“What Ghislaine Maxwell’s conviction in Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking trial means for Prince Andrew” Telegraph

The Duke of York and friend

“The court also heard how Prince Andrew had been among those who flew on Epstein’s private jet, nicknamed the “Lolita Express”.

In seeking to get their own case thrown out, the Duke’s lawyers have sought to paint Ms Giuffre as a money grabber who is simply after “another payday at his expense”.

Some experts believe the decision not to call Ms Giuffre as a witness at Maxwell’s trial could work in his favour, if it was made, as suspected, because her various inconsistencies were unlikely to withstand the rigorous scrutiny of the criminal court.

The attempts to “smear” her credibility and motives have been criticised but may now hold even less sway in the court of public opinion.

Prince Andrew has insisted he has no recollection of meeting Ms Giuffre but makes no such claim when it comes to Maxwell.

It was Maxwell, an old friend, who introduced him to Epstein in 1999. It was Maxwell who invited the Duke to her London home to meet Ms Giuffre and Epstein when all three posed together for that now infamous photograph on her landing.

It was Maxwell who is alleged to have told Ms Giuffre the following day that she had done a “really good job” and made Prince Andrew “really happy” after having sex with him.

And it was Maxwell who was so often there at the Duke’s side, from Ascot to palace balls, shooting weekends to holidays at the Queen’s Balmoral estate and even Princess Beatrice’s 18th birthday party. Telegraph

Comment: Rumor has it that Ghislaine Maxwell was a “cooperating source” for British intelligence, specifically MI-6. It would have been easy work for the network of Oxbridge “boys” to recruit someone like her for the purpose of amassing data with which to pressure Epstein’s “friends” for yet further cooperation. Her relationship to “Smiley’s People” was probably why she thought herself invulnerable and was surprised when the FBI showed up at her door in New Hampshire.

She is going to get a de facto life sentence. Her only hope is to “sing” for the US Attorney who prosecuted her. Joe Biden in his phony role as an avatar of one of the “Molly McGuires” does not like the British, “death ships” etc. and would not IMO be likely to obstruct further pursuit of the “johns,” including Prince Andrew.

Could Maxwell also have been a source for Mossad? Quite possibly.

Would the prosecutors want to fully expose Bill Clinton’s role in all this? I dunno. pl


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41 Responses to “What Ghislaine Maxwell’s conviction in Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking trial means for Prince Andrew” Telegraph

  1. Babeltuap says:

    I suspect her reward will be a pardon eventually. The record is sealed. Her mouth is sealed. Do some time, everyone involved is happy and it all evaporates.

    • Fred says:


      Gishelaine Maxwell did not kill herself. Too early for that?

      “The record is sealed”.

      You mean all the evidence of who did what to whom is in the hands of the Russia Collusion-Crossfre Hurricane professionals and associated friends. I’m sure that nothing, including innuendo, will leak out before the 2024 election. Nor will anyone be coerced into doing or voting for anything.

      • akaPatience says:

        Fred made an excellent point. For instance, if Trump runs for POTUS next time I won’t be surprised if around, say, October of 2024, we’ll be reading MSM innuendos about rides he took on Epstein’s plane. It doesn’t take much imagination to foresee that, with Maxwell trial evidence sealed, the usual “anonymous sources” will be employed, just like in the Russian Hoax. But I have to believe if he’d boinked any of those young girls, it would’ve been used against him already and we would’ve heard about it by now.

        Since Hillary Clinton’s been trying to talk her way into White House candidacy consideration lately, even going so far as to criticize the Biden administration (oh, the courage it took to diss a guy with such stinking poll numbers), it’s a certainty that at least part of the rationale of sealing Maxwell trial evidence is to cover up her husband’s Epstein-related profligacy. But I’d LOVE to know who else is being protected. Is it a coincidence that Melinda Gates filed for divorce from Bill Gates, known to have associated with Epstein, 10 months after the FBI arrested Maxwell?

        Inquiring minds want to know.

        • Fred says:


          They already made those inuendo’s about Trump, though your idea is well taken. That’s the point about providing some plane trips that are on the up and up. It’s cover for the nefarious ones and allows the brush to be applied broadly when needed.

    • Bill Roche says:

      Again and again I read that all the records are sealed. Why are the records sealed? Does anyone know if sealing is common or peculiar to this case.

  2. Sam says:

    I don’t understand the emphasis on Ghislaine Maxwell possibly “naming names.” The feds could get plenty of “names” from the now-grown teens. The fact that other male participants in this thing weren’t already prosecuted suggests a done deal, does it not?


    The fact that the CD-R and other documentation recovered from Epstein’s homes are all sealed, implies that Ghislaine was made the fall guy. Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, Bill Gates, Larry Summer, Alan Dershowitz, Les Wexner and even possibly Donald Trump ain’t gonna be investigated let alone prosecuted.

    The coverup is complete. Ms. Comey did her job. The powerful pedos got the job done.

    • Pat Lang says:

      If so, why was she not simply tipped off and allowed to escape?

      • akaPatience says:

        If allowed to escape or elude justice, could she have gone on to attempt blackmail, “sung” publicly and be paid well for it? There must be some pretty powerful and prominent “Johns” in that group besides the feckless Prince Andrew that so much effort’s been made to conceal and resolve this situation for once and for all, including the possible assassination of Epstein while he was in prison. As it is now, she’ll go to the slammer and the evidence is sealed.

      • Sam says:

        Col. Lang

        My theory is that the heat was too much with the many media stories gaining momentum. A scalp was required. Ghislaine was the easiest and simplest to nail to protect the powerful.

        I will be shocked if Bill Clinton and Bill Gates get a subpoena to testify to a grand jury. Isn’t it interesting that none of the recovered photographs have been released and all the recovered evidence is now under seal?

        There’s more than meets the eye here. All the way back to the sweetheart deal Epstein got from the then Miami US attorney and Trump’s labor secretary Acosta who said the decision was made up on high at the DOJ. The list of high profile politicians and executives in Epstein’s orbit despite his conviction and the media attention on his “operation” and no real inquiry by the FBI and DOJ attorneys leaves many questions unanswered and leads to much speculation as to why these powerful men have not been investigated.

        Here’s a picture of Slick Willy getting a neck massage from Andrew’s accuser.


    • JerseyJeffersonian says:

      Sam and All,

      Well, it just got better with the announcement that all charges against the two prison guards, responsible for checking on Epstein every half hour who, having admitted to instead sleeping and falsifying logs to cover up their dereliction of duty (if that’s what actually happened…), have been dismissed by federal prosecutors.


      Just cleaning up any potential loose ends, doncha know.

    • Sam says:

      U.S. ends case against Jeffrey Epstein’s jail guards


      Dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.

      • JerseyJeffersonian says:

        But wait, it gets better. It turns out that the charges were dropped on December 13, right in the middle of Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. We are assured that the guards had discharged their duties to cooperate with the prosecution’s “investigation” into Epstein’s death in custody, as well as the stipulated community service.


        So, the “investigation into Epstein’s demise reached its (pre-ordained) conclusion, making this the correct moment to tie that one off. And how very timely this was! No doubt the guards were well acquainted with the dictum, “Snitches get stiches”; I suspect that this played a role in their most excellent cooperation. And future silence on the matter, as well…

        • JerseyJeffersonian says:

          Funny that the announcement of this withdrawal of charges was delayed until after the verdict had been rendered in Ms Maxwell’s case, no?

          But I suppose one needs to keep up the appearances in these matters.

  3. walrus says:


    “I suspect her reward will be a pardon eventually. The record is sealed. Her mouth is sealed. Do some time, everyone involved is happy and it all evaporates.”

    I am sure that is something like what she has been told….

    The reality is that while she lives she is a potential witness against Clinton, Andrew and a host of others as well as the only surviving participant in what must be a major intelligence operation by ,,,, ,,,someone. She still has much information that could be of interest to someone else.

    I don’t think she has very long to live. My Father explained that to permanently keep a clandestine operation secret involves severing not one but two links in the chain. Epstein was #1, Maxwell is #2. All that remains is to write the script for her demise. Epsteins script was “dumb and dumber prison guards”. The two obvious remaining easy ones to me are the “Accidental drug overdose” and “violent fellow inmate” scripts.

    P. S. Am I the only one who thinks the “Golden dome” on top of Epsteins private island ‘temple” was cover for a satellite uplink? Good video takes a lot of bandwidth.

  4. Leith says:

    How long before she is sentenced? I’m sure they are pressuring her now to get a lower sentence if she names others.

    As for Andrew, he is supposed to give a deposition soon. But will probably dodge it.

  5. Tidewater says:

    Why not just simplify the whole issue by making the age of legal consent of male, female, etc. fifteen years old? Then license any person who wants to become a legal sex worker at age eighteen. Professional earnings would be subject to taxation. There would be legal rights and protection for the sex worker which would be enforced. If gifts and fees are paid to what is essentially an apprentice –or more likely someone sexually adventurous from fifteen to eighteen before establishing a more independent (sexual) life or marriage– some portion of that income should be required to be invested in a bank/savings account for further education, but released to the individual at that point when a license is obtained. The state could provide a counseling center or clinic as well, covering a whole range of issues that are around sex, including hygiene, medical, legal, education, investment possibilities in mutual funds, website design/ maintenance, etc.

    Isn’t this what the Italians do? Actually, I think the age of consent is fourteen there.

    • akaPatience says:

      Well Tidewater, it looks like you’re taking a more libertarian approach to the situation. I can kind of understand it in a way, as it wasn’t that long ago when teens routinely married and began families. But if the TRUE purpose of the Epstein/Maxwell endeavor was to control influential people by entrapping them via illegal sexual behavior, then it’s possible your plan would put even younger girls in jeopardy in order to carry out the plan. I doubt if many clients of that sort would mind if a sex partner were 12, 13, or 14 years of age – or even younger.

      • Tidewater says:

        This is amazing. In Germany it’s fourteen! This means that the children of the Zoo station who were made famous by the cult film Story of Christiane F (‘Wir Kinder vom Bahnhof Zoo)’ were LEGAL?
        In France it’s fifteen. Denmark, Sweden are fifteen.
        Too bad about Ireland, where it’s 35. Though you can get a dispensation from the priest and a government carryover loan to pay the fees if you absolutely must start earlier.
        (Just kidding.)

        • Poul says:

          You need more knowledge about the specific law in each country.

          For example in Denmark the 15½ year consent rule is only if you are of a comparable age. A 28 old bedding a 15½ year old would be charged with exploiting a minor. But not if it was a 19 year and a 15½ year old.

          In a court case where there is a big age gap the judges would also evaluate the mental maturity of the minor. A very mature 15½ year old could result in an acquittal of the older person evolved.

          • LeaNder says:

            The German law is comparable. It’s a crime that has to be prosecuted by the state. It wouldn’t work in Christiane F’s case, assuming her costumers weren’t her age. Likewise, it may not work either if one of the active juveniles exploits a weaker or handicapped child. It may be based on a EU directives concerning sexual exploitation of children. Austria seems to define further down the line age difference of three or four year, which obviously matters. …


  6. Deap says:

    How many junior high kids should be on the docket for “underage sex” too? How about those high school teachers bragging about grooming teens to join gay affinity groups? Agree, “age of consent” needs a serious realignment in today’s “hook-up” culture.

    A lot has changed since Nabokov’s Lolita and the 1960’s. Not for the better necessarily, but it has changed. Roman Polanski would probably agree.

    • Lysias says:

      Edgar Allan Poe married a 13-year-old. His poems indicate that he deeply loved her, and that her untimely death very much upset him.

  7. Extra says:

    As the Times of Israel observed of her father
    ‘He was buried on Jerusalem’s Mount of Olives in the presence of numerous Israeli intelligence figures, and eulogized by then prime minister Yitzhak Shamir. Amid reports of his links to Britain’s MI6 intelligence, the KGB and Mossad, Shamir declared that Maxwell “has done more for Israel than can today be said.’

    What is the likelihood that she inherited her father’s Mossad connections?

    • jim ticehurst says:

      I suspect you are right..The Mossad Dial In has long been rumored…I suspect thats why so many Well Known Names..Felt secure with Making a Connection..To Play and Pay…without Fear..There are no other Logical Reasons…for thier Trust and False sense of Security…I am Suprised at Bill Gates..and some others for being so careless…Jefferson Clinton..I can Understand..Im Suprised He didnt Drag Joe Along. But who knows Whats behind the Masks..The Sealed Stuff…Perhaps going to Bull Durham…for Grand Jury Material..?? The Hangman has Not Yet..Finished..Nor has the Inquisistion..

    • Lysias says:

      Ehud Barak was a long-time friend of Epstein and Ghislaine, and was head of Israeli Military Intelligence around when the Epstein intel operation was getting started.

      • Pat Lang says:

        Ehud Barak was in charge of IDF GS intelligence when they ran the traitor against us. He used to smile at me all the time. You people are incredibly naive.

  8. Eric Newhill says:

    IMO, Everyone thinking there’s a deal Maxwell’s future is making the assumption the DOJ/FBI actually wants names. Too many big democrats at risk. So no deal for Maxwell. She’ll probably just die an untimely death in prison.

  9. Deap says:

    There will be an appeal, she will slip her captors and be helicoptered to a waiting jet and flee to some reasonable country with no extradition – like Qatar. Where allegedly it was rumored the Clinton’s also purchased a $5 million condo – safe house?

  10. ancientarcher says:

    MI-6? Surely you mean the Mossad Colonel

    Her father was in deep with Mossad. Mossad agents helped Epstein throughout his career. Wexner was Jewish who harboured strong loyalty to the Israeli state and who was primarily responsible for the money that Epstein had. Ehud Barak was a frequent guest at Epstein’s. Epstein’s protection agents were all (ex) Mossad.

    I don’t understand where you get the MI-6 part? The only connection of this whole operation with the UK was entrapment of Prince Andrew and being the birthplace of this lady. But we can all agree her father was more loyal to Israel given the funeral and what was said there.

    It was all Mossad. This lady was probably the handler for Epstein

    • Pat Lang says:

      ancient archer

      Intelligence agencies have no friends. They are aways at war with everyone. If you think the British agencies are our friends, you are sadly mistaken. She probably was hooked up with the Brits, the Israelis and possibly one of the Russian agencies. How do I know? A little bird told me.

  11. Jim says:


    It is unlawful in Massachusetts state court system to make public any information when sex-related crimes involve minors. This is the norm in state and fed. courts.


    It is as if the court case “does not exist” as far as public is concerned, in such mattes.

    Such court records [which are from police records and prosecutor records] must, by law, remain sealed.

    This is analogous to grand jury proceedings being strictly confidential, or secret.

    However, some testifying to a grand jury can talk, say, to the press.

    This is generally the vehicle by which the news obtains information on grand jury proceedings.

    Should any of the victims of this panoply of perversion, pedophilia and perfidy so choose to share with the public such documents, they could be free to do so.

    It clearly is not in their interest to do so to extent doing so would damage chances of any criminal convictions now and later. Justice for them, already delayed decades. . . .

    The point about absolute confidentiality [sealing] of records involving alleged sex crimes was a matter directly related to what Senate Democrats made a circus out of during Kavanaugh supreme court confirmation hearings. [Though one would not know it from reading BigMedia, nor from listening to D and R Senators on Judiciary Committee.]

    Christine Blasey Ford’s GoFundMe: $647,610 raised.


    On November 21, 2018, she wrote the following on that page:
    “Words are not adequate to thank all of you who supported me since I came forward to tell the Senate that I had been sexually assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh.”

    I would further encourage her to set up another account, for her Stockholm Syndrome.

    Living in this state, I was inundated by all manner of statements/opinions from friends and family, on how Ford was victimized by that awful rapist-Republican Kavanaugh who served under President Bush the younger, etc.

    Every last one of these faux-Liberals —I gave the same response, after hearing their rant:

    1] Sen. Feinstein, who became aware of Ford’s willingness to make such claims — Feinstein, as a lawyer and as a sitting Senator, her FIRST duty/OBLIGATION was to protect Ford, and her identity as victim of alleged rape, as a minor — to make sure Ford reported this alleged crime to the jurisdiction in which it allegedly happened.

    2] As a minor at the time of allegations, all this would be confidential, and Ford’s anonymity would be protected — the record would be permanently sealed, period.

    3] Feinstein would have had rational reason, were this to occur, to ask Sen Grassley for delay, which he would have granted.

    4] There would have been an investigation in confidence, a criminal investigation, by the relevant authorities.

    5] A criminal indictment of Kavanaugh for rape would have ended his chances to become justice of supreme court, it goes without saying.

    6] This Investigation, however: would have come up empty, with ZERO!

    7] This was the only process that thinking and rational people would have taken, were anyone actually and seriously believing Ford’s rape allegations.

    8] Had Feinstein herself and/or her staff believed them, this is obviously what they would have done!

    At this point in my conversations with the fake liberals, they wanted to either change the subject or accuse me of misogyny.

    At this point, I told all of ’em, one by one, in each conversation:

    1] Feinstein did not act according to the best interests of the alleged victim, Ford.

    2] Feinstein was OK with allowing an alleged victim, a minor at the time, —have to “re live” all that “horror” and so on and so forth.

    3] What does that make Feinstein?

    The conversations devolved at this point.

    At which point I said I have no use for Kavanaugh and he was a terrible pick; however, destroying a man’s reputation and doing so under guise of defending women’s rights when, in fact, Feinstein purposely FAILED another woman, by allowing her to be exposed. . . is getting this morality play upside and backwards.

    Ford should write a book, it could be titled:

    “How Sen. Feinstein and the Democrats Mentally Raped Me”


    Sen. Feinstein and the Democrats Exploited Me, They Broke Me”

    Kavanaugh could write the forward to either book.

    I would be happy to write Epilogue.

    All proceeds could go to her GoFundMe account, or to a shelter for battered women.

    In all due seriousness, how is Feinstein’s treatment of Ford any different from Maxwell’s treatment of minor children?

    They both spring from the same moral turpitude.


  12. mcohen says:

    How did epstein and maxwell run an operation for 30 years on their own.no way.they must have had serious backup.
    Serious money chasing after young girls.absolutely laughable.not even believable not for one second.
    no,the girls were a smokescreen for more serious and high stakes shenanigans.
    think.what is the one thing a person who has everything could possibly want.
    only one thing comes to mind.long levity.epstein was throwing money at The fountain of youth.Just ask the queen

    • Barbara Ann says:


      “Serious money chasing after young girls.absolutely laughable.not even believable not for one second”

      You find the idea of rich and powerful men being interested in (& potentially vulnerable through) sex with underage girls laughable? Please explain why a “smokescreen” of recording sex with underage girls is required for your theory.

      A good chunk of the serious money funding the op was provided to Epstein by (or at least through) Les Wexner, who by some accounts is not even fond of girls. Is this more misdirection – what is wrong with the Occam’s Razor explanation that this was a kompromat op targeting (mostly) Americans in positions of power run by one or more foreign intelligence agencies?

      • blue peacock says:

        Leon Black gave Epstein $150 million for “tax advice”. Wexner gave him the Manhattan townhouse for a few bucks. Epstein transferred $30 million to Ghislaine who in turn transferred tens of millions to her “husband” Scott Borgerson.

        Epstein had no real job. His “wealth” was the wealth of the billionaire movers & shakers that they shared with him.

        If the DOJ and FBI leadership wanted to get to the bottom of this they had decades to do that across both parties tenure in DC. None of them have clean hands. The victims who are the troubled & underprivileged girls are expendable. A few of them will get paid off in settlements.

      • mcohen says:

        barbara.start here

        1.why did all these “actresses” store all their photos on icloud


        2.hillary clinton lost election trump elected
        3.weinstein arrested
        4.epstein arrested

  13. mcohen says:

    this is the important part

    “According to security expert Nik Cubrilovic, in addition to the photographs, other personal information such as text messages, calendars, address books, phone call logs and any other data stored on their phones and backed up to the service were also likely stolen”

    this is also worth a read.2014-2016 was a busy time online.4chan was going flat out.note the cia projects


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