The Mexican “Race?”


What "race" is that?  Mexicans are a nationality, not a race.  Judge Gonzalo Curiel looks as white as I, and that is quite white.  What really is going on is that the Borgist media has sought continuously to destroy Trump, first by scorn and then by searching with a microscope for some meme that can be developed into public hysteria with which to accomplish their goal of destroying Trump and electing Clinton.

He is, IMO a business buffoon who has no idea what to say and what not.  That does not lessen the guilt of the media in destroying and manipulating the political process in pursuit of their own agenda.

He apparently insists on bringing the rope to his own media lynching.  "Lynching" is not PC?  Well, you know what you can do with that. 

BTW, SWMBO and I have been sending Sanders money every month and more than $27.  the donation we made today divided the money between Sanders and Major (Rep.) Tulsi Gabbard. 

I will write in Sanders name in November.  pl

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150 Responses to The Mexican “Race?”

  1. HankP says:

    “Racism” gets used a lot where “bigotry” would be more accurate.
    As far as Trump, I’m not sure that pointing out that he’s said awful things is destroying democracy. HRC has said awful things and (rightly) gets called out on it as well. She’s just a professional politician so she tries to avoid handing ammo to her opposition, unlike Trump who revels in it. It’s part of his appeal.

  2. turcopolier says:

    Hank P “Racism” is deliberately used with regard to him because the media knows that this is a term of total condemnation. Is their twisting of the meaning of words in a search for a way to deceive the public not “destroying democracy?” As for HC you must be completely in the bag for her if you think she is being called out for her violations of the law and the money laundering of the CGI. IMO the motto of her campaign should be to quote SNL, “why is this old Jew in my way?” pl

  3. Alexey says:

    Actually that is not exactly true. Racial studies in the west pretty much died out as far as I understand, but in Russia for example this topic is still studied by serious scientists. And from what I understand Mexica and Brazil are two places there new races are being born right now. That is not races of first order but science divides even Europeans for a few races like East Baltic race or Mediterranian race.

  4. mlaw says:

    Well, they looked for a meme, but they didn’t destroy him, so now they are trying to decide whether his popularity is due to an insular minority of “racists” or perhaps they have so lost credibility that their memes no longer matter. A couple of observations, and I preface this by agreeing that he is to my mind more of a crass buffoon than anything else;
    1) his original comments, since shorthanded as a judgment on Mexicans as a people, were limited to those crossing the border, i.e. “they aren’t sending us their best.” Also, he commented upon the fact that a very high percentage of female Mexican migrants are raped to which he made the obvious observation that somebody was raping them. Were these comments dog whistle calls to racism? perhaps so, but the reporting doesn’t reflect what he actually said and it appears that the press has chosen to “simplify” for the consumption of the general public, which it pretty clearly assumes are idiots.
    2)Same with the Muslim immigration issue. Perhaps a religious baiting dog whistle, but what he actually said was that the ban should be limited until the government can provide some confidence in vetting potential “terrorists” from the population.
    3)The McCain POW remarks were just stupid, on the other hand he backed down and rethought within the next 10-15 seconds of the same interview, and offered up that McCain was, in fact, a hero for his service.
    In truth I am doubtful that anyone currently in the race has any principals at all, save Sen. Sanders. On the other hand, most of the “memes” about Mrs Clinton are a result of the drumbeat of repeated, but unsubstantiated, rumor and innuendo. As suggested here by others it is quite possible that, if elected, Clinton will turn out to be George Bush “lite,” but equally possibly that Trump would turn out to be fairly progressive.
    My bottom line is that Trump seems to shoot from the hip, while Mrs. Clinton appears to be very, perhaps overly, careful.

  5. ambrit says:

    Living in the South, and encountering Latinos, legal and illegal, all the time, I have to laugh over the attempt to turn what is essentially an economic problem for the ‘nativists’, of all colours, into a racial bias issue.
    The ‘natives’ are good and fed up with the business world undercutting the workers pay by importing cheaper labour. This has been around almost forever. The alienating of the ‘races’ is a distraction, albeit easy to do.
    Finally, many of the Latino ‘immigrants’ I speak to say that they would love to be home, if those places could be made safe for ordinary people. The main destructive issue mentioned is the War on Drugs. In many places, the WOD has gained the dimensions of a civil war. As Syria shows, no one wants to live in a civil war zone. The ‘Illegales’ are our American grown refugee problem. Add them to the run of the mill economic migrants, and one has a suddenly ‘major’ problem. Many of these people will not go home because it is not safe for them to do so.
    So, to see this problem turned into an “example” of Trumps’ ‘evil nature’ is both simplistic and dishonest.
    As for the ‘Mexican’ meme in general, well, when I try my mangled Spanish on real Mexicans, they crack up, because I learned much of my Spanish in Miami, where ‘Cuban’ Spanish is predominant. Next, try calling a Guatemalan a Dirty Mexican. The fight that results is over you calling a perfectly self respecting Guatemalan, Mexican.

  6. Jack says:

    You may not have to write in Sanders. It seems he’s hoping for a big win in California tomorrow and then campaigning all the way to the convention.
    So, its gonna depend on how my California votes tomorrow. Many of my Democrat friends, family and neighbors have already voted for Sanders using postal ballots. Also, several of my fellow independents have requested Democrat ballots to vote Sanders. I however chose to abstain from voting in the primary of the duopoly. It seems however that Sanders has been unable to close the deal with ethnic minorities, seniors, middle-aged white women and blacks here in California as well.
    The only thing I’m certain about right now for November is that I will not be voting for the Borg Queen.
    We’ll have to see post convention how the race shapes up and if the election will be once again voting for the lesser evil or if people actually vote their conscience. I typically never vote for the duopoly.

  7. BabelFish says:

    Hoping the Larry David lookalike makes her triumphant coronation convention a living hell. And will absolutely write in Bernie in the fall.

  8. Kooshy says:

    “He is, IMO a business buffoon who has no idea what to say and what not.”
    Colonel LANG, on this I can’t agree with you more, I wish he, or somebody, could shout him up for next few months, but nevertheless , writing Sanders name on the ballot, while it’s a protest vote of a kind ( I did a similar thing by not voting in last 3) still it means more chance to HRC and possibility of continuation of This same failed policies you are writing here all along.
    I for my self, this time around I rather to vote for a buffoon outsider than giving more chance to the same failed policies, both the same internal and external policies of these last three administrations. Looks like this time around, we both are holding our noses and going to polls. But the irony is, how different, and how similar we all are.

  9. The Sheep Look Up says:

    La Raza might beg to differ with you on the notion of a Mexican “race” – but the incoherence of “Latino” and “Hispanic” is obvious. Just one example: if a cop shoots a Chicano (my preferred term) the latter is referred to as a Latino or a Person of Color by the media, politicians, and activists. However, if a Chicano shoots a cop, the FBI records him as white.
    And “Racism” is a magic word that might be losing its power…

  10. Medicine Man says:

    While I too think the national media operates in bad faith, I’m not sure what response you’d like to see from them in this case, Col. Trump himself left very little ambiguity in his meaning. Even accepting that Trump has probably given them exactly what they want, I can’t see how even an honest media would be responsible for spinning Trump’s ranting into something less damaging.

  11. kao_hsien_chih says:

    And they say Sanders supporters are just a bunch of young, impressionable, and hopelessly liberal kids!!

  12. Prem says:

    Why not vote Trump? OK, he’s a reprobate in many respects, but if you really want to poke the Borg in the eye, a Trump vote is more effective.
    At the end of the day, for all his buffoonery at least he is a mammal and not a reptile, and there is a long shot that his foreign policy will inject a modicum of sanity.

  13. Ante says:

    They really miss the plot. In seeking for a single remark to mark as “beyond the pale” or “this time he’s gone too far” they imagine an audience of people who think only terms of immediate msm ‘optics.’ They should understand that it’s too late for that sort of manipulation.
    Trump fans won’t be appalled by this remark, because they don’t fundamentally respect the institution of the judiciary. They’ve been told since the 70s that “activist” judges are subverting the popular will.
    Democrats cheered for judicial usurpations of various widely supported, but bigoted, laws, and in response, reactionaries groomed a generation of their own lawyers to overturn the popular will in their favor. Eventually they filled the ranks, and the huge capital outlay of scholarships and law school endowments paid off. Citizens united, the Roberts court, the constant bizarre decisions of 2nd circuit, profitable judgements happen daily.
    Laws should be made by elected representatives of the people, those representatives should serve citizens rather than money, and the best interests of citizens should be the first and last concerns.
    The “optics” focused campaign of Hillary Clinton, with its naked pandering to any interest group that sits before her, is fundamentally disdainful and anti anti-democratic. Shuffling the words used about policies that people don’t want, until those people can be temporarily tricked, is something we would have associated with totalitarian states not a horribly long time ago.
    She has the same disgust for the common people as hereditary royalty. Hillary wants to be allowed to reign, and her courtiers are filled with hate for anyone who opposes her, for any reason.
    People feel her disgust, and will happily vote for someone nakedly speaking the opposite of her words. If those statements are bigoted and horrible, even better, catharsis in the face of constant half truth and misrepresentation from the msm. They know Clinton and the associated political/media class fundamentally do not respect them and do not care if they live or die. Violating their norms is only positive for Trump.

  14. HankP says:

    Col. Lang –
    There’s been pretty extensive coverage of her issues with the email server, her actions as SOS, and other issues going back to the 90s. I don’t see that any of it has been covered up or overlooked. It seems that like Trump, a lot of the stuff that’s been reported just doesn’t matter to many voters. Or at least not enough to make them change their mind.
    As far as the use of “racism” as opposed to “bigotry”, a lot of commenters on the left and right make the same mistake, not just the media.

  15. rakesh wahi says:

    what was birtherism if not pure racism? there is along history from housing violations to questionable approach to alleged “central park rapists”.

  16. Daniel Nicolas says:

    So long as Clinton is not in jail/prison and still on the ballot in November as the Democratic Party candidate, I feel obligated to vote is for Trump to ensure the Clintons and their circles do not return to power.
    I continue to remain optimistic that Clinton will be off the ballot by August 2016.

  17. turcopolier says:

    rakesh wahi
    He bears the cultural imprint of German peasant and Scottish Calvinist grandparents. Do you not pity him? You on the other hand, are evidently descended from Indian ancestors noted for their cultural and ethnic tolerance. What was that about “untouchables?” pl

  18. turcopolier says:

    Hank P
    Oh! BS! If you were not in the bag for her you would see that there is no comparison in the coverage. She violated the law concerning government secrets and is going to get away with it because Obama wants a successor he can control. pl

  19. walrus says:

    Col. Lang, I take issue with your characterisation of Trump as a “business buffoon”. He is a very successful person and has the money to prove it – earned in property development, among other things, which is a blood sport not for the stupid or faint hearted.
    Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame has characterised Trump as a master persuader – his utterances are (mostly) calculated and aimed extremely accurately at emotional states of listeners.
    The only warning sign I can see is that he doesn’t drink…..

  20. BrotherJoe says:

    Actually I think Trump has a good point. After all don’t we choose our Supreme Court justices at least partially on the basis of race/ethnicity/gender ?
    At least one woman because presumably only women can understand issues relating to women.
    At least one black since presumably only blacks can fully understand black issues.
    At least one latino since presumably only latinos can fully understand issues related to latinos.
    And currently, at least four jews since … ?
    It could be argued that a judge who belongs to an organization called “La Raza” (the race) would be unable to fully understand an issue confronting a white/European man.
    Of course it sounds silly when presented in that way, but apparently the members of Congress have no sense of humor.

  21. robt willmann says:

    It seemed to me a while back that when president Obama was telling donors to give to Hillary Clinton’s campaign since Bernie Sanders was not doing so well, he (Obama) was not going to let attorney general Loretta Lynch seek a criminal charge against Hillary. Then, later Obama said that Hillary was “careless” with her e-mail system. Now, the New York Times newspaper says as of today (6 June) that: “President Obama, after months of sitting on the sidelines of the rancorous contest to succeed him, is now ready to aggressively campaign for Hillary Clinton, starting with a formal endorsement of her candidacy as early as this week.” (you have to allow “cookies” on the browser to display it)–
    Unless something surprising happens at the Democratic Convention, Hillary will be the nominee without a criminal indictment.
    In my opinion, Obama was/is not going to allow Hillary to be charged with a crime because the banksters and large financial companies control him (yes, control him; his support for their legislation and his failure to prosecute any Wall Street executives for criminal fraud is clear enough); and Bill Clinton signed the legislation that repealed the Glass-Steagall law that allowed some financial institutions to get even larger and to do the fraud and looting they have been doing. Plus, financial companies have made their investment in her through large sums of money paid to Hillary for her silly speeches.
    A book that is easy to read and worth buying is “JPMadoff, the Unholy Alliance Between America’s Biggest Bank and America’s Biggest Crook”, written by Helen Davis Chaitman and Lance Gotthoffer, two lawyers very knowledgeable about the law of finance (and Helen Chaitman has been involved in a lawsuit about Madoff)–
    Also, from 2014–
    As was said many years ago by a particular female in France — or by someone — about the “little people”: Let them eat cake.

  22. kooshy says:

    Colonel Lang, jus FYI, looks like the Borg and their Queen didn’t want to take any chance on tomorrow’s primaries. The night before, through their ever loyal MS, they just announced Clinton has achieved the number of delegates to be nominated, so dear voters, don’t waste your time and don’t bother to go polls tomorrow. One wonders, if the Borg and their already selected nominee, do believe that the supper delegates do have the right to change their vote or mind, between now and Nov. So my dear Colonel Lang please sharpen your pen, that is, since in this coming Nov. you said, you are going to write a full name, and not just fill in the circle next to someone’ name.

  23. DC says:

    The AP just announced HRC as the D nominee, having counted all of her pledged delegates and superdelegates…weeks before the superdelegates actually vote at the convention, and mere hours before the very important CA primary. Count me as disgusted by the AP’s unprofessional decision. A lot can change between now and the convention. I am leaning toward Sanders, also, out of anger at our national situation.

  24. Mark Logan says:

    The media is ignoring the issue of obstruction of justice and choosing race for some reason. I may be because race is viewed as a better for ratings.
    Here’s one state’s definition:
    My gut tells me Trump is a man looking to get himself fired, and if at all possible before the convention. It could be subliminally driven, but I would be surprised if his lawyers handling his case have not warned him against this, or at least begged him to knock it off.

  25. Nana2007 says:

    I rode on an elevator with him once, trump Taj Mahal. Surprisingly tall, cold and menacing. No eye contact- perhaps he wished us all out of existence? Hard to tell. Pretty reptilian, but then aren’t we all.
    My new pet theory is that Donald Trump is Bill Clinton’s suicidal revenge scheme on HRC. For a little while I was hanging onto Trump as an FSB agent. That still could be right, although the odds have been trending downwards. As with everything.

  26. rakesh wahi says:

    when we become US citizens we are expected to leave our native strifes and prejudices behind. Maybe as immigrants we believe in US ideals more.

  27. GlennY says:

    It’s either Trump or the U.S. will continue to devolve into a third-world country at a increasing rate (as economists say, increasing at an increasing rate). The U.S. will become shockingly brutal and unrecognizable within a generation. I don’t think many Americans are aware of the extent of social welfare support and dependency of third-world immigrants. Nor the shocking levels of criminality. I do because of my job. Surprisingly Trump does as well. Let me leave you with only one public information source that is indicative of the America your children will live in. FBI Most Wanted– murder.

  28. HankP says:

    Col. Lang –
    As I’ve said before, I’m not an expert in intelligence or law, so I’ll wait until she’s convicted of something before labeling her a criminal. Just the same as I’ll do with Trump or anyone else accused of a crime.

  29. optimax says:

    The nation can’t stand four years of Clinton and I can’t handle four years of Trump airing his personal and business grievances in public. Will also write in Sanders.
    The Borg will do everything it can to tie Trump up in court. CNN is on an anti-Trump 24 hour telethon–anyone with a grievance can call in.

  30. Larry Kart says:

    Colonel — I don’t understand “because Obama wants a successor he can control.” First, why would an out-of-office Obama think that he could control an elected Clinton (I would think that would be a virtual impossibility). Second, what signs do you see that Obama would even want to control Clinton (or much of anything for that matter) after he leaves office? As president he’s shown little enough ability or desire to control things in any meaningful, effective sense.

  31. Mac says:

    Agree with your post.
    Not to be outdone, Our friends at DOJ thought along the same lines at Trump…

  32. JMGavin says:

    Colonel Lang-
    You are older, wiser, and more wily in the ways of The Beltway than I, so…a question: How it is in President Obama’s interest to help Ms. Clinton in any way? Ms. Clinton is going to end up in a hell of a mess, whether she is President or not. Her legal issues aren’t going away. Her forgotten debts remain unpaid, and there will be a reckoning. For Obama, any control over her would cease come Inauguration Day. After that, he becomes a liability to President H. Clinton…not a great end result. As an aside, I also wonder if William Clinton has contemplated what happens once the woman he has scorned and humiliated for so long no longer needs him, and she also happens to be the most powerful person on the planet.
    Colonel, why Bernie Sanders? If you are going to write in someone not on the ballot, can’t you find someone more…qualified…than Sen. Sanders?
    Since you reveal who you will vote for, I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. If I was of a mind to write someone in, Jim Webb would get the ink of my pen.

  33. Bill Herschel says:

    Imported cheap labor was a big issue in Shakespeare’s London. Native English workers were punished severely for attacking foreigners. It has been around forever.
    Illegal immigrants in the U.S. are a product of the 1% wanting cheap labor. They would be gone tomorrow if the laws were enforced. Double standard.

  34. Bill Herschel says:

    You have to listen to what he says when he is interviewed by Howard Stern. He sounds like a thoughtful real estate guy, which is what he is. He doesn’t fall for any of Howard’s weirdness.
    He’s being Putin’ed. I don’t like it. At all. In the slightest. Anyone who says Hillary Clinton is not fit to be President and says that all William Kristol wants is to kill people is worthy of a protest vote at least.
    I cannot quarrel with writing in Sanders. But I don’t think it will shake things up.

  35. Bill Herschel says:

    It is none of my business, but I hope that SWMBO has recovered from her injuries. To me they sounded pretty significant, and I infer that they have not had a truly lasting effect. That would be excellent.

  36. Will Reks says:

    I think the “Mexican” aspect to all this is Trump’s ploy to distract from the allegations of fraud in the Trump University lawsuits. The media may be doing him a favor here.
    The transaction between the Florida AG and Trump sounds almost like a bribe.

  37. oofda says:

    Except Herr Drumpf is calling fire down on himself by now instructing his surrogates to attack the “racist” reporters. According to reports on a recent conference call, he is doubling down on his attacks on Judge Curiel and instructing his supporters to after the reporters asking questions. And this is after reports are coming out that after state attorney generals in Florida and Texas stopped investigations into his Trump University and later received campaign donations from him. And allegedly the FL AG asked for a donation after the investigation was halted. If he is going out of his way to attack the media, he can only expect to have them double their efforts.
    His attacks on the judge sitting on his case are beyond stupid. He is essentially calling one of the branches of government crooked- and he is seeking the job of chief executive of the country. If it was a question of governmental powers that would be one thing- but here he has cases before the courts. And one involves a civil suit under RICO statutes. That is what he might be worried about.

  38. Mongoose says:

    I’m a supporter of Sanders, but here in Oklahoma if I were to write-in Sanders in November my whole ballot would by law be invalidated because both parties in this state conspired together many years past to prevent write-in candidates. You vote for a candidate not on the ballot here and the whole ballot is tossed. As result, I will have no choice (and no voice as a result) but to leave my presidential vote blank.

  39. readerOfTeaLeaves says:

    It’s cheering to think that I’m in good company contributing to Gabbard and Sanders.
    After watching the AP and other media, including NYT, announce Hillary as Dem nominee on the night before the CA, NJ, ND, SD primaries, I can barely contain my contempt for a process that implies voters should not trouble themselves to exercise their right to vote; the nomination’s a done deal and they should accept being voiceless and powerless.
    If Clinton set out to deliberately antagonize Sanders’ voters, she could not have done a more stellar job.
    Even Trump wasn’t that ham-fisted.
    A this point, writing in Bernie Sanders is my only sane option.

  40. Of the 55 million people citizens and residents [legal?] in the U.S, many estimate 1/2 to 2/3 have some Mexican heritage. Is this accurate?

  41. Wiki Extract:
    Mexican Americans (Spanish: mexico-americanos or estadounidenses de origen mexicano) are Americans of full or partial Mexican descent. As of July 2013, Mexican Americans made up 10.9% of the United States’ population, as 34.6 million U.S. residents identified as being of full or partial Mexican ancestry. As of July 2013, Mexican Americans comprised 64.1% of all Hispanics and Latinos in the United States.
    The United States is home to the second-largest Mexican community in the world, second only to Mexico itself, and comprising more than 24% of the entire Mexican-origin population of the world. Canada is a distant third with a small Mexican Canadian population of 96,055 (0.3% of the population) as of 2011.
    Over 60% of all Mexican Americans reside in the states of California and Texas. In 2012, the United States admitted 145,326 Mexican immigrants, and as of November 2014, over 1.3 million Mexicans were on the waiting list to immigrate to the United States through legal means.

  42. Did you mean “employ” him?

  43. MRW says:

    The two videos on this site about Trump are worth watching. One is by the former Chief North American Economist for the B of A/Merrill Lynch who foresaw the financial crisis and spoke of it in 2007, and the other is a video about how Trump is perceived by the Russians and Chinese vs. Hillary. They’re not long, and they are not hyperbolic or emotional.

  44. turcopolier says:

    No idea what you are talking about. pl

  45. Washington gossip indicates that HRC enterprises will employ him post January 20th! After all Bill and HRC rose to a suspected net worth of $200M.

  46. Fred says:

    “He is essentially calling one of the branches of government crooked-”
    Isn’t this the same thing the left is doing when the beat the drum about how many black men are in prison?

  47. turcopolier says:

    Almost all of these people are massively driven by ego. Obama believes (probably falsely) that he can control HC as president and supervise her in fulfilling his revolutionary social and foreign policy visions. Bill Clinton has no choice but to stick with her and hope that she can control further investigation of CGI. As president she will, of course, be able to suppress investigations of herself. So, the two of them, remain welded together at the hip until death does them part. I don’t find Johnson/Weld attractive. perhaps it is a matter of style. My preference for Sanders is not ideological. I think he and Jane are decent people if somewhat naïve. DOL. pl

  48. Edward Amame says:

    So many idealists. I liked Occupy and I like a lot of what Sanders says (esp on Israel and income inequality) but he would be decimated by the GOP. It would be easy for them to paint him as a transplanted old school NY commie who would tax the middlde class into oblivion to pay for single payer and free colleges for his Red Guard. I’m a pragmatist. Emails or not, I’m all in for HRC, mainly for what she can do to the Supreme Court, which because of the state of the House of Reps, is where the action will be. I look forward to a new SOTUS revisiting a number of recent decisions. Starting with Citizens United.

  49. ThePanzer says:

    “He bears the cultural imprint of German peasant and Scottish Calvinist grandparents.”
    That sounds like me and about 80% of the enlisted and officer force. Heh. Throw Irish in there and we’re up to 90%.
    I wish Joe Bageant had lived to see this election. It would have blown his mind. Normally east-coast writers can barely keep their disgust for the German/Scots/Irish working backbone of the country from showing through, but Joe always wrote from a place of compassion (and frustration) as that was his heritage and kin, and one he was proud of.

  50. turcopolier says:

    Larry kart
    “why would an out-of-office Obama think that he could control an elected Clinton” IMO we should not forget Obama’s narcissist egotism. IMO she would be uncontrollable by anyone and if unrestrained by GOP control of Congress would act out her fantasies on a grand scale. I can imagine the screaming scenes likely to ensue when she is frustrated. pl

  51. JiuJitsuMMA says:

    I hope Sanders wins. Gallup surveys show Asians prefer Sanders most out of all the candidates (which is why Hawaii which is 50%+ Asian, voted for Sanders) .. Asians voted 80% for Democrats in the general election
    The tracking for Sanders is that he wins the majority of those who are young as well as online.. because you need to be online to find out the awful truth of Hilary’s neocon warmongering polices..
    The demographics of those with lowest online percentage (those over 50, poor, Hispanic, or Black) lean Hilary only because they’ve never heard much about Sanders & don’t know her neocon policies

  52. turcopolier says:

    Hank P
    “I’m not an expert in intelligence or law” I am an expert in intelligence and intelligence law. IMO her behavior has been criminal in the blatant and repeated violations of laws regarding the safeguarding of classified information. I realize that you think that unimportant. pl

  53. turcopolier says:

    Bill Herschel
    Yes, her injuries were severe but she is all better now. Thanks for asking. pl

  54. turcopolier says:

    I have known a lot of buffoons who were good at making money. That skill does not transfer well to other activities. pl

  55. turcopolier says:

    rakesh wahi
    What an arrogant, haughty person you are! I guess we could call this “immigrant superiority syndrome.” pl

  56. rjj says:

    What is the likely outcome if people write in Sanders?

  57. turcopolier says:

    None, but it will make me feel good. pl

  58. LeaNder says:

    Pat, SNL?
    Basically, I have to admit once I dived into American legal reality and whatever came to my mind associatively to the extend one can as outsider, I wondered about American demographic labels, and how they shape perception and/or self-perception.
    If I am not completely wrong, I seem to recall that Hispanics are given two separate choices: black or white.

  59. steve says:

    I would celebrate a Clinton loss far more than mourn a Trump victory. Yet the more I’ve seen of the media bias in favor of Hillary and against Trump (Chris Matthews anyone?) the more I am tempted to vote for Trump.
    When push comes to shove, I anticipate writing in Sanders. A million or so nominally democratic party voters doing that could cost Clinton the electoral votes of a few states, and the election.
    In my dreamworld, the FBI comes to the rescue in the next few weeks.

  60. Fred says:

    ” I don’t think many Americans are aware of the extent of social welfare support and dependency of third-world immigrants. Nor the shocking levels of criminality.”
    I disagree. They’ve just been silenced by the PC crowd over fear of being called racists.

  61. Fred says:

    Yes those of us whose families have been here for generations really have no redeeming values at all unlike those immigrating from the great civilizations. So great that millions leave them annually for ours.

  62. ThePanzer says:

    And CNN is also parroting this line as well. I guess the national media wants us to believe the nomination is over. For CA and NJ there’s conjecture on who this will hurt more for voters who think it’s over and stay home. Sander’s troops may be demoralized and stay home, likewise Clinton supporters may think it’s in the bag and also not show up. Guess we’ll find out in a few hours.
    It would be HILARIOUS if Sanders carries CA due to Hillary bots staying home due to the AP and CNN trying to carry her water and instead shooting her in the face with voter turnout. Probably not enough to save Sanders but the deck’s been stacked against him from the beginning. The DNC didn’t just have their finger on the scales to tip the balance, they dropped an anvil on Hilary’s side.
    After watching the Democratic party’s conduct this election I’m done with them. When the chips are down they’ve shown they’re even more corrupt than the Republicans and have even less regard for the public.
    If Hillary wins she shows every sign of being the Democrat’s George Bush and will likely leave just as much of a leadership vacuum after her inevitable 4 to 8 year implosion. The Democratic party is now for all intents and purposes the Clinton machine. The next president is going to inherent a mess of an economy and a post-WWII status quo that is crumbling at lightning speed. Hillary has promised to double down on exactly the same set of policies that are eroding the status quo and very likely to lead to exacerbate ongoing economic and foreign policy crisis.

  63. LeaNder says:

    Thanks Alexey, I was pretty surprised when someone alluded to Russian post revolution realities on an academic list I followed. It was a highly helpful point on the issue discussed at the time. For me a much helpful complicating matter in the debate context.
    Mind you, I looked a bit into the development of “racial studies” and their history in the US, but on a pretty limited basis, admittedly. …

  64. turcopolier says:

    You have never heard of “Saturday Night Live?” This is a TV show that has been a feature of US life for thirty-five years and is famous for its sarcastic political satire. would it really have been too difficult for you to type “SNL” into the search box on Wikipedia? “Black or white?” What on earth are you talking about, the census? Once gain, Mexicans are not a “race,” “Americans are not a “race.” these are natonalities. pl

  65. Hood Canal Gardner says:

    rjj said…
    What is the likely outcome if people write in Sanders?
    Reply 07 June 2016 at 10:31 AM
    turcopolier said…
    None, but it will make me feel good. pl
    Me too.

  66. LeaNder says:

    Maybe whoever led me into the larger social entertainment context of Shakespeare’s Globe may have mentioned “foreigners”, but strictly I doubt it would have escaped my attention.
    On whom are you relying here, Bill?
    And now I have to reflect to what extend they may have surfaced in Shakespeare’s plays. 😉

  67. Larry Kart says:

    OK, Trump is not a racist, and understandable though the temptation is, it’s foolish/deeply unwise for the Democrats to try to stick that label on him. Instead, Trump is a Tasmanian Devil-style playground bully writ large, and as in this particular instance (and as he has done many times before), he will grab any weapon, throw any stone, clod of dirt, etc. that comes to hand, the goal of course being to get his way by intimidation and inflicting injuries. For example, this from Joshua Micah Marshall’s site Talking Points (yes, Marshall is a liberal, but IMO a very sober, honest man):
    “As I’ve learned more about Trump’s business history it has reminded me of this description we got months ago from another New York real estate professional about Trump’s MO …
    ‘There is a personality type with a New York developer, one Donald learned from Fred when he carried his dad’s briefcase to acquisition meetings out in the boroughs and it goes like this:
    Donald contracts for a service or good, or the acquisition of a piece of land for $1 million.
    He then does not pay you
    You ask Donald for your million dollars
    Donald yells at you, basely, abusively, wholly out of character to the rich gentleman you broke bread with and made the deal with. He tells you that no, YOU owe him $200,000. Gives you no reason but screams how can you be such a son of a bitch to rip him off, how he’s going to sue you, expose you as a cheat, etc.
    You’re off your pins, defensive. How could this be the guy who was so nice when he picked up the check at Per Se?
    So, you compromise, because human nature avoids conflict, right? This is what he’s gaming you for because once you compromised, you’ve lost. You’ve inferred his premise that you have some complicity in the matter otherwise why would you compromise? You are on the defensive and will never get it back.
    You offer $750,000 as a settlement, angry but want it over and done with. He then sues you. Why, because you’ve already committed yourself to the loss. You volunteered to surrender your position and what will stop you from keeping going?
    I’ve seen many a New Yorker settle things like this with Trump people for 5-10 cents on the dollar and then happy, even eager to keep doing business with them. Why? Because he got in their heads with this aggressively counterintuitive behavior.’”
    P.S. You agree with me that an out-of-office Obama could not dream of controlling Clinton? Is he then so stupid and/or narcissistic that he doesn’t know this? And, again, even if he could control Clinton down the road, to what end? Seems to me that the key and perhaps only goal of the post-presidential Obama, as my son’s generation would say, is more or less to “chill.” See the post-Prime Minister career of the not un-Obama-like Tony Blair for an example of same. They who lived by smoke and mirrors and “imagery,” when they are out of office and lack its leverage, more or less become like reverse “Wizard of Oz” characters — e.g. the insides of the formerly (in the eyes of many) humanoid scarecrow are revealed to be all straw, the Tin Woodman is immobilized by rust, and the Cowardly Lion is just that.

  68. LeaNder says:

    Ooops, well obviously I know Saturday Night Live as “necessary institution”* for decades. Not too good in acronyms though, as you may have realized.
    * my personal take on matters.

  69. Walter Jeffers says:

    “Herr Drumpf” Wow. Clever and original.
    In the 90’s the Clinton administration relentless attacked Ken Star when he was Special Prosecutor, but I suppose that was different.

  70. LeaNder says:

    Is there still a chance in spite of the superdelegates?
    Haven’t looked into matters recently.
    But apart from that, yes, it feels the “Digital Divide” may matter.

  71. Stephanie says:

    Nothing depends on how our California votes, I’m sorry to say, at least as far as presidential politics is concerned. Sanders has already lost and it’s now just a question of whether he chooses to rejoin the reality-based community or continues to blow what remains of his donors’ money on pointless costly media buys. Clinton will probably have to bail him out of campaign debt with her ill-gotten gains, just as Obama had to do for her. I speak with some feeling about this since I was one of those donors early on, before he went off the rails.

  72. Jackrabbit says:

    1) Your write-in vote would not count.
    11 states outlaw don’t accept write-in votes and 32 states require that the candidate has registered as a write-in beforehand (including your state of Virginia) (ht jfl
    Why not vote for the GREEN PARTY? Their position are closest to Bernie’s and if others like yourself voted GREEN, they could become a viable opposition.
    2) Does Sanders deserve your vote?
    Sanders entered the race saying that he merely wanted to raise “issues” and has repeatedly vowed to support the democratic nominee (expected to be Hillary). Savvy Democratic Party watchers who saw “the writing on the wall called Sanders – a career politician who is close to the Party leadership – a ‘sheepdog’:
    Throughout his campaign, Sanders pulled punches. It seems that he has agreed not to criticize Hillary or Obama. Thus he essentially conceded the black/latino/women vote to Hillary. He complains about Hillary’s judgment but has little to say about her defense of her ‘judgment calls’ because he won’t criticize her character. His fiestiness, like criticizing of DNC-Hillary collusion came weeks too late. His hope for pulling Super-delegates from Hillary is so deluded that it can be nothing but a pretense to keep his young followers engaged.
    Some might say that Sanders is betting on a Hillary indictment. I think that the Hillary-Obama establishment will ensure that an alternate candidate (rumor: Biden-Warren) takes Hilary’s place if that looks likely (Obama’s DOJ will delay).
    Sanders only real chance to change the Democratic Party was to win a majority of pledged delegates so that the Super-delegates would have to overturn voter choice in order to nominate Hillary. He had a golden opportunity to attack Hillary after the State Dept IG Report but he wouldn’t!!
    3) Trump has shown a great deal of political savvy.
    His buffoonery and ego are drawbacks but effective – and who else would run? His foreign policy positions have been praised by realists.
    Trump said that he wouldn’t run as an independent if her was “treated fairly”. Many would say that Sanders has not been treated fairly but I doubt he will run as an independent.
    I think that many Sanders supporters and independents won’t vote for Hillary but don’t care much for Trump. But, the better choice is to vote GREEN PARTY rather than waste your vote by writing-in Sanders.

  73. eakens says:

    Trump believes heritage may make somebody impartial, and the media is going berserk. No surprise, since that same logic, if it takes hold, would have a profound on US policy towards Israel.

  74. Valissa says:

    Another option is to vote for any 3rd party candidates that show up on the ballot.

  75. kao_hsien_chih says:

    I suspect that this is a subtle problem in linguistic contexts.
    In most English usage, “race” carries a very specific “biological” context that cannot be (easily) created or changed–a Polish Mexican is still white by race, even after generations of acculturation, for example (I am thinking of some very specific people I know–who are very Mexican culturally, but still look very Central European.)
    I’ve noticed that “race” (or its equivalents) carries much more flexible connotations in other languages, though–including the way Spanish uses the term “la raza,” which, as far as I can tell, is an ethnic-social-cultural grouping as much as strictly biological grouping. So the above-mentioned Polish-Mexican could very easily be part of the Mexican “raza,” even if not Mexican “race”–because, in English usage, there is no such thing as Mexican “race.”
    The introduction of “Hisapnic” as a pseudo-racial category in US jumbles all these, unfortunately. (I say pseudo because, according to the way US census bureau classifies “race,” the traditional English usage is retained–there is no such thing as a Hispanic “race.” People may belong to Hispanic “ethnicity,” but are black, white, Asian, etc…although that in turn raises further questions that had been inadequately dealt with: people from Indian subcontinent are “white” by race, even if South Asian ethnoculturally…but I digress) According to this definition, blonde Argentine model Luisana Lopilato, dark-skinned Dominican ex-baseball player Pedro Martinez, and Japanese-Peruvian politician Alberto Fujimori all belong to the same “race”? Spanish language and culture does bring them all into a certain sense of community, but then, English language, American nationality, and Catholic faith bring, say, myself, a son of East Asian immigrants, and our host probably place us in a “community” that is at least as strong.

  76. rjj says:

    I mean doesn’t voting for Sanders improve Clinton’s chance of being elected?

  77. rjj says:

    How would that (Clinton’s election) be a feel-good experience?

  78. LeaNder says:

    I wouldn’t expect the FBI coming in as angle force, steve, either. Not least since there is some type of national interest connected to matters.
    Strictly, the larger surveillance state issue may find us in paradoxical fix occastionally. We do not like to be surveilled, but in other cases we realize it could provide some type of ideal solution to matters, or our desire to understand. 😉
    No doubt hard times ahead for voters. On the other hand over here hard times for voters too, the center, comparable to your two parties, may not hold in Third Way* times. …. (Without intention of any type of historical parallel in vaguely alluding to a poem – on the other hand maybe?)
    * Blair

  79. turcopolier says:

    this Clinton e-mail ting has nothing to do with the surveillance state. Clinton voluntarily as a pre-condition of her position as SECTATE signed legal papers agreeing to certain conditions with regard to classified information and its protection. She broke the oaths involved in that and should be punished for it. These are felony crimes. she will get away with it because Obama wants here as his successor and has the power to suppress prosecution. pl

  80. turcopolier says:

    she is going to win because Trump is an even worse candidate than she is. At least voting for Sanders will make me feel better than not making any show of resistance. pl

  81. turcopolier says:

    No. She is going to win no matter what I do. pl

  82. Kooshy says:

    For Clinton and the party chance of loosing California to Bernie, was damaging and embarrassing. By declaring the night before the primery she has already won the nomination, if she looses they can say since she has won the nomination her voters didn’t find necessary to show up, it may depress the Bernie voters enthusiasm to show up to vote. It is win win for her, I guess at the end since Bernie wouldn’t go away she did to Bernie what she did to Moamar.

  83. Edward Amame says:

    His father was the successful developer. Donald has had a very checkered career here in real estate — he’s certainly not in the pantheon of NY developer moguls. In fact, he hasn’t built anything I can think of in 20 years. Trump’s better at marketing and putting his name on buildings, universities and steaks. In the future, though, his daughter and son-in-law will be forces to contend with.

  84. turcopolier says:

    Yes, I know they won’t count it. I don’t care. BTW in local elections here in Virginia they DO count write-in votes. In the recent mayoral election the incumbent ran as a write-in candidate, having lost the party primary. He lost. pl

  85. LeaNder says:

    That’s funny, Nana, appreciated. 😉

  86. Will Reks says:

    The interesting thing to me is that other Republicans are also sticking the “racist” label on Trump. It seems their political calculation is that doing so can allow them to create some distance between him and vulnerable GOP politicians in order to retain control of the Senate.

  87. Yellow Dog says:

    Didn’t the hacked electronic sign in Dallas name him “a shape-shifting inside a lizard”?

  88. Laura says:


  89. rjj says:

    The Dems have made Trump look good. Will vote accordingly.

  90. Laura says:

    GlennY…you do know that welfare recipients are 40% white, right? So much of what we think we know is not, in fact, true. Also, the vast majority of white collar crime (you know, the crime that costs every employee and taxpayer in the United States LOTS of $$$ and lost opportunity) is committed by whites.
    The last recession…remember 2008? I think you need to look at the entire picture of crime and dependency in the US. Trump will not be addressing it.

  91. jld says:

    As a very, very special exception I support Leander against acronymania which seems an especially prevalent disease with Americans:

    What does SNL stand for?
    Our ‘Attic’ has 75 unverified meanings for SNL

  92. Allen Thomson says:

    > They would be gone tomorrow if the laws were enforced. Double standard.
    Indeed so. Probably not for the first time, I recommend looking into the history of the Legal Arizona Workers Act, which was supposed to impose a “business death penalty” (license revocation) on businesses that persisted in hiring illegals. The amicus briefs filed with the SCOTUS when the law was challenged and especially the subsequent record of non-enforcement are enlightening.

  93. rjj says:

    A year ago would have said it is impossible to make Trump look good.

  94. turcopolier says:

    rakesh wahi
    Which “race” do you belong to? How about you, Laura? I am something less than 1% North African somewhere way back there. What “race” does that make me? SWMBO is so white by DNA tests that you could go snow blind looking at her. So, I guess she belongs to the white “race.” My ancestors started arriving in North America in 1617 and the last showed up from LeaNder’s vaterland in 1848. So, I must be rather indifferent to American ideals. Been there, done that for nine generations. pl

  95. turcopolier says:

    Ah, you don’t know what SNL stands for. What continent do you live on? pl

  96. turcopolier says:

    “you do know that welfare recipients are 40% white” That means that 60% are not white. pl

  97. Thomas says:

    “As was said many years ago by a particular female in France — or by someone — about the “little people”: Let them eat cake.”
    And that ended so well for them!
    Who could have foreseen the “peasants” turning their plowshare into a guillotine?

  98. Tidewater says:

    Tidewater to Bill Herschel,
    I don’t claim much knowledge of French history, but there is a marvellous statue of King Henry IV on the Pont Neuf. I think Fred will have walked by it this past trip, which he has just so deftly and wittily told us about. In Shakespeare’s time the issue in London was not that of “imported cheap labor” I don’t think, in the way that Mexicans and Hispanics have been in the US particularly since the end of the Vietnam war. So I disagree with the analogy.
    The tension in London was caused by the French Wars of Religion. In August 1572 the leaders of the French Protestant Huguenots gathered in Paris for the wedding of a man we would now consider to be a Spanish king, Henry III of Navarre (Pamplona), into the royal family of France. This had caused a crisis, since Henry of Navarre had been raised by his mother as a Protestant. Paris was, of course, violently Roman Catholic, as was most of France, not that France was then a unified or even a French-speaking country. (France learned the French language in the trenches of WWI.) There was shock and concern about this wedding, because it meant that Henry of Navarre could , through Salic law–he was a Prince of the Blood, a cousin of the Royals– become King of France. Some six days after the marriage at Notre Dame there was a great uprising in Paris and in other parts of France. This came to be known as the St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. This uprising was an attempt instigated by the French court and the former regent, Catherine d’Medici, to decapitate the Protestant leadership. It nearly worked. However, Henry of Navarre ultimately escaped, fought on as a Protestant leader, and then upon the murder of Catherine’s son Henry III of France, under Salic law, as had been feared, Henry of Navarre did, in fact, succeed to the French throne. He was very politically savvy, and immediately converted to Roman Catholicism. To this day the French love him as “Good King Henry.” He is also the first Bourbon King. He is the one French King about whom I think an American student ought to read a biography. I confess that I have not. But I have stayed at the wonderful, old-fashioned French pension/hotel The Enri Quatre on the delightful and somewhat hidden Place Dauphine, which can be located by orienting oneself at the statue.
    Henry of Navarre, now become Henry Quatre, did many good and sensible, pragmatic things. He brought to an end this most violent period of French history. He also brought the Edict of Nantes into law, which allowed a certain amount of toleration of Protestants. This worked well until Louis Fourteenth abrogated it.
    During Shakespeare’s time there were thousands of Huguenot refugees in London from this earlier Final Solution. The implications of the St. Barotholomew’s Day Massacre were simply enormous in Protestant England. One thing that a few years back that I noticed at Canterbury Cathedral that finally hit home, is that there is a Huguenot Chapel there. I don’t know if services are to this day held in French or not. There is strong influence of French Protestantism at Canterbury Cathedral. Huguenots are honored and remembered.
    But for Virginians and South Carolinians, the persecution of French Huguenots which began after Louis Fourteenth abrogated the Edict of Nantes had tremendous results. Certainly by 1700 Huguenot settlers came to Richmond and moved west up the James River beyond the fall line. Amusingly, there is a Dover and a Calais on the north and south sides of the James. (Also, oddly, a Bendover, for some reason.)
    Anyone travelling down the ICW knows that after you leave Winyah Bay at Georgetown, S.C., and go through the Estherville-Minim Creek Canal, you will come out into a vast region of salt marsh and islands. This is French Santee, named for one of the branches of the river.
    It came to me only long after I was out of school that you simply cannot understand southern history without understanding the French Huguenots. In Richmond they are almost invisible at this point, I might add, many of the names anglicized, and much intermarriage, a people, as also in South Carolina, who have been very well established, if you will, for centuries. It is an amazing story.

  99. optimax says:

    I wondered why Trump did not let the lawyers quietly handle with appeals his Trump University fraud case, but after reading about the OODA loop (thanks to Tidewater mentioning it), I realized Trump is deflecting attention away from the MSM focusing on the legal aspects by confusing the enemy (MSM) and is taking control of the direction of the dialogue. Something he does all the time. He is always turning against them the liberals charge they use all the time that white supremacy is the root of minority problems. Common memes heard frequently are minorities are more harshly punished in courts and schools because the judges and teachers “do not look like them.” Liberals can make these charges all the time without serious debate because of the false belief only whites can be racist.

  100. turcopolier says:

    IMO he does not think he could force a recusal. pl

  101. Yellow Dog says:

    “Shape-shifting lizard”. No “inside”.

  102. kao_hsien_chih says:

    Larry Kart,
    I think that is a pretty good description of Trump. The problem with him is not that he is a racist or a misogynist, but someone who plays fast and loose with the specifics, someone who would hoodwink you with a mixture of technicalities and bullying–or, in other words, whom you can’t really trust. He is, I think, a much more brilliant figure than most other politicians: he saw an opportunity, in the form of many Americans who feel disenfranchised and/or underserved by the political status quo who were looking for a change, but then so did Barak Obama and Bernie Sanders. I could not bring myself to trust the other Hope-and-Change politician, Barack Obama. The bombastic style that Trump brings, at least to me, makes me even more distrustful–so if Barack Obama’s shtick was, “Trust me. I am a condescending academic know-it-all,” is Trump’s shtick “Trust me. I am a rich as**ole who doesn’t give a da**?” That these fellows should seem better than conventional politicians is disturbing, even more so that there are good reasons that they are more trustworthy.

  103. MRW says:

    not that France was then a unified or even a French-speaking country. (France learned the French language in the trenches of WWI.)
    You got a link to more about this? Fascinating comment.

  104. kooshy says:

    Colonel, unfortunately I think, she will probably win the general election. With the force her campaign came out yesterday to declare her the nominee, and walk all over Bernie , this I have never seen in my 40 years fallowing US elections. They have the entire Borg full force behind them. they just got rid of Bernie, now they can concentrate on Trump, they are going to pull out and demonize him at every spot and dent they find till everybody is sick of hearing it.

  105. LeaNder says:

    rw, ever taken a racial bias or implicit association test?
    We are all biased one way or another. Beyond from the top of my head: some type of ‘anti’ versus ‘anti-anti’ problematic … or for that matter easily seeing bias only in others.
    I looked up your references above. In combination they lead me to one entry only. Anne Coulter on FrontPageMag. No big surprise there. By the way, for arguments sake for her the supposed rapers are still guilty as of March 2016.
    Ann Coulter also advises to go more easy on Hilary’s email issue, since she is the best chance to win the election for Trump. Sanders may well be more difficult. … But yes, given super-delegates his chances seem slim. But then, great he hasn’t given up yet.

  106. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Thank you for pointing out a single consequent instance of the Catholic-Protestant War as far as England was concerned and later in US.
    I think that is how one could think about the situation in Near East effecting Arabs, Pakistanis, and Afghans as Shia communities separate themselves from their Sunni neighbors under the pressure of war and revolution and terrorism.
    I do feel sorry for Arabs & other non-Seljuk people who, in this manner, will have cut themselves off from the central states of their civilization & culture. But such is life; I wish them well in their Pure Islam Fantasy.

  107. Babak Makkinejad says:

    They are mixing ethno-linguistic, ethno-religious, and ethno-racial categories.
    They have to do it lest they fall into “racism” or “racialism”; like this Euro-American woman who was asking me if I were an “Asiatic”.
    Rectification of Names is what is needed.

  108. Jack says:

    “Sanders has already lost and it’s now just a question of whether he chooses to rejoin the reality-based community..”
    Yes, indeed! Which could very well mean contesting the nomination at the convention or insuring rule and platform changes at the convention or endorsing the Green party candidate. Or going along to get along and endorsing Hillary. It would be interesting to see if he asks those that voted for him during the primary how he should rejoin the “reality-based community “, how many would support endorse and campaign for the Clinton twofer.
    Everyone knows that Sanders has been under a lot of pressure for sometime from the Democrat establishment to drop out and let Hill be crowned. But even considering as you say he has lost, there’s some reason why so many of my friends, family and neighbors are so passionate about him that even those that have never been politically active have been so engaged and active as never before. My feeling is that among this rather small sampling only a third will vote for Hill in November. Of course California will elect anyone with DEM next to their name so it will not matter.

  109. Jack says:

    Sorry. My previous post was addressed to Stephanie.

  110. Jack says:

    The duopoly makes sure that it is difficult to vote for the candidate that you believe in. They want to ensure that your only choice is Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum.
    Many states like yours do not permit write-in candidates. Others require registration by such candidates. All designed that our choice is limited to those approved by the Borg. Occasionally, a candidate like Trump slips through but that is so very rare. So, every attempt will be made to fear him completely by scaremongering.

  111. Jack says:

    This “racism” gambit is just another campaign by the Borg to scare people. This is all part and parcel of PCness gone amok and in reality to suppress speech. Even the Borgist publication The Economist is noting it.

  112. Mark Logan says:

    Larry Kart,
    I would add my perspective, that of a very, very small fry “developer” a part of the construction business I only had to dabble in due to the collapse in 08.
    A Trump is a front-man for the banks. It is they who pull the trigger on the big stuff. However the only bankers whose careers are advanced by getting their name in the news are the guys right at the top. They only want the money, and fame is an unnecessary risk. Trump is nearly perfect, he insists on getting 100% of the press. At no time on any of his stinkers has he pointed to a bank and whined about them screwing him that I am aware of, and I doubt we would be aware of him at all if he had done that.
    Marshall is accurately describing how Trump behaves at the carcass of a bad one, I’m willing to bet. That’s a gathering of vultures. However Marshall is wrong to suggest that Trump never pays or always stiffs his creditors. Not paying contractors and subs in his neck of the woods is a very risky thing to do and he seldom does that in a good project. He also pays the banks when a project goes well. This is why he is still around. Those are two groups of folks you never stiff unless the project is in bankruptcy and they expect to be stiffed. When the banks are still funding things they dole out the money month by month to their front man and keep a very sharp eye out for their front man failing to pay workers. They are acutely aware their front man may decide to chump them at any moment.
    I point to the banks continuing to lend him money for new projects after some of his failures as evidence. Whatever his considerable flaws he is a competent developer. Not the greatest batting average in the line up but he swings for the fences…

  113. LondonBob says:

    Not my country, not my war but I thought McCain’s time in and after Vietnam was a matter of some controversy. I seem to remember Trump tweeted the Vietnam Vets against McCain video and I did read Ron Unz’s column on his war record.
    Of course regardless of his past his record as a neocon poster boy and perpetual warmonger is enough for me to loathe the man and I am pleased to see he might well lose his Senate seat in the Primary to Kelli Ward.

  114. Fred says:

    There is indeed. There is also a charming little boutique hotel on Rue Bernadins next to the Square Paul Langevin.
    I believe it was Henry IV who said “France is worth a mass.”? Thank’s for bring up the history, it is something that should not be forgotten in these times.

  115. jerseycityjoan says:

    Assuming that you are correct and that 40% of government assistance goes to white people, how does that make what GlennY says about immigrant use of government assistance incorrect or invalid?
    When so many recent immigrants are high school graduates or less and are low wage earners, it’s to be expected that they, like others who are low wage earners in this country, depend on various government assistance programs to stay afloat.
    I am disgusted by the immoral, uncaring and criminal behavior of white elites too. However, I count the deliberate mass importation of foreign workers into the US to suppress American wages and to replace American workers among their sins. Do not think my attitude is based on my being conservative or a Republican. I am neither.

  116. jerseycityjoan says:

    There are a lot of incentives for people to identify with a minority group.
    I wonder what everybody else will do when non-Hispanic whites in this country are less than 50% of the population and start forming their own groups and claim “minority status” too.
    When there’s no majority group, then what?
    Between our rapidly increasing population, the shifting of income and assets from the many to the few and the demographic changes taking place, how are we going to come to a consensus in the future about anything?
    Lots more people fighting over maintaining what they have in endless battles, lots more people having far less than they’d hoped when they came to America or that their American ancestors had.
    When I imagine America’s future I assume it will be a dystopic mess resulting from changes that began in my lifetime.

  117. turcopolier says:

    You are incorrect about write-ins in Virginia. A candidate must file a statement of intent to participate with the Secretary of State in Richmond. That is all that is necessary. pl

  118. kao_hsien_chih says:

    I think the French language became nationalized some time before World War I: creating a clearly defined French “nation” was the big drive of the French state throughout 19th century. Perhaps it was finalized in the trenches, but linguistic unity, I think, came some decades before…

  119. Jackrabbit says:

    Its just a difference in terms. “Statement of Intent” is a “Registration” sorts.
    The point is, unless a document has been filed with the state beforehand (and there are deadlines for doing so) votes for a write-in candidate will be considered defacing the ballot.
    If you vote “Bernie Sanders” everyone will know who that is BUT it will not mean ANYTHING AT ALL unless Bernie filed a “Statement of Intent” with the State of Virginia.
    No one can file that for him.

  120. turcopolier says:

    Thanks for telling me. I called the local Bernie people and they are filing. pl

  121. Mongoose says:

    Read Eugen Weber’s “Peasants into Frenchmen” for starters. Weber argues that the 2nd half of the 19th century is when France became French. Local patois was gradually replaced via the railroads and the markets thus created, nationalization of education, and service in the military. Excellent piece of scholarship.

  122. LeaNder says:

    “SECTATE signed legal papers agreeing to certain conditions with regard to classified information and its protection”
    That no doubt would sent a strong signal to everyone concerned. Unfortunately on that social layer it also feels very, very unlikely.
    Concerning surveillance state, nosy nitwit me, had “private mails” in mind as far as both interior and exterior interests are concerned.
    Sorry for the distraction.

  123. turcopolier says:

    “SECTATE signed legal papers agreeing to certain conditions with regard to classified information and its protection” That no doubt would sent a strong signal to everyone concerned” Are you not a German? Do you not remember what happens when people stop obeying the law?” pl

  124. kao_hsien_chih says:

    Will R.,
    I suspect that is very likely. That Trump is a deceitful huckster who preys on the weak and gullible is probably his greatest weakness. That he might be racist or bigot is not–Whether it is true or not, many people already believe he is. As there are plenty of casual evidence that he is, at minimum, callously insensitive, no one is going to be impressed by another round of recriminations of this sort, however loud. Republicans won’t be getting most of Hispanic votes, with or without Trump–but a sizable minority of Hispanics (perhaps 15-25% of the Hispanic electorate) that don’t care much about immigration and ethnic issues will be voting Republican no matter what.
    On the other hand, the possibility that Trump might be a fraudulent economic predator is an altogether different problem that could really hurt. Trump’s selling point is that he is, in effect, a “reformed” rich as**ole who will help protect the weak and the underserved. Stories like Trump University lawsuit or how Trump used eminent domain to evict little old ladies will bite more than accusations of racism.

  125. Tidewater says:

    Tidewater to MRW,
    Mongoose nailed it. My source on that was indeed Eugen Weber.

  126. Fred says:

    Looks like everything is covered up until after the coronation:
    If they don’t have to follow the law why should anyone?

  127. Swampy says:

    The reality of your fantasies might change your mind. Do we really need another East Coast Prosecutor from an Elite Ivy League school on SCOTUS? Especially after seeing the content and purpose of the current students protests at those institutions last fall.

  128. jld says:

    No, I did now what SNL stand for, if only to have read several pieces refering to it on SST.
    What I object on principle is the abuse of acronyms, they seem “familiar” to the people acquainted with them but they are a hindrance to proper discourse.

  129. LeaNder says:

    kao, I didn’t make myself clear above, quite the opposite. And in a way I did not really respond to Alexey, but followed a vague associative line on my head. Which may make it cryptic.
    Only got a glimpse of it anyway in a specific debate. In the late 19th century, religion and language seem to have been identity markers in Russia. Maybe the origin of a difference between citizenship and “nationality/ethnicity”. A difference between people of the Russian empire and ethnic Russians. How did the Romans handle matters? Similarly?
    I find the second paragraph funny:
    To not enter a too complicated circle dance around discussions inner drive or outer force, or staying apart/living together. This happened to others.:
    Besides I enjoyed your comment. As you surely realize “race” is a heavily loaded term in my country. …
    Seems Erdogan still believes in something comparable to biological race. Along familiar single versus dual loyalty lines. No? ‘rectify names’? Turkish identity. Not so sure. ‘Mixed race’, maybe? from a nurture versus/and nature perspective:
    “German members of parliament Özan Mutlu (Greens), Mahmut Özdemir (SPD), and Cemile Giousouf (CDU) have now had their Turkish identity called into question by Erdogan, who strictly rejects the crime being classified as genocide. Erdogan has now called for them to take a “blood test”, saying their Turkish identity should be checked as “their blood is impure”. Many of the MPs have also received death threats.”

  130. jonst says:

    My take is, if you think ‘birtherism’ was “pure” ANYTHING….you fail to understand the complexity of the US political ‘game’, and perhaps, fail to appreciate the complexity of life itself.

  131. jonst says:

    “Expected” by whom? Surely not the worshipers, mean that literally, of, so called, “progressive multiculturalism’?

  132. turcopolier says:

    This is n American blog. You will have to put up with our diseases. The language on SST will remain something that Americans are comfortable with. pl

  133. steve says:

    Not sure I understand your reference to a “reality based community”, but if it includes Hillary’s regime change, corporate financed campaigns, and the stench of the Clinton Foundation, no thanks.
    You have inspired me to donate another few dollars to Sanders.

  134. rjj says:

    @Mark Logan 07 June 2016 at 05:00 PM
    your description of Trump corresponds roughly to my guess-based version of Trump:
    1. fixers and finance guys do Trump’s heavy lifting.
    2. Trump is a DBA brand. [this is a question]
    3. in his neighborhood there are rules – not quite the same as principle but better than nothing.
    4. he is NOT a hothouse flower – even if he only plays a mogul on TeeVee.
    5. the borg is not monolithic.
    What is the worst he and his familiars are likely to do? Who can say?
    What is the worst she could be pressured to do? More of same.
    Chancing it with “Who can say?” seems preferable to “More of same.” Why? Tychophants (devotees and practitioners of the goddess of Chance) experience outcomes. Think tankers revise realities.

  135. Edward Amame says:

    What fantasies? I have no idea who a President Clinton would select and neither do you. What is absolutely certain is that either Clinton or Sanders will change the tilt of the court away from the remaining hard-core GOP corporatists who’ve been so busy denying the legal rights of workers, consumers, voters, and anybody else who dares to challenge the power of the big biz elites who reign over us.

  136. shepherd says:

    I’m sorry, but attacking someone based on national origin is, as Paul Ryan puts it, the textbook definition of racism. One such textbook is the UN International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination, which prominently mentions discrimination against national origin. If that doesn’t work for you, Federal hate crime statues include national origin as well. The EEO also specifically prohibits discrimination by national origin, mentioning Mexicans by name. This is a commonly accepted definition that gets around the otherwise thorny problem Col. Lang brings up.

  137. turcopolier says:

    “attacking someone based on national origin is, as Paul Ryan puts it, the textbook definition of racism” That is just silly and nonsensical. So, if I don’t like someone because they are of English origin that is racism. That is the definition of PC BS run riot. pl

  138. Fred says:

    “Black Lives Matter”. Saying “All” got Hilary and everyone else shouted down by BLM. Their conduct is of course not racist at all.

  139. shepherd says:

    Col Lang.
    Personally, I don’t like to call people racists under almost any circumstance. I don’t see how the US criminal code (which, to be fair, defines hate crimes, not racism) is PC. The UN declaration, which was made before PC was a glimmer in any leftist’s eye, expressly defines it as a form of racial discrimination. That’s what I think Ryan meant by “textbook definition,” i.e. “what you’d find in a textbook.” You can always find absurdities around any definition.

  140. shepherd says:

    I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think the protesters at Trump and other political rallies are deplorable.

  141. turcopolier says:

    IMO the whole concept of “hate crimes” is PC nonsense. there were already laws on the books punishing these crimes. The UN? For god’s sake the UN has always been full of dictators with no respect fpor human rights or law. . I’ll bet that Saudi Arabia and the USSR voted for that. Ryan? You don’t give a damn about Ryan and his “thoughts.” Did you vote for him and Romney? This is just another way to thump Trump so that your heroine, the Khalisi will be enthroned. pl

  142. Fred says:

    of course not. I would point out that BLM is, by its conduct, a group that is intolerant of white, hispanic or asian Americans but that does not match the narrative even if thier conduct does meet the definition of “intolerance” defined in article 1 of the “international convention” you linked to.

  143. Fred says:

    “… your heroine, the Khalisi will be enthroned. ”
    That is a powerful image. The great white woman savior with her army of eunuchs out the free the slaves.

  144. turcopolier says:

    You forgot the dragons. pl

  145. Fred says:

    Well she does have feminists, do they count?

  146. rjj says:

    would these count as dragons? (don’t know from GoT – thought it was a game)

  147. rjj says:

    shuddering at the prospects of policy maenads (in warrior princess drag) – Nuland, Flournoy, Power?? et al. Need some rhetorical packaging to pass off gynophobia and the m- word as focused misanthropy.

  148. Stephanie says:

    It’s your money. You can send it to Sanders or you could also do something of equal practical use with it like set it on fire. I’d say different if he were using his millions to help downticket members of his party, which will be important this year. But he’s done very little of that.
    (Noting for the record that I like some aspects of HRC’s record no more than you do.)

  149. Stephanie says:

    “Contesting” at the convention….there’s nothing to contest. Any real chance of winning went out the window for Sanders in mid-March and HRC’s victories in the mid-Atlantic states nailed his coffin. He has had no real numerical shot at the nomination for some time, regardless of the misinformation he’s been feeding his fans. He’s already been allowed to load the platform committee with a large minority of his own choice, which is unprecedented.
    I agree with you that some Sanders supporters will never vote for HRC, but a subset of irreconciliables were never going to vote for her in the first place, so it’s a wash.

  150. kao_hsien_chih says:

    “Race” is a loaded term in my ancestral country, too. South Koreans are always surprised when citizens of other countries who are of Korean descent don’t think like they do. This has led a peculiar backlash since, after South Korea normalized relations with PRC, the country has been flooded by many Chinese citizens of Korean ancestry who are, as I mentioned some time before, very loyal Chinese even if they speak perfect Korean and know the cultural niceties. Apparently, South Koreans don’t get how this could possibly be. But then, people who were more Korean than Chinese in their attitudes (like my grandparents) left long ago, back in 1945-6.
    On the other hand, one interesting (and highly annoying) consequence of multiculturalist political correctness in United States is that people expect “minority” Americans to act like how they imagine “your people” should behave–been on the wrong end of it far too many times, and insulting on two dimensions: first, what they imagine “your people” should behave is often wrong in the first place, when it comes to the actual ethnic group is concerned; and more important, why the heck should I act like a member of ethnic group X?
    With regards the Turkish-Germans, I’d imagine that a large proportion of them are in fact, “Turkish” more than German–I’d imagine Erdogan is not entirely groundless thinking what he is. I don’t think German lawmakers of Turkish ethnicity, though, to be like the average Turkish-German, though, in terms of their “Turkishness.”

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