Time to Hold the Government Accountable for COVID Lies

Let us focus on facts.

Fact 1–COVID is a real disease. It is potentially deadly to people over the age of 60 who have comorbidities, such as obesity, diabetes, pulmonary fibrosis and coronary heart disease.

Fact 2–Despite enormous hype and a concerted propaganda campaign, vaccines are not working as advertised. Consider the following claims by Saint Anthony Fauci:

Fauci is good at one thing–being wrong. He also is a liar. His repeated, emphatic denials that NIH did not fund “gain of function” research at the Wuhan Institute for Virology was exposed today as a complete falsehood (please read Cristina’s story posted at TGP).

Fact 3–The mRNA vaccines might lead to the development of immune-mediated disorders in COronaVirus Disease-19 (COVID-19) patients in the long term. In other words, the vaccine creates an additional risk for some patients with underlying conditions. This includes pregnant women.

  • Dr. Robert Malone, one of the inventors of the mRNA technology, says, “”[O]ne of my concerns are that the government is not being transparent with us about what those risks are. And so, I’m of the opinion that people have the right to decide whether to accept a vaccine or not, especially since these are experimental vaccines.”
  • “A Norwegian study conducted of 100 nursing home residents who died after receiving Pfizer’s corona shots. They found that at least 10 of those deaths were likely caused by the vaccine. 10%.”

Fact 4–More people are being infected with a variant of COVID now than were being infected a year ago. And more people are dying now than a year ago. While the media focuses on the number of un-vaccinated who succumb to COVID, they skate by the fact that almost 20% of those being hospitalized in Sarasota, Florida had the vaccine and still wound up in the hospital.

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67 Responses to Time to Hold the Government Accountable for COVID Lies

  1. Teddy says:

    Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is Following The Exact COVID Protocol Recommended By U.K. Senior Vaccinologist Sir Andrew Pollard

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/07/florida-governor-ron-desantis-is-following-the-exact-covid-protocol-recommended-by-u-k-senior-vaccinologist-sir-andrew-pollard/

    “Evidence around the world is showing that vaccination will not stop the spread of COVID-19, and it will, as a result of a vaccinated approach, continually mutate into ever-changing variants.

    Vaccinated persons and non-vaccinated persons can equally be exposed, equally be infected, and equally carry the virus and all the variants therein. Thus the value of making a distinction between vaccinated and non-vaccinated persons, as determined by any policy that requires proof of vaccine, is -in fact- futile. Vaccine passports are an exercise in manipulative political theater.

    During statements today in Lakeland Florida, Ron DeSantis again repeated that vaccines have an effective and reasonable place in the overall effort to protect people from severe health crisis as a result of COVID-19 infection. However, if the goal is to protect life and increase survival rates amid those who contract SARS-CoV-2 or variants therein, the vaccine itself does not provide that protection. The DeSantis approach is to combine vaccination for the most vulnerable, with easy access to therapeutics and treatment for everyone – regardless of vaccinated status.”

    https://rumble.com/vm7h07-desantis-rips-fauci-for-false-promises-surrounding-vaccine-mandates.html

  2. akaPatience says:

    Maybe Fauci should’ve been mentioned in the Narcissistic Personality Disorder thread from the other day. The guy has no shame in spite of being wrong so many times — and he’s a perjurer to boot, lapping up the love the MSM shower on him obviously due to his partisanship more than any command of Covid science.

    Yes – WHY are vaccine pushers either ignoring, mocking and/or spreading outright LIES about treatments when vaccines have hardly been a panacea? And yet the party line remains the same — or even worse — the pushers seem to dig in their heels regardless of circumstances or studies.

    I used to think Dr. Scott Gottleib, former head of the FDA, was probably trustworthy but have since found out — and NOT via any appropriate disclaimers that should’ve been divulged when he’s made his many media appearances — that he’s on the board of Pfizer. While what he’s said may or may not be true, in any case this is a blatant conflict of interest and his audiences should at least be made aware he’s being paid by one of the vaccine manufacturers! Sheesh, is it any wonder some people may be reluctant and/or feel they’re being had?

    • Eric Newhill says:

      akaPatience,
      We have a couple of pushers here on this forum. Try asking them why ignore, mock and spread outright lies. They haven’t answered so far, but maybe you’ll have better luck.

      Covid is a crisis of a highly technical nature. So technicians, like Fauci, are thrust into a leadership role; front and center on the world stage. But Fauci isn’t a societal leader. Rather, he’s a little man that has spent his life in a highly cloistered environment behind the scenes. No surprise that his leadership skills are lacking.

      On top of that, covid isn’t happening in the vacuum of a scientific laboratory. It represents a range of phenomena, impacts and opportunities occurring in a highly politicized society. There are many ulterior pressures and motives impinging on “the science”.

      Add to that a populace that isn’t particularly well educated and a media that obtains “hits” by shocking that populace.
      Voila! a perfect shit storm.

      There’s nothing like a crisis to reveal weaknesses in a system.

      • English Outsider says:

        Eric – do your stats show anything on “Long Covid”?

        Here it’s not that minor – some figures I’ve grabbed –

        Self-reported long COVID at 1 August 2021
        An estimated 970,000 people in private households (1.5%)

        4 in 10 were experiencing these symptoms over a year

        Symptoms

        Adversely affected the day-to-day activities in 66%

        Fatigue, 58%

        Shortness of breath, 42%

        Muscle ache, 32%

        Difficulty concentrating, 31%

        Anxiety, Anosmia, GI

        More common among:

        Aged 35 to 69 years

        Female

        Most deprived areas

        Workers in health or social care

        Another health condition or disability”

        From Dr Campbell’s site –

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbRJzR95PkI

        I see you’re not happy with the vaccines. Would you be happier if there weren’t pressure to make it compulsory? A straw poll conducted on the above site indicated that most would be opposed to compulsion.

        • English Outsider says:

          Forgot to take the bolding off properly! Hope it doesn’t infect the rest of your comment section Larry.

        • Deap says:

          “Long covid” sounds a lot like typical menopause symptomology, along with a less recognized but similar andropause cluster. Certainly the age and gender demographics support this.

        • TTG says:

          EO, In addition to that laundry list of symptoms/complications, the Mayo Clinic says this about long Covid:

          “Although COVID-19 is seen as a disease that primarily affects the lungs, it can damage many other organs as well. This organ damage may increase the risk of long-term health problems. Organs that may be affected by COVID-19 include:
          – Heart. Imaging tests taken months after recovery from COVID-19 have shown lasting damage to the heart muscle, even in people who experienced only mild COVID-19 symptoms. This may increase the risk of heart failure or other heart complications in the future.
          – Lungs. The type of pneumonia often associated with COVID-19 can cause long-standing damage to the tiny air sacs (alveoli) in the lungs. The resulting scar tissue can lead to long-term breathing problems.
          – Brain. Even in young people, COVID-19 can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome — a condition that causes temporary paralysis. COVID-19 may also increase the risk of developing Parkinson’s disease and Alzheimer’s disease.
          Some adults and children experience multisystem inflammatory syndrome after they have had COVID-19. In this condition, some organs and tissues become severely inflamed.”

          So, in effect, these are the possible side effects of acquiring natural immunity that so many speak so lovingly of. Then you have to add in the chance, albeit slight, of dying while trying to acquire natural immunity. Obviously the best COA is not to get it in the first place. Those who only get mild cases of Covid can and do suffer from these long Covid complications.

          • Eric Newhill says:

            TTG,
            I seriously hope you do not spend your days worrying about spike protein tearing up your brain or liver.

            I’ll play along for a moment; if covid can really cause all of those terrible long term effects, by what special mechanism does it do so? Spike protein? If spike protein, then imagine the damage the so called vaccine must be wreaking upon the population of the entire world.

        • Eric Newhill says:

          EO,
          Nothing on “long covid”.

          Like I said, covid itself is not a significant factor among many millions of covered lives other than the costs of many millions of vaccinations that we have to pay for and gazillions of tests.

          My own sense – outside of any data – is that long covid is a set of psychological phenomena and is only related to the virus in that the virus provided the opportunity to notice pre-existing issues or to develop psychosomatic complaints.

  3. walrus says:

    Larry,

    Your fact one – age of victims is mostly over 60 – correct.

    Your fact two – vaccines not working – incorrect.

    “ More than 168 million Americans have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and just a small fraction have had breakthrough cases that led to hospitalization.

    According to analyses conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) based on data from the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard and the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, vaccines continue to protect people from severe disease and death due to COVID-19.

    The vast majority of people who have died from COVID-19 were unvaccinated. Fatal cases of COVID-19 among vaccinated people are either very low or virtually zero in 48 states.”

    https://www.healthline.com/health-news/covid-19-by-the-numbers-vaccinated-continue-to-be-protected#The-current-situation

    The bit about Fauci is irrelevant.

    Your fact three – possible immune disorders – misleading.

    Read the paper you cite. It’s conclusion is MAYBE you shouldn’t give Mrna vaccines to people with compromised immune systems. From your link:

    “ Given the current state of the art, my view is that individuals with a dysfunctional immune response should receive the COVID-19 mRNA vaccine only if the benefits of this approach clearly outweigh any risks and after a careful evaluation case by case.”

    Dr. Robert Malone – MAYBE autoimmune diseases and reactions could occur from the use of Mrna vaccines – which he played a small part in inventing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Malone

    As for why we are seeing a surge of increased covid cases after so many are vaccinated – simple.

    The national vaccination rate is 52.9%

    https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker/?areas=gbr&areas=isr&areas=usa&areas=eue&areas=can&areas=chn&areas=ind&cumulative=1&doses=total&populationAdjusted=1

    That means that there are over a hundred million Americans who aren’t vaccinated. The vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t get infected it means that it probably won’t kill you.Since vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the disease when the economy opens up, then the unvaccinated all 100 million plus, are at risk.

    If it’s any consolation, we are in partial lockdown in some Australian states and our doctors, nurses and hospitals are freaking out about what will happen when we lift the lockdowns- which is planned to happen at around 70 -80 percent vaccinated.

    Furthermore, severe Covid19 is a horrible way to die and if you. are sick enough to be intubated, you have only about a 5% chance of surviving – according to an ICU nurse acquaintance who agrees with this article on the clinical progress of the disease:

    https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-08-26/pandemic-covid-19-stages-vaccination-intensive-care-respiratory-therapist

    In summary, please get vaccinated. If you aren’t, you are playing Russian Roulette – multiple times.

    • Teddy says:

      No, do not get vaccinated with the garbage mRna. Thousands of people have died after getting jabbed & many thousands more seriously injured.

      There are plenty of safe alternatives to getting mRna jabbed:

      “During mass IVM treatments in Peru, excess deaths fell by a mean of 74% over 30 days in its ten states with the most extensive treatments. Reductions in deaths correlated with the extent of IVM distributions in all 25 states with p < 0.002."

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34466270/

    • Eric Newhill says:

      Walrus,
      I’m sure I’m wasting my time responding to you, but maybe it will clarify for others.
      “ More than 168 million Americans have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, and just a small fraction have had breakthrough cases that led to hospitalization.”

      Only a small fraction of covid cases result in hospitalization, vaccine or no vaccine. Your statement is meaningless.

      “According to analyses conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation (KFF) based on data from the Johns Hopkins University COVID-19 Dashboard and the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services, vaccines continue to protect people from severe disease and death due to COVID-19.”

      This is a misleading statement. The “protection” represents a temporary somewhat enhanced, but far from complete, ability to fight an infection if the infection is one one of the known strains and not a mutation. You also, of course, leave out the waning protection offered by he vaccine and how everyone is supposed to receive booster of an experimental RNA altering drug every six months into perpetuity and downplay some of the potential deleterious effects of that regimen that many highly qualified experts (like people that invented the tech) have warned about.

      “As for why we are seeing a surge of increased covid cases after so many are vaccinated – simple.

      The national vaccination rate is 52.9%”

      Very facile and very wrong. There are unambiguous reports, like from Israel and other countries, that show that the vaccinated are being hospitalized and dying.

      “The vast majority of people who have died from COVID-19 were unvaccinated. Fatal cases of COVID-19 among vaccinated people are either very low or virtually zero in 48 states.”

      First, this is disingenuous to a degree. Some of the studies that are quoted were done well before vaccinations had been made available (like Q1 2021). Second, the people dying in the US are disproportionately minorities in bad health to start with. These people are the least likely to seek medical attention or be vaccinated. Indeed, vaccination rates among blacks and first generation hispanics are far lower that whites. Vaccination status is not causation. Rather, it is correlational – unhealthy poor minorities die from covid at a rate disproportionate to educated whites since the beginning of the pandemic. Unhealthy poor minorities don’t seek vaccinations now that they are available.

      “Since vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the disease when the economy opens up, then the unvaccinated all 100 million plus, are at risk.”

      You have contradicted yourself in a single sentence. Why would the economy be closed down pending vaccinations, when you also state that vaccinated people can still be infected (and, my note, still pass the virus along to others)?

      “In summary, please get vaccinated. If you aren’t, you are playing Russian Roulette”

      LOL, Here, perhaps, is the crux of the matter. Poor understanding of statistics and distorted perception of risk. Assuming one live round in a six shot revolver, the odds of getting killed playing Russian Roulette are 16.6%. The odds of a normal healthy person age 0 – 65 dying from covid are minuscule; a fraction of a percent, less than the odds of being involved in a fatal or debilitating motor vehicle accident. You do go out and play Russian Roulette by driving your vehicle “multiple times” (!), don’t you?

    • LeaNder says:

      which he played a small part in inventing.

      Walrus, I wondered for a second, if was he downgraded of ‘the inventor’ to ‘one of the inventors. 😉 Still an authority on matters concerning the rather complex human system?

      Eric, I would be interested what the ‘fake pandemic’, if you like, means for your line of business. Please notice, my intention is not in the least to suggest this might influence your position on ‘misguided global Corona politics’, or overreaction to something that can be just as easily be treated by already available drugs plus vitamins and minerals.

      • LeaNder says:

        downgraded of =downgraded from

        • Eric Newhill says:

          LeaNder,
          My business made more money last year than we are allowed to by law because no one was going to the hospital, or even the doctor’s office. We had far fewer claims to pay out, but we still collected premiums, of course.

          This year, utilization is pretty much back to normal (that means hospital stays, doctor’s office visits, etc). We are NOT getting hit with a big surge in covid hospitalizations. Never happened and never will. Very few of our covered lives have experienced any serious covid illness. It’s basically a statistically insignificant number. That’s what I’ve been saying all along (for more than a year). The biggest downside of covid, to us, has been paying for the damn vaccines and tests. We cover the full cost. Several million vaccinations and millions of tests adds up to unexpected costs based on normal actuarial models designed pre-covid.

          On the casualty and life side of the business, there has been no impact. As I have said repeatedly, those dying from covid are not the people that would be eligible for life insurance in the first place; nor are they people who are gainfully employed and getting their healthcare insurance through their employer or the ACA (Obamacare).

          The biggest covid lie – that Walrus and the governments pathologically repeat – is that we are all equally susceptible. We are not. Again, going out in traffic every day in your automobile is a higher risk event than is covid for the vast majority of us.

          • Deap says:

            As I am now re-entering the health care system for non-emergency cataract surgery, I see many add-ons that did not exist prior to “covid”. I sense these are ways of re-couping lost revenues, so the costs to insurance companies for Medicare reimubursements may defy prior expectations.

            Added on of course are now mandatory covid tests (nasal swabs) a few days before surgery, and a pre-op office visit consultation with GP, even if one had a regular check up only a few months prior – more blood tests, EKG on top of what was just done.

            “Socialized medicine” (Medicare) – ain’t it a grand cash cow. Mooo.

    • Fred says:

      Walrus,
      The Fauci part is more relevant than vaccine failure. He is corrupt and incompetent. The reliance on his professional recommendations has resulted in numerous second order effects that are disastrous to human health – physical and mental, and economic devastation.

      “The majority of the people who have died from …”
      How many vaccines were available last year, zero? Thanks to that “fruit of British-Turkish collaboration ” Yasemin Sakay and her “fact checker for leaving that fact out of her story. “Any medical information published on this website is not intended as a substitute for informed medical advice…”
      https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/
      https://mobile.twitter.com/MNT_Yazz
      They are owned by Red Ventures, the red doesn’t mean the old red, white, and blue either. Thanks for spreading the sophistry.

      Thanks also for your repeated annecedote from the LA Times about the unknown person with the unknown underlying conditions who died. My anecdotes, yes multiple, are people who became ill, slight fever and aches, recovered in 3-4 days, went back to work. No hospitalization, no ventilation. No vaccination either then or now.

      Please let us all know how horrible it is to die of suicide due to despair because your nation declared what you do to earn a living is not essential, you are forbidden to work- for months on end, and are imprisoned in your own home for months under threat of fine and imprisonment.

      On a bright note our glorious victory in Kabul has brought thousands of people who are our strength into the Republic, no vaxx, no vax passport, or any other kind, or job, or questions to Biden about them. No talk about survivability rates from infection either. Secularism forbid. Danger danger danger! Test test test, otherwise we can’t pump up the fear by repeating “Cases, cases, cases”.

      “Since vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the disease…”
      Wow , how did that slip by. Typhoid Mary, Covid version. Thanks pharmaceutical industrial complex. I wonder how China is doing since they aren’t using our vaccines. Anybody catch on to that yet?

    • Deap says:

      walrus, how do you explain the Johns Hopkin’s CDC morbidity report data analysis findings by their own in-house statistician researcher – the results of her work was suppressed by Johns Hopkins before the 2020 election because they deemed it would be too confusing to the public.

      Her findings: no increase in average all-cause morbidity numbers over the past 10 years – no extra morbidity numbers for the covid year 2020. But she found a striking correlation between the 2020 reported decreases in typical causes of death – heart disease, cancer, CPOD, diabetes, etc and an increase in those reported as “covid deaths”.

      But over all there was no net increase in the 2020 all-cause death numbers. It was a long presentation, was made available on the Johns Hopkins website at the time, and her heavy French accent made it difficult to listen closely, but her charts and presentation clearly demonstrated her own surprise when she ran her CDC morbidity reports over 10 years of spread sheets.

      She asked for feedback to critique her methods and findings. Instead, Johns Hopkins suppressed her entire presentation. See if you can still find it, or if there has been any substantial criticism as to her data or methodology.

      The initial study gave me pause, the timing of its suppression was troubling, and I would like to know if there has been any further follow-up. Time and transparency will prove whether the the marriage between covid hype and data ends happily; or in a divorce.

      • Bill Roche says:

        I read that woman’s research in early October 2020. It begged for scientific rebuttal. None came. John Hopkins quickly removed any reference to it. She used CDC data in her presentation so data source was not an issue. She explained exactly how she created her graphical analysis (she lost me) in order to reveal her methodology. No one has explained the nearly one to one co-relation in lowered expected/common causes of death among seniors and increased covid deaths in that same peer group over the same time. She asked if someone could explain it. A year has passed … crickets.

        • Deap says:

          Bill R, that is exactly what I took away too after slogging through her very thorough presentation on the JH video of her CDC data analysis – I worried I was missing something because her accent got in the way of my full comprehension.

          We are getting ready in a few months to add the morbidity data from 2021 – to see if it follows similar trend – down for most causes of death, in almost direct correlation with the same increase numbers for “covid”.

          Sounds like the deep state is playing with “covid” numbers on, the same way they just might be playing with election outcome numbers. What ever fits the agenda.

    • Babeltuap says:

      Walrus: How do you know if it’s Russian Roulette without knowing what natural immunity brings to the table. Is it better? Does it last longer? Should we not find out and lay off those unvaccinated until we do know instead of shotgun blasting everyone and ask questions later?

      I am not getting vaccinated until I know this information. I also don’t appreciate Fauci saying not to wear a mask many moons ago when I was running through airports when I actually had a mask on me. At that point he lost all integrity with me.

      Also the border. What is the point of vaccinating when more sick are pouring through. No. That is the wrong course of action and I will no longer play this game. If you want to play it then go right ahead.

    • Mark Logan says:

      Walrus,
      A quick perusal of the available information on COVID intubation survival showed mostly that around 50% of those intubated recover, so you may want to check on that. The headline indicates hearsay, and anecdotal to one facility which may be rationing due to COVID patient icu overload. A place that has few ventilators will probably only intubate the worst of the worst with them.

      Depending on the sort of press we prefer we are rendered more frightened of the vaccine or of the disease. Bias confirmation is a bitch. So is click-hit seeking journalism. And bloody-mindedness.

    • Carey says:

      For ‘walrus’, in particular:

      https://nypost.com/2021/09/07/nih-to-study-how-covid-19-vaccine-impacts-menstrual-cycle/

      Lots of oddities in women’s periods, post-“vaccine”, and apparently they’re
      finally going to “look into it”.

      Safe and effective, eh?

      • Deap says:

        Again, this woman is age 45 – periods get very out of normal pre-menopause.

        Has “menopause” also dropped off the face of the earth and women are now so equal to men, they pay no account to the major hormonal shifts that can often come with the menopause transition. It is like saying “covid shots” cause of teen-age acne.

        Spent a lot of time on a self-created menopause website 25 years ago – first of its kind in those early days of the internet and we took the topic out of the shadows. Experiences were shared across the globe, including the cultural stories that went with this midlife time for women.

        We as laypersons were fighting the over-medicalization of the natural transition time. And we learned a lot. And dug into medical text books, and FDA hearings. The topic needs to be put back on the table, since we are seeing this age cluster claiming they are experiencing “long covid”. Maybe not.

        • Deap says:

          (Way off topic, but might be linked to Long Covid) Our very crudely put together Menopause and Beyond website from over 25 years ago still exists in the geocities archives.

          Many of the links are now broken, but it still has a fascinating collection of our stories, opinions, research and historical references we found in medical textbooks.

          History was being made – a group of women going through menopause …in public .. for the very first time, before any of us understood the Internet is Forever.

          http://www.geocities.ws/menobeyond/

        • Carey says:

          > Again, this woman is age 45 – periods get very out of normal pre-menopause. <

          It's not just one, pre-menopausal woman experiencing
          change in menstrual cycles; it's many thousands of
          woman of widely varying ages, with the common link
          being a significant change after getting the "vaccine".

  4. BillWade says:

    During the initial stages of this “disease” I did not know of anyone at all who got it. As time wore on two of my neighbors caught it but just recovered at home like they would have with the flu.

    I now know at least 6 people who have caught it since the “vaccines” have become available. Each and everyone of them was fully “vaccinated” prior to catching it, one was very seriously ill and was just shy of being put on a ventilator, his wife was with him in the hospital but had less severe complications.

    Anybody who still recommends these “vaccines” is either delusional or profiting somehow.

    I hear Australia is once again a penal colony.

    • Eric Newhill says:

      BillWade,
      My personal anecdotes are about the same as yours. Known several people who contracted the bug. They all recovered at home as they would from a flu. All in my cohort, middle age professional types. Don’t know anyone who’s been hospitalized, let alone died. I am not vaxxed. I don’t wear a mask, I go to the gym, to the bar/restaurant, stores, whatever I want. My wife the same, but on top of that, she’s a 2nd grade teacher surrounded by wild little petri dishes (aka 7 year olds). Maybe we’ve contracted it, maybe we haven’t. Weird we would need a test to know if we had a killer virus. Seems like that’s something you should notice if you had it.

      Anyhow, wondering if we get some of that great Chinese cinema out of penal colony Aussie land. Walrus’ neighbors wailing from the windows of their welded shut homes and apartments, while others are carted off by government stooges in Hazmat suits and yet others dropping dead in the streets.

  5. jld says:

    I wonder if the vaccine pushers like Walrus realize that unless their “plan” fully comes to fruition, that is a totalitarian society (worldwide…), there WILL BE A RECKONING and it will be no less bloody than their own misdeeds.

  6. Sam says:

    All,

    I wrote this post in response to walrus lamenting his efforts to counter the covid BS on the “A killer vaccine” thread. I believe it is highly relevant for this thread. For the record, I believe those who want to get vaccinated should have that ability. However, I strongly oppose lockdowns and vaccine mandates, not only because there’s no definitive scientific evidence that they produce statistically meaningful benefits compared to natural immunity from infection relative to the already low mortality probability in case of infection but the implications for growing authoritarianism in direct contravention to our founding principle that the Creator has endowed us with unalienable rights including Life & Liberty is far too serious to not be part of the public health calculus.

    walrus

    I believe it goes both ways. The big difference is that the Vaxxers have all the money & power of of the State including State Media spewing the BS.

    You want a vaxxed “human interest” story like the LA Times nurse. Here you go:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9956313/Boxer-Oscar-La-Hoya-48-tests-positive-COVID-despite-fully-vaccinated.html

    Here’s a few The Science:

    Despite 95% vaccination rate, Cornell today has five times more COVID cases than it did this time last year

    ANALYSIS: If the goal is to prevent infection, the 95% vaccination rate on Cornell’s campus has not accomplished that

    https://twitter.com/collegefix/status/1434247260984918018?s=21

    And if it doesn’t work double down.

    Fully-Vaxxed Gibraltar Sees 2500 PERCENT SPIKE in COVID-19 Cases Per Day, Initiates New Lockdowns

    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/fully-vaxxed-gibraltar-sees-2500-percent-spike-in-covid-19-cases-per-day-initiates-new-lockdowns/

    And how’s that Zero Covid policy working out in Australia?

    Australia’s zero Covid policy is successfully flattening the curve, but along the wrong axis 😳

    https://twitter.com/drelidavid/status/1434641216348508167?s=21

    How about some sensible policies proposed by highly credentialed folks? Nah! Doesn’t fit The Narrative.

    Twelve Forgotten Principles of Public Health

    #1 Public health is about all health outcomes, not just a single disease like #COVID19. It is important to also consider harms from public health measures. #totalharms

    https://twitter.com/martinkulldorff/status/1340352565481975812?s=21

    Sunetra Gupta:
    “The role of these vaccines is to offer protection to the clinically vulnerable; to foist them upon those who are at negligible risk in the hope of augmenting herd immunity is illogical.”

    https://twitter.com/drjbhattacharya/status/1434327168813654017?s=21

    Then there’s also the other “peer-reviewed” The Science. Of course when it doesn’t comport with The Narrative bury it.

    A new systematic review confirms that covid recovered patients have immunity as complete or better vs. reinfection than the vaccines do. There is no scientific justification for vaccine passports/mandates.

    https://twitter.com/drjbhattacharya/status/1434010331093811202?s=21

    Ever consider the human interest story on the harms that the current failed policies are creating??

    A devastatingly sad story of collateral harm from lockdown. My heart aches for the young woman and her family.

    https://twitter.com/drjbhattacharya/status/1434375990470402048?s=21

    Nah! The Narrative uber alles! Yup. Get the former FDA chief, now on Pfizer’s board as the pitchman. Never mention the financial conflict of interest when introducing him on the show.

    Pfizer’s TV man is already setting the stage for 3 or 4 shots for “immune memory.”

    https://twitter.com/cernovich/status/1433997064761839628?s=21

    • Artemesia says:

      “Anybody who still recommends these “vaccines” is either delusional or profiting somehow.”

      word choice: “delusional” is fluff. Why aren’t public figures, such as journalists with a loud microphone, held accountable?
      I have listened to C Span Washington Journal for years. I listen closely, take notes, follow up. In the course of the Covid campaign, my spreadsheet shows that every time a Caller states an argument against The Narrative or cites a source that opposes vaccines, mandates; or that reveals that CDC statistics are bogus, Wash. Journ. moderators immediately state, “100,000 have died . . . 630,000 have died . . .people are dying.”

      As far as I can discern, these men and women suffer no consequences for their words, nor am I aware of any institution that holds them accountable.
      If a doctor fails to treat a patient according to standards set by certifying organizations,* he can be punished severely, from loss of livelihood to fine to imprisonment.
      But a journalist (if that is what C Span moderators are) who purvey all manner of scary information to a vast and credible public on a daily basis, have no check whatsoever on their ability to continue to do so.

      In short, it’s time to hold journalists accountable, at very least, subject to public naming-and-shaming.
      And employers who buckle to the government non-mandate mandate and enforce vaccination of their employees under duress, must be made to understand that the vaccine-makers have transferred legal liability to them.

      (If I recall correctly, Dr. Peter McCullough reported that consequent to the Ford administration’s mandate of vaccination against Swine Flu (??) when many of the vaccinated developed crippling disorders and about 450 died, the Federal government paid out billions in claims. The Biden administration is keeping Uncle Sam’s pockets sewn shut by avoiding a government mandate. But in a litigious society such as the US, somebody’s pocket are going to be picked.
      To mix a metaphor: Deep Pockets are in a game of musical chairs.)

      ___
      *Ironically, tragically, those medical certifying organizations are themselves corrupt, unaccountable, and even have the full power of the government — a monopoly on violence — to enforce their instructions to front line medical practitioners.

      • blue peacock says:

        “We’ve got doctors who’ve taken money from about 15 different companies in a single year,” Lenzer says. “Science is undermined when those with the money run the show.”

        https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/a-candid-conversation-with-reporter

        Upton Sinclair nailed it.

        “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

        Federal prosecutors hit Pfizer Inc. with a record-breaking $2.3 billion in fines Wednesday and called the world’s largest drug maker a repeating corporate cheat for illegal drug promotions that plied doctors with free golf, massages, and resort junkets.

        As part of its illegal marketing, Pfizer invited doctors to consultant meetings at resort locations, paying their expenses and providing perks, prosecutors said.

        “They were entertained with golf, massages, and other activities,” said Mike Loucks, the U.S. attorney in Massachusetts.

        https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna32657347

        And we are expected to believe Pfizer data, Scott Gottlieb, previous FDA head and now on the board of Pfizer who is pushing for multiple booster shots and all the virology scientists feeding at Fauci’s trough??

        The challenge of course is how to find reasonableness in an environment of mass deceit.

        Cui bono.

        • Sam says:

          Just a friendly reminder… the FDA is currently led by Janet Woodcock, who helped unleash mass death on America by approving opioids including Oxycontin for 11 year olds and Zohydro, which the FDA’s own scientific advisory committee declared unsafe

          https://twitter.com/maxblumenthal/status/1435447493853126657?s=21

          Unleash mass deaths. Small price for the hundreds of billions of dollars for Big Pharma. Especially when you can get a handsome payday from the revolving door. How much did Scott Gottlieb’s net worth rise with the blowout earnings for Pfizer on the back of the leaky vaccine paid for by Trump and now Biden?

  7. Deap says:

    The following article amply shares my own reservations about the “covid vaccine”. The author does not question why he is hesitant, and asks instead why are not others more hesitant?

    https://thebluestateconservative.com/2021/09/08/the-question-isnt-why-im-vaccine-hesitant-the-question-is-why-arent-you/

  8. JK/AR says:

    https://kfor.com/news/local/patients-overdosing-on-ivermectin-backing-up-rural-oklahoma-hospitals-ambulances/

    That’s from a television station a niece of mine listens to for her “news” – that niece is an ER working RN; when I called to ask her whether ‘gunshot victims were actually [blocked] from access to ERs due to the overflow of people seeking care from accidental poisonings’ her response was “It’s *bunk.”

    She then instructed me to look closely at the accompanying photo (now replaced by a photo of one of the alleged products purportedly causing the poisonings) At any rate the original photo of *gunshot victims lined up at the ER were all dressed in heavy winter gear. She asked me, “Uncle J, we’re barely three hours drivetime apart, how many people outside your window are wearing fleece?” [September 1st].

    Feeling rather foolish for not having perused the entire feature [text] instead just watching the video I then went in search for actual data and came up with this:

    https://trialsitenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Imagem4.png.webp

    But that was then – more recently there’s this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3O_7O9_nV10

    It seems to me we’re in some sort of parallel universe.

    • JK/AR says:

      Some might be curious as to why I was so bothered to even post my above[?] The plain fact is that my 91 year old mother is subjected to near 80% CNN in the day room and was frantically *worried about me – as I am very publicly against the newfangled *vaccines – and I’m “the only one [out there] who comes see me.”

      For any who may’ve missed the red-faced huffers and puffers of anything-at-all which supports the narrative Somehow Rachel Maddow picked up an item from my neighboring state of Oklahoma, CNN picked up from her, the ‘snowball effect’ went into high gear. Hence my calling Mom’s granddaughter.

      Easiest acquired item relating to all that can be deduced from this:

      https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/09/two-questions-about-the-rolling-stone-story.php

    • blue peacock says:

      The Oklahoma “horse dewormer” story propagated by Rolling Stone, AP & Rachel Maddow among others is classic misinformation. It just happens to be promoted by corporate media. Note that Twitter, Google, et al still have not flagged the story or taken them down. Cancellation only occurs to those that dissent from the groupthink orthodoxy especially if they’re factual.

      https://www.foxnews.com/media/rolling-stone-forced-issue-update-after-viral-hospital-ivermectin-story-false

      We have been in an environment of active disinformation operations by government agencies in collusion with Big Tech & Big Media and those “experts” feeding at the trough as well as the leadership of the political duopoly.

      George Carlin said it best:

      I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.

      I follow this maxim and that’s how I found Col. Lang and then SST in the lead up to Mushroom Clouds in Iraq. Drinking the Koolaid is a seminal paper! It should be a mandatory read for high-school seniors and a full seminar subject for college freshmen.

      • JK/AR says:

        “I have certain rules I live by. My first rule: I don’t believe anything the government tells me.”

        Oh Blue Peacock when Walrus – & et al – discover you’ve rules not supporting “the narrative” oh boy are you in for some hmmm ‘browser difficulties’ for one (I’m noticing Firefox locks me up whenever certain persons utterings are searched.) Admitting and very forthcoming NO provable evidence.

        Oh Lord I wish sunspot activity gets back to whatever it was before this video became less ridiculous as [much of] Oz (nevermind the man behind the machine) insists to us on this thread “it” is:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSZgoFyuHC8

        Seriously. Our governments must have begun taking dope.

        Not ‘drugs’ – dope.

  9. Jim says:

    From the police state of Australia. . . .Senator from Queensland, Australia says “the government has blood on its hands” over the suppression of Ivermectin.

    https://rumble.com/vm4rva-australian-senator-malcolm-roberts-on-ivermectin-suppression-they-have-bloo.html

    UK Government data published on Sept. 3, 2021.
    Deaths reported, involving only the covid delta and delta plus variants:
    deaths after 1 or more shots = 1,233 via delta variant and delta plus
    deaths after zero shot = 536
    deaths unknown shot status = 29

    Total covid delta and delta plus variant cases reported in UK = 492,528
    cases reported with covid shot = 272,812 [55.4%] via delta variant and delta plus
    without shot = 219,716 [44.6%]

    The USA government police state is hiding its data.

    And in its place we have fools and charlatans in government, in big media, in medicine flying by the seat of their pants, and lying and deceiving etc.

    Vaccine Effectiveness is tending towards VE=ZERO.

    As Dr. Malone stated, in response to CDC director Dr. Walensky having said we don’t have data but we have hope. . . Malone said: we are just winging it now.

    To pretend otherwise is to pretend the CDC and Big Pharma and big politicians and big media et al. are concerned about anything beyond $$$$$$$$$.

    These are the hard and deplorable facts. Military grade propaganda on over drive to keep us confused and fighting each other instead of targeting the traitors to our country, who may or may not be held accountable, someday — in meantime, we fight each other in a fog they created on purpose.

    It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

    An entire country, awash in government deceptions, outright lies and thousands now dead and many more thousands permanently injured, blinded, sterilized, along with the catastrophic and reckless destruction of the national economy.

    The common man and small and medium sized local businesses, destroyed or being destroyed, on purpose.

    Why is it that: “Forbes estimates that the 2,200-plus billionaires in the world have collectively gotten $1.9 trillion richer in 2020.” ? ? ?

    “The world’s billionaires are worth an estimated $11.4 trillion, based on Forbes’ calculations using stock prices from Friday, December 11. That’s up 20% from collective wealth of $9.5 trillion on December 31, 2019.

    America’s billionaire class had a smashing 2020. Altogether, the more than 600 U.S. billionaires are worth $4 trillion, a gain of $560 billion since the beginning of the year. . . .”

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2020/12/16/the-worlds-billionaires-have-gotten-19-trillion-richer-in-2020/?sh=626f458d7386

    -30-

  10. Deap says:

    Democrats and the Karens, who still stalk amongst us, remain solid Biden Believers.

    But all other categories register serious doubts, along with materially dropping support among traditional racial/ethnic blocks of Democrats:

    YouGov/Economist, first poll that has Biden’s approval under 40%.

    (approve/disapprove)
    Overall: 39/50
    Men: 36/53
    Women: 42/46
    White men no degree: 28/61
    White women w/ degree: 53/42
    Black: 65/26
    Hispanic: 41/36
    Registered Voters: 43/53
    Dems: 77/15
    GOP: 9/89
    Indie: 35/56

  11. walrus says:

    If you don’t like Mrna vaccines and there may be good reason for that, then get a conventional vaccine like Astra Zeneca. That seems to hold up pretty well. Yes, you will require regular boosters just like for flu, tetanus, whooping cough, etc. The price of vaccines will fall to pennies because worldwide demand is about 5 billion doses and most folks are poor. Generation 2 or 3 vaccines will last years and not require boosters.

    My only sadness is that some of you appear to have fallen victim to what are classic infiltration techniques in that you believe that you actually have expertise in virology and epidemiology enough to differentiate between scientific concepts you only learned in the last eighteen months. Me? I already know I’m stupid. That’s why I quote reputable references or scientists working day to day on this matter. I remind you I had my first briefing on Covid March 6 2020 and reported it here that same day.

    On the plus side, I now know how the middle ages incorporated witchcraft as a feature of daily life and why the Salem trials occurred.

    Please get vaccinated. DO NOT believe second or third hand interpretations by commentators. READ the original paper. If they draw a conclusion look for the data. look at the qualifications of the authors and the quality of the publisher. If you cannot understand what has been reported after an hour of work, chances are that it is BS.

    BTW Israel is doing just fine……..if you are vaccinated. Unvaccinated? Not so much.

    furthermore, my nurse acquaintance has said “unvaccinated unventilated “ not that a ventilator helps much.

    God bless all of you. Please get vaccinated.

    • Fred says:

      walrus,
      You sure love your misinformation sir.

      “Yes, you will require regular boosters just like for flu, tetanus, whooping cough, etc. ”
      “just like the flu”. Do we need to scroll through you comments to find where you excoriated everyone who said Covid in any way similar to the flu?
      “You will require regular boosters” When did that happen, since these vaccines sure weren’t sold that way to the public in the beggining?

      “worldwide demand is about 5 billion ” That’s the entire population of the planet. That’s not “demand” that would be government mandates. Actual “demand” is dropping faster than Biden’s approval rating.

      Tetanus, that isn’t contagous; but yes, a decade – that’s ten years – after your initial innoculation you might need another. Or maybe not.

      Whooping Cough (Pertussis) is a bacterial infection not a viral one. You don’t get mandatory tests for the damn stuff and only see the doctor is you remain ill for an extended period.
      https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/whooping-cough/symptoms-causes/syc-20378973

      “…some of you appear to have fallen victim to what are classic infiltration techniques in that you believe that you actually have expertise in virology and epidemiology enough to differentiate between scientific concepts…”

      Discredit, disqualify. Rinse, repeat. 5 billion vaccinations. Then boosters. Then generation 2 vaccines. Then generation 3. Trust us, get the GOVT MANDATED shot. Then the next, and the next, and do not ask about side effects or exemptions just obey; or else.

      Thanks comrade walrus. Natural immunity is supperior to all these artificial creations. The survivability rate from this – if infected – is close to 100% for most the population. Feel free to take your own risks in regards to vaccinations.

      • Larry Johnson says:

        Homerun Fred. You saved me from skewering Walrus for being a propaganda stooge.

        • Eric Newhill says:

          Sometimes I wonder if Col Lang isn’t doing some kind of studies and observation and he has enlisted Walrus, as a study confederate, in the role of propaganda stooge (and TTG as well?) to elicit responses from the committee that can then be assessed for whatever they reveal.

          • Pat Lang says:

            Eric Newhill

            I keep people as authors because they are contributory and stimulating, like you both.

          • Barbara Ann says:

            Eric

            Walrus’ presence here as a foil is highly valuable, just look at the responses his comments elicit. Several people have also noted Walrus’ complete failure to engage when it comes to the question of natural immunity. Again, this is very useful intel.

            It is also informative to read “Since vaccinated people can still be infected and transmit the disease.. ..please get vaccinated”. Walrus clearly agrees that the “vaccines” won’t stop the spread or help us reach herd immunity – like we are incessantly told they will. They may well provide worse protection than natural immunity too. But they will help demonize the uncooperative and that’s what it’s all about, after all. I think we owe Walrus a debt of thanks for making his position so abundantly clear.

          • Eric Newhill says:

            Barbara Ann,
            I get your perspective and agree with it. However, the pro-vax preacing becomes so over-the-top at some point that I had to entertain an alternate explanation – entertain, not seriously commit to it.

            Btw, there is only one of us.

    • English Outsider says:

      What you’re saying, Walrus, accords with what the specialists and epidemiologists I happen to come across say. So either you, I and they are living in some fog of illusion or …

      I think it’s or.

      That said, I’m don’t know that much about the details of how it’s going in Australia or the States but I think I’ve got a line on what’s happening here. The superb efforts on vaccine production and distribution – and they really were impressive – are now mostly done and we seem just at the moment to not be doing too well. Have to see how it goes.

  12. j.+casey says:

    How, exactly, could any aspect of the federal government be held to account for blatant chronic lies? It sure looks like the accountability train, of even the most modest sort, left the station a long time ago. This is a post-Constitutional, post-Bill of Rights, post-rule of law, post-Truth world we have made for ourselves.

  13. scott s. says:

    I have a hard time understanding a rational reason why “officialdom” seems so determined to limit the search / utilization of therapeutics. Sure, if you love / put faith in the current vaccines by all means take them, but why not also pursue other avenues? We are so quick to discount Ivermectin as “horse dewormer”, even though 3.8 billion doses have been provided by Merck sicne the 80s for use primarily as anti-parasitical in poorer populations. The anti-viral capability (if any) can be argued, but why is it totally discounted, and asking the question results in social shunning? All the “just trust us” argument does is provide fuel for alternative explanations. Likewise appeals to this all-knowing truth called “The Science”.

    • Mark Logan says:

      Scott,
      The key tenet of science is knowing you don’t know it all, the opposite of all-knowing. The assertion that government and science lied assumes they did know it all and weren’t making educated best-guesses.

      • Barbara Ann says:

        Mark Logan

        Science can be challenged, what we are dealing with here is Scientism – a faith-based belief system.

        Trust in the Science with all your heart
        and lean not on your own understanding;
        in all your ways submit to It,
        and It will make your paths straight

        The new book of Proverbs

        • Mark Logan says:

          Barbara
          Are you suggesting the science which proves beyond all doubt that Ivermectin cures COVID is questionable?

    • Datil D says:

      Scott
      Remember the vaccines are EUA (Emergency Use Authorization), EUA can’t be granted if their are other treatment options available.

  14. Sam says:

    Check out @CDCgov’s evolving definition of “vaccination.” They’ve been busy at the Ministry of Truth:

    https://twitter.com/repthomasmassie/status/1435606845926871041?s=21

    A lawsuit in three acts
    Hey, Twitter, can you hear me now?

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/a-lawsuit-in-three-acts

    Alex Berenson was suspended from Twitter for saying that mRNA vaccines should not be thought of as vaccine since they don’t prevent infection. However, Rachel Maddow can spread outright falsehoods and @TwitterSafety is A-Ok. This is exactly why many Americans discount anything from Big Government, Big Tech and Big Media. Of course Big Business like Big Pharma are also increasingly not trusted. When disinformation and misinformation is SOP…

  15. blue peacock says:

    Something to keep in mind when considering FDA approval of a pharma product. This is from a CNN story in 2017.

    Patients might think the US Food and Drug Administration’s stamp of approval means that a product is the last word on safety, but about a third of the drugs the FDA approved between 2001 and 2010 were involved in some kind of safety event after reaching the market, according to a study published Tuesday in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

    The authors found that in that time, 222 novel therapeutics were approved, and there were 123 postmarket safety events involving 71 products that required FDA action.

    https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/09/health/fda-approval-drug-events-study/index.html

    With these covid vaccines when one digs into the actual approval documentation it becomes apparent that both toxicology & safety studies are only expected to be concluded in 2023. Considering the adverse reaction reports on these vaccines if it was anything but in this hysterical political-media environment would these vaccines have been approved?

    Furthermore, the original control group for the vaccine clinical trials no longer exists. So the Captain Obvious question: why these deviations from protocol for this particular set of vaccines?

    • Carey says:

      > Furthermore, the original control group for the vaccine clinical trials no longer exists. So the Captain Obvious question: why these deviations from protocol for this particular set of vaccines? <

      That is a fine, fine question. Likely answer: "Shut up and do as you're told!"

      nope.

    • akaPatience says:

      blue peacock – for DECADES now, I’ve been using a highly effective French sunscreen with an active ingredient the FDA has yet to approve! I seriously doubt safety is at issue in this case – the sunscreen can be purchased OTC in nearly any drugstore in Europe. IMO it’s proof that FDA approval can hinge on commercial considerations, not necessarily safety considerations.

  16. walrus says:

    So I’ve been hovering around this website since about 2005 just waiting for the opportunity to spread vaccination propaganda on behalf of big government and big pharma or perhaps the Chinese? Sure.

    Please get vaccinated (look up your Cicero).

    • Fred says:

      Walrus,

      It seems your feelings are hurt. I suggest go out for drinks with Ambassador Downer and celebrate your glory days. (Look up you Mueller).

    • KMD says:

      I have been vaccinated. Measles, Polio, TDAP, and most recently Shingrex . These jabs for Covid are not vaccines. They are non sterilizing and lose efficacy rather quickly. Israel is mandating 3rd booster shots now and planning on a 4th one.
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/virus-czar-calls-to-begin-readying-for-eventual-4th-vaccine-dose/
      So much for herd immunity!
      Here’s a balanced summery of where we are with these jabs.
      https://ourfiniteworld.com/2021/08/05/covid-19-vaccines-dont-really-work-as-hoped/
      You can keep your Cicero. I prefer Voltaire.
      “Those who make you believe absurdities can also make you commit atrocities”

    • JK/AR says:

      Hmmm.

      I actually remember far more of my Latin than I do of my limited Greek and yet you advise/suggest

      “Please get vaccinated) look up your Cicero.”

      So in this medical/health situation Walrus you’d have us looking to legal advice as opposed to say the Greek Hippocrates?

      Government officials now swearing to uphold whatever current medical fashions would have us taking comfort in? Would any of us even for one momentary moment – even you Walrus – have “faith” ol’ lawyer Cicero is gonna be coming around any moment to debate in the Senate [a] “standard of care”? versus say, a Hippocrates?

      Solicitors in Australia taking the Hippocratic Oath you’d have us think Walrus rather than some Legalisms Oath? And your [Australia’s] medical practitioners now swearing an oath in abeyance to Cicero?

      Such seems unlikely even to an ig’nurnt hillbilly such as myself.

  17. Sam says:

    Lockdown-induced school disruption harms poor kids. Richer kids are relatively spared.

    Lockdowns are trickle-down epidemiology.

    https://twitter.com/drjbhattacharya/status/1435589487095132169?s=21

    Newsom sent his kids to private school with in-person learning and partied at the French Laundry in Napa with doctor lobbyists who of course picked up the tab. All unmasked. Meanwhile he shut down in-person learning in public schools. Is California gonna recall him in a week?

  18. Sam says:

    “The most vulnerable right now are those who have taken two doses of the vaccine, not those who have never taken a dose”

    Israeli prime minister as he pitches for boosters.

    https://twitter.com/freedomisrael_/status/1435582637108863005?s=21

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