UPDATE–The Fight for The Soul of Our Republic Has Begun by Larry C Johnson

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If Joe Biden had run a real campaign and generated genuine enthusiasm, Trump voters would be unhappy with his victory but would acknowledge he had won. But Biden did not win. This election was stolen. And the fury and bitterness among Trump’s base is real and pervasive. So far, Trump supporters are keeping their powder dry–literally and figuratively. They are going to give the institutions, particularly the Justice Department, the opportunity to set things right in accordance with the law. But there is a limit to their patience. I know that Donald Trump understands this point, it remains to be seen if Attorney General Bill Barr grasps the situation. From what I know of Bill Barr, especially from friends who are close with Barr, he understands the danger and the implications perhaps even better than President Trump.

The latest coup attempt is a mixture of audacity and sloppiness. On the audacious side we see a coordinated effort in key battleground states to stop counting votes when it was clear that Trump was in the lead and headed to a second term. The reason to stop counting was to bring in the thousands of votes that would make it appear that Trump lost. But for those of us in Florida, we saw the Democrat plans thwarted and the true depth of Trump’s victory.

Here is where we see the sloppiness of the Democrat plot against Trump–the Dems foolishly forgot to cook the books on the House and the Senate. Trump’s coat tails brought significant gains in the House of Representatives and prevented a wipeout in the Senate. It is historically and statistically improbable that Republicans win back seats in House and hold the Senate while Trump allegedly loses. Trump did not lose. He garnered the most votes ever for a Republican but could not control the Democrat Governors who opted to stuff ballot boxes with bogus ballots. There is a legal, lawful remedy to this.

I got my start at the CIA as the Honduran analyst during the height of the war in Central America. Part of my duties required me to keep tabs on political chicanery that was rampant among Honduran political, business and military leaders. I am now stunned to witness that this Republic–thanks to the craven and corrupt actions of politicians, business leaders and the media–behave like a shithole banana republic. The days of America pretending to instruct other countries on how to conduct free, fair elections is over.

So, what are we to do?


First, Trump supporters in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona and Nevada must demand action by their state legislators. Those men and women must stand up and be counted and must fight this outrage.

Second, turn off the media and cancel subscriptions to those publications that have facilitated this evil farce. This means Fox. Only News Max and OAN can be relied on now to report what is going on. An honest media would be reporting on the growing mountains of evidence that the will of the voters was thwarted. Our so-called media, for the most part, is mute or insisting that we did not see what we very clearly saw–i.e., votes for Biden magically appearing in the middle of the night, Republican observers being barred illegally from doing their job, Trump supporters showing up to vote and being informed that they had already voted, and long lists of dead people who were resurrected from their graves to cast a vote for Sleepy Joe.

Third, shutdown your Facebook and your Twitter accounts. Create fake accounts and do not post any personal information about your activities or those of your family. Only support genuine social media that allow full, unfettered discussion. Sign up for Parler, for example.

Fourth, vote with your dollars. Make sure you are not supporting the tech giants that are continuing to play a hand in trying to quash dissent and drown out the truth.

Fifth, if you own a firearm make damn sure you know how to use it. You must know without a doubt how to safely load, unload, fire and clean your weapon. There are thousands of NRA instructors ready to assist.

Sixth, change your viewing habits. Give up your Netflix account. Don’t support Hollywood. If you don’t watch their movies and buy their products you will hit them where it really hurts–the pocketbook.

Seventh, Do the Math! Trump supporters in every state must obtain official state registered voter counts on Nov 2. Compare those totals to the numbers put up at the end of November 3rd. Why? You couldn’t have voted if you weren’t registered. Next, compare the addition of Nov 2 voters to those added on Nov 3 TO the total votes for a state. If total votes / nov 2 plus add ons is greater than the 5 year average of same comparison in 2016, ie percent of voters who voted THEN, there is clear probable cause to show that ballot stuffing occurred.

Last, pray. We are not in a battle with mere mortals. This is at root a war against evil. The constant drumbeat of propaganda proclaiming Donald Trump as a racist, as homophobic and a liar is but one manifestation of this demonic plot. The very people leveling those charges are the ones who have allowed millions of black Americans to wallow in misery in crime ridden neighborhoods. They are the ones who celebrate aborting black babies as a fundamental human right. They are the ones who will gladly sell out to China and sacrifice American jobs in order to rake in millions of dollars.

I understand the gut churning fear that many of you feel. I also understand the seething rage that has yet to manifest itself. Here the radical left, masquerading as Democrats, have made a fatal mistake. They assume we will go quietly into the Gulag. They don’t know America.

UPDATE–Fantastic, substantive piece from an accountant in UTAH–click here

Here are the salient points:

I’ve been trying to keep up with the firehose of information about what’s going on during this clusterfuck of an election. Last night I was on Facebook talking about the crazy high, 3rd world dictatorship level voter turnout levels in the deep blue areas of these swing states was very suspicious. Somebody gas lighted me about how “I’d have to do better than that”, so this was my quick reply, listing off the questionable bullshit I could think of off the top of my head:

The massive turn out alone is a red flag.

But as for doing better…

The late night spikes that were enough to close all the Trump leads are a red flag.

The statistically impossible breakdown of the ratios of these vote dumps is a red flag.

The ratios of these dumps being far better than the percentages in the bluest of blue cities, even though the historical data does not match, red flag.

The ratios of these vote dumps favoring Biden more in these few battlegrounds than the ratio for the rest of the country (even the bluest of the blue) red flag.

Biden outperforming Obama among these few urban vote dumps, even though Trump picked up points in every demographic group in the rest of the country, red flag.

The poll observers being removed. Red flag.

The counters cheering as GOP observers are removed, red flag.

The fact that the dem observers outnumber the GOP observers 3 to 1, red flag (and basis of the first lawsuit filed)

The electioneering at the polls (on video), red flag.

The willful violation of the court order requiring the separation of ballots by type, red flag.

USPS whistleblower reporting to the Inspector General that today they were ordered to backdate ballots to yesterday, red flag.

The video of 2 AM deliveries of what appear to be boxes of ballots with no chain of custody or other observers right before the late night miracle spikes, red flag.

Any of those things would be enough to trigger an audit in the normal world. This many flags and I’d be giggling in anticipation of catching some thieves.

And it isn’t that I have to do better. I’m just an gen pop observer who happens to be a retired auditor with a finely tuned bullshit detector. This is going to the courts.

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71 Responses to UPDATE–The Fight for The Soul of Our Republic Has Begun by Larry C Johnson

  1. Avatar EEngineer says:

    Knowing what I do about computers and networks, there should be ample evidence of what actually transpired; good, bad, or just sloppy. The question in my mind is whether the appropriate authorities will actually bother to look. The understanding that no one will be looking is usually what emboldens the useful idiot or quisling to do their master’s bidding.
    I have a feeling the deep state had the MSM call the election in the hopes that the Supreme Court might decide to let any cheating slide if they though the ultimate outcome represented the actual wishes of the majority and that overturning it could potentially rip the country apart. So they are trying to create that illusion. A dangerous game given that I suspect most of the 20 million odd veterans would consider themselves deplorables. Myself included.

  2. Avatar Deap says:

    Thank for keeping the spotlight on this topic.
    Pelosi-Clinton played their hands too brazenly too – “don’t concede, whatever you do Biden, do not concede until days after Election Day.” When they mades these statements, I thought it odd they seem to know something.
    Time to find those statements and now parse them very carefully. Also struck by coincidence the appearance of the Law firm of Brownstein, Farber, Hyatt and Shreck – in cahoots with DNC, Pelosi and voting data machines.
    The same law firm is also a big time Democrat lobbyist, who managed to get the Obama Coronation Ceremony held in Denver 2008, in another rigged DNC convention. (Wiki has interesting links to Denver Post story about this firm)s
    From Townhall: ……..”One of the most interesting aspects of this, as pointed out by NOQ Report, is that Dominion Voting Systems has machines in more than one-third of the United States. They never had a lobbyist in Washington, D.C., until last year when they hired Brownstein Farber Hyatt & Schreck, a lobbying firm. One of the account’s main supervisors is Nadeam Elshami, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) former chief of staff.
    Whether or not this was a glitch should be investigated, especially when it comes down to swing states. Areas in which this system was used should have a hand recount so voters know their votes were tabulated correctly. A glitch in one county is probable. A glitch in multiple counties in multiple states sounds like it could potentially be a bigger systemic problem. …….”
    Reason this caught my eye is this law firm has a branch in my little Calif town, far from DC or LA or SF or Sacramento. Why are they here?

  3. Avatar Deap says:

    Reminder from RedState, who the Dems started out with and who they actually ended up with:
    Tom Steyer, Deval Patrick, Andrew Yang, Marianne Williamson, Elizabeth Warren, Eric Swalwell, Joe Sestak, Bernie Sanders, Tim Ryan, Beto O’Rourke, Wayne Messam, Jay Inslee, Kamala Harris, Tulsi Gabbard, John Hickenlooper, *** Amy Klobuchar, Kirsten Gillibrand, Mike Gravel, John Delaney, Julián Castro, Pete Buttigieg, Steve Bullock, Cory Booker, Joe Biden, Bill de Blasio, Michael Bennet, and Michael Bloomberg
    ***Hickenlooper now also associated with the DC lobbying Law Firm – Brownstein, Farber, Hyatt and Schreck, which is now also linked to the widespread use of certain voting data machines.
    What is that line about “no coincidences in politics”?

  4. Avatar Leith says:

    Larry –
    It was not just black church ladies, white suburban housewives, and college kids that elected Biden. Biden’s coalition included lots of Republicans, I guess you would call them RINOs. Republicans of the Lincoln Project put out hundreds of million dollars of ads targeted against Trump and Trumpism. But no matter how much they hated Trump, on the down ballot they voted a straight Republican ticket as they are not braindead. The Lincoln Project was just the tip of the GOP iceberg against Trump. Besides the Lincoln Project there are six other national level Republican organizations that endorsed Biden over Trump. That is the source of the House gains and stability in the Senate. It was not due to sloppy plotting, that dog won’t hunt.
    There are many other Republicans that were disgusted with Trump and his policies and spoke out about it, or endorsed Biden, or endorsed Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen, or just spoke out against Trump and his policies. That includes currently or formerly serving 15 Republican Governors, six Republican Senators, and 36 Republican US Representatives. Plus hundreds of other Republican officials from the Executive Branch, Judges, State Legislators, and various Republican political strategists & pundits.
    https://lincolnproject.us/team/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign

  5. Avatar Deap says:

    I am waiting to see what Crowdstrike has to say about computer voting glitches. After they don’t investigate the actual machines.

  6. Avatar Kesilo says:

    DO NOT despair. This morning the prophet said that God will expose the fraud.
    As the prophet has said earlier Trump will get 270 and win after Thanksgiving.

  7. Avatar Serge says:

    I do not think there was any systematic voting fraud even locally, but I agree that the election was stolen. Because hundreds of thousands(millions?) of lazy democrats voted that wouldn’t have voted otherwise, if not for the availability of covid mail-in voting(next step, Dems will want an online vote) .

  8. Avatar Seamus Padraig says:

    The latest coup attempt is a mixture of audacity and sloppiness.

    That latter part, the sloppiness, is what bothers me. It’s almost as if they wanted us to know. I mean, they coulda just stolen the election the usual way, with the Diebold machines. As long as the popular vote count difference is within the margin of error, Diebold could change the exact count at the touch of a button–and nobody would ever know!
    So why this blatant, in-your-face fraud instead of the low-key approach? Well, I can think of only two possible explanations:
    1.) Trump’s margin of victory in these states was so big that is was outside the margin of error, and the Democrats’ internal polling told them that long before election day (even as their media continued to push the bogus external polls on us). Or …
    2.) They actually do want us to notice the fraud. It’s a deliberate provocation on their part, and they’re hoping we do something dumb in response so that they can declare all of us deplorables to be ‘terrorists’.
    Absent more evidence, right now I’m leaning towards explanation #2.

  9. Avatar confusedponderer says:

    Deap,
    re: What is that line about “no coincidences in politics”?
    Well, accidentally there ARE SOME COINCIDENCES. Be careful to avoid falling for “reinforcement of pre-existing bias” (sorry if I fail to find a shorter but as accurate formulation).
    As far as bias goes, I made a Trump vs Biden policy test and has some 80% agreement with Biden and 15% with Trump. That said, reality matters and results are not what one likes them to be.
    For instance anyone who says or expects COVID-19 to disappear though wonders is a simply a moron on an unwise way. It would be a wonderful ting to happen, but sadly it is impossible. A wonder also didn’t stop the Spanish Flu from killing ~100 million after WW-I.
    I saw that in media from US, UK and Germany about US politics. The authors wrote it as they wanted it to be and not as it necessarily was. I saw it as a possibility that Trump would be re-elected. I didn’t buy these media’s take and sadly I turned to be right. Anyway, to them Trump was done in that view weeks ago – and yet it is a hairy result in this election.
    Larry B Johnson.
    re I am now stunned to witness that this Republic–thanks to the craven and corrupt actions of politicians, business leaders and the media–behave like a shithole banana republic
    Well again, what I always thought when I read Trump utter his “drain the swamp” phantasy was that what he actually wanted replace it with a swamp of his own, inhabitated by creatures like the perpetuate Obama blocker in the senate Mitch McConnell, who will revive that approach under Biden.
    It will be hard for Biden under that to get any law, ambassadors, political government employees or judges though the senate. He’ll as a result be a weak president, absurdly forced to rule Trump style with solo president acts. At that point expect McConnell, Donny Jr & Eric and Ivanka Trump to yell loud ‘TYRANNY!!!’ and being close to a stroke with foam at the mouth.
    As for ‘shithole banana republic’ … I see a thug’s business approach in Trump’s attempt to coerce Ukraine to throw dirt on Biden at the price of approved but Trump blocked US aid. I see the same thing in his calls on China to do the very same thing, somewhat not so genious in times of his severe compulsive penal taxeritis (for lack of a better idea?) or his self chosen trade war.
    A few days ago Bannon, the perpetually half dead ex Whitehouser, vocalised some of his violent fantasies when he called for Anthony Fauci to be beheaded and his head to be presented at the whitehouse to the world on a pike.
    Why? As a warning for bureaucrats in the federal government. Apparently that’s Bannon’s about approach ‘we’ve thrown as much shit as the enemy as possible, some of it surely sticked‘.
    And another few days ago Donny Jr. screamed again about the election and alleged fraud, this time for a total war. Probably till the Endsieg.
    To put it nasty, apparently Trump has made his own orange banana republic.

  10. Avatar LondonBob says:

    What is this hammer thing I am reading about, a subtle way to fix the election is alter votes across every county by a small margin, perhaps Trump did even better than expected and they realised this wouldn’t be sufficient and went to plan B and halted counting to stuff the ballots.

  11. Avatar mcohen says:

    Oh the gnashing of the dentures.luckily I am not American because I too would be unhappy if my man was beaten unfairly.However I must add that “the fly” on clinton in 2016 and then on pence during the debate made me realize that it was payback time.A poem is called for.
    trumpets and strumpets
    all strutting on red carpets
    a raucous parade comes to town
    bells and whistles,the odd clown
    mainstreet awash in falling confetti
    welcome this years joe and jilly
    talking heads shriek on with the show
    as contestants trade blow for blow
    yesterdays leader welcomes tomorrows pro
    all the same for those in the know

  12. Avatar Fred says:

    Larry,
    You will recall the old “Journ-o-list” scandal and are certainly not surprised by what is covered, or not:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/bronzeagemantis/status/1325274722561626116?fbclid=IwAR305TujBcwEmYPD3TWK8aFacxnLbZlIsRtAiL9gKi2Iht4J_027T8Hf1Gc
    Then there’s this from a week ago:
    Michigan officials investigating voter registration ‘irregularities’ in Muskegon
    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/10/30/michigan-investigating-voter-registration-irregularities-muskegon/6090700002/
    What makes them think they didn’t vote on the 3rd?
    Stats of swing state mail in advantage for Biden:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1325311906660356096
    PA +59.1%
    MI +37.9%
    OH +15.3%
    GA +5.7%
    AZ +3.9%
    I think it is plain to see where the bigger fixes were in.
    Regarding things to give up you left out gmail, instagram and snapchat just to name a few.
    https://twitter.com/AriFleischer/status/1325276441500676098
    At least we can rest easy knowing who is in charge at DOJ Election Crimes division:
    https://twitter.com/pnjaban/status/1325272301646999553

  13. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Confused Ponderer,
    While many seem to prefer a multi-millionaire tycoon that inexplicably became a politician, you prefer a politician that inexplicably became a multi-millionaire. That’s fine, but I don’t recall hearing any consistent policy from Joe Biden other than his promises to not be Donald Trump.
    The truth is that you don’t like Trump, or perhaps you don’t like his policies. Don’t pretend you did an analysis and decided that Biden has better policies, as we haven’t seen any of Biden’s policies.
    You are fine with ignoring Biden’s threats to withhold aid from the Ukraine unless they do XYZ, but it’s a “thug’s approach” when Trump does it?
    You have a very appropriate screen name.

  14. Avatar BillWade says:

    “For instance anyone who says or expects COVID-19 to disappear though wonders is a simply a moron on an unwise way. It would be a wonderful ting to happen, but sadly it is impossible. A wonder also didn’t stop the Spanish Flu from killing ~100 million after WW-I.”
    Yes, ConfusedPonderer, the covid19 lockdowns will continue until all small business owners are eliminated. Just look at a Prague web cam and see the missing tens of thousands of tourists, look at Phuket in Thailand and see the 320 thousand people out of work as there are no tourists, look at all the airline, cruise line, hotel workers who are out of work. The lock downs will continue until all these industries are destoyed. It will continue until no one has a car anymore, it will continue and continue and continue.
    unless
    President Trump is declared the winner of this election.

  15. Avatar NancyK says:

    Why should it be difficult to vote, why make it difficult. Convenience is not the same as lazy.
    I did wait in line for over 4 hours but why should that make my vote worth more.
    The election was not stolen. Trump lost. Republicans are still in charge of the Senate and many state governments. Life goes on.

  16. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    NancyK-
    Are you asserting that no criminal action occurred, or that the criminal action that did occur had no effect on the outcome?
    There is substantial clear and concrete evidence of criminal action. Are you denying that? Denying that undeniable fact makes you appear either hopelessly partisan or easily duped. More on that later.
    Did the criminal action which undeniably occurred affect the outcome of the election? That is a logical question, the answer of which remains unknown. If the answer is “yes,” then the “election was stolen.” If no, then it wasn’t “stolen.”
    We don’t yet know the answer to that question. If you want to remain credible, you should wait until the answer is known. If the answer is never know (as now appears may be the case), so be it. You should refrain from making bold assertions about things that aren’t known.
    I don’t really care that much about Trump or Biden. I do care deeply about the integrity of elections. I’d rather have President Biden than see Trump re-elected through fraud. While my personal politics are closer to Trump’s policies than the Democrats’ (as Biden has no policies), my respect for the system is far greater than my concern for the politics. I find both men boorish and uninteresting.
    This is a very dangerous point in our history. If you don’t understand that, understand this: There are two kinds of people in the world, predators and prey. Our system of checks and balances is all we have to keep us from being nothing more than predators and prey. If you choose not to see this, understand that you are lunch, nothing more.
    And, yes, I am a predator.
    JMG

  17. Avatar akaPatience says:

    I hope to read a compilation of credible election fraud claims before too long, as well as the various possible remedies for them. I’ve been reading anecdotal reports that point to serious instances of fraud, but I don’t know yet how widespread the fraud is. It appears that a computer software used by many states is particularly suspect, as well as testimonies of election and postal officials’ orders to back date late-arriving ballots.
    Besides these current anecdotes of fraud, it’s generally suspicious that FL could produce near-complete results on election day but PA, which is millions smaller in population, couldn’t. Likewise for OH which produced near-complete results on election day, but the less-populated states of MI, GA, NV, AZ, and WS couldn’t.

  18. Avatar Deap says:

    A daily dose of MOTUS is good medicine. Plenty of people are asking the very same questions about this calculated, slow roll out election fraud: http://www.michellesmirror.com
    Their argument was always increasing voter participation – how could you be against that, you racist, white supremacist.
    Except every illegally cast ballot or illegally counted ballot disenfranchises a legally cast ballot, who now has absolutely no say in this nefarious tradeoff- cancel culture run amok. Indeed, a house divided cannot stand and what we are now experiencing is divisiveness on steroids.

  19. Avatar Deap says:

    confusedponderer, what was wrong about Trump asking about Crowdstrike during his short call with the Ukraine President? We still don’t have the answers to the Clinton campaign ginned up Russiagate hoax, do we?
    Word for word, how did Biden’s bragging about withholding US aid to Ukranine until a prosecutor investigating his own son’s Burisma operations compare to what you claim Trump said during his phone call?
    It appears you leave out a lot of facts trying to get your point across, and perhaps is is you engaging in “confirmation bias”. Keep talking so we can see if that claim is valid. This is a tough crowd here – not easily gas-lighted by specious charges.

  20. Avatar Deap says:

    Our system of checks and balances has a serious flaw never contemplated by the Founders – the recent growth of the massive, unionized government work force, who in fact are the ones who conduct our elections and count the votes.
    The wholesale corruption and censorship of the “Fourth estate” means dictatorship; not democracy. Can independent blogs alone save this nation?
    Because we know what happened starting the day Trump was inaugurated, and now learned had been happening well before he was even elected is deep rot within the deepest reaches of our own government. That does not go away. We know that in our bones.
    A fraudulent Biden election and now this drum beat of Democrat and media gas-lighting does not make this go away. What is your next move. You cannot alter reality nor facts.
    If we move on at this time, we move on to the next 70 days of the Trump presidency – what should he do while he still has his mighty pen and phone?

  21. Avatar Deap says:

    The rehabilitation of Megyn Kelly – even she, battered and bruised by Trump, cannot get trumped by”woke” Democrats. The battle for the soul of America has only just begun: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/11/08/276760-n276760

  22. Avatar srw says:

    Occam’s razor is the principle that, of two explanations that account for all the facts, the simpler one is more likely to be correct. It is applied to a wide range of disciplines, including religion, physics, and medicine (and ELECTIONS)
    Trump lost both the popular vote by over 5 million votes and the Electoral College vote. Deal with it.

  23. Avatar Deap says:

    Mandatory recounts are required in many states when there is a very small percentage difference in the vote counts – often 0.05%. Whether the media declares a candidate won or not. It appears several swing states may meet that threshold which means nothing is over, until it is over.
    And it has nothing to do with either candidate; it has everything to do with that state’s election law.
    Gas-lighting Democrats cannot trump these recount requirements. But they certainly out in force working hard to sway pubic opinion into not accepting a final official outcome that goes against their media “selection” of the next president.
    Democrats are pure evil and do not have any national interests at heart. Otherwise they would not need to build this current house of cards. Glad there remains sufficient stature in the opposition media to call them on this.
    We will fight on the beaches, the hills and the trenches , etc……….. until victory is ours. And a clean election is our victory – not the candidate, but protecting and preserving a clean process. The current mainstream media is a declared enemy of the people, and is proving this every single day

  24. Avatar JamesT says:

    When you have the wealth inequality of central america you get the political corruption of central america – where all of the media outlets are controlled by competing clans and the infastructure of democracy (the federal police (FBI), the prosecutors, and in the worst case scenarios the judges) are working for competing oligarchical clans.

  25. Avatar Leith says:

    Yesterday Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, held a press conference in Philadelphia. The presser was held in the parking lot of a landscaping business called the Four Seasons. Trump apparently not knowing the details from Rudy first tweeted it would be held at the luxury Four Seasons Hotel. The parking lot is next door to a pornographic bookstore and across the street from a crematorium. Much of the press walked out after seeing the venue.
    Rudy has aged into a demented shell of his former self. He (Rudy) recently tweeted “Why did the US (NIH) in 2017 give $3.7m to the Wuhan Lab in China?”. He had apparently forgotten who was president in 2017. Rudy is now the subject of investigations into money laundering and being an unregistered foreign lobbyist by the very same US Attorney’s office that he used to run. He is now reduced to running commercials for a marketer of Cigars. Not that there is anything wrong with cigars, I like an occasional smoke myself. Sad that he has fallen so low. You can’t do any worse for your client than what Rudy has done to Trump. And why would Trump ever have hired him in the first place? It does not say a lot for Trump himself that he would hire such a cartoonish figure.

  26. Avatar john Merryman says:

    Looking ahead, I’m thinking the old saying about being careful what you wish for, you might get it. The powers that be know the status quo is not sustainable on so many levels, so they assume there can be a controlled demolition and they will still be on top of a smaller pile.
    The problem is that when the needle goes from greed to fear, it’s not the bankers in charge, it’s the generals coming out to “restore order.”
    They won’t have Trump to blame, when they find out what real Fascism is.
    Respect and responsibility hold society together. Fear and greed tear it apart.
    Personally I wrote in Assange/Manning. They had the guts to look the Beast in the eyes and not blink. History will treat them accordingly.
    Just because the mob is nailing you to the cross, doesn’t mean you have lost. The fight for the integrity of this society has only just begun.

  27. Avatar confusedponderer says:

    BillWade,
    re: the covid19 lockdowns will continue until all small business owners are eliminated
    But that elimination of “all small business owners” is not a goal, it is a side effect. Or put it that way – just a symptom, not the disease.
    When you fall on the knees hard there’s a chance that you bleed or get a bruise – also a side effect and with sane people not the goal.
    What is the alternative?
    Open it all up? Now, immediately, so that right before for election Wall Street reports nice numbers, underlining your incredible success (hope – increasing numbers of votes?). Which makes every potential voter as happy as, say, a Trump signature on a thus delayed CVID-19 help check (hope – increasing numbers of votes?).
    Perhaps people would more like to go to the toilet if every paper there was similarly signed (hope – increasing numbers of votes?). That approach may even turn a nasty diarrhea epidemic into an election tool.
    I read that one large biker event in the US (in some state south east) – with races, plenty close contact and boozing – turned out to be a super spreader event, made worse by attendants then traveling back home though the entire country. Net result iirc ~600.000 new infections.
    That’s in German a GAU (größter anzunehmender Unfall = ~ greatest assumable accident). Chernobyl was a GAU. Fukushima also.
    A US equivalent would likely be FUBAR or SNAFU. Mishandling and deliberately low playing the COVID-19 epidemic already has, in just one year, caused much more US casualties than the entire Vietnam war.
    In that context the elimination of “all small business owners” is collateral damage of an ego on rampage and not Biden’s or the Democrat’s fault, let alone goal. Their influence on the Trump administration was exactly zero.
    Contrast that with Kushner reportedly asking a NY family doctor – a friend of a friend – for advice on COVID-19 when he could have just asked the professional, experienced and specialized epidemiologist Fauci in DC (but that man gave the unwanted answers?).
    That written, Fauci’s influence on Trump apparently was also zero. He disagreed with Dr. Trump too often and I read that Dr. Trump, in his reality show style, wanted to fire him after re-election. No surprise there.

  28. Avatar John Merryman says:

    JMG,
    “And, yes, I am a predator.’
    Yes and this election was like the wildebeest having to chose between the lions and the hyenas.
    The issue isn’t so much predators and prey, as power and the endless accumulation of it. More is always better. Predators only take what they need, keeping the prey healthy and alert.
    People are linear and goal oriented, while nature is cyclical, reciprocal and feedback generated.
    The bull is power. The matador is art.

  29. Avatar Per/Norway says:

    It will be interesting to see if “the system” defeats this democrat coup.
    It reminds me of a sentence- A republic IF you can keep it.
    Seen from the outside the US just made itself the laughingstock of the world and officially became a banana republic with this election.🤷‍♂️

  30. Avatar Dr. Puck says:

    One thing you can do is present the material evidence that verifies vote fraud at the scale able to overturn the purported legal vote has occurred. Although, it would also be worthwhile to present verifiable vote fraud of any amount.
    I saw OAN play most of Rudy’s presentation at a landscaping company in Pennsylvania yesterday. From that I would suggest you’re looking for fraud in some other direction, and at the scale of tens of thousands of votes in Wisconsin, Georgia, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
    I have not seen any review of any supposed system through which mail-in ballots may be used to add illegal votes. To me the basic problem is how to beat the bar codes, the signature match, and the anchoring with registration rolls—all this, so that you can cheat without getting caught.
    One other aspect is the coordination problem and the human resources required to cheat at a large enough scale.
    It is also possible that this is yet another leftist perfect crime against which the Constitutionalist white hats and modern forensics are completely helpless.

  31. Avatar blue peacock says:

    All,
    What are the credible list of evidence of fraud that created the tens of thousands of ballots for Biden that is beyond a reasonable doubt for a court to rule on, other than the statistical anomaly that Larry notes?
    What are the current court challenges that the Trump campaign are litigating?
    It would appear that the Trump campaign needs courts to rule in favor of re-counts with specific and unambiguous rules for determining the validity of a ballot. How would such a re-count catch the tens of thousands of ballots that are claimed to be fraudulent?

  32. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    In a time of in which extraordinary hypocrisy has become all too common, George W. Bush sets a new standard for tone-deaf double standards:
    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/georgebush-congratulates-biden-harris/2020/11/08/id/996011/
    “The outcome is clear?” Just like it was “clear” less than a week after Election Day in 2000? Did I imagine a 45-day gap while GWB exhausted all legal avenues?
    I voted for GWB twice, and spent every day of his administration in the military. I fought in the wars he started. I’ve never been one to dwell on things I wish I have done differently, but I really wish I could go back and not vote for GWB. I know he’s a swamp creature; that’s been obvious from the start. I just didn’t realize what an absolute hypocritical buffoon he was until now.
    Amazing.

  33. Avatar Jose says:

    Great post, we had already done all those except cancel Netflix.
    Since we get Netflix for free via T-Mobile, we will not cancel.
    No more trips to Disney or Universal.
    No Scarlet Witch or Aquaman 2.
    Sent e-mail to Marco Rubio, “Your silence will be remembers in 2024.”

  34. Avatar DG says:

    I rarely post here. Here’s a copy of what has not yet appeared at that ‘Alt-news’ site Off-G. Maybe you will consider the parallels I draw with recent U.K. plebiscites. Thanks.
    “We lie , cheat and steal “
    The election in a nutshell.
    Declaring one self elected and having the controlled media shouting it as settled – WHEN all the votes haven’t been counted and any recounts aren’t held is – STEALING
    stuffing Postal Votes is CHEATING
    Declaring a result before a verified count is LYING.
    These people don’t ever plan to ACTUALLY have a fair plebiscite- they just plan to cheat lie and steal.
    As they did to the UK a year ago in the GE to depose the only real resistance they have had since 1983.
    As they did with the PV fraud that tipped the BrexShit referendum in 2016 and the Scottish Indy ref before that.
    Trump had a chance to fire the Pompus arse when he declared a interference on another country’s election, by unleashing his GAUNTLET to stop Corbyn!
    That was the major failure of the Trump team to curtail these praetorians because they too are beholden to these who have real control on defining National Interests, the gods of big Money, Men and Women who live in the hidden heights in the Pathocracy of Oz. Where they dangle the reward of a seat at their table – to encourage their sociopathic CEO’s who they install in Power to deliver their ends.
    It has never been as obvious as it is today – yet the deluded still believe the media and think something has CHANGED!
    Like they believed Obama was the Change. He was just passed a baton in a illusion of democracy and reality of controlled oppositions. he dropped more bombs and destroyed Libya and damned near destroyed Syria and would have passed the trigger to Hillary to do more and destroy Iran and Venezuela.
    If Harris is inaugurated in January – nato will be putting boots in on the ground within months.
    We will be killing civilians by their tens of thousands and our ‘boys & heroes’ will be coming back in bits in body bags and trauma wards daily.

    Is it too early to say ‘chickens coming home to roost’ ?
    Is it also not obvious there is no ‘hard left’ in the US? As there isn’t in the U.K.? The same people have used the same methods on the only social democrats in both countries.
    Hell yes I say President Trump is a Social Democrat – by deed if not word.
    I am not planning on making any replies if this comment is published unless the author or the colonel want.
    Kind regards to all.

  35. Avatar John Credulous says:

    Mail in ballots, does this help:
    USPS photographs all the mail that goes through their system.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/03/us/postal-service-confirms-photographing-all-us-mail.html
    WASHINGTON — The Postal Service on Friday confirmed that it takes a photograph of every letter and package mailed in the United States — about 160 billion pieces last year — and occasionally provides the photos to law enforcement agencies that request them as part of criminal cases.
    The entire ruling class has turned their back on Trump – It. Is. Over. The USSC will screw him, because they can.
    Guns – Fuggedaboutit – better think about ammo – getting scarce.
    Provocations – expect them – shameless of course – they will literally empower bums to enforce unjust rules – to provoke a reaction – don’t be a reactionary – don’t respond in a way that “they” can use as an excuse for a real clamp down. Have no doubt, they will create some political theater to advance their agenda, it is all that they are good at. Expect a lone gunman.
    Think Ruby Ridge. They will tolerate no challenge to their authority.
    Ride this for two years until the mid-terms. Patience is the key here, and the “goal” – is the deplorables (or soon to be Les Miserables) gaining an effective plurality. This goal is won through clear explanation of the why’s and how’s of current events.
    Mohamed Morsi – slim plurality and acted as if he had a mandate, and guess what ?
    They have promised the spongers and gold brickers too much. Pelosi and Schemer will pander but not share power.
    Encourage a split in their ranks. Expect the middle class to be blamed for everything and taxed accordingly.
    Larry – all of your recommendations are good – i would add – stop watching TV and listening to the radio – only use your PC / tablet / phone to “graze” the media that you trust. Imagine the person who wakes up at 6AM to go to work and turns on the TV for GMA. Or the radio for NPR. Where is “space” for mental clarity – to allow mental connections to be made and analyses to be formed. MSM acts like the beast of the Apocalypse. Turn it off.
    They’ll run the country straight into the ground with there identity politics. Will China, Russia, Brazil, India and Iran be standing idly by marking time ?
    Question – for how many years will “they” be blaming Trump for all of their failures.
    Colonel Lang, now more than ever, your leadership is needed.

  36. Avatar Diana L Croissant says:

    I too would rather lose an election than have an election “stolen” by underhanded means. I want our elections to be conducted fairly and without underhanded attempts to “steal” the election or to set up procedures to “insure” that the election go the way some underhanded politicians and media outlets and Silicon Valley billionaires want it to go.
    Sadly, I feel the election will be stolen this time if the Democrats get their way. I will without reserve say that I truly wanted and still want Trump to win the election.
    How many political figures can you name who have had crowds of thousands of people travel to large rallies and shout “We Love You” to their candidate of choice? The man is nothing like what most people expect in a politician. And that is exactly why those crowds of people wanted him to win. He is definitely not a “politician” to those people. He is one of what the crowd, the billions of the the “unwashed” that most of our regular politicians claim they work for but whom those politicians have nothing but disdain, sees as a possible “savior” of some sort.
    Thus, the brainwashed youngsters destroying cities and the overpaid “news” hosts cheer those “useful idiots” on while believing they will soon be considered part of the “intelligentsia” and the “vanguard” of the new order.
    It’s what happens when we allow the minds of our youth to shrivel and turn to Swiss Cheese while wasting their youth in so-called “educational” institutions.
    It breaks my heart that many of my parents’ generation grew up listening to their elders, the people of my great-grandparents’ and my great aunts’ and uncles’ generations, tell horror stories about the Bolsheviks coming into their villages and s=taking over their farms and forcing their boys into conscription into the revolution or else.
    I feel ashamed that my generation and thee younger generation did not ever really study or read or learn and can not now understand what is happening to them and their children’s generations.
    The only hope is in a continued rise in the number of home schooled, private schooled, charter schooled, and Christian schooled young people who are now growing into adulthood. I hope there are enough of them.

  37. Avatar Deap says:

    Why are Biden forces rushing anything? No deadlines are being missed. In fact, just the opposite. This is supposed to be a careful process, to ensure the integrity of the people’s choice.
    And Inauguration is not for two and a half more months. This current Democrat/media rush to judgement is suspicious.
    Chill, Democrats. Stop creating even more chaos. Or after 4 years, is daily chaos just a hard habit for you to break? We are so done with your double-speak. You betrayed us.

  38. Avatar JasonT says:

    “Here is where we see the sloppiness of the Democrat plot against Trump–the Dems foolishly forgot to cook the books on the House and the Senate. Trump’s coat tails brought significant gains in the House of Representatives and prevented a wipeout in the Senate. It is historically and statistically improbable that Republicans win back seats in House and hold the Senate while Trump allegedly lose…”
    In the Upper Midwest, where my family hails from, I have seen a dynamic unfold which offers some explanation. The wealthy, Republican side of my family…who always vote Republican…they hate Trump and either voted Biden or Libertarian while casting votes for the Republican Party down ballot. A sizeable chunk of their social circle did also.
    I am not saying Biden won fair and square, but Repulicans keeping the Senate and gaining in the House isn’t evidence of foul play.

  39. Avatar Larry C Johnson says:

    Jason,
    You are showing willful ignorance or just unwilling to accept history as a guide. When the down ticket performs as it did it is because of the President. That’s one of the reasons the Republicans lost the House in 2018.
    Moreover, there is clear evidence of hundreds of thousands of ballots in the so-called battleground states showing only a vote for Biden. Real voters don’t do that.

  40. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Jason,
    Voter fraud is much easier in heavily-populated urban areas.
    Most of the areas in which the fraud is occurring for this election have Democrat US Representatives in “safe seats,” so you should not expect to see complaints from Republican candidates. Further, U.S Senate seats only stand for election every six years. As a result, only ~1/3 of seats are subject to this election. Go to the list of “battleground states” which are presumed to have been the sites of widespread fraud, and look how many Republican Senators were actually running for re-election in those states.
    If you drill down on the candidates and the (blue or red) nature of the districts involved, you’ll draw the conclusion that fraud wouldn’t have an effect on the US Representative or Senator results in areas in question.
    JMG

  41. Avatar Leith says:

    Jason has a good point about the down ballot votes. I’ve seen the same thing at our VFW chapter. One guy there has not voted a straight Republican ticket since Hanoi Jane visited Nam 48 years ago. This year he said he could not in good faith vote for Trump, but would vote GOP on the rest of the ballot. Our House Representative, a Republican, won handily.

  42. Avatar lux says:

    Don’t pretend you did an analysis …
    Posted by: JM Gavin | 08 November 2020 at 09:32 AM

    Anatoly Karlin did a pretty good analysis as far as I am concerned. You may want to take a look at it. As a Russian living in the US he may well be considered an objective observer. No dogs in the fight. At least I don’t think he has dual citizenship. Neither can he be described as adherent to the liberal order.
    https://www.unz.com/akarlin/maga-cope/
    On the other hand Andrew KORYBKO (American, still in Moscow?) suggests on different places on the web, that the
    election fraud is in fact the materialization of the coup feared since late 2016 early 2017: The Anti-Trump Regime Change Sequence Is Worthwhile Studying, 06/11/2020
    I fully agree with Jason, was on my mind too when reading the article.

  43. Avatar optimax says:

    JM Gavin
    I heard GW Bush also said Trump had a right to contest the election.

  44. Avatar longarch says:

    Sir:
    YouTube may remove the opinions of Thomas Wictor, so here is a non-YouTube link:
    https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=07KRFyarGyw
    Thomas Wictor claims that POTUS has a flexible plan. POTUS will probably win in court, but even if he doesn’t, Wictor claims that POTUS will use CISA and NCSWIC to force a federal audit of the elections. An audit is not simply a recount: it allegedly would involve armed federal auditors.

  45. Avatar EEngineer says:

    @longarch
    Interesting… If CISA is staffed with clean people and the chain of command isn’t compromised this could be a watershed. If not, it would be like the rest of the establishment: another enemy inside the wire. We will find out shortly…

  46. Avatar mcohen says:

    Lol.deplorable.trump must not concede or whatever.He won.
    4 years and 4 days.Starting From 20/1/2017.day of inauguration…not over yet

  47. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    Dr. Puck “I have not seen any review of any supposed system through which mail-in ballots may be used to add illegal votes.”
    I assume that the key is identifying who is on the books but is no longer living at their old address (or who never existed at all, though the address is valid) because such a person will be sent a ballot paper but won’t be at that address to receive it.
    What happens to the envelope after that?
    If Nasty People take delivery of it then they have a perfectly legitimate ballot paper that they can fill in any way they want and then “post” it of into the system.
    Or am I missing something that would prevent this?

  48. Avatar Fred says:

    confusedponderer,
    “I read that one large biker event in the US (in some state south east) …”
    You can’t be talking about bike week in Sturgis, South Dakota as that was in August and drew less than half a million and the death total – I notice you didn’t talk about people dying – was reported as being one person. That other “biker event” was in Daytona Beach the second week of March. Months ago.
    That was at the same time Cuomo’s Covid killing spree in the nursing homes was just starting. Lots of people fled NY (the same way the just left Paris), also NJ, RI, MA, NH and the rest of New England. Most of them for destinations along the East coast of Florida.
    “Net result iirc….” You didn’t remember correctly. That didn’t result in massive hospitalization rates or death counts either. Got anything more recent than a Biden campaign talking point that scares old white folks?

  49. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    lux,
    Okay, I took a look at it.
    You quoted me from a discussion regarding policy differences betwen Biden and Trump. How does a Russian article about fraud have any bearing on policy?
    Further, I’m glad you fully agree with Jason…did you do the analysis that I suggested to Jason, or will you keep viewing the world through the lens of anecdotes and emotions?
    optimax,
    That makes his statements less hypocritical for you? Good for you.
    JMG

  50. Avatar lux says:

    Further, I’m glad you fully agree with Jason…did you do the analysis that I suggested to Jason, or will you keep viewing the world through the lens of anecdotes and emotions?
    As the biblical Thomas i would like to put my fingers on the evidence. Since I can’t, I would prefer to opt out for the time being. I would be prepared to give Trump four more years to clear up matters while draining the swamp.
    I do occasionally vote the way Jason suggested. No other reason, I support him.
    Now that I hear Sidney Powell is involved on the Trump-Election-Fraud-Proof-Force it may need much less time.

  51. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    lux,
    I respect your voting habits (I have no business telling anyone how to vote), and I have devoted thirty years to defending your right to your vote, and your right to have your vote mean something.
    I don’t care for either Trump or Biden. I don’t like either the D’s or the R’s. I care very deeply about the system of checks and balances and the Rule of Law.
    If this process that is playing out before our eyes continues without lawful resolution, the system of checks and balances, and the Rule of Law itself is dead. That is the end of the Republic. You don’t need to get worked up about that if it doesn’t bother you, but you also should see things for what they are.
    JMG

  52. Avatar akaPatience says:

    I just read Larry’s UPDATE. In the past week, I’ve become aware of increasingly suspicious or outright obvious instances of likely election fraud. BUT, how can this be rectified? What can be done when ballots for Trump are thrown out by poll workers? What can be done if fraudulently back-dated envelopes are discarded? It seems to me that the only way to correct occurrences of these types is with a highly-supervised do-over, but is anything of the sort likely?

  53. Avatar AndreL says:

    Keith,
    It’s entirely possible that Rudy intentionally went to the landscaping venue to shake the Money Tree.

  54. Avatar Deap says:

    Coming to SST to get beat up by lying Democrat gas-lighters is not how I choose to spend my final days on this planet.
    Hearing all sides is one thing; getting battered by distortions and bald-faced political agendas is quite another. For that repugnant alternative, I can keep reading the WSJ. Not the more intimate environment of SST.

  55. Avatar AndreL says:

    Yes, those “shit-hole banana republic” authoritarians and assorted despots elsewhere must be comforted by the fact that a presidential candidate here can receive a substantial majority of the popular vote and still not be elected. Conversely, they may lose the popular vote and still win, “So,there!”. Don’t try explaining the nuances of our system to them. As far as the legal blitzkrieg being launched by the trumpies, let them go for it if that’s where they wish to spend their time and resources instead of in GA. Of course that may not matter at all to Donald.

  56. Avatar Leith says:

    @AndreL – “…shake the money tree.”
    Perhaps? Four Seasons is a very large small business that specializes in landscaping commercial properties, and they have the contract for the Philadelphia Airport. But they have stated they would have also been glad to host a campaign event for any Presidential candidate regardless of party. And they just now started cashing in on their celebrity by selling stickers, tee-shirts and sweat-shirts advertising “Lawn and Order” and “Make America Rake Again”. Not a dime of it going to Trump.
    https://www.fstl1992.com/fstlmerch
    More interesting is that the first voter fraud witness that Giuliani called to the podium at Four Seasons is a convicted sex offender. His name is Daryl Brooks from New Jersey. He spent three years in jail in New Jersey for sexual assault, lewdness and endangering the welfare of a child. Why didn’t Giuliani not even take time to vet his so-called witnesses? Rudy is a shitstorm and has hurt Trump more than he has helped him. He does more damage to his client than the Biden campaign does. You have to wonder: is Rudy really that nuts, or is he secretly working against Trump?
    https://www.politico.com/states/new-jersey/story/2020/11/09/man-featured-at-giuliani-press-conference-is-a-sex-offender-1335241

  57. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    @ john merryman “Yes and this election was like the wildebeest having to chose between the lions and the hyenas.”
    Failed simile.
    We wildebeestes had a choice between safety and hyena/lion/snake.
    The others ARE the hyenas, lions and snakes, and they voted for themselves.

  58. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    @ srw
    The alleged Biden margin of 5 million “votes” is not a “fact” it is a massive fraud.
    Take your razor and shove it where it hurts.

  59. Avatar elaine says:

    Trump just fired Esper

  60. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    Deap, hang in with us. Your thoughtful comments are needed. Little by little, (I’m rearing teen-agers, so time is tight and many other things to think/worry about) we’ll refute the dems. But didn’t you say the other day that you were going on a long walk by the ocean and weren’t coming back? (Not that I want you to go!) Might have been Leith, I get you mixed up. Can’t leave the field, eh?

  61. Avatar blue peacock says:

    More color on the statistical anomaly that Larry noted in his post.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-defies-logic-scientist-finds-telltale-signs-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot
    It would appear that those 3-4am ballot dumps need to be investigated. Maybe they have now all been mixed in and can’t be segregated. It would be interesting if a court decides to throw out those vote counts in the wee hours of the morning.

  62. Avatar NancyK says:

    JMG, I am denying that I have seen clear evidence of criminal action. I admit the vote was close, nearly as many voters dislike Trump as president as love him. But that does not indicate an election was stolen.
    As for predator and prey. I think there are many levels in between, and aren’t we all worm meat in the end. Does that make worms super predators and the rest of us prey?

  63. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    NancyK,
    I have never seen clear evidence that some Americans owned slaves in the past, or that Nazi Germany developed a systematic process to kill millions of “undesirables.” I still believe that those events happened. Same goes for moon landings.
    Great White sharks are just prey for the small crabs that eat the shark’s carcass after it dies and sinks, then? Got it. Hope that outlook works out for you. It appears you and I have nothing in common, and we’ll not see eye to eye on any topic.
    JMG

  64. Avatar LARRY Johnson says:

    NancyK,
    I take it you do not have a basic education in math? That’s the only explanation I can come up with to account for your inability to recognize a blatant theft. The evidence is overwhelming. You only need to have an 8th grade reading ability to grasp the evidence.

  65. Avatar Boronx says:

    Deap, a little common sense will tell you a vice president does not have the pull to get chief prosecutor fired in any independent country, nor can he withhold aid.
    Biden therefore must have been a vessel for Obama’s will on this errand, not his own. There’s little chance Obama cared about Hunter Biden.

  66. Avatar optimax says:

    JMG
    It’s obvious W’s statement is hypocritical. I pointed out a conflicting statement he made. That is not a an argument against hypocrisy.

  67. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    optimax,
    Fair enough…I wonder how the GWB of 2000 would respond to the same message from the GWB of today. I used to consider GWB to be a honorable man, unsuited to the tasks before him. I’m not sure if he changed, or if I was wrong all along. He’s not worth the time to consider further. Funny how his dislike for Trump causes him to disregard all the things Obama and Biden said about him for eight years. They were still blaming him for everything wrong in the world well into Obama’s second term.
    JMG

  68. Avatar optimax says:

    JMG
    I voted for Pat Buchanan in 2000 but was glad Gore didn’t win. An encouraging sign during that campaign was Bush saying he didn’t believe in nation building. But 9/11 changed everything unfortunately. I thought we could drive a wedge between the Taliban and Al Quaeda by eliminating the latter and leave, letting the militias keep the weapons we gave them.

  69. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    optimax,
    I was in Afghanistan when they made the “switch” to nation-building. This was through the summer and fall of 2002.
    Our CONOPS starting getting kicked back if we used words like capture, eliminate, interdict, etc. At first we were a bit befuddled, looking at each other, saying “it seems like they want to start some sort of nation-building nonsense.” We found that unlikely, given all the complaints from the Republicans during the prior decade of nation-building at the pointy end of Bill Clinton’s foreign policy.
    The it became clear that was exactly what was going on. Some colonel came by, and told us “effective 1 January, combat is over, and Phase Four reconstruction starts.”
    Those of us out on the ground found that odd, as it really seemed like the war was just getting started. Of course, at that time, there were only a few hundred Coalition troops “out on the ground” away from Bagram and Kabul. My “firebase” with two teams had half of Helmand, all of Nimruz and Farah, and half of Herat provinces. That’s twenty-some muldoons covering down on about 20% of Afghanistan.
    That was my second tour. I realized then that the train was off the rails. Took several more tours until I figured out (around 2008) that we were losing.
    And the rest is, as they say, history.
    JMG

  70. Avatar optimax says:

    JMG
    Thank you for the inside scoop on our foreign policy from a soldiers point of view. I voted for Trump because he hasn’t gotten us into a new war and is working on getting us out of Afghanistan. Biden will undo all that.

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