Trump’s lawyers met with the Department of Justice, but the political prosecution of him will continue

Trump lawyers James Trusty, John Rowley, and Lindsey Halligan (left to right) arrive at the Justice Department. Image via CBS News and Robert Legare

By Robert Willmann

On Monday, 5 June 2023, lawyers for former president and current candidate Donald Trump went to the main building of the Department of Justice in Washington DC to meet with the special counsel John L. “Jack” Smith about the federal criminal investigation Smith is conducting against Trump. Attorney General Merrick Garland, after the mess and criticism following the search warrant executed at Trump’s residence in Florida on 8 August 2022, decided to offload the push to prosecute Trump to a special counsel under the federal law authorizing “special attorneys” [1]. This kind of a meeting between prosecutors and defense attorneys does happen while an investigation is going on and before a criminal charge is filed, and not just in high profile cases. In its proper form, a discussion will be had about issues in the case, and whether it should proceed.

Because the Justice Department was used for political purposes against Trump starting with the 2016 presidential campaign, the meeting on Monday of this week would certainly be futile from the standpoint of his lawyers. And it was, since the rumor of today, 8 June, is that a “target letter” has been given to Trump’s attorneys. This is most likely true.

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58 Responses to Trump’s lawyers met with the Department of Justice, but the political prosecution of him will continue

  1. Fourth and Long says:

    Steps 1 thru 12: Classify 29 billion documents. (When there exist a total of 29,000,125,075 documents in total).
    Step 13: Here’s a bunch of those documents you asked for Sir, I’ll just put them in the trunk of your limo.
    Step 14: Thanks I’ll call from Florida.
    Step 15: tik tok tik tok tik ..
    Step 16: I’m under what?

    • Billy Roche says:

      None of this matters. When the DOIJ, FIB, and DIA (Dom. Intel Agency) combine to make up stories against a political opponent they don’t like, fool the FISA Ct. (w/o penalty), are promoted by the socialists press we are on our way to the communist trials of the late 20’s, 30’s, and 50’s. Did not anyone notice FIB swat teams, with accidentally present “news” teams, sent to arrest an American citizen at 4:00 am when it could be done at 10:am w/o the dogs. The silence from the press and socialist/dems can only mean assent. Now we question why it has taken the FIB over three years to put together a case against H. and J. Biden while that same DOIJ unveils a new case against Trump every few months.

      • Fourth and Long says:

        A- Requirements for a case vs Trump: Typewriter, coffee.
        B- Requirements for a case against Biden: Video tapes of man in Room A.

        • LeaNder says:

          coffee is a must, I may have to give up. …

          I am drinking what is considered American style coffee over here. Extra thin. But up to the time I go to bed.V

          So all I need for the Trump case is a typewriter.

          perfect: Since, I do not have a clue what video, of what man, in what room A?

          • Fourth and Long says:

            You can take your Tripe Whiter, no?
            Watch out for the Cough fee. It can steep your tea bags.

          • LeaNder says:

            Oh dear, sure I have. A clue, that is. The son with his willing paid wish-fullfiller? Maybe?

          • Fourth and Long says:

            I bungled my A’s and B’s. The idea was that there was a room A where paid lawyers/writers were fabricating a case v Trump. And to make a case against Biden (Room B) it would suffice to have tapes of the people in Room A doing the fabricating. Because it would show how baseless the accusations were, being in fact a political hit job. I would better have written: In Room A, all the requirements for a case against Trump, and on the next line – in Room B all that’s needed for a case against Biden.
            15 yards, forfeit the ball and automatic first down? (As my penalty).

            Just to be clear to the people who hassle me by calling as I type this stuff (it turns on phone camera and microphone) – I am not a Trump supporter. I’m just an old man who is a frustrated humorist. I fully understand that he should be prosecuted for something, I’m not sure what as I’m not a lawyer. The documents sting though is in my opinion rather seedy. Yes, he is no choir boy, I fully acknowledge that. My political party? The Silly Party. See Monty Python. By the way, does anyone get why they called themselves that? 🙈

      • LeaNder says:

        Did not anyone notice FIB swat teams, with accidentally present “news” teams, sent to arrest an American citizen at 4:00 am when it could be done at 10:am w/o the dogs.

        Billy, in this case the “FIB swat team” was training with dogs for arrests where the suspect was expected to run/flee? Is this related to the Trump case? Dogs were present for collecting documents? They arrived at four in the morning, while everyone was sleeping?

  2. Sundance over at CTH has two excellent columns on US Code 793 being used against Trump:

    if the media reports are accurate,
    Jack Smith is now relying on 18 U.S. Code 793,
    a law created in 1948 intended to stop contractors to the Defense Dept from stealing, selling, or copying U.S. defense system secrets, or patents on defense products.

    Main Justice is now stretching Code 793 to claim
    any document the government designates as a
    “national security document”
    is a national defense document.

    I am almost certain this is because the 11th circuit court of appeals ruled
    the DOJ can label whatever it wants, in any form it wants.
    As long as the DOJ claims it is a national security interest,
    it becomes a national security interest.

    The DOJ is granted legal benefit of the doubt on all matters of national security,
    which puts the DOJ-NSD in ultimate control over the star chamber they operate.

    The DOJ has already predicated the baseline of their claim by saying
    they cannot tell anyone, even the court,
    what the nature of the documents are that underpin their assertion. Remember, they wouldn’t even let a court appointed “special master” review the documents.

    Stop and think about that for a moment.
    NO ONE knows what the documents are, and the DOJ has stated they will never say what the documents are.
    The DOJ is filing a case about the mishandling of documents, in whatever legal construct they put forth,
    while simultaneously saying they are under no obligation to tell anyone what the documents are.

    See also:

    On June 2nd former Mueller special counsel and impeachment operative, Andrew Weissmann and Norm Eisen respectively,
    published their current Trump prosecution memo
    using a novel and arcane interpretation of US Code 793.

    • Billy Roche says:

      Fear the swamp, oh fear the swamp. It will destroy any and all who rise against it. Yet the dopes await w/glissening jaws, the demise of Trump. Fools, he is us.

      • Fourth and Long says:

        Toys Are Us, Billy. Have you heard of it, do you see what it means?
        It means We Are Toys.

        • Billy Roche says:

          Telling. Amusing, even the “smart one’s” among us don’t realize they have been trained to react to images. Literally pictures of who the socialist press says are bad people. The images appear on the front page of the NYT and the lambs (if they could), growl. The press has fed them again and again and the lambs, call for knives; well for the “other” lambs. When FIB swat teams come for them at 4:00, who will stop them? It can’t happen here, can it? The RINOe is part of the swamp and so are the socialist. Is there anyone w/a scintilla of common sense who believes the Judiciary are not political operators also? The intel community aren’t wed to truth. How you use intel is more important than truth. They cling to power. In fact, the DOIJ, FIB, and Domestic Intl. Agency are the problem. I’d better be careful what I say… after all, whose to stop them.

          • Fourth and Long says:

            “The Intel” spells Thiel Net. He runs a lot of that stuff and makes fortunes on top of fortunes. Farther to the right than Hitler, which Thiel almost spells out except for the r. His spells El Hit. Pretty close. Also Heil T. I guess it’s T time after all.

      • Laura Wilson says:

        Speak for yourself. I know (and knew) a con when I see (and saw) him running for POTUS.

        • Billy Roche says:

          You saw the image the socialist media showed you again and again, and again. You accepted what you were shown.
          The witless evening comedians got laughs from it. Tack on equally witless “celebrities” looking for attn from that same socialist media and you were hooked. Let the scales drop from your eyes. The gov’t has taken over the people. They only thing left is for the people to be disarmed.

          • Fourth and Long says:

            It’s your soapbox and you argue well and I like you. But those comedian twerps like Maher & Colbert and the others are about as socialist as a member of the fortune 500. They are fantastically wealthy paid employees of gigantic international corporations who are into all sorts of stuff from communications, media, pharmaceuticals and most particularly the weapons industries. That’s why I don’t like them. Not because they are commies. If they are commies so was Joe McCarthy and J Edgar Hoover. They aren’t even particularly funny or original if you account for the fact that they have well funded writers who manufacture their skits and routines. Have at it though. In my opinion your 100% right but not for the reasons you say. You remind me of my dad who signed up the day after Pearl Harbor and got out on Dec 31 1945. Good luck finding a more patriotic guy. Before he died on July 4th 200X he repeated your exact words – wouldn’t carry a gun for this place given what it became. He despised communism. He had a great job as an assistant professor at a top University but in 1950 he wanted to reenlist in the Air Force for Korea. I agree with you that in so many ways we do definitely resemble lunatic commies now. To my mind it’s more the American exceptionalism thing and the Ayatollahs from the days of the Puritans combined with some Calvinist concepts such as huge wealth being a sign of divine chosenhood and poverty a sign of damnation – coupled with the financial corporatism that have morphed us into a predatory behemoth. But you’re right. These people are police state jerks raised to a very high power and that’s why you call them indistinguishable from the KGB or Napoleon’s secret police. Just my two cents.

        • Glenn Fisher says:

          Curious what you saw when you looked at the professional grifters Biden or Hillary…

    • scott s. says:

      The Espionage Act was enacted in 1917 subsequently codified as 50USC31. In 1948 it was recodified as 18USC793.

      From what I can tell, most prosecutions have been for disclosure, not possession. Historically the ACLU has considered 793 unconstitutionally vague (I’m sure they will support Trump on this).

      DOJ has a Mens Rea hurdle to get over on this. I assume the goal is to not actually have the case heard; rather to tie up Trump at critical points in 2024.

  3. Al says:

    The most effective witness vs Trump will be Trump.

    • mcohen says:

      The last thing putin and co. expected was trump for 1 term only.Biden being elected completely changed the landscape.The absolute dodge of century.The election was wicked and Trump took the fall leaving putin holding the grenade with no pin.

    • Billy Roche says:

      That is not the issue.

  4. Fred says:

    Well, at least nobody reported on the WSJ article showing Zuckerberg’s ($400 million for election ‘security’) instagram was promoting pedophelia and child sex trafficing.
    Welcome back Pizzagate!

    Or the stories about Ukraine’s Burisma:
    “President Joe Biden was allegedly paid $5 million by an executive of the Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings, where his son Hunter Biden sat on the board, a confidential human source told the FBI during a June 2020 interview, sources familiar told Fox News Digital.”

    At least the DOJ is sinking their fang-fangs into something.

    • Fourth and Long says:

      It’s clear finally. At last. In the name Zuckerberg, you replace the letter Z.
      S is second best. You’ll get it soon, I’m sure.
      (Post grads see an h after k written in invisible ink).

    • Al says:

      Fred. Barr sunk his teeth into that alleged “payoff” to Biden and spit it out. Just a rotten nothing burger. Right wingers keep chewing on it though! lol, lol,lol

      • Al:
        See what Barr himself says
        (not the lies that come from Jamie Raskin and Adam Schiff):

        Barr addresses Biden bribery probe shutdown questions,
        urges Hunter investigator to ‘fish or cut bait’

        Former Attorney General William Barr on Thursday fired back at a top Democrat
        who has claimed he shut down a probe into Biden bribery allegations being run out of Pennsylvania during the Trump administration,
        telling Fox News that he is mistaken.

        [Barr said:]
        it was provided to the ongoing investigation in Delaware
        to follow up on and to check out.

        Your claim that Barr “spit it out” is a pathetic lie.
        Enough with the leftist disinformation.

      • For those who don’t trust Fox News,
        Barr confirmed that he did not shut down the Hunter investigation in this interview with Margot Cleveland:

        “It’s not true. It wasn’t closed down,” William Barr told The Federalist on Tuesday
        in response to Democrat Rep. Jamie Raskin’s claim that
        the former attorney general and his “handpicked prosecutor” had ended an investigation into a confidential human source’s allegation that Joe Biden had agreed to a $5 million bribe.
        “On the contrary,” Barr stressed, “it was sent to Delaware for further investigation.”

        There’s lots more highly significant analysis concerninin Cleveland’s article.

        • Fourth and Long says:

          No, it’s not Barr in the literal sense. He’s a factotum for huge corporate & financial interests – former Cia. And he’s a very smart lawyer. He knows how to tell the so-called truth while evading the issues. In other words, Bottom line – make a fist. You’re looking at him.

  5. Poppa Rollo says:

    The shoe has now dropped and Trump has been indicted
    Ordered to appear in federal court in Miami on Tuesday following indictment on federal charges related to document handling and obstruction of justice.
    The curious want to know how much Mark Meadows flipped on Trump.

    • Fourth and Long says:

      Mark Meadows the Omelette chef?
      Ex President finds his M&Ms to be nutty.

    • Al says:

      PR, That Trump conspiracy charge requires at least one other person. Meadows?

      • Poppa Rollo says:

        for Al, believe that conspiracy will focus on the dudes who humped the classified documents around Mar a Lago to prevent their return. Meadows’ role in selecting and shipping the documents down to Florida is also possible.

        • mcohen says:

          The documents were mostly old copies of playboy.They were scrapbooked a to z with stormy doing covers.
          The document story is fake like the Russian crap.accuse accuse then dur with a ham
          round and round.rinse and repeat till the New Trump is sparkling.

          • Fourth and Long says:

            Is this analogy in the ball park?

            Stormy is to Trump as Exner is to JFK.
            (Note Store me = Stormy, and his doc storage looks to be his come uppance.)

            I will now reveal a highly classy fried secret.
            Exner = Ex NER = Ex Naval Ensign Reserve. Check it out. John Fitzgerald Kennedy was in fact a former Ensign in the Naval Reserve (USA).
            It could be a clever Found In Bed (FIB) shorthand coed, er, code for their lady mole in the Why Toss.
            Deadly silly giveaway deep art meant: Would the Fiends In Bed (FIB) ever, do you think, infiltrate a top-flight Chicago mob boss? I’m thinking of Slam Gee I’m Gonna, Who Judith Exner was said to be dating at the mine where she was digging JFK. Could the Jud in Judith be a shored tan for Judge or the Ju for Justice?

            Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
            I think we have the makings of a surrealist expose.
            Shadow – do wash, won’t you? Did you the Washing in Washington? Yes, a ton.

        • Fred says:

          You mean the DOJ is going after a GS13 and a bunch of WG-9’s who loaded all that up? Seriously, get with the democratic party + RINO election strategy.

      • Fred says:


        Vladimir. Oh, sorry, wrong conspiracy.

      • leith says:

        Al – It was his butler,Walt Nauta.

        • Fourth and Long says:

          Waltine to his close friends, Leith. Just an everyday name Waltine Nauta. A nautical Walton? Or is Nauta Not a?
          Sort of like Store-my Daniel Websters. Wasn’t the a 9 season TV series The Waltons? 1972. Olivia Walton, John-Boy W, Esther W, John W Sr, Erin Esther W, Mary Ellen W, Elizabeth W, James Robert W, Jason W, Benjamin and Zebulun Tyler Waltons.

          Waltine, The Saltine. In some copy today he’s Waltin. Let’s see .. does it suggest Waltz In. As in “Waltz In, Nauta problem?” I think it kinda does but maybe not. As you see above Judith Exner (“Judge It, Ex Naval Ensign Reserve” – said to the victims upon disrobing, I bet) and “Storm Me, Dani Yells” use very suggestive abbreviations. The feisty poodle sniffers may have been Storm Me’s idea.

          It’s time for my favorite song and favorite singer.

          Vladimir Zhdamirov and the group Butirka – Zapakhlo Vesnoi – The Smell of Spring:

  6. Whitewall says:

    Weaponized government against political enemies. The Framers suspected it. The old USSR is smiling from somewhere.

  7. Lars says:

    To claim that this is all about politics are just excuses. There appears to be plenty of probable cause in this case and now it is up to the legal system to work as intended. It is important to show that nobody is above the law. If not, then a lot of crimes will be committed and excused as political. If Trump is convicted, so be it. He appears to have provided plenty of evidence all by himself and his past actions have made him overpaying for mediocre lawyers and that will not help him either.

    • Fourth and Long says:

      I just finished watching Napolitano and I’ve changed my mind from the pov expressed below earlier in a separate post. I think his goose is cooked. What could change that? Enough political uproar to the degree that the government folds. On a purely legal basis, he looks finished. N estimates that he’ll be tried on the espionage and obstruction charges in June 2024, right before the Republican convention, which is slated for Milwaukee Wisconsin. I don’t know if you know the saga of Huey Long the “Kingfish” of Louisiana. Ultra populist of American 1930s. Nor do I know if the cartoon character Baby Huey was a reference to him, but it comes to mind. Especially with a mental image of Donald Trump in mind. It’s too bad. He was very funny and personable, highly entertaining and no joke, much much smarter than the dopes at the helm since as far back as I can remember. What a damn pity.

    • Billy Roche says:

      Comey, Clapper, Hunter, Joe, Hillary …, don’t kid yourself, some are above the law. This is political punishment of opposing ideas. Don’t worry. No one will do anything about it. Be glad w/what you approve… political tyranny. Enjoy when its your turn for a four am FIB swat team/w dogs and machine guns and media coverage to scare the rest of us. Nawww, can’t happen. Oh yeah, whose going to stop them. The KGB could not arrange things better.

      • Fourth and Long says:

        You’re right on the substance. I think the charges themselves are ludicrous. I’m sure he is a serial jaywalker too. It’s unlike anything I can remember. Al Capone. No way. Closer to the crucifixion of Christ as idiotic as that really sounds. Maybe Jake LaMotta in Raging Bull. @As to whether this man was a sinner, I do not know. I only know that I was blind, and now I can see.@ ( paraphrase sans Chapter & Verse – final frames of the movie). Oh well, Fbi and Pharisee start with the same letter (ph is f in several non latin scripts). Fair, I See. Farce, more like it.

        More seriously, he did f up “bigly bigly” on HangU Wary Sixth. He needs to go to Elba or St Helena for that. Also a complete f in joke. Because we lost the Republic years ago. See President Carter, see the famous Princeton study. Or best of all see St Gore Vidal. Look what they did to Richard Milhous Nixon. An advocate of detente, a man who actually governed the country through the most dangerous epoch in human history (Ike was sick and elderly). I despise these liberals. Because they ain’t even liberals, they’re stuck up you know whats. If they weren’t such swine themselves..

        So they get to pretend we live in a nation of laws. Yep. Laws the Clintons and Congress change so they can rob the world blind -“legally!”

    • Laura Wilson says:

      So far no one has mentioned that a grand jury approved these indictments and the charges. Last time I checked, a grand jury is made up of ordinary American citizens. Has anyone here ever served on such a jury? I don’t think you need to go all “Deep State” on this—a group of regular folks thought Trump had done things worth bringing an indictment. Perhaps, had any one of us been on that jury…we might have agreed.

      • Fourth and Long says:

        That’s right Laura. No way in Pete Buttigieg and husband Chasten’s America does a jury ever mysteriously fill up with Flying By Instinct Aged Gents. I don’t think so.

      • Billy Roche says:

        Golly jesse some regular ole folks cidind to idict yup. Some one of yew fellers pass me another “ham samwhich”

      • Fred says:


        Indictment means “guilt” and we should just dispense with a trial where pesky rules of evidence and defense counsel are asking questions.

      • scott s. says:

        I did a year on the county grand jury. I would say they are not designed or equipped to deal with this sort of issue. More typical along the lines of “is there probable cause that John Smith did control a propelled vehicle without authorization on a certain date in the City and County of Honolulu”.

  8. rick says:

    Rorschach v. Rorschach: the case where everybody’s psyche decides what they see on the paper.

  9. Fourth and Long says:

    Judge Andrew Napolitano just uploaded his legal analysis. Watching now.
    He says no one knows yet what the charges are exactly. My take? It’s an utterly preposterous step and purely political, and unlike the judge I am not a fan of Trump. However joe b..
    So it’s probably just a nothing fricassee for clicks.
    Trump indicted on 7 counts – Andrew Napolitano

    • TTG says:


      That’s a good analysis by Napolitano, no hyperventilating about the injustice of witch hunts or expecting our ex-presidents to be subject to the same legal codes that the rest of us are. We have to wait until next Tuesday afternoon to see the indictment, then everyone can begin hyperventilating. I was surprised by his statement that if trump is convicted of what’s supposed to be in the indictment, he will go to federal prison. He didn’t equivocate on that point. But I can’t figure out the logistics of a Secret Service protected individual in prison. I’d hate to be on that detail. Napolitano also said that would not stop him from running for president in 2024 or beyond. I was already pretty sure that was the case.

      • Fourth and Long says:

        Yer afraid he’d be Epsteined? Clever, TTG. God damn you are a smart cookie. Aside from that, yes, the Judge, who I vehemently disagree with on gun control, did an excellent job.
        On your imprisoners dilemma – solution just hit me. It’s contained in the good Judge’s surname.

  10. Babeltuap says:

    Clarence Thomas. United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit. Democrats love dragging their prey through the mud for years. There is zero value in not doing so. If the “legal system” works as they intend this could go on for a decade.

    • Fourth and Long says:

      Sorry, I have an illness:
      Clarence Thomas
      Ohms Accelerant

      Beats me. Electrical resistance unit – Ohm. I think you can spell Catecholamines from his letters. I forgot what they are. Back to the drawing board. I’ll start from Moth and work from there. Ok:

      Clarence’s a moth. Wait, Clear Sea Month. But leaves out a c.
      Lear Aces, no, Not HM Ear Laces .. that’s got promise. If we had another s we’d have Not HM’s Ear Laces. Not her majesty’s ear Laces. Not bad. There’s a smear in there. Later.

      I for one, really never liked Long Dong Silver one bit. Do you remember Anita Hill? She said that’s how he referred to himself while trying to get her in the sack, and the media found the photo of that porn star. You really would rather not know but some cartoonists had a field day. My joke at the time was probably something about a president named Bush. I thought it was made up for subconscious appeal to the male vote. Sort of like why Leave it to Beaver was such a hit show. Father Knows Best was actually Fat Her .. Best Father’s impregnate, making the woman fat. I’m a very sick man but I try to use it in the service of my _ _ _ _ Tree. Oops.

  11. LeaNder says:

    Robert, may I suggest something?
    Knowing that there is very little recourse against such actions done by a governmental department with the legal authority to initiate criminal prosecutions and other proceedings, intellectually corrupt people in those departments will just do it — a political prosecution or other harrassment.

    intellectually corrupt:

    Legal definition: intellectually corrupt are people that help steal elections and then legally harass the truly elected for trying to counter and make public their counting-manipulation-conspiracy.

    • Fourth and Long says:

      LeaNder, What I’d like to know is – why did they hang Chad’s?
      It was in an old episode of To Win the Bush. From the year of White Too Kay?

  12. ked says:

    everything in the civic sphere is “political”. {is this news to anyone, aside from those who’ve just landed on this planet?} if it’s the Deep State (whatever the heck THAT is) that animates, just pick your poison.
    clear, simple, obvious positions are revealing. incumbents or wanna-bes? violent domestic insurrection or non-violent constitutional means?
    at the rate folks hyper-ventilate on so many varied political topics it helps to know where one sits, stands or flys on the most basic political matters – goes far to explain much that follows.

  13. mcohen says:

    I wonder what’s in the docs they never found.The ones they came looking.Anyway Nauto is the new Michael Cohen.Australia should be alert for that east coast salami

  14. Poppa Rollo says:

    According to the transcript of an taped interview Trump gave in 2021
    “The transcript appears to suggest that Trump is showing the document in question to those in the room.

    It says, “Well, with Milley — uh, let me see that, I’ll show you an example. He said that I wanted to attack Iran. Isn’t that amazing? I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this — this is off the record, but — they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him,” the transcript said. “We looked at some. This was him. This wasn’t done by me, this was him. All sorts of stuff — pages long, look. Wait a minute, let’s see here. I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know. Except it is like, highly confidential. Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. This was done by the military and given to me.”
    This dude was commander in chief? Do you really want him back in the saddle?

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