HC and Mark Shields on the Newshour – 8 July 2016


HC was on the Newshour last night so that an adoring Judy Woodruff could give her a chance to pontificate.   HC looked really bad.  She looked as though a combination of exhaustion and over-medication had turned her into one of the walking dead.  The dead pan recitation of left wing talking points in a monotone was not inspiring.  In her responses to Woodruff's softballs, she served up responses obviously intended to soothe and re-assure all the elements of the present Democratic Party base; Blacks, unmarried educated women, Latinos, sexually heterodox people, Borgists, other fellow neocons of the National Review variety now defected to the Democratic base.   Even Judy looked disappointed.  And then the dynamic duo of Brooks and Shields appeared …  They danced around for a while until the subject of Clinton's immediate previous interview came up.  And then …  And then … Mark Shields the ultimate liberal Democratic Party loyalist said that he was amazed by Clinton's response to Woodruff's question concerning whether or not Comey's testimony and TV statements had been damaging.  Her response had been that she had done nothing wrong and that Comey had exonerated her.  Shield's amazement was appropriate.  Comey did not exonerate her.  He said he did not have enough evidence to successfully prosecute her.  pl 





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67 Responses to HC and Mark Shields on the Newshour – 8 July 2016

  1. BabelFish says:

    Bernie may have taken more out of her than anyone suspected. IMO, she believed she had created the perfect cakewalk season for the nomination. I have to believe she and her cohorts of DWS wannabies are still trying to figure out which truck Bernie was driving as it ran over her during the primaries.
    Can she finally be getting the message that a lot of voters in the Democratic cohort truly detest her? Are the Dems finally realizing that getting her in the White House without winning the senate will be yet another Pyrrhic victory? Her hell will not go away anytime soon.

  2. Fred says:

    “Hilary Clinton calls for … national use of force standards” So a federalized “common core” standard for policing. The democratic party will throw in allot of money with the controls to follow just like they have with schools and colleges. What’s not to like? On the matter of integrity both Brooks and Shields were rather shocked that Hilary is 4 points ahead in the national polls. That’s the margin of error. I don’t see this boding well for the democrats in November.

  3. Croesus says:

    strictly intuitive based on the look on HRC’s face in the opening shot– is something not quite right with HRC’s new grandchild?
    My impression was she was not thinking about/worrying about politics in those first few seconds, she was worrying about something personal and sad.

  4. ToivoS says:

    Left and right wing tags are a crude way of characterizing political positions but to call HC leftwing just doesn’t make any sense. Her positions are so center right to make Richard Nixon look like a liberal. Her foreign policy is neocon. Her positions on trade and finance are corporatist. Her general economic positions are neo-liberal which consists of many elements designed to subvert left wing and labor influence. Her position personal liberty puts her squarely in the surveillance state camp — both left and right are opposed to that. Maybe the identity politics came out of the left but in her hands it is an abomination but that is about it.

  5. ex-PFC Chuck says:

    When a Democrat has lost Mark Shields . . . .

  6. Hank Foresman says:

    I watched it also and was not really surprised that Mark Shields called it like he saw it. Why he might be the ultimate liberal democrat, he also knows BS when he see it. What Clinton said to Woodruff was pure BS.

  7. Looks like Bernie is still having an influence on the race. HRC is now endorsing a public option to lower Medicare eligibility to 55 and increased funding for free clinics. Jill Stein also offered the Green Party nomination to Sanders. He hasn’t responded. That would make for an interesting three way race and a probable Trump presidency if the election is thrown to House.

  8. Col Lang
    Like ToivoS, I consider HC a centrist. Look at what she did to the “free college” idea put forth by Bernie. Bernie proposed extending public education from the secondary to the tertiary level. Instead, what Hillary has agreed to support is a highly bureaucratic means-tested plan that will require screening for eligibility – definitely a move rightward from what Bernie proposed.
    It seems to be the consensus that HC is the candidate of the status quo – which includes impunity for the powerful, of course. If you want something different, vote for Trump. As a long-time non-fan of HC, I am a little bit tempted, but not enough to do so. As Fareed Zakaria said in 2003 in favor of the invasion of Iraq, “The place is so dysfunctional… any stirring of the pot is good. America’s involvement in the region is for the good.” My own view is different – there is a lot of room on the downside – for us now, just as for Iraq then. Indeed, to quote Canadian folksinger Bruce Cockburn: “The trouble with normal is it always gets worse.”

  9. Trey N says:

    Well, there’s quite a lot of nasty data in this brief bio of one of the most despicable, utterly vile beings to have ever polluted the earth with its presence:
    Its original surname of “Schwartz” perfectly describes every aspect of its nasty personality.
    Maybe this creature’s connections with Hitlery explain the way she’s looking these days: having a vampire without a soul continually draining the life force from your walking carcass will do that to you….

  10. Jack says:

    I submit to the Committee this excellent essay by Ben Hunt. While Ben is another investment professional who I greatly respect, this essay is for a general audience and it’s about Narrative. And how some of the most popular narratives of the recent past are reaching or passing their sell date. In this context we should consider Brexit, the Chilcot report, Comey’s reinforcement of a rigged system and our November election.
    “We’ve seen this before. History is littered with failed Narratives, once-powerful arrays of Common Knowledge that somehow lose their ability to compel human behavior and eventually become mere myth. That’s where Narratives go to die. They become fables, stories that we chuckle at, stories that we shake our heads at and ask “did people really believe in all that?”

  11. Harry says:

    She is a poor candidate. However Trump is a poor candidate as well, and she had the media and a large percentage of the Republican party rooting for her.
    It will be close.

  12. NotTimothyGeithner says:

    Bernie was a long shot for three reasons: his age, the shortness of his campaign (he was trying to recruit an opponent to Hillary), and a lack of a national profile (political watchers know who he is, but he isn’t going to headline even the Boston Globe).
    In 92, who did Bill face? 41 with his myriad of problems, and Jerry Brown who ran on abolishing the Department of Education and a Flat Tax in the Democratic primary. Bill promptly oversaw the Destruction of the 60 year old Democratic control of Congress an much of the state and local parties. Gingrich proceeded to operate a clown show featuring some loathsome individuals including a child molester. Bill won with less than 50% of the vote.
    In 2000, Hillary won NY, a state where she bullied her way to the nomination, by 10 points against a crank who couldn’t get state party support after Giuliani dropped out. Gore won by 25 points.
    In 2008, she lost to a charismatic empty suit from Chicago who had been pimped by the msm for four years.
    The Clintons have been lucky in their enemies and avoided questions because of the tech boom of the 90’s and relative world peace with the U.S. as the hyper power. Now their folksy shtick doesn’t quite fly even with the corporate media being in the tank for Clintons.

  13. raven says:

    You get more like Tyler every day and I bet you are proud of that.

  14. Chris Chuba says:

    her responses to Woodruff’s softballs, she served up responses obviously intended to soothe and re-assure all the elements of the present Democratic Party base
    You just nailed why I cannot stand to hear politicians, R’s or D’s, in these types of interviews. The well prepared statements are just so phony. Trump may make me cringe by what he says but at least he doesn’t torment me with Saccharin.
    HRC might actually pay a price if she continues to claim that she was exonerated. She even tried to re-phrase some of Comey’s other statements about classification and the degree of her carelessness. While Comey did not recommend an indictment, he was clearly engaged in a public shaming. I think that the lack of contrition will be a deal breaker for some independents. This is a self-inflicted wound. Pride comes before a fall, perhaps I might actually get to see this play out here.

  15. Babak Makkinejad says:

    Sometime around 2002 or 2003, in the Guardian, there was a comment by someone who stated that advanced industrialized countries cannot be great military powers, great economic powers, and to, at the same time, protect their populations against the vagaries of globalization.
    I think the course of the events over the last 10, 14 years has vindicated the views of that author.

  16. Bill Herschel says:

    You raise the possibility that she is medicated. Probably with anti-depressants and some kind of uppers perhaps combined with a Valium like drug.
    If she is, that is exceptionally bad news. Exceptionally bad. That means that whatever constitutes her “judgement” is chemicals. In passing, the “We came, we saw, he died [giggle],” is so manic that we can add something for bi-polar thinking. To the extent she is taking psychotropic drugs, she is profoundly damaged goods. She owes it to the American people to disclose what drugs she takes. Shields calling her out is particularly bad in this context.
    Donald Trump neither smokes nor drinks, nor has he ever, I believe. I am pretty sure he has never drunk alcohol.

  17. jerseycityjoan says:

    The elites are still committed to rampaging automation and globalization without taking into consideration the destruction they cause. They will pay a price for putting themselves first to the detriment of everyone else.
    Everything will hit the fan — and sooner than later, I think, we’ve been living on borrowed time for years now.

  18. VietnamVet says:

    Thanks. This is an excellent link. I agree that America’s status quo narrative is breaking down. It is not just central banks pushing strings, the negative interest rates or Austerity. Inequality is skyrocketing. The game is rigged. The USA is in a schizophrenic war with Islamists who are at the same time one of the proxy forces in the West’s Cold War 2.0 with Russia.
    Those who see the world one way may not change their views. But, reality is creeping in. The Huffington Post smear campaigns won’t work if you are not a Cosmopolitan living in the most perfect of all possible worlds. The next month we shall see if the Democrat elite will parachute in Joe Biden to try to save their party from losing everything to the Republicans. Hillary Clinton is damaged goods with up to 60% unfavorable ratings. She looks old and sick and reeks of entitlement together with aristocratic isolation and contempt for the little people. This is impossible combination for a politician if America is still a democracy.

  19. ex-PFC Chuck says:

    A book published several years ago by a highly regarded psychiatrist in which he asserted that some of history’s most capable leaders in times of crisis have been bipolar. Among the examples he cites are Lincoln, Churchill, Sherman, and Ghandi. He offers worthwhile insights on several others as well. The title is “A First Rate Madness,” which is a riff on Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famous remark about Franklin Roosevelt: “A second class intellect but a first rate temperament.” The book is definitely worth the time to read.

  20. kao_hsien_chih says:

    There is much to ponder at that link, especially since I am a(n) (epistemic) game theorist who has been dealing with elections and the extent to which the “common knowledge” defines the political landscape on which elections are contested (i.e. what defines “liberal” and “conservative”) is central to what I do, of much professional interest as well. (I notice that Ben Hunt has similar background as I do from his bio!)
    The electoral “common knowledge” has been dealt a very severe blow in 2016 by the candidates appearing in both Democratic and Republican camps that defy the usual political dimensions. But I would hardly think the common knowledge narrative is dead. I might not think John Oliver is funny, but if I know that “very important people” think John Oliver is funny and do the homework to learn what about him that they find funny, I can always pretend that I think Oliver is funny and pretend to laugh at what I guess to be his punchlines, if I know what is good for me. The common knowledge narrative can sustain itself for a long time, long after the emperor has stripped himself stark naked. The whole of the political machinery, on both sides of the politics are dedicated to the proposition that John Oliver is funny (i.e. preserving the current definition of what “liberal-conservative” dimension means and contesting politics within this realm. The narrative will have failed only when everyone is free to admit that the emperor is wearing no clothes and we are not there yet, as the story is being kept from becoming a fable through all sorts of artificial means.

  21. turcopolier says:

    Who are you addressing? pl

  22. different clue says:

    It could bode just fine for the few Democrats who are genuinely Berniecrats. The SanderVoter movement might even organize itself to launch many kamikaze primary campaigns against many Clintonite-Obamacrat office reseekers. And that would bode just fine for the hope of a Real Democrat Party arising from the ashes ( oh Please! oh Please!) of the Clintonite Obamacrat Party.

  23. steveg says:

    David Brooks wavy hands have extremely
    small fingers. Any relevance??Reminds me
    of a carney enticing you to a deal you can’t
    pass by. Two for one. Pay separate shipping!!

  24. Jack says:

    VV & KHC
    The dissonance is growing. Those who have seen their jobs shipped overseas don’t buy the rhetoric that Slick Willie used to sell NAFTA and MFN for China. Those that bought into the Exceptional Nation rhetoric of Albright and Dubya and the duopoly and experience the consequence of endless war are beginning to have doubts. Those that bought into the Paulson Bernanke thesis of saving managements, bond holders and shareholders of financial institutions to “save” the system are seeing the aftermath. More of the hair of the dog that bit you. Total credit market debt accelerated forward but median real household income hasn’t budged. The rich got richer but the wage earner has got screwed. Average working class folks are beginning to see the income inequality. We are dealing with mass psychological changes. The status quo is held together by confidence. Most don’t want to contemplate drastic change from the existing order. As economist Rudy Dornbusch observed “things take longer to happen than you think they will and then they happen faster than you thought they could”. When confidence evaporates it does quickly but it takes a long time. Our issues have been building for decades. Its global now. Capital flight by the elites in China show confidence is waning in a pain-free resolution to their gargantuan credit build up. Despite trillions in goverment spending on bridges to nowhere and other boondoggles and with the BoJ now effectively the JGB market pinning rates to negative yields the Japanese economy remains moribund. In fact with NIRP, Japanese savings rates are rising as people’s confidence in the future is going south. As Iraq, Libya and Syria have descended into anarchy and chaos people are becoming skeptical of prescriptions for military intervention.
    IMO, Brexit was the church bell tolling. The first sign that people are willing to risk the unknown. That the status quo can’t scaremonger obedience. We’ll have to see if momentum builds from there. Will enough of the screwed classes across partisan labels show up in November and pull the lever to defeat the Borg Queen? Will voters in France elect Le Pen? Will investors decide that return of capital is more important than return on capital? Will the credibility of the neo-keynesian and neo-monetarist elites and their nostrums of free money be lost? IMO, the trends will be evident in the next decade.

  25. Tyler says:

    I’m seeing the Democrats entering a purity spiral regarding HRC. Any reasonable questioning of her is screamed down with smug condensation or accusations of being a crypto-fascist Trump supporter.
    There will be no dark horse riding in to save the day. Hillary is not a healthy woman – she is on Coumadin, which is a pretty potent (but old) blood thinner. If this is all related to her stroke a few years ago, I imagine she’s also on a calcium channel blocker, and a beta blocker as well due to her obesity.
    Yeah, there’s a reason she’s from the shoulders up in her pictures. Full body shots are, como se dice, unflattering to say the least.
    (she big)

  26. Tyler says:

    You I believe.

  27. Tyler says:

    Trump is a noted teetotaler who, as you pointed out, doesn’t smoke.
    There’s also the fact that Melania is 30 years younger than that and I imagine there’s a reason for that beyond “He’s rich and funny”.

  28. turcopolier says:

    I don’t mind being compared to you but If Raven wants to be nasty then he/she/it is done here. pl

  29. Dave in MD says:

    From Breitbart:
    On Friday’s “PBS NewsHour,” New York Times columnist David Brooks argued that in the discussions after the shooting of police officers in Dallas, and the shootings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile, “it doesn’t help that we have an American political debate with basically one all-white party.”

  30. different clue says:

    I am watching the first of the two tapes of PBS-Clinton and I notice that the audio is just a little out of synch with the video. It makes for a very unsettling effect and could contribute to making Clinton look strange and unwell. The out-of-synchness is maybe a 32nd of a second or less, but just enough to be very strange.

  31. Dave in MD says:

    The #NeverTrump crowd and National Review speaks out on this whole police violence issue. Bill Kristol’s #NeverTrump candidate for President, David French, was able to explain the reason for the police violence. Hint: it’s not just racism by evil whites, but greedy local government exploiting black people.
    “At the same time, it’s just as dishonest to pretend that police abuse is a fiction or that official racism has been vanquished. It is a simple fact that some police departments have covered up police misconduct ([Laquan] McDonald’s case comes immediately to mind) or, typically at the behest of their political masters, systematically abused the citizens they’re sworn to protect, turning them into ATMs for the state through excessive and burdensome fines and citations.”

  32. Nana2007 says:

    Yeah I imagine you do.

  33. robt willmann says:

    A subject that has not been focused on in the complaints about the Hillary Clinton private e-mail system is something that is in addition to fact that the contents of a message were classified and secret. This problem exists if the classified contents had previously been encrypted by the foreign country or organization from which it was intercepted. The NSA veteran, code-breaker, whistle-blower, and supervising creator of the mass surveillance system that solved the problem of sorting massive amounts of incoming data — William Binney — has asserted that if a Clinton e-mail contained the plain text of an intercepted, encrypted communication, then the other country would know that the U.S. has broken that country’s code and will change their type of encryption, among other damaging consequences to the ability of the U.S. to collect information on the intentions and capabilities of foreign nations.
    This adds the dimension of harm in what Hillary did, in addition to the basic fact of mishandling secret and classified material. This is also perhaps the most important aspect of the problem, but it was not a dominant focus of the hearing before the congressional committee on 7 July, which produced the surreal spectacle of the Director of the FBI defending the idea that Hillary should not be prosecuted for mishandling classified information. She did not have to hire a lawyer to say that, or spend money on ads to say that. She just sat back and watched the FBI director dance and do it for her, while she and her husband Bill are known violators of the law as well as being common thieves (on Bill Clinton’s last day in office, on the way out, they improperly took items with them from the White House; in other words, they stole stuff).

  34. Ken Roberts says:

    @Jack … That is an outstanding article. Thank you !

  35. hemeantwell says:

    Agreed. It would be better to use Left-Right re political economic issues and use different terms to discuss identity politics, which might be better termed social equality issues. Clinton is thoroughly neoliberal and neocon, carrying through on the antiregulatory corporatist stance of the DLC and the dollar/oil imperialism of the neocons. To her, labor unions are simply an eroding funding source.

  36. Bill Herschel says:

    Oh, Lord. She does have serious health problems, and we can be certain that they are minimized as much as possible.
    “Clinton, 65, was hospitalized at New York-Presbyterian Hospital Sunday. She suffered a concussion earlier this month after she hit her head when she fainted because of dehydration from a stomach virus, according to an aide.”
    She went on to have, “In an update from her doctors, Clinton’s brain scans revealed a clot had formed in the right transverse venous sinus, and she was being successfully treated with anticoagulants [coumadin].”
    Throw in “We came, we saw, he died [giggle],” and you have the best part of a horror movie.
    She’s nearly 70 years old. She’s pretty close to being unfit to be a greeter at Walmart. Not quite, but close. And we are going to make this individual President of the United States?

  37. Cee says:

    She says one thing trying to mimic Sanders and supports another. TPP is an example

  38. Cee says:

    The first sign that people are willing to risk the unknown
    They saw how Greece was punished so they still “ate the strawberries”

  39. Cee says:

    You made me laugh. Shame on me. But, this is why she’s wearing those designer feed bag looking tunics and jackets.

  40. Bill Herschel says:

    I know that Clinton can justify this program, but is there anyone here that can? The Dallas psychopath had figured out a reason to justify his actions based on perceived injustice (he who had been dismissed from the Army for sexual harassment). What is the justification for our country’s continued summary execution of foreign citizens? This is not the rule of law. This is rule by a secretive clique who have contempt for democracy. If you want to call that the Borg, fine. I prefer “secretive clique who have contempt for democracy”. A clique that definitely includes “Private Server” Clinton.
    “President Obama simultaneously issued an executive order that called on government agencies to adopt stricter guidelines and develop better technology to reduce the risk of killing innocent people in places where the United States is not a declared combatant. Those include Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Libya. Additionally, the order — which can be repealed or amended by Mr. Obama’s successor — calls for the annual release of civilian casualty numbers from drone strikes.
    While the order is a step toward greater transparency, it is curious that Mr. Obama waited until near the end of his presidency to do this. At the same time, his administration continues to fight in court to prevent the disclosure of documents that would offer substantive information about the legal underpinnings of the program and the criteria the government uses to authorize strikes.

  41. HDL says:

    This often happens when the video is digital and the audio analog. Disconcerting.

  42. turcopolier says:

    Bill Herschel
    What is the basis for you calling Johnson a psychopath other than to make yourself feel good about your inability to understand his motivation? He had a cause. It was to go to war against white controlled America. that is not evidence of a psychotic state. If it is, then IMO the whole USMC 1st Division grew progressively more psychotic as the War in the Pacific tore at them massively. pl

  43. Tyler says:

    Brooks, simpering little coward that he is,will never describe the Democrats as an “all black party”, because he is a cucked little shell.

  44. Tyler says:

    French is another pathetic cuck who agreed that white rural America needed to die.
    Personally I love how these (((libertarians))) go on about “individual rights” suddenly become massively in favor of walls and random searches when you bring up Israel.

  45. Tyler says:

    Do blacks ever have agency?

  46. Edward Amame says:

    Right, because according to a 2012 Gallup tracking poll, blacks made up about 22% of the Dem party and about 2% of the GOP.

  47. Edward Amame says:

    I didn’t see the show Fri nite, but I’m surprised that Shields was surprised when surprise!, HRC spun Comey’s remarks into an exoneration.

  48. different clue says:

    Perhaps some of Trump’s surrogates and spokesfolk should try out the word “Trumpexit” on various audiences and media outlets . . . and just see how it works. “Vote for Trumpexit and jump off this runaway stagecoach.” If it does well, Trump can start experimentally adopting and using it here and there if he pleases. If it does badly, he can passively disown it by quietly pretending he never heard of it to begin with.

  49. Tyler says:

    Blacks vote en bloc with 90%+ of their votes going to Democrats. Don’t play word games with me.
    I thought you were banned for being a disingenous (((Soros))) shill, anyway.

  50. Fred says:

    “The Dallas psychopath…”
    None dare call him a racist. After all he was only trying to kill white police officers. Black Lives Matter. The others, not so much.

  51. Skip K. says:

    Skip K.
    Where did you get the idea that Mark Shields is “the ultimate liberal Democratic Party loyalist”? He has the best institutional memory in Washington and, as he always has, calls ’em like he sees ’em, with reliable insight most commentators lack. Speaking truth to power is bedrock for Shields. That includes frequent criticism of Democrats and of the party. If the Democratic Party wants a major upgrade in integrity and in success, it would put Mark Shields in charge, or at least pay very close attention to what he says. If only the Sabbath Gasbags could aspire to the professionalism of Shields, the country would be far better informed.

  52. Edward Amame says:

    Sorry, calling the Dems an all-black party would be inaccurate — it’s mostly white with a sizeable number of non-whites and blacks. Not sure why calling the GOP “all-white” is inaccurate. What can be disputed is that Brooks would exclude GOP reps from the debate because of that.

  53. Tyler says:

    Doublin down on that Talmudic hair splitting. The Colonel is a better man than me. I wouldn’t ban you for disagreeing, I’d ban you for being tiresome and mendacious.

  54. Edward Amame says:

    Interesting choice of adjectives, Tyler. Apparently I irritated a couple of people with the (((echoes))) comment. Tough.

  55. turcopolier says:

    Edward Amame & Tyler
    If the two of you stay with this aggressive talk, I wil trow you out again. pl

  56. Nancy K says:

    I doubt that there is much beyond “He’s rich and funny”. She isn’t seem with him often, Ivanka yes but Melania no. Trump is older by several months than Hillary and he also is quite overweight, carrying his weight around his middle which is not that healthy. He also admits to eating fast food and drinking sodas. A few glasses of wine would be much healthier for him than those sodas. As for his never drinking alcohol can we really believe him. I would imagine that at his age he also takes Viagra on a regular basis but as I mentioned Melania does not seem to be around a lot, so maybe not.
    He seems to wear a lot of make up on his face, giving him an orange hue, to hide what? He has large pouches under his eyes and his face looks edematous, possibly caused by hypertension and water retention. You mentioned that Hillary is probably on medication for hypertension because of her age but as I mentioned he is older than she and it is more common in men than women.

  57. turcopolier says:

    “I would imagine that at his age he also takes Viagra on a regular basis.” Why would you imagine that? Are men his age generally impotent? pl

  58. Larry Kart says:

    I’ll attempt to read Nancy K’s mind here: It’s not that men Trump’s age are generally impotent; it’s that a lot of blustery, “success”-oriented men of a certain sage, with big egos whose size cries out to be verified at every turn, take Viagra or Cialis in an attempt to improve their sexual performance, in particular to have erections that last a good deal longer than they would otherwise. Whether this actually happens to those who take such drugs, I myself don’t know. But I do know anecdotally that a fair number of men of Trump’s vintage and apparent emotional type do take Viagra and Cialis along these lines. Further, if that’s their orientation, they’re not likely to stop at the recommended dose.

  59. turcopolier says:

    Larry Kart
    An overdose can be deadly. I know of several rich Arabs who did themselves in that way. More must be better, yes? No. pl

  60. kxd says:

    Nancy K,
    “I would imagine that at his age he also takes Viagra on a regular basis but as I mentioned Melania does not seem to be around a lot, so maybe not. ”
    Ah yes, typical go-to-attack on a man’s virility that women like to use when they have no argument. Whether Trump uses viagra or not is irrelevant. Women always want a winner and Trump, regardless of what you think of him, is a winner.

  61. Nancy K says:

    I don’t know if most men his age are generally impotent but it is more common at 70 then say at 40. However most men his age do not have a wife 30 years younger than they are. I’m not implying there is anything wrong with taking Viagra or of having a younger wife. I guess I am saying that turn about is fair play and there have many numerous posts concerning Hillary and her age and alleged health problems. Perhaps I am being overly sensitive as Hillary and I are of the same age and it just seems that our society deems a man of 70 an elder statesmen or powerful while a woman is just old.

  62. Fred says:

    Nancy K,
    “quite overweight, carrying his weight around his middle which is not that healthy.”
    He’s got plenty of company in America.

  63. Fred says:

    one of the most attractive women I’ve seen in recent years is at least 70. The comments above on Hilary’s health are about strokes and blood thinners and not potshots about looks; all politician have to endure those.

  64. Nancy K says:

    Here is a comment on this thread regarding Hillary Clinton “She’s nearly 70 ears old. She’s pretty close to being fit to be a greeter at Walmart. Not quite, but close. And we are going to make this individual President of the United States?”
    I imagine that Bill Herschel, who wrote the above supports Trump, who is older than Hillary. Does that not make Trump better qualified to be the greeter. Also how does the above comment refer to her alleged health issues not her looks or age.
    I agree that Hillary Clinton is far from a runway model, however take a good look at Trump he is not going to make People Magazines Sexiest Men alive selection.

  65. Nancy K says:

    Viagra use or abuse can lead to priapism, an erection lasting more than 4 hours. Their advertisements on TV warn viewers to see kmedical help immediately if this happens. I guess it is possible to have too much of a good thing.

  66. Fred says:

    The stroke comments are all on the “61% panicked” thread, sorry to get that wrong. The comments on types of strokes are informative FWIW.

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