothesis. If you look closer beneath the chosen citation, you often discover that in a multitude of cases an very line of thought on the very next page to the one cited. I am talking about the humanities. Not about natural sciences. Although, string theory … irony/nitwit comment: I am you in a different universe?
    The more interesting story about the 850 pages long book I choose the two random citations of, is, that it ultimately reads millennias of one people’s history from the perspective of modern psychology, more precisely: the Mitcherlich’s in some type of variance:
    The Inability to Mourn: Principles of Collective Behaviour
    that’s the mental anchor it felt once I reached the end.
    The book I cited from was from the author linked below, and really more by accident I was involved in his “speech development” for the event around the return of his family’s Thora Scroll in Tübingen. It was a bit like meeting myself at the age of 9, or at least there the questions started in connection with my “Holy Communion”/..14/15/16 … One central experience was: Younger German scholars, asked me via mail to please keep him widely away from them. Personally I would be welcome to ask questions, but please, please not that madman. I had established the email contacts.
    There is more, but I’ll leave it at that. Ok, a glimpse:
    Back to antisemite. I do not at all want to deny his larger familiy’s beyond horrible destiny not only during the Nazis or as he did in his speech historically in Germany at earlier centuries, but at one point I felt heavily manipulated. I surely do feel that there still is something like an ethical obligation, meaning I maybe would accept to do research for free based on my “collective guilt” or the guilt I inherited, not only concerning time but also necessary travel expenses. Maybe that wouldn’t have been the worst part of it, I always loved archives. Maybe the core problem was that he was quite convinced that it ultimately was all quite easy. He already knew what I should find there. He already knew the ones ultimately to blame, all I had to do was search for “citation evidence”? And I knew from my rather limited look into matters that’s not how it works.

  210. Babak Makkinejad says:

    I think my Refusnik friend’s point was that Yelena Bonner was unwilling to answer a simple question; she did her best to be evasive.
    [She was a very very bad wife to Sakharov.]

  211. LeaNder says:

    Interesting feedback. … back to the Room Full of Mirrors or back to the Rectification of names?

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