CNN – The Trump administration has fired the director and deputy director of the National Security Agency, the United States’ powerful cyber intelligence bureau, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the situation, members of the Senate and House intelligence committees and two former officials familiar with the matter. The dismissal of Gen. Timothy Haugh, who also leads US Cyber Command — the military’s offensive and defensive cyber unit — is a major shakeup of the US intelligence community which is navigating significant changes in the first two months of the Trump administration. Wendy Noble, Haugh’s deputy at NSA, was also removed, according to the former officials and lawmakers.
The top Democrats on the Senate and House intelligence committee, Sen. Mark Warner and Rep. Jim Himes, denounced the firing of Haugh, who served in the roles since February 2024, in statements on Thursday night.
Lt. Gen. William Hartman, an experienced military officer and the deputy of Cyber Command, is expected to serve as acting head of the command and NSA, the two former officials said. The news of the dismissals comes as the White House also fired multiple staff members on the National Security Council on Thursday, after Laura Loomer, the far-right activist who once claimed 9/11 was an inside job, urged President Donald Trump during a Wednesday meeting to do so, arguing that they were disloyal.
Loomer, who brought a list with roughly a dozen names of people she deemed insufficient in their support of Trump, also advocated for the firing of Haugh and Noble, two sources familiar with the meeting told CNN. During the meeting, Loomer told the president that Haugh specifically should be fired because he was handpicked by the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley. Haugh was nominated in 2023, while Milley was serving, to head up the NSA and Cyber Command. In a social media post overnight Loomer said, “NSA Director Tim Haugh and his deputy Wendy Noble have been disloyal to President Trump. That is why they have been fired. As a Biden appointee, General Haugh had no place serving in the Trump admin given the fact that he was HAND PICKED by General Milley.” She went on, “Thank you President Trump for being receptive to the vetting materials provided to you and thank you for firing these Biden holdovers.”
Loomer did not immediately respond to CNN’s request for comment on Haugh and Noble’s dismissals, however, she told CNN on Thursday that it “was an honor to meet with President Trump and present him with my findings, I will continue working hard to support his agenda, and I will continue reiterating the importance of strong vetting, for the sake of protecting the President and our national security.”
Cyber Command and the NSA declined to comment and referred CNN to the Office of the Secretary of Defense, which could not be immediately reached for comment. CNN has requested comment from the White House National Security Council.
Comment: Loomer’s visit to the Oval Office brings up images of Grima Wormtongue and Grigori Rasputin. Of course none of that would matter if Trump wasn’t absolutely addicted to the blind adoration and “charms” of Laura Loomer. This and yesterday’s other firings seemed to be based purely on accusations of sufficient personal loyalty to Trump. The question of red versus expert has surely been answered. God help us.
TTG
God help us indeed. I hope that someone x 100 in the Congress is ready to start using back hard! I just cannot believe how so many folks could so willingly give up all of their Constitutional power.
They are living on a different planet…maybe Elon has agreed to make up all of their portfolio losses.
no, Laura, you are the one living on a different planet.
“… when we act, we create our own reality. … we’ll act again, creating other new realities. … and that’s how things will sort out.”
we are experiencing the logical conclusion of this model. it’s not the Deep State, or the Shallow State, or Jesus’s Anointed State. It’s the Stupid State (w/ a side of cruelty) Running Amuck. a declared war upon the American people. while our vaunted Article 1 & Article 3 institutions listlessly agape on the sidelines. Nasty has gone from Win / Lose to Lose / Lose. no shock at all.
I’m all for it. “oh, the harder they come, the harder the fall – one and all.” from the pace of things & QC in the Human Resources Dept so far, pretty soon.
So you are a nihilist antifa adherent?
let’s see… let’s see.
at college in the ’70’s I was a nihilist for a very short while… may’ve been the academic pressure. & I’ve always been anti-fascist (brought up that way, thankfully) … but not much for contentious labeling over underlying truth. does that help?
Trump’s guys that leaked strike planning of US military aircraft in chat messages are still not held accountable. And now he guts NSA leadership. It’s like Bone-Spurs wants to open up our highest level of secrets to Putin, Xi and Khamenei. WTH is wrong with him?
Leith,
For the record, Trump’s guys didn’t leak anything. A scurrilous, treasonous, lying reporter, who should have dropped out of the convo and notified Trump’s guys about his being accidently included, was the leaker.
Eric Newhill,
The reporter was not authorized to receive that classified information Trump’s guys shared it with him. They leaked classified information.
TTG,
Yeah sure. The reporter had no agency or responsibility.
Your definition of “leak” is different than mine. You want to make it seem as if it was deliberate. It wasn’t; at least there is no proof that it was at this time.
Eric Newhill,
It wasn’t deliberate at all, except for talking about this stuff on Signal to begin with. That was a deliberate choice. That Waltz mistakenly invited Goldberg was just a sloppy mistake. It was still a serious security breach.
My understanding is the reporter had a two-hour heads up, but didn’t reveal anything until after the strike went down, so not really classified at that point.
Trump’s guys also shared those classified attack plans with Russian hackers aligned with Putin’s intel services. The only ‘leak protection’ that Dementia Donald has installed are his fat-man size XXXL adult diapers.
BTW your “scurrilous, treasonous, lying reporter” only published after-the-fact info that was no longer classified. So go ahead and charge that reporter with publishing national defense information without authorization; and watch the judge laugh it out of court, and the upholding by the Appeals Court and even by Trump’s Supreme Court.
Leith,
No. The rotten reporter deliberately spied on a convo that he wasn’t authorized to be a part of.
We don’t know how he found his way into the chat group.
Your allegation of sharing the plans with Russian hackers is straight out of whacko kookoo fantasy land. Didn;t happen except in the imagination of whatever anti-Trump sources you soak your brain in.
Where was your ire when so many Dems were in bed (literally in some cases) with Chinese spies?
You are just someone suffering from an extreme case of TDS.
Eric –
Both NSA and independent security groups warned of Signal Chat App vulnerabilities a month prior to Hegseth using it.
https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/threat-intelligence/russia-targeting-signal-messenger/
https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2025-03-26/national-security-officials-were-warned-in-february-that-signal-was-vulnerable-to-attack
Whiskileaks Hegseth may not have shared those strike plans with Russian hackers. But he put that info out there on the airwaves where it could have been exploited.
TDS works both ways Eric. MAGA has a bad case of Trump hysteria. In the end that’s going to bite all of us in the arse, no matter whether D or R or I.
upon deeper evaluation of the source, that psychosis has become more precisely defined.
Trump’s Derangement Syndrome.
it has been found widespread among backward-looking aged pols running out of time.
to keep up w/ the latest evidence, please bear this in mind every time you make reference, & share this latest research w/ those in the TDS community – I understand there is a support group forming. contact: West Wing, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC.
I can’t comment on Loomer’s “charms”, but you can read her explanation for this firing here:
https://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/1908013350866608261
It is – no exaggeration – the ravings of a demented mind in thrall to a cult of personality.
It starts with this:
Loomer: “NSA Director Tim Haugh and his deputy Wendy Noble have been disloyal to President Trump. That is why they have been fired. ”
OK, a serious allegation, Laura. I assume you can give examples of just such acts of disloyalty?
Loomer: …” the fact that he was HAND PICKED by General Milley”…
Pardon? That’s “guilt by association”, it isn’t an “act of disloyalty”.
Haugh can not be blamed for Milley having a high opinion of his professional abilities.
Anything else, Laura?
Loomer: “Why would we want Milley’s hand picked choice for NSA DIRECTOR?”
A good question, but that isn’t a question that pertains to Haugh’s “lack of loyalty”, it pertains to your hatred of Mark Milley.
Anything else?
Loomer: “we cannot allow for a Biden nominee to hold that position”
Why not? The accusation relates to Haugh’s character, not to Biden’s character.
I’m sorry, but this reads less like a case of “disloyalty” and more like you are frustrated that you can’t “get at” either Milley or Biden, and so you are taking it out on someone who is guilty of “guilt by association”.
Now, don’t get me wrong, these people serve at the pleasure of the President, and he can fire them for any reason he wants. Or for no reason at all. Whatever.
But the Trump Administration and its camp followers should at least have the good grace not to claim “disloyalty” when they can not actually, you know, demonstrate that acts of disloyalty have taken place.
I mean, it is axiomatic that Milley’s recommendation doesn’t demonstrate a “disloyalty to Trump” since Haugh wasn’t working for Trump when that recommendation was made.
Equally, being nominated by Joe Biden can not constitute an act of “disloyalty” towards Trump, and for exactly the same reason Haugh wasn’t working for Trump when that nomination was made.
YR,
All of Biden’s appointees who have been examined have been proven to be enemies of the country, God, our culture and the Constitution. Why take a chance by giving the DIRNSA people an opportunity to do some damage before being found to be of the same ilk? Clear the decks. Plenty of talent to replace those who are fired. No one is indispensable.
Of course, if you equate the corrupt status quo with “democracy” and are a big fan of open borders, the deep state, waste/fraud/abuse of tax payer dollars, gender confusion insanity, Hamas, China, globalism, socialism, etc, like CNN and a lot of people here, you will squeal about the firings.
Security risk? Yeah same people making that noise are all for letting unvetted people from all over the globe just enter our country at will – and paying for them to stay here nonetheless, while some engage in violent criminal operations and others, no doubt, in plotting terrorism. Sorry if I can’t take your “concerns” too seriously.
This appears as just so much more “Orange Man Bad!” hysteria from the losers who, absorbed in their cult of self-righteousness and midwittery, are challenged to understand that the majority of America totally rejects their nonsense, which is why they have lost.
Eric, I’ve already said that I do not dispute Trump’s right to dismiss anyone in the executive branch for any reason whatsoever. Even for no reason at all.
That is his prerogative.
What I am saying is that Loomer is claiming that the reason WHY these two were dismissed was “disloyalty”, yet she produces no evidence whatsoever that would support that accusation.
Being acquainted with Mark Milley is no such evidence.
Being nominated to the post by Biden is no such evidence.
Now, if Trump wants to dismiss Haugh because “I don’t like holdovers from the Biden Administration” then he should say that, and so should his camp followers.
If Trump wants to dismiss Haugh because Trump is paranoid then, again, he and his acolytes should say that, rather than throw around accusations that they can’t back up.
If Trump wants to dismiss Haugh because “I don’t like him and he has a creepy smile” then, again, sure, as good a reason as any. But Trump and Loomer should say that’s why Haugh was sacked rather than make a slur that they can’t prove.
YR,
Fair enough, but it’s politics. So things get a little stupid.
Eric, to my mind there is a big difference between “it’s politics” and “that’s slanderous”
Loomer slandered Haugh, and then failed to back up her claim with evidence.
As far as I’m concerned that is a despicable act, irrespective of the motive or the circumstances.
“Good grace” are not words that Trump or anyone around him even know how to say…much less understand and act upon.
Laura Wilson,
You and your fellow travelers just cannot accept that your values, such that they are, have been rejected. You have lost. Polls show that Trump’s popularity keeps increasing, up significantly since the tariffs. And no, it isn’t some white racist base. He’s up with Blacks, Hispanics and young people (age 18 – 29).
By all means, keep the anti-Trump protests going, with the signs stating that “Socialism will overcome fascism” and speeches by loony illegal immigrant, gender confused, losers. Keep the Soros judges demanding to return deported criminal illegals. Keep defending fraud, waste and abuse in government. Keep up with the phony stories about Trump in the media that no one with a well balanced psychology and common sense believe any longer. Dig that hole deeper, please. Trump may even get a third term if you do.
I don’t think a lot of people know how expensive Trump will be, even if it was known before he was reelected. But they are now about to find out. The downward trajectory that has started will build momentum all on its own to go with what will be added by the addled. There are quite a few people with 401Ks and they will get very upset as the economic destruction continues. I am considering going to Tractor Supply and buying up all the pitchforks. The demand could become huge.
If Looney Loomer is Rasputin, that would make Trump into the Empress Alexandra.
Laura Loomer is not the only critic of NSA:
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1897542825798971704
https://www.city-journal.org/article/national-security-agency-internal-chatroom-transgender-surgeries-polyamory
https://www.city-journal.org/article/nsa-whistleblower-trans-gender-ideology-dei
“Whistleblower: There’s a Trans Cult Inside the NSA
An insider tells the story of the intel agency’s ideological capture.”
https://x.com/realchrisrufo/status/1894064757142937904
(Take a good look at the screenshots referenced.)
How did all this happen?
That was a management issue at NSA.
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Concerning the NSA firings,
Senator Mark Warner criticized them, which produced this response, citing what programs NSA funds:
https://x.com/dogeai_gov/status/1907990347768008997
Keith Harbaugh,
I’m not terribly surprised about this trans cult stuff at NSA. Most of the cutting edge work done there attracts some really strange types, all kinds of strange types, hacker types, but not as toxic as this trans cult stuff sounds. Try to remove all the strange and you’ll remove almost all the real talent. Still, government systems are no place for that shit whether it be trans, straight or anything else like that. It’s bad enough standard “soldier talk” is full of all kinds of wierd-assed shit. It always has been… and it always will be. Surely you remember the bow-legged woman on a ferris wheel?
TTG,
Yeah sure the choice is mentally ill nutjobs or no one.
I love watching liberals implode like that.
Haven’t heard that ferris wheel cadence call since I was a pfc. Our platoon guide had to do a rug dance in front of the CO because that was in one of his cadence calls. Along with something about an SOB and a cathouse ditch when we were double timing past the WM barracks.
Yes, Laura is calling the shots. If she can get anyone fired on a whim she has enormous power. Everyone who meets with her now will act accordingly.
Aside: One of the Col’s favorite shows was “Wolf Hall”. I was grateful that he mentioned that as I loved it too. They started a second series recently. This time they surely intend to take the story of Thomas Cromwell to its historical conclusion. A tale of what can happen when enormous power is used indiscriminately by a King’s hatchet man? At any rate, the acting is (again) sublime.
After giving it a bit more thought, I don’t think it’s right to say Loomer is calling the shots.
Trump has tasked his people with finding disloyalty attitudes to himself in the government, and any person dispatched to conduct such a hunt will be reluctant to return empty handed. If the boss says there are witches you best come back with a few, lest you become a suspected witch yourself.
For problems NSA has experienced,
someone who should know,
Michael V. Hayden, who became DIRNSA in 1999,
has written a quite interesting account of those in Chapter 2 of his memoir
Playing to the Edge:
American Intelligence in the Age of Terror
https://g.co/kgs/86FCvUL
A sample:
A personal observation:
From what I could tell, back in 1974,
the civilian deputy director Dr. Louis Tordella
https://www.nsa.gov/History/Cryptologic-History/Historical-Figures/Historical-Figures-View/Article/1623001/dr-louis-w-tordella/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_W._Tordella
was the revered figure at NSA.
People spoke about him with a tone of reverence.
Keith Harbaugh –
Admiral Inman was a revered figure not only at NSA and CIA, but also throughout the Naval and Marine intel community.
Leith,
Then he’s most likely an inflamed hemorrhoid of the first order.
CNN claims …..
Senator Wyden (D-OR) was concerned about NSA spying on Americans without authorization and General Hough would not be confirmed until. Oh, wait, that was Politico just over a year ago. When Biden was perfectly healthy according to everyone but IG Hurr.
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/30/wyden-block-senate-vote-nsa-cyber-command-00129432
Let’s try again. CNN claims they have not one but two(!) sources “two sources with direct knowledge of the situation” ooooh direct knowledge of the “situation”. How intriguing. Tell us more company who forced Jim Acosta out of his job.
“…, members of the Senate and House intelligence committees, and two former officials familiar with the matter”
I especially loved the placement of the comma, is that significant? If only the blog’s English Major were still here….. I would hate to think two member of the Democratic Party are also the “members of the Senate and House intelligence committees” and would rather think it would be 4, plus the two former officials, making 6, plus the 2 people “with direct knowledge …” thus 8; rather than the 2 senior democrats being both the two with “direct knowledge” and all the rest, backed up only by two people who got canned somewhere along the line.
Further CNN implies that causation of the removal is “Laura Loomer”, who, like Santa Claus, and Gru, had a list. I had one two. Changed the oil in the car, bought the steaks, hit the gym, forgot the lotto ticket though. Darn. Now back to causation. I have it on low authority that the real reason Trump fired those two was not NSA spying on Americans, but because at lunch he had a Diet Pepsi. Because as you recall Coke said “Be Less White”. So he acted Black, like Barack. And started firing generals, just like Barack did.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/coca-cola-racism-robin-diangelo-coke-b1806122.html
BTW wasn’t Milley the CJCS at the time of the great Kabul Victory Flight? Did anyone get fired for that? Was he also the CJCS who called his Chinese counterpart without authority because he disagreed with the Civilian in charge of the armed forces?
Fred,
Loomer, herself, claimed she told Trump that Hough was not sufficiently loyal to Trump and had to be fired. And she’s about as far as possible from being a Democrat.
TTG,
Schiff said he had evidence too. Then there was Hilary’s wonderly well funded dossier, and all the rest. FFS a troll getting even you to blow up a nothing story over Trump cleaning house just like Obama? Please.
Fred,
A troll that went into the Oval Office with a hit list and came out with the NSA leadership fired along with some NSC staffers.
TTG,
It is foolish to think that is the causation of those individuals being removed from their positions.
TTG,
This entire line of thought is actually ridiculous.
No one knows why Haugh was fired. Trump made the decision and he isn’t saying why. Loomer made a brief comment on X involving a facet of her way of thinking. So what? Assuming that a silly X comment is the entire explanation is foolish. Perhaps the real reasons are classified.
Eric Newhill,
The silly X comment was just a final footnote to an in person meeting in the Oval Office between Trump and Loomer with the list of nonbelievers that needed banishment.
Fred…I want to Wish You the Best in your Move out of the Florida
Swamp..And In To The Shenandoah Valey…At a Timely Point i Your Life..Congratulations..God Speed..
On The Matters..Posted About Donald J Trump,,And Loyalty And Firings..
He Has to get Past His Imperial Manner..and Airs..And accept That Our Founding Fathers…Especially President Thomas Jefferson…Made Our Nation And Government A Constitutionally Created System Of Checks and Balance
Of The Government Ane the Presidents Actions..To Prevent This From Becoming Nation of Tyrrany.. and That System..is NOW being Engaged..
JIM
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Looks like there has been a tightening up of personell in leadership positions in the US and the Middle East .England need to clear out its rats nest of spies and traitors too
Listening to Loomer is bad enough, but Trump listens to Navarro and that is worse. The denizens of Wall Street are having a bad reaction to it. Especially Navarro’s imaginary economist.
Lars – Musk agrees with you on that!
https://www.axios.com/2025/04/05/musk-trump-tariffs-navarro-tesla
But maybe Musk doesn’t understand that there’s no such thing as Free Trade. If there were most Western economies would be in an even worse state than they are. There can be no “level playing field” for the world to trade in freely when labour costs vary so much. Plus conditions of work, environmental regulation, currency manipulation, all the rest of it.
Make Americans work for quarter pay or less and live in slums and American industry might have a chance of competing in a Free Trade world. As it is, it doesn’t. There should be a placard on Trump’s desk, nice and big so he can’t miss it, saying “RICARDO IS DEAD!” And on the desks of the economics professors, including the great Michael Hudson, who are almost all uniformly behind the times when it comes to comparative advantage. These out-of-date theoreticians will do for us if we don’t look out!
Wouldn’t do any harm, if there’s a placard left over, to give one to Musk as well.
On what sort of compensatory mechanisms to employ, and not forgetting that tariffs are but one of those mechanisms and there are several varieties of those too, this article sets out the pros and cons and how they’ve been applied in the past:-
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/reciprocal-tariffs-are-not-enough/
I found it too compressed to read easily and much of the argument taken for granted rather than expounded. It also doesn’t consider services, where both the US and the UK are strong.
But unless one wishes to see deindustrialisation taken even further, with all the national security implications of that as well as the implications for social stability, Trump’s approach, for all his approach does rather resemble a bull having a happy time in a china shop, is the way to go. And MASA wouldn’t be a bad motto for the baseball caps. US solvency is getting to be something of an urgent problem too.
Tariffs also discussed in Rob Campbell’s weekly round-up:-
https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly
There’s a good article there (low down) that rejects the Trump tariff in toto. So does much of what I read on the subject. I think most of your readers, TTG, are also dead against them. I still don’t see why tariffs should not be part of a strategy to bring industry back home.
That is so essential. It was the lack of a strong and self-sufficient industrial and agricultural base that led to the Brexit debacle. No country, not the UK and not even the massive United States of America, can be called independent if it can be brought to its knees by trade pressure exerted from outside.
Russia was taught that lesson in 2014 and took careful note of it. The Germans are maybe a special case since they are in danger of being brought to their knees by trade pressure exerted by themselves, the chumps, but the principle remains the same. The US is so accustomed to exerting trade pressure on others that it perhaps forgets such pressure can work both ways. No independence without a strong economy and without a solid industrial base there can be no strong and self-reliant economy.
For that, outsourcing must cease and industry must be brought back home. Isn’t it ridiculous that Russia, a country of some 140 million, has the industrial base to outperform several times over the entirety of the West – a billion of us! – when it comes to turning out arms? Where’s the sense in letting our economies go as far downhill as that? Not that turning out arms is any useful end in itself but that failure illustrates how weak the western economies have become.
It doesn’t take as much as you’d think turning things round. I wrote to Dr Campbell explaining that:-
On how tariffs affect prices in the shops.
The tariff will be on the value of the goods as they enter the country. The price the importer pays for them.
Before the goods are sold to the customer there will be distribution costs, sales taxes of various types and markup added. So the price to the consumer of a tariffed item will not rise as much as all that. A 100% tariff, for example, would double the price the importer pays but it would nowhere near double the price the customer pays in the shop.
The markup on imported goods varies widely, particularly with branded goods. Often it’s many times more than the factory gate cost plus shipping of the item itself. Where this is the case a tariff will not affect the final price much because that markup, and all other in-country costs, is not tariffed.
There is no easy way of determining how much a tariff will affect the final price. The markup varies according to which class of item is being considered and besides, most of the data needed is commercially confidential and cannot therefore be released. But the assumption one sometimes sees – that a tariff of, say, 50% will result in prices in the shops rising by 50% – is an assumption that can be nowhere near the mark.
In fact, and in very many cases, the difference between local factory gate price and foreign factory gate price plus shipping is so small that even a low tariff can in some cases result in local production becoming competitive again.
That’s what Trump’s after. Tilting the balance back to favour of local production.
On some goods the difference between local and foreign factory gate price is of course high. For those goods, prices must rise steeply if industry is brought back home.
So? We can pay the extra directly and have production at home. Or we can have production abroad and pay the price indirectly in the cost and social disruption of having men sitting around doing nothing. Only the first can result in a viable economy and without a viable economy there is no viable state.
Your problem, EO, is that most of what you have to contribute is theoretical. In the real world, no matter where you are, you will seek out the producer who will make what you need and to a reasonable price and the expectation that you will produce in a reliable manner. Borders no longer matter as much as they used to. However, tariffs can upset the proverbial apple cart very quickly. I was once in the trucking business and got to see the JIT delivery system up close. I also got to see the consequences when it broke down. As far as I know, nihilism has never worked other than breaking things and I do not expect that to have changed.
Pilgrims..of All Kinds…I find it Interesting that the Organization….Has Gone After The NSA..and that NSA..Sponsers,,Platforms Like Ours.. And that I was Accepted..into This Community..A Very GOOD one..
The NSA..is the Most Secure System We Have Fi
was … “was the most secure system…”
There’s worse than that, Ked. Much worse. Should Security let you anywhere near the White House you’ll catch fragments of this song. No disrespect to your new President but maybe not as tuneful as this rendition –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nXPQbKZBbw&ab_channel=ThePetersens
In the early days of the new Presidency Putin sent President Trump a picture. Marked, we all hoped, a distinct thawing in the relationship.
Didn’t work out. The Russian/Chinese Alliance turned out to be the safer bet. “I’ve got the picture, and Xi’s got you” is all that Trump’s now left to sing.
disrespect? naah – no big deal – it’s another must-see reality show to learn how & how soon he’s consumed by natural forces. wind, rain & heavy storms can wash away the good… & bad. obscure the view & tire viewers.
Cline can’t be beat, though that Petersons girl’s voice sure is pure. at that level there’s little competition… only a very few others. here’s one long rolling along America’s roads, who’s songs have weathered well. both will last.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJd7sc18bI
In Response to English Outsiders Comment RE: Putin and China And current
Events..There Is One Scenario I Anticipate Now. The IDF..will Attack And Destroy
Iran’s,,,,Country..To the Ground..No Defenses…SOON..
That Event Will Draw BOTH Russia ..And China Away (From Taiwan) To The Gulf
for Control..,,,They are Capable Of Handling Any Gulf Resistance IMO..
JIM