By Robert Willmann
At a campaign rally today, Saturday, 13 July 2024, the week before the Republican nominating convention, gunshots were fired at Donald Trump and a wound was seen in the area of his right ear.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-bleeding-rushed-stage-after-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rally
Update, 7:37 p.m. This is a video of a person interviewed by the BBC news network of England for four and a half minutes who says he saw a person with a rifle prior to shots being fired at the campaign event—
My luck. Just when I ran fresh out of popcorn.
Parallel with Dallas ..
JFK was shot in Texas and Texas was the home state of his Vice President LBJ, who according to several investigators and books was a suspect in the assassination and immediately benefited from it because it made him president.
Donald Trump was shot in Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania is the original home state of Joe Biden who is Trump’s opponent and person who benefits the most from elimination of Trump.
Not much of a parallel but I’ll take it.
JFK and LBJ were usually referred to by their initials – Y or N? Or did Johnson adopt the 3 initials in homage to John Kennedy as an offer of respect and a subliminal attempt to make the public think that JFK lived on because the new president was referred to with 3 catchy letters? Anyway I was 11 years old back then and don’t recall if he was called “LBJ” before November 22, 1963. But after all these years this is the first time I noticed about the 3 initials. Probably with high probability they were both emulating the beloved Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt who was almost always called FDR. People of earlier generations likely noticed that immediately.
20+ seconds into the video we see Crooks very enigmatically addressing an imaginary online audience. (The rest of the clip is fairly typical, no need to watch). I don’t know what to say other than that my first impression is that he’s an individual with very high intelligence. Certainly is intriguing and highly unusual, allowing for how it may be fake etc.
Who is Thomas Matthew Crooks?
https://youtu.be/hscfQlBqDpw
And that’s the election in the bag for Trump. He handled himself well – more than looking presidential, he was presidential. Certainly more than Biden can muster.
I’m not a Trump supporter, However, this does remind me of the question Napoleon asked Colonels he was considering making Generals: “Are you lucky?”
The man has nerve and he has luck.
It also looks like he’s going to have his right ear re-built . . . .
anEnt,
Trump showed he has balls – and that he leads from the front. Agree, the election is now his. That said, the deep state or left (same thing, really) will take another shot at him. Looks to me like Trump may have divine protection. He will win.
In Milwaukee with a delegate. A handful are here but our full delegation gets here tomorrow, and I think folks will be super stocked.
questions the struck me initially… was the shooter;
insane (a la Bremer, Chapman & Hinckley)?
an unknown self-activated Lone Wolf?
an activist known to others in the context of political violence?
connected to a domestic group / organization(s) active in political issues?
connected to a non-domestic group / organization active in political issues?
&… what is the extent to which facts of the event will soon become overwhelmed by emotional &/or public image management efforts for partisan & material gain?
On insanity we’ll never know because his brains were blown out immediately. Best guess is that he was a misguided idealist of some variety. Think Gavrilo Princep or Fanny Kaplan more than a Squeaky Fromm or John Hinckley though personally I think there’s much about Hinckley we were not told.
Prediction: his former teachers will be interviewed.
F&L,
Best guess? Who is this Hitler guy that the left, and Joe Biden, has been railing about for eight years? Any chance “an individual with very high intelligence” would trie to Save America? Just like the left wants? Let us not call out the obvious eight year long gaslighting that has been waged on ‘fine people’ to provoke one to do just this.
Fred,
20 – 8 = 12. So the dude has been absorbing the gas-lights since a young age. Did you happen to see that Crooks “stands with Ukraine?” If needed I can find a link for that. The video (which TTG thinks or knows is fake) left me with the intuitive impression that he’s a fellow with a good sense of humor. And he won some minor math scholastic award. I’m not nominating him for a Nobel prize anytime soon — it’s similar to why I think Jeremy Irons is intelligent – he played the Oxford Mathematics don G.H. Hardy in that movie on the Indian savant Svinirasa Ramanujan. It’s very difficult if not impossible for a stupid, dull person to convincingly portray a very brilliant man such as Hardy. So tho I know little to nothing about Jeremy Irons (except that I dislike him) I conclude he must be quite intelligent because he managed the Hardy role pretty well.
I’ve been saying that this was coming. Not surprised in the least bit. The democrat filth and their scum media have been calling for this for years. It was only a matter of when, not if.
Two rally attendees were hit and one killed (so far). From what I can see on the video, it appears the victims were nice looking young women standing behind Trump. This is disgusting on so many levels. Btw, has anyone heard from our TDS infected correspondent, “David Kissinger”? He might be stretched out on a roof top in PA. It’s someone like him for sure.
The Secret Service f’ed up. No way that a rooftop with direct line of sight to Trump should have been left unsecured.
This is now unmistakably war. This is how the left wants to conduct politics. They’re not going to stop. It’s the kind of people they are. Conservatives/normal people have been too polite for too long. The left should now reap the whirlwind. If they are not dealt with in the harshest manner, we won’t have a country worth living in. What is “the harshest manner”? Let’s just say that the left is worse than the British circa 1776.
Yeah yeah. I know what people are going to say, “This is a time for cooler heads to prevail”. That is cowardice talking. The left doesn’t respect cooler heads. They see inaction as a sign of weakness and just keep pushing forward. The media won’t stop its total demonization of Trump, neither will Biden’s teleprompter. To them, it’s like having a chance to kill Hitler in 1933. It’s all fun and games until a lot of people start believing the crap those assholes shriek every day, which has happened. There is no way to kindly deprogram the army of zombies that have been created.
Well…
I am afraid that this not only apply to “the left” proper as commonly understood, nor exclusively to US politics.
I think that there are hordes of zombies worldwide of various persuasions not just the “obvious” woke-like, be they fundamentalists of any creed, techno-utopists, ecolo-crazies or good old proponents of “Year Zero”.
As I previously mentioned (somewhere I don’t recall) we are in for the Darwin Awards Olympiads.
Your comment is a perfect example of the sort of inflammatory and murderous rhetoric that inspires nitwits and the otherwise deranged to commit crimes such as this one.
So it’s wrong if I do it, but fine if 90% of the media and 50% of the politicians do it?
I figured it out a while ago. The left wants me and people like me dead. And I’m supposed to sit around and be calm and polite about that? Forgive me for deciding to not make it easy for you to complete your takeover of my country via your preferred passive aggressive methods. You may have to actually stand up and be something other than a rhetoric blathering coward to finalize your victory.
Eric the real pity here is that you dive off and swim in waters that are imo not necessary to swim in. With high likelihood this was an act of a person with some variety of mental/emotional illness. Fired 8 to 10 bullets into a crowded area killing at least one. Were Bonnie and Clyde leftists? I don’t think so. When they went on their rampage was the proper reaction to start or advocate civil war? The death penalty was legal then and used often. Apparently it didn’t do any good other than to satisfy urges for revenge.
How about Timothy McVeigh – a “leftist?” No, a mass murdering psycho and not much more, tho he had his personal story.
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Former classmate of Trump rally gunman says he was ‘bullied almost every day’.
https://youtu.be/NVMtQ4piGR8
A former classmate of the 20-year-old Pennsylvania man law enforcement identified as the shooter who opened fire at former President Donald Trump’s rally says he was “bullied almost every day” at school. NBC News’ Shaq Brewster reports on what is known about the background and life of Thomas Matthew Crooks.
F&L,
Come on, man. Bonnie and Clyde were not politically motivated. They just wanted to live La Vida Loca and get the money.
Maybe sometimes these mass shooter losers are “bullied” because they are twisted jerks. I haven’t always been an insurance guy. It’s a second career. In a previous life I had reason to get to know the profiles of all kinds of people at a deep level. Something about psychopaths…..they lie and they deflect responsibility. They also are keen to understand what BS suckers will buy.
They almost universally will tell you that their parents beat them, among other forms of abuse. Those reports are often totally false, or at least heavily embellished. However, when there is some truth to the psychopath’s tales of woe, drilling down into the history usually shows that the parents had been driven to their wits’ end by the psychopathic child’s outlandish behavior and recalcitrance and only then resorted to corporal punishment and/or abandoning him in some form.
Also, some kids with certain personality issues just can’t adapt to the usual friendly ribbing that boys to do all boys. They interpret it wrong.
So I always take these “bullied” stories with a grain of salt. Being bullied is hardly an excuse to go out and kill people.
Has the “narrative” machine been engaged to “round up the usual suspects”?
Russia Russia Russia?
Bomb bomb bomb Iran?
Unleash the narrative machine.
“violence has no place in ….”
Yep, the narrative machine is coordinating the platitudes.
The assassin can’t be a leftist American provoked by things like:
Trump is Hitler;
“Donald Trump and Maga Republicans are a threat to the very soul of this country” (Biden’s ‘Red’ speech)? Etc. etc. Any disavowals of the violent rhetoric from the left? Ladies of the View? Chuck “you’ll reap the whirlwind” Schumer? Anyone?
Oh, and Elon came out with a full endorsement, then called the head of the Secret Service the guardian of the Cheetos…
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1812297671119638647
Coverage of the assassination attempt that Biden, who is in perfect health and very capable to remain president, still won’t call an assassination attempt, continues.
The race is now seen as weak man vs. strong man.
What an iconic photo:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-just-created-one-of-the-most-iconic-photos-in-us-history
Trump is in grave danger, he was set up. Those that planned this didn’t expect him to win in 2016 nor did they expect him to survive this.
Cui bono?
The Russians, of course.
They’ll do anything to favor Biden. This about-face should come as no surprise. When their interests are at stake, the Russians are pragmatic. Biden is their candidate.
To that end, they will stop at nothing. We saw it clearly when the Russians thought Trump would favor them. What didn’t they do then?
When I say “the Russians”, I actually mean Putin. Once a KGB, always a KGB.
A more informative video, he doesn’t seem hurt much.
https://x.com/NChartierET/status/1812261541439234462
AnEnt,
They’ll keep on trying to murder him. It’s not over.
It’s increasingly probable that the shooter was a nihilist. Our children’s nihilism reflects our society’s nihilism.
https://youtu.be/30OgIFNmKNA
https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/mlkatimetobreaksilence.htm
MLK, 50 years old but more relevant than ever:
“As I have walked among the desperate, rejected, and angry young men, I have told them that Molotov cocktails and rifles would not solve their problems. I have tried to offer them my deepest compassion while maintaining my conviction that social change comes most meaningfully through nonviolent action. But they ask — and rightly so — what about Vietnam? They ask if our own nation wasn’t using massive doses of violence to solve its problems, to bring about the changes it wanted. Their questions hit home, and I knew that I could never again raise my voice against the violence of the oppressed in the ghettos without having first spoken clearly to the greatest purveyor of violence in the world today — my own government.”
The deep state made its move.
From: https://www.jfklibrary.org/learn/about-jfk/the-kennedy-family/robert-f-kennedy/robert-f-kennedy-speeches/statement-on-assassination-of-martin-luther-king-jr-indianapolis-indiana-april-4-1968#:~:text=It%20is%20not%20the%20end,who%20abide%20in%20our%20land.
Senator Robert F. Kennedy
Indianapolis, Indiana
April 4, 1968
Listen to this speech.
I have bad news for you, for all of our fellow citizens, and people who love peace all over the world, and that is that Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight.
Martin Luther King dedicated his life to love and to justice for his fellow human beings, and he died because of that effort.
In this difficult day, in this difficult time for the United States, it is perhaps well to ask what kind of a nation we are and what direction we want to move in. For those of you who are black–considering the evidence there evidently is that there were white people who were responsible–you can be filled with bitterness, with hatred, and a desire for revenge. We can move in that direction as a country, in great polarization–black people amongst black, white people amongst white, filled with hatred toward one another.
Or we can make an effort, as Martin Luther King did, to understand and to comprehend, and to replace that violence, that stain of bloodshed that has spread across our land, with an effort to understand with compassion and love.
For those of you who are black and are tempted to be filled with hatred and distrust at the injustice of such an act, against all white people, I can only say that I feel in my own heart the same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed, but he was killed by a white man. But we have to make an effort in the United States, we have to make an effort to understand, to go beyond these rather difficult times.
My favorite poet was Aeschylus. He wrote: “In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.”
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness; but love and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or they be black.
So I shall ask you tonight to return home, to say a prayer for the family of Martin Luther King, that’s true, but more importantly to say a prayer for our own country, which all of us love–a prayer for understanding and that compassion of which I spoke.
We can do well in this country. We will have difficult times; we’ve had difficult times in the past; we will have difficult times in the future. It is not the end of violence; it is not the end of lawlessness; it is not the end of disorder.
But the vast majority of white people and the vast majority of black people in this country want to live together, want to improve the quality of our life, and want justice for all human beings who abide in our land.
Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world.
Let us dedicate ourselves to that, and say a prayer for our country and for our people.
Source: Papers of Robert F. Kennedy. Senate Papers. Speeches and Press Releases, Box 4, “4/1/68 – 4/10/68.” John F. Kennedy Presidential Library.
Well, we know it was not Joe Biden ordering Seal Team Six to do the job; or there would have been a different outcome and according to the Supreme Court; they would have been fine with it. I am sure there will be a lot of right wing blather, but the shooter was registered as a Republican. The irony is that he also was another of the incompetent crooks. Anybody who thinks this was a defining moment, other than for the Secret Service is not dealing with reality. The vast number of Americans do not make up their minds about elections until September; and thus, any polling now highly suspect.
Lars,
The shooter supported democrats and leftist causes. He’s one of you guys, of course.
Eric Newhill,
There are also stories that the shooter was a registered Republican. That could be just as bogus as the fake that came out within hours of a video of an imposter claiming to hate Republicans. The only thing that seems reasonably clear is that he was a local resident who graduated from the local high school in 2022. Anything beyond that right now is conspiracy building.
TTG,
Good point. It takes a while for a complete profile to emerge. No sense in reacting to the scurrilous media’s attempt to spin this.
TTG –
Is this the video that you say is fake? Strange.
https://x.com/cancelcloco/status/1812353023714501054
F&L,
Yes, it is. The clown quickly realized he looked like the shooter and had some fun with it. He probably stopped laughing and promptly shit himself as the authorities showed up to ask him about the video.
TTG,
Where did you hear about the video being fake? If you’re right then I have to reconsider my evaluation of the person’s intelligence. Fred will be pleased at least. Fooled again?
F&L,
Here’s a couple of accounts of the fake video by some troll going by the handle of @jewgazing. He admitted it was a trolling.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2024/07/fact-check-thomas-matthew-crooks-jewgazing-picture.html
https://checkyourfact.com/2024/07/14/fact-check-photo-of-trump-rally-shooter/
None of my guys are registered Republicans and that info is public. I am sure more will be unearthed in the near future. The problem still is the type of gun that is too easy to obtain, even legally. That will not change until Republicans give up on human sacrifice.
Lars, he probably registered R to vote against Trump in the primaries. He sure looks like one of your guys. Scraggly little beard, long greasy hair. Classic ANTIFA.
Classic Eric Newhill sloppy thinking. “Scraggly little beard, long greasy hair. Classic ANTIFA.” Or every III%er or militia wannabe in Idaho, WYO, MT or Spokane. It always shocks me how little you know about our country.
Lars,
We do know that Joe Biden has called Trump an existential threat to the US. He’s not the only elected democrat to do so. Your words are simply more excuse making for the violence the left has engaged in for years.
Both sides have done this for years. To claim otherwise is a bold faced lie.
Stefan,
No. The Left has been far more vehement about Trump being the second coming of Hitler than any hyperbole from the right that has been aimed at the Left.
More importantly, the Left – the Trump as Satan crowd – has a far bigger audience. It’s virtually every mainstream media outlet with the exception of Fox News. It’s in the education system. It’s all over social media. So the left’s inflammatory rhetoric reaches a far larger audience.
Then there is the psychological profile of the leftist. They are more emotional and far less process driven/rational and, by definition, less respectful of the established order and its rules and norms; meaning a propagandized leftist is far more likely to go against societal rules – like the prohibition on killing political opponents in the USA.
When you’re priming for Manchurian candidates in the general population, you know you aren’t going to get 100% trigger pullers. You are working on the outliers. The few who will actually do it. The rest just supply moral reinforcement for the outlier killers.
The bigger the target population and the more ubiquitous your messaging to it, the more likely you are to get some real shooters. So the left has a huge advantage when it comes to unleashing kamikazes on their political opponents.
If you want to take an objective look at political violence, you will find that most of it comes from right wing extremists. Just take a look at what happened on Jan. 6, 2021. Just an hour before Trump got clipped, he was threatening violence and that is one reason he is seen by a lot of people as a threat and so are his enablers.
Lars
The antifa and BLM riots were left-wingers that destroyed a bunch of cities and killed over 30 people. 100 days of riots in Portland Or alone. Don’t tell me the left is more peaceful than the conservatives. I don’t buy it.
Which cities are “destroyed”?. How many people were killed? Compared to what happened at the Capitol, your examples are lacking. The security pros have stated often that they consider right wing extremism to be the biggest current threat and for good reasons.
Lars,
What happened at the capital? Who was killed – and by whom?
Lars,
correcting myself, they only destroyed parts of the city, burning buildings, raiding stores–liquor stores were popular. If you want examples, do your own research, since you never seem to know what is going on in the US.
They burned down a police station too. There were several murders. Everyone knows that. The left isn’t interested in truth, only in prevailing. The ends justify the means. Hence the mendacious argumentation.
The obvious questions to ask:
1) How many rooftops had line of sight to Trump on that stage?
2) How many of (1) had Secret Setvice/police snipers on them?
3) How many of (1) did NOT have Secret Service/police snipers on them?
If the answer to (3) is “just that one” then that begs a whole lotta other questions that just scream out for investigation, not least of which is “how did the gunman know to crawl onto that rooftop and not any of the others”?
YR,
No excuse. That rooftop should have been secured. The guy was even filmed by rally attendees taking the shots. See here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Ars3CuMIw
The FBI will do their damnedest to hide any links to the political left. Which will confirm everything we know about those bastards when independent people dig up those links to leftist ideologies. That’s my guess anyhow. Maybe, with time, some other profile will emerge, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
I am much more interested in the video showing that a Secret Service sniper had drawn a bead on that guy even before the shots were fired at Trump.
So they had him in their sights but waited until he had fired a volley at Trump, and then they shot him dead.
If that is true – and it looks to be the case to me – then your obsession with the political leanings of that shooter is misplaced.
He was ALLOWED to take those shots, which means this shooting is more than the work of one guy with “links to the political left”.
YR,
I saw that story. I think that is complete nonsense, like the guy claiming he was the shooter that TTG debunked up-thread. There will be lots of misinfo put out by both sides (left and right) and by just plain jokers, in the coming days.
The guy who I believe shot the psycho is on film. You can see that he has to adjust himself and his rifle after he hears the shots. He wasn’t aiming at the bad guy.
Eric, the post give the Police sniper’s name. Plain as day. So if it is “complete nonsense” then it will be easily refuted.
Time will tell.
And, no, I don’t see the sniper “adjust himself and his rifle”.
Go to youtube and slow the videos down to x.25 times slo-mo. There is a very handy visual guide – a white post right in line with the suppressor – and you can easily judge the line-of-shot using that post.
The sniper is ALREADY training his gun on a particular line, he (very briefly) raises his head as the shooter fires at Trump, then he very quickly lines up again and returns fire.
The line-of-shot before he raises his head is exactly the same as the line-of-shot when he lowers his head back to the scope.
Then he fires and the recoil (and there is a LOT of recoil) renders everything from that point on moot.
What YOU claim to be an “adjustment” is to my eyes the first moment of that recoil, which by definition means it comes after he pulls the trigger.
YR –
Both videos I’ve seen plainly show that the counter sniper had not drawn a bead on on the shooter until after the shots were fired. His earlier point of aim was not the shooter. He was focused on longer range distances until the shots were fired and then he had to lower his line of sight to take aim at Crooks. Looks like he changed his azimuth slightly also.
https://x.com/i/status/1812383798740324380
https://www.9news.com.au/world/donald-trump-shooting-the-diagram-that-shows-just-how-close-shooter-got-to-rally/9f26340c-37a0-467e-8061-a90e2b310010
I’d be interested in your video. Can you post a link?
leith, I have a simple rule of thumb that I find very useful when someone makes a claim like yours, which is to ask this simple question: IF I accept that argument THEN what other conclusions flow from it?
So we have:
leith: “His earlier point of aim was not the shooter. He was focused on longer range distances until the shots were fired”
Okay-Dokay. So what “longer range distant” objects were there for the Police sniper to “focus on”?
I can’t see anything that fits that bill, neither top-down from Google Earth nor from street view, now from any of the phone videos released on social media.
Care to draw a circle around your likely candidates?
leith: ” and then he had to lower his line of sight to take aim at Crooks.”
Now you are just being bizarre. The Police sniper wasn’t looking at the rooftop (though that was his job), he was looking at something “higher up”, which would be…. Blue Sky.
Was he bird spotting?
Did the dastardly shooter release a red balloon to distract the sniper’s attention?
Why were both those snipers (remember, there were two) both looking at the pretty birdies/bright balloons?
lieth, get real. Those two snipers were pointing their rifles towards that rooftop because that is what they were tasked with covering.
There was no other “longer distance” targets of interest. There were no other objects in the deep blue sky above that roofline.
There was a roofline. The snipers were told to keep an eye on that roofline, which they were doing.
And if people on the ground could see that shooter with their naked eyes then those two Police snipers could see that same shooter.
Unless, of course, they were bird watching – or distracted by a bright red balloon – but I find either very, very hard to believe.
lieth: “I’d be interested in your video. Can you post a link?”
Try this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieX5AcqGbHs
I see zero evidence of a “lowering of this line of sight” nor do I see any evidence of a change of azimuth.
What I see is a Police sniper who has already taken careful aim at a suspect BEFORE the shots ring out, and then the instant the shots were fired you see the recoil of his sniper rifle as he shoots at the target he already has a bead on.
lieth, you might also find this of interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag17KVRIrQ4
The shooter was on that rooftop for at least 114 seconds before he started firing i.e. he came to the attention of people on the ground at least two minutes before he took his shots at Trump.
That’s VERIFIED information.
Even if the Police snipers were birdwatching instead of doing what they were trained to do it is ludicrous to think that they failed to see that same shooter crawling onto that rooftop.
Utterly inconceivable.
lieth, here is an even better video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PW3aBqjCgQ
Slow it down to x0.25 and then go to the 55 second mark.
There is a super-handy white pole that can be used to judge any adjustment of the sniper’s line of sight.
You can see him aiming at the gunman, then raise his head (very briefly) when the shooter fires at Trump.
Raising his head brings his gun up slightly, so when he goes back to his scope he lowers the rifle, but he lowers it TO THE SAME LINE OF SIGHT HE HAD BEFORE.
Then he pulls the trigger and the rifle recoils, and that (again) lowers the barrel slightly before the entire rig bounces up and back.
But use that handy-dandy white post as your marker, and you’ll see his initial line of sight is the same as the line he was holding when he pulled the trigger.
The confusion comes from his momentary raising of his head, which also raised the barrel of his rifle, so he has to bring it back down onto his target.
But from first to last he was aiming to take a shot at one object, and that object was that shooter.
Lee Harvey Oswald this guy Matthew Crooks is not. Lee used a magic bullet which ricocheted off all the right bones to do the impossible. He must be turning in his grave. But that’s too harsh if so, Lee. If Donald Dumpster had not turned his head exactly when he turned it he wouldn’t be alive now.
At least I got to see and hear Larry Johnson explaining how it must have been a .22 caliber rifle before breakfast so I didn’t regurgitate my eggs. I just turned it off.
Larry, as usually the case, is an idiot. Anyone who watched the initial video could tell that the initial three shots were supersonic as they struck the rally attendees behind Trump. How? You can hear the snap of the round breaking the sound barrier before you hear the report from the rooftop. a .22 rimfire would not be super sonic at that range. Nor would it have blown the brains out of the poor guy hit in the head behind Trump.
The “magic bullet” is only so in the minds of fools who don’t bother to understand the angle of the seating arrangement in the presidential limo – and who believe Hollywood whore types who will sell you any story for a buck.
F&L,
Your statement is worthy of Fake News NYT.
“It sounded like a 22 caliber, but it could have been larger, such as a .223 or .556.” Right off his website, no need to view his video. But jumping to a conclusion to troll, well thank you very much.
Fred,
Come on. Reminds me of an IT estimate I received the other day – it will cost between $1.4 million and $8 million. Why bother with the estimate if your range basically says, “I have no idea and I’m a giant weasel”.
There’s a huge difference between a .22 rimfire and a 5.56mm. Mr. CIA firearms expert can’t tell? I guess the Sarasota Rifles doesn’t have its troops work the butts (aka “pits”) behind the targets so they would know what incoming fire sounds like. No live fire exercises either.
Eric,
Feel better now? Mr. 4 years with the CIA is only an NRA certified instructor giving an opinion. Some Russian blogger asked Larry his opinion at midnight so he made a guess. You, however, spout some emotional expertise almost as eloquently as F&L. Have you been persuading people to your point of view effectively, or is that not your objective by commenting here?
Fred,
Thank you for acknowledging my superior eloquence.
Larry Johnson! Indeed. The man who knew that the 2020 was rigged via a tech company from South America. Who blabbered idiotically about the old lady Trump attorney as “the honey badger.” The genius who advocated in favor of shooting that imbecile homeboy from Indiana in the back 7 times during peak BLM. Who said that killing George Floyd with a neck hold was kosher because it’s a technique taught and practiced by Israeli goons to US law enforcement officers. The strategic equivalent of Napoleon (at least) who preaches that the Russian army is invincible even though they lost something like 350,000 troops to Ukraine while very nearly being overthrown by a career criminal psychopath turned oligarch.
Few people can wield the word “idiot” as eloquently as Eric. Just my opinion.
Fred,
I’m sure by next week Larry will have proof that the IDF shot Trump because they ran out of available targets amongst Israeli citizens.
You two deserve one another. No wonder Pat banned you both.
Fred,
Pat always let me back – and we communicated via email and Facebook.
Larry is a scurrilous agent provocateur, at best. It’s nice that when his Russian handlers call him in the middle of the night, he snaps to and creates a half-baked post.
It could be a whale or it could, perhaps, be a tuna fish. Whatever it is, it lives in the sea, or near the sea on the beach, or in the woods in the trees within a few miles of the beach. When it turns out it was a squirrel he declares, “See. Just like I said”.
Fred.
“It sounded like a 22 caliber, but it could have been larger, such as a .223 or .556.” Right off his website, no need to view his video. But jumping to a conclusion to troll, well thank you very much.
Ouch 🙂
“You (Eric Newhill) spout some emotional expertise almost as eloquently as F&L”
They should get a room.
Larry did just have an interview with an intelligent and knowledgeable guest who has a great, fair and balanced, analysis of the events. Definitely worth a listen.
https://sonar21.com/my-interview-with-former-fbi-sniper-chris-whitcomb-how-did-the-secret-service-fail-to-protect-donald-trump/
TonyL,
No you silly twit. I know what it sounds like to be on the receiving end of gunfire.
I wonder how a top of a building 200-300 yards away with a clear field of fire was not in the secret service security zone.
Stefan
I think it’s incompetence. That rooftop would have been manned by an agent 20 years ago.
Stefan,
Good point. Your wondering can join the wondering of the 19 elementary school kids in Uvalde Texas who waited 90 minutes for 365 armed police to intervene while they were being murdered.
No more than 120 yards from where Trump was standing.
Yes, CNN has a diagram up. At 120 yards Trump is lucky there wasn’t a trained marksman up there or a good hunter. It would have been game over. Amazing lapse of security
Stefan,
Someone seriously needs to be called on the carpet for that lapse. I mean a very thorough investigation needs to takes place. If it ultimately proves to be nothing more than a screw-up, then heads still need to roll and lessons learned incorporated into SOPs immediately
Stefan,
They had four anti sniper teams on the roofs according to reports, two SS and two local LE. I would first suspect they weren’t in the habit of paying much attention to anything within the perimeter, but in the habit of paying a lot of attention to things just outside of it. That kid was well within the perimeter, and appears to have walked right past that local LE enforced outer perimeter with a rifle.
As early as this is…boulders of salt must be applied.
Mark –
That’s USSS! Pls don’t align them with Himmler’s Schutzstaffel. Although I’m sure some will.
Mark Logan,
Right. How did this ratty looking 20 year just walk past everyone and then climb up on a roof top, with a rifle, observed by a few Trump fans, but not by law enforcement?
How did the shooter know that he could take that stroll unmolested? How did he know that his chosen rooftop wouldn’t be covered by law enforcement surveillance?
Maybe he didn’t know and just got lucky, but that is a pretty audacious plan (i.e. I’ll just stroll on in with my rifle, climb a rooftop and shoot Trump). The luck of fools? I wouldn’t feel comfortable with that assumption if I were investigating this.
Eric Newhill,
The shooter’s experience might have consisted mainly of first person shooter games where all that strolling around unmolested might work. He supposedly tried out for the high school rifle team, but was a lousy shot. He also apparently liked YouTube videos of weapons and things blowing up. You know. Red blooded American boy stuff. As you say, the luck of fools.
Probably true of both shooter and target . . . .
Trump got lucky.
TTG,
Yes, probably the luck of fools, but it still needs to be looked into carefully.
When I was a kid I shot competitively in an NRA sponsored program. I confess that my friends and I experimented a few times with making small bombs out of powder for reloading. We never dreamed, in our worse moments, of shooting anyone or blowing up anything other than a stump or an old toy. If we had a beef with someone, we fought it out with fists. That’s red blooded American boy stuff.
In liberal ideology America we increasingly get deranged weirdos that don’t have any normal perspective or moral compass.
TTG,
If this real video of the site, then it explains a lot.
https://news.sky.com/video/trump-shooting-gunman-identified-as-video-shows-body-and-rifle-on-roof-13177746
The shooter could have parked his vehicle right there at the building. He could have selected the location using something like Google Earth. No strolling across open areas. He could have brought the ladder (seen in the video) with him, had an accomplice place it there or recon’ed the building earlier and noticed it was already there (probably brought it with him).
I still it was a massive screw-up to not have a cordon around that set of buildings. The potential for exactly what happened was obvious. It’s beginning to appear that Trump’s SS detail was too small and that local LEOs were not up to the task.
Some reports say shooter was only 130 yards away. It’s astonishing that no security was on that rooftop. If the secret service detail was shorthanded then local police should have been assigned. Good thing that Crooks was such an incompetent rifleman.
Leith,
Had he aimed center of mass, instead of going for a headshot, Trump would most likely be dead right now; at least in critical condition.
Headshots are challenging, even at that relatively close range, because the head is smaller and moves a lot, especially on someone as animated as Trump can be. Even so, the shooter was within two or three inches of killing Trump.
Eric –
It’s not clear that he was aiming for a head shot. He could just as easily have been aiming center mass. Got to wonder if he zeroed that weapon in on a local range, what scope he used, and whether he had a rangefinder. We were blessed by his lack of skill and the black plastic piece of crap he shot with.
Leith,
Fair points. Though I like the M16/AR platform. Whatever issues you guys had back in VN, they were ironed out by the ’80s.
Does the Corps even shoot from the 500 yard line at the rifle range now? Or just up to 300 like the Army?
Leith,
Don’t know what ranges they shoot at these days. I did see a video of some recruits at PI that were firing M16A4s (removable carrying handles) topped with ACOG (?) scopes. That surprised the hell out of me. Are iron sights considered outmoded? If they’ve dispensed with traditional peep sights training, then all manner of weirdness is possible, including limiting the KD range/qual to 300 yards.
Yes, but how many trained marksman use that platform, or even that round, for long distance shooting? How many militaries use it for their sniper teams? Or use that round?
It is not a platform nor a round a trained marksman would use. I shot competitively for years at the local, state, regional and nation (Camp Perry) level. Maybe it is all he had access to, maybe he just didn’t know any better.
Put even a half way decent marksman up there or a decent hunter and it would have been a job well done. 120 yards or so is not a big deal.
Realistically he should have been successful regardless of the inappropriate platform or round for that sort of scenario.
Stefan,
Using that kind of weapon and ammo for ranges out to 300 yards is fairly normal, even with iron sights. But I heard earlier today that he couldn’t make the high school rifle team because he was a lousy shot.
TTG,
When I was competitive shooting .556 just wasnt too common of a round. Mainly because most people who shot up to 300 yards also shot longer distances. So why have multiple different rifles for for different ranges when you could use one for all distances you competed in? Just my experience.
Stefan,
I’m more familiar with service weapons competitions, both arms room clunkers and match grade at the division level. Never went to Perry. I was a pistol shooter so we let our arms room clunkers carbon up as much as possible to tighten them up. The rifle teams had different techniques, but they used 5.56 exclusively.
TTG,
I shot in several different types of competitions, but my main stay was actually small bore. 50 yards, 50 meters, 100 yards. Exclusively Anschütz, .22. I had a fun time with it for years. My main claim to fame was tying a national record at Camp Perry at one point, but there are no awards given for that. I did well at local, state and regional competitions, but never placed at Camp Perry.
I also got involved in team competitions. My brother and I formed part of a four man team that also did well in local and regional competition.
Two of our four man small bore team ended up shooting large bore distance and doing rather well.
One thing I found is that whatever physical, emotional and other skills that made someone a good shot generally transferred between the different types of shooting. So someone who did well in small bore generally would go well in other types of shooting. My team mates and I tried out random events and did rather well, whether it was distance shooting, air gun, skeet shooting, silhouette, pistol shooting, archery ect.
I thought about getting back into small bore competition a few years back, but things are very different these days. One of my former team mate’s sons shoots competitively and actually places top level nationally.
I saw him shoot at one point. They actually shoot with laptops next to them hooked up to electronic cameras instead of spotting scopes. At that time I thought it better to stick with years of memories instead. The game has changed.
TTG, I read that also, but that was 5-6 years ago and has he practiced since?
If he spent that time hunting and shooting on a range as a hobby regularly. he would have gotten better (maybe, much better) without becoming Chris Kyle or Alvin York . . . and that is what this looks like.
Unclear that he was incompetent in that if Trump hadn’t turned his head when he did he might have been killed. Not a gun expert but it’s being told that he picked the wrong sort of rifle for a shot like the one attempted, an AR-15 not being a sniper rifle. Is a (“mail-order”) Mannlicher-Carcano better?
F&L,
Oswald shot Kennedy from a mere 50 to 60 yards with a military rifle with a scope + Oswald was USMC trained. Anyone with that training and rifle could have made the shots that Oswald did.
The idea that the Carcano is somehow a flawed weapon is stupid. The Italians have long been fine gun makers. They would not send their troops to war with rifle so inaccurate that it can’t make a 60 yard shot. I have fired Carcano rifles. There’s nothing wrong with them. Back in the day people bought them because they were very affordable deer hunting rifles.
Interesting fact – some ivory poachers, in Africa, liked to use the 6.5mm Carcano to kill elephants, though it would normally be considered far too light for the task. The reason poachers liked it is relevant to conspiracy theories. The 6.5mm round used by the Italian military is heavy for caliber, meaning it is long and has a high sectional density, resulting in deep penetration. Furthermore, the full metal jacket is unusually thick, resulting in a greatly reduced tendency to deform, which, in turn, adds to the ability to penetrate deeply. The ivory poachers liked the reduced recoil compared to true “elephant guns” and found that the 6.5 mm could penetrate well into the elephant’s brain with a frontal headshot and the noise and blast tended to not scare the herd away, as with the real big bore blasters that most elephant hunters would use.
Yes, I also feel bad for the elephants.
Eric,
Very interesting, thanks. FWIW I read today that the Oswald shot was 81 yards (243 feet or 74.066 meters). This Crook shot is estimated at 125 meters but I’ve seen 137 meters cited too. JFK was in motion, Trump not.
F&L,
Kennedy was in very slow linear motion. All Oswald needed to do was lead him a tiny bit. Trump was moving his head around. Oswald was a trained shooter, this idiot in PA apparently was not. Even so, Oswald missed one shot.
Btw, re; Kennedy conspiracy theories, if the shot didn’t come from above and behind and came, instead, from the starboard side, why wasn’t Jackie O hit? If from the front, how did the shot clear the windshield? And where was the shooter located? These are simple questions that anyone should think about before buying into stupid “theories”.
Everyone agreed it was Oswald until it came out that Oswald was a socialist. Then the left started the conspiracy theories to deflect A socialist obsessed narcissist/anti-social personality would never do something like that. Oh no no no!. Never mind Stalin and Mao! It had to be the “establishment”! Yeah that’s it. Down with the US government!
Sadly, now the US government is run by socialists, which is why this incident must be investigated very carefully. How hard is it to go out to blogs, chat rooms, etc frequented by Trump haters and stir them up and plant ideas in their heads knowing that a few of them might actually go out there and do it?
Eric.are you a fan of robert ruark.Wrote some great books on hunting in africa
mchohen,
Never heard of him, as far as I can recall. I lost the taste for hunting quite a few years ago – and not interested in reading about it.
The last animal I shot was maybe 14 or 15 years ago; a fine thoroughbred filly that put a foot wrong and suffered a compound fracture of her left fore leg. She was screaming and struggling. I shot her in the head as fast as I could. Made me feel sick for some time afterward. I was there when she was born and took care of her every day for two years. Loved her. Also, I got to know all the deer and foxes, raccoons, opossums, raptors, turkeys, etc. on my farm. Humans can be evil and deserve what they get when they are, animals are just doing what they do.
If people want to hunt, that’s fine with me. Not interested myself. I guess I’d shoot a wild dog or something like that is attacking, but I wouldn’t go looking for it.
We might not agree on much Eric, but we agree on this. It has been 23 years since I killed an animal. A beaver in the river during the two years I lived in a remote location in Alaska. Just havent been interested since I left Alaska. I still shoot and loose an arrow from time to time, but just at targets.
I used to ride a lot when I was younger, especially when I lived in England. I’d ride 2-3 times a week and especially loved cross country. I cant imagine having to shoot one of the horses. People who dont ride dont understand just how close you become to them.
Animals are far better companions than people, of whatever political and religious background.
mcohen –
Didn’t Ruark also do a bit of hunting MauMaus as I recollect. Or was that pure fiction?
I like how the media shows younger photos of a clean-cut, innocent looking Matthew Crooks, avoiding the dirty hippy/ANTIFA looking recent photos.
The “he was a registered Republican” talking point is more classic leftist deflection as well. If true – which it very well might not be – the reason is probably that Pennsylvania is a closed primary state and Crooks probably registered R so he could vote against Trump in the primary.
A valid question is “Why now?” given that plenty of people have wanted him dead for many years. Shades of RFK in summer of 1968 before the democratic party presidential convention – because this happened two says before the Republican convention in Milwaukee. So you have to consider Republicans who stood good chances of being nominated if this attempt had succeeded in killing him. The alleged shooter was allegedly a registered Republican though that may be fake, I don’t know.
Very, very young man from my more advanced perspective. …
A vaguely suicidal math ace of 20 years? We will need a little patience to satisfy our curiosity. 😉
Because the corrupt legal system attacks have failed.
The shooter didn’t look anymore like the clean cut Republican he was in high school. He donated $15 to a progressive cause a year ago. People change when they leave their parent’s house. At 20 years old he probably was influenced mostly by social media. All that should be made public as they dig deeper into his past.
optimax,
He donated $15 to ActBlue back in 2021. Why? Who knows. Why did he register as a Republican? Who knows. He was wearing a T-shirt from Demolition Ranch. Did he watch those videos and like things that go bang and blow up? Or did he get the T-shirt from a Goodwill store? A BBC article has a pretty good rundown of what’s known of the shooter so far.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3gw58wv4e9o
His donation to ActBlue was given on the day Biden was inaugurated. I don’t know what that means,
optimax,
Looks like that was a different Thomas Crooks rather than Thomas M. Crooks.
“Thomas Crooks, who donated 15 bucks to Act Blue, is a 69-year-old Democrat who lives in Pittsburgh and just happens to have the same name as the Republican who shot Trump.” That’s according to Actblue records.
F&L,
I wonder what the SCOTUS did that caused AOC to file two articles of impeachment and the judge in NY NOT sentence DJT? Two days after that a member of congress was trying to get USSS protection removed from Trump. I’m sure it’s nothing. Now, thanks to the Lord, even Democrats are praying for “Hitler”.
Fred – turns out you didn’t have to wait long at all to find out what Steele would try this go ’round, did you? From your lips to gawd’s ears. The bluebird of US Presidential assassination keeps her loving eyes on your comments I guess.
F&L,
Hillary has yet to be heard from.
Fred,
Why does she have to say anything?
TTG,
You mean she’s still not a leader in the Democratic Party?
Fred,
Still influential maybe, but no longer a leader.
TTG,
Then as the one who created the fake Russia collusion hoax and funded the Steele dossier she needs to apologize to all Americans and “cool down” her rhetoric as president Biden asked.
F&L,
(Apparently) one of the shooter’s high school class speaks. At the end it is mentioned one of the reasons he was picked on nearly every day was he came to high school dressed in camo all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SROkyGR3vZU
It’s currently shaping up to be one of those alienated and deeply troubled kids, ala Sandy Hook…but it’s early and there will be a lot of BS. Time will suss it out.
Mark,
President Biden said repeatedly that Trump was an existential threat to America. How many others repeated more often than a 2nd rate commercial that he was Hitler? But but but he was bullied in school? No doubt led by the NEA’s finest teachers with their proven ‘anti-bullying’ techniques. (Or did they ditch that part of Hillary’s campaign agenda once she lost?) And Mommy and Daddy did what year after year? The Principle did….. The first teacher, the second teacher and on and on with the ‘alienated’ Oh look, Sandy Hook 2. Round up the guns! Welcome to the Narrative. Perhaps the “never let a crisis go to waste” playbook should include something other that the tired old bulls**t and disarm those Americans.
The man tried to assassinate the former President and leading candidate in this election. “His classmates in that school he graduated from 2 years ago” were mean to him may please the audience of The View, but give us here a break.
Fred,
I am open to evidence to the contrary.
His only political acts before trying to assassinate Trump were to 1. Register as a republican and 2. Donate $15 to a Democrat.
He was so bad a shot in high school he couldn’t make the rifle team but could make a shot within millimeters of killing Trump seconds after being surprised by a cop putting his head over the roof.
He was so troubled he learned how to make his phone so secure that the FBI can’t get in. Or get a search warrant to get the service provider to get access either.
Did anyone talk to daddy yet? Maybe mommy? We’ve got the entire planetary press corps and the FBI available…..
But I’m open and trusting of that police agency that said hunter’s laptop wasn’t real until they used it as real evidence against Hunter. And they’ve kept all of Epstein’s clients safe from prosecution all these years. Trusting and willing to wait years and more years for evidence contrary to the narrative.
Fred,
The person who donated $15 to ActBlue was a Thomas Crooks from Pittsburgh, not the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks. Unless that was just another Crooks donation made on the same day by the 69 year old Crooks as the shooter. A classmate said he gave every indication that he was a conservative. Crooks’ mother is a Democrat. his father is a Libertarian. They had Trump signs in their yard up to a few months ago. I wonder why that stopped.
Crooks belonged to a shooting club and his father let him take his AR-like rifle to the range. That’s where he was supposed to be when he tried to assassinate Trump. I haven’t heard anything saying he was troubled, just a weird, quiet loner who was reasonably smart.
There is, for me, only one key issue:
Establishing the chain of failures of responsibility that led to this event.
Obviously, the on-site people failed to accomplish their mission.
But if they had a valid excuse of being short-handed, then we must ask
“Why were they short-handed?”
Already, we have:
“Mayorkas denied ‘repeated requests’ for more Secret Service protection for Trump, GOP lawmaker (ex Green Beret Mike Waltz) says”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mayorkas-denied-repeated-requests-more-secret-service-protection-trump-gop-lawmaker-says
Ensuring there is adequate protection for Trump
had a chain of responsibility,
running from the operational people
up to the Head of the United States Secret Service, Kimberly Cheatle
https://www.secretservice.gov/about/leadership/director ,
up to the Secretary of Homeland Security, Alejandro Mayorkas
https://www.dhs.gov/keywords/secretary-alejandro-mayorkas .
It is the responsibility of those higher-ups to ensure the operational people are adequately staffed and equipped.
If the operational people were not adequately staffed and equipped,
blame the higher-ups.
Moving down to the operational level,
somebody had responsibility for
1. identifying all locations within gunshot range of the speaker, and
2. ensuring that all those locations were secure while the event was going on.
(He may have had people under him to assist him in performing that task.)
Obviously, that task was not successfully performed.
We must examine why that person could not, or would not, perform that task.
Good 5-minute commentary from
former U.S. Army sniper Rep. Cory Mills, R-Fla.:
https://youtu.be/8aKIMiaYjis
What was the POV of the local authorities?
The Butler Township manager gives a preliminary (after two days) report here:
Trump assassination attempt: Butler, Pennsylvania town manager defends police amid response ‘misconception’
https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-assassination-attempt-butler-pennsylvania-town-manager-defends-police-amid-response-misconception
Larry Johnson interviews someone who has actually run presidential protection details:
https://sonar21.com/another-professional-update-on-the-failed-trump-assassination-was-it-a-sanctioned-plot/
“Larry Cunningham did twenty years with Secret Service as an agent, in the training division, and as a supervisor responsible for safeguarding Ronald Reagan, among others.
(Note — Larry headed up the Reagan detail one year after John Hinkley tried to kill Reagan.)
…
We now believe something more sinister was afoot —
a specific plot to kill Trump facilitated by persons associated with the U.S. Government.”
Keith Harbaugh,
I’m sure someone like Larry Cunningham looks at this and asks how could they screw this up so badly and figures they all must be in on a plot to kill Trump rather than admit the secret service detail assigned to Trump was just that incompetent. Looking at the video of Secret Service actions immediately after the shooting, one can see gross incompetence. They looked like they didn’t know what they were doing at all. The Reagan detail the year after Hinkley was probably at the top of its game.
Here’s an interesting take on the lapsed security for that rooftop by a retired Georgia police lieutenant who served on several Presidential security details when Bush Junior was Prez. In his experience the secret service covers both close-in and long-range protection, but the intermediate-range protection is typically done by local law enforcement. So why was no local LEO either on that rooftop or controlling access to it?
Here is a link to his 21-piece twitter thread: https://x.com/LtTimMcMillan/status/1812383798740324380
Makes sense to me. You can see in the video he posts that the “counter sniper has to dramatically drop his line of sight to respond to the shooter.”
From a Fox News report;
“United States Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle acknowledged in an interview that responsibility for the security failure that led to the attempted assassination of former President Trump ultimately rests with herself.
“The buck stops with me,” Cheatle told ABC News on Tuesday morning.
The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets.
“The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion,” she said. “Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president.”
Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was “shock.”
She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper’s position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof.
“That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there’s a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn’t want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside.”‘
Bwahahahaha – the roof had a slope so it was too dangerous to put an agent on it. This is such a fine example 21st century government work. Only the biggest dullard of a female DEI bureaucrat would say something like that. And the horrible thing is it’s probably the truth.
And the shooter was already a person of interest. I’d like to hear about that, but we probably won’t because the FBI is investigating (grey foxes looking at what the red foxes were doing when the hens and eggs were raided and eaten).
Disregarding all the speculations, it seems the most important issue is why a gunman could get that close. Solving that is rather urgent.
I think a more immediate issue is how the two snipers behind Trump could have the gunman in their sights for three minutes and Trump is allowed to stay up at that podium?
I can – just – understand the SS boss refusing permission for those snipers to engage (“are you sure that’s not a telephoto lens?”), but just a suspicion of a rifle on a rooftop should have had agents rushing to the podium to get Trump off the stage.
If it turns out to be a freelance photographer with a telephoto lens then, sorry, Mr President, just doing our job, you are free to return to the podium.
But, no, nothing of the sort.
The agents at the stage did not react until after the shots were fired (after which they reacted quickly and professionally, no blame on them).
But why weren’t they up on that podium three minutes earlier?
To my mind that is THE most suspicious aspect of this entire episode.
YR,
They didn’t have him in their sights for three minutes. That story started circulating, like many others, but there is no proof of it. In fact, observing the counter sniper team, it doesn’t look to me or Leith or an expert interviewed by Larry Johnson (see upthread), like they had acquired a target prior to the shots being fired.
” That story started circulating, like many others, but there is no proof of it.”
The Police sniper confirmed that he had the suspect in his sights for three minutes, and was refused permission to take a shot.
There were actually two snipers on that roof behind Trump, and both of them had eyes on a target.
They definitely were not scanning the area like a pair of synchronized swimmers.
YR,
No. That story is BS. No sniper – secret service nor police – has confirmed anything. That is an imposter talking out his ass. Do you seriously think that in a matter of this gravity some line level guy involved in it is going to be making public statements? Totally ridiculous.
I don’t place much emphasis on that post, other than that I have seen it and the information contained within it is not contradicted by the video evidence.
I place much more credence on that video of the two Police snipers on the roof behind Trump.
The sniper with the tripod IS taking a bead on…. something….. before Trump is shot at.
That same sniper IS pointing his rifles along that same line when he fires his rifle.
A sniper DOES shoot that would-be assassin.
QED: that Police sniper was pointing his rifle at the shooter when he fired, and he had been pointing his rifle at that same target BEFORE Trump was shot at.
How long before?
That’s the question. Since onlookers on the ground were making a commotion for AT LEAST two minutes before shots rang out I am still going to hold to my view that the Police sniper had his gun pointed at the shooter for AT LEAST two minutes before those shots were fired.
Lars,
Agree. Something is very fishy. The USSS agents were surrounding Trump, but letting him sticking his head up doing fist pumps. Let’s wait until we know more about that security lapse.
From what I heard mentioned, they did not let him up until they were told that the shooter had been taken out. I am sure this will be investigated thoroughly. Of course, that will not stop the speculations and conspiracies – some sillier than others.
Nonsense. Just because they took out ONE sniper doesnt mean there wasnt others snipers or other threats, which is why they removed him as quickly as possible.
Letting him stick his head up, giving additional possible snipers take more shots, was a bad move and should be part of the over all investigation. Being brave is one thing, sticking your head up when you are under fire, just to give a fist pump is stupid.
Stefan, How do you control a man like Trump?
Stefan,
Exactly. No part of Trump’s body should be visible when they escorted him off the stage.
Some of us seeing Trump being stupid there for a photo op. But the MAGA crowd went wild.
I also did not see any ambulance or emergency vehicle arrived afterward.
Sequence of events:
1- shots on trump
2- counter-sniper returns fire
3- you hear “shooter is down”
4- they stand trump up but still surround him with their bodies
5- he asks to get his shoes (?)
6- fist pumps
Leith,
You left out how he walked past everyone in plain sight even when police were told about him crossing the field and climbing onto the roof.
Optimax,
If a large group of supposedly well trained and fit Secret Service men cannot put Trump on his ass to keep him safe, then they all need new jobs. Their job is to keep him safe, not help him with politics or theatrics. Imagine if there were a second sniper who used the fist pump as an opportunity to finish the job the first one could not.
Stefan
In front of Trump was a short, crouching female agent incapable of shielding a tall man like Trump. The picture don’t lie.
Trump was literally surrounded by multiple members of the Secret Service.
Nah, you’re just mad because the world got to see that Trump acted like a man under fire. Rather than be a real American and glad for that, you get all whiney and hyper political.
I actually agree with Eric on this: Trump may have his faults, but on that day he demonstrated in the most emphatic way possible that he possesses courage.
Quite a lot of courage, to be honest.
Sorry Eric that I don’t see it that way. I never forgave Clinton for his draft dodging. I’ll forgive Trump for his student deferments while he was 1A – but never for his sudden bone spurs after he graduated.
Leith,
I understand, but he is now redeeming himself. You know, there are a lot of veterans, VN through current, who like Trump and support him.
He doesn’t need this crap; the BS trials on charges that could be applied to just about any pol or businessman, but aren’t, the legal costs, getting shot at.
You can’t accept that he’s doing it for our country. No, to you he’s a merely a psychopathic narcissist. You believe all the other politicians are civic minded, but not Trump. That is very odd. How do they all get a pass and he doesn’t?
You disagree with his vision, I don’t. Actually, I’m not even sure you really disagree with the policies and vision. It’s all pretty normal stuff. Nothing too far, if at all, out of line with presidents of both parties prior to Obama.
It’s more like you just have a problem with Trump at some deep personal level – and it’s kind of intense. You’re A-OK with Biden, who is a lie firing verbal machine gun, career pol with all manner of corruption all around him, but Trump? It’s an interesting psychology. I truly wish you TDS guys could really talk about it instead of simply chanting anti-Trump jodies in response.
You’re right Eric that there are veterans on both sides of the left-right divide. I’m still friends with guys I served with in Nam who are now big fans of Trump. No sense throwing out a 60-year friendship because of a difference of opinion about politicians’ personalities.
Besides I was a staunch Republican voter back in those days. And I could be again in the future if the party returns to its roots as a supporter of small farmers, small businesses and craftsmen. It could happen, but probably not in my lifetime.
Indeed. Here’s a post translated from Telegram this morning which speaks to the issue.
This link is interesting too – VP Harris was driven by an undetected bomb – news to me.
https://justthenews.com/government/security/congress-launches-instant-probe-trump-assassination-attempt-demands-answers
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https://t.me/malekdudakov/7286
The assassination attempt on Trump once again brought to the fore the crisis in the US law enforcement system . The Secret Service did not escape its consequences either. In recent years, many demonstrative scandals have erupted around the agents guarding the top officials of the state.
Dozens of agents were under investigation after international tours to Colombia and the Netherlands during which they got drunk and dallied with prostitutes. One agent was convicted of pedophilia in 2017 – he sent naked photos to a 14-year-old girl .
Two other agents were bribed with expensive gifts by scammers posing as colleagues from other law enforcement agencies. Well, a couple of weeks before the assassination attempt on Trump, agents dissatisfied with the leadership even rolled out a petition, the text of which ended up in Congress. Agents complained of a toxic atmosphere in the Secret Service, with frequent fights and beatings .
Things are even worse with the police. In many states, there is an acute shortage of police officers, and they are increasingly less likely to respond to calls . And in a number of liberal cities like Seattle, they have already begun to accept illegal immigrants into the police force. The quality of police work is falling, the proportion of crimes investigated is declining . Well, the crime rate increased greatly after the BLM pogroms.
The police also behaved negligently at the Trump rally – one tried to detain the criminal, but immediately ran away when he saw his rifle. The FBI is highly politicized and has focused on targeting Trump supporters in recent years. It is not surprising that the Secret Service, too, is mired in crisis as the law enforcement system goes into disarray .
Remember this poster distributed in Dallas days before Kennedy the assasination?
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/11/jfk-assassination-flyer-distributed-in-dallas-by-edwin-walker-s-group-before-his-visit.html
Well lets assume its all straight shooting.to coin a phrase.Then its possible that its just a simple twist of fate he turned his head.However given the times we are in and the wars going on,then an intervention in the affairs of the human race is possible.In that case one must accept that all is in the hands of God.Therefore all round vilification needs to be stopped and just let the drama play out.November is still a few months off.
Imho and bear in mind i know jack shoot about us politics,but isn’t all these rallies and parades and stuff supposed be some sort of celebration of the human spirit.if we were all the same no one who make a difference
mcohen,
I’m coming around to the idea that it was divine intervention.
Your comment about the human spirit is exactly the direction I was thinking, too – and why God would favor a man that will permit ts celebration to continue.
Look at a Biden rally – well, there aren’t any, but those dark, red tinted, stygian displays with a demented old man telling us that “dark days are ahead”. Be afraid. Put your faith in the power of the government.
The Light v Satan
Eric Newhill,
The Light v Satan stuff is a source of a lot of our problems. I might think Trump is a miserable piece of shit, but he is no Satan.
TTG,
The Left is, objectively, evil. What they want to create is basically the Soviet Union with gender confusion and lots of narcotics. Sounds like a hellscape to me. We know it’s true because it is what cities and states that the left controls are rapidly becoming. They greater the left’s control, the worst the degeneration.
The idea that all accusations are equal is squishy avoidance of reality. That all accusation are not equal is the reason we have civil courts. Aggrieved parties accuse each other of transgressions and the judge and jury get to the bottom of who is telling the truth.
Notice that the left’s accusations concerning Trump are fantasies of what he might do, but hasn’t, based on mind reading. Whereas the right’s accusations against the left are based on observable facts (see San Fransisco as a prime example, but any major city, see transvestites lecturing in grade schools, see inflation, see crime in cities, see out of control illegal immigration, etc, etc).
That said, the right isn’t advocating killing the leadership of the Left, not yet. The right prefers to follow the prescribed system because conservatives believe in established systems, especially those in the Constitution. The right would only go to the guns if the system was destroyed beyond repair.
He truly is scum. Why wouldn’t the devil save his life rather than God, it would at least be somewhat logical. We live in a world of very stupid people (average IQ 100). So stupid they conclude that divine intervention must have saved a scumbag. Can not even imagine that the king of bad guys (the devil) would intervene to save a bad guy (Trump). Of course I believe in none of that God devil nonsense. It’s worth mentioning that Plato thought democracy the worst form of government. Btw, I alsothink Biden is really seriously awful beyond words. Despicable.
F&L,
“Why wouldn’t the devil save his life rather than God, it would at least be somewhat logical”
True!
“So stupid they conclude that divine intervention must have saved a scumbag. Can not even imagine that the king of bad guys (the devil) would intervene to save a bad guy (Trump).”
Indeed.
I enjoy your stream of conciousness rant : ) scarily I agree most of the time. Please keep it comming.
You mean the light v satin and knights riding gladys.
Time to end it
Well In form
Did clap and salute
With hand and foot
A relation in uni form
The passing parade
Lead by a band that played
Music that danced and swayed
I watched in the shade
Soldiers home from the war
As they passed me by
Under a blue sky
Like waves rolling onto the shore
I am an “epistemological” atheist (God is not a valid explanation of anything it’s just like the “Virtus Dormitiva” of opium in Molière), however as a non-materialist I find some prophecies interesting.
https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1812387365576393058
“epistemological” is a tricky word for me.athesist i know.
Personally i believe there is no connection betweem God and relegion but only a direct connection between a person and God.Relegion is merely a social construct.
I used to doubt the existence or presence so to speak when i was younger but the experiences i have had changed my outlook.
You just know,you know,at some deeper level.
It is quite possible that people will never be exposed to these experiences.
Let me give you a personal example
I was in my thirties,party boy,jumpers coke sweey mary jane,sugarman.
So i lived on a farm and used to take the freeway to the big city for a weekend of debauch.
Anyway on the way home at 1am i stop on the side of the road to take a p.ss.
Jump out the car, standing there in the dark and i look around,and see in the dark all these white things lying on the ground around me.
I zip up and pick one up and open the car door to check what it is in the light and it is a page from a bible,specifically the Book of Job.
Someone had thrown a bible out the window of a car and it had landed and pages had scattered all over the ground.
I took home with me and kept it.I did reflect on this and decided that was a personal memo from God to me to slow down a bit.
There have been other similar experiences over the years and i have now have no doubt whatsoever.
You see it is a personal journey.Quite possible that other people will not believe and thats also good.
In this life of unknown and mystery one has to make sense of it all on your own.
Damm phone keyboard…. no one would make a difference
Wrote this in 2016. When people were inciting in that election
You got the right kind of rage
I see you’ve come of age
You’re a burning hot keyboard warrior
Oh the horror,the horror
Twitter is your battle ground
What’s that hashtag you’ve found
Pulled it out the gutter
A machine gun putter
You fire those tweets off all day
When the deplored come out to play
But you better watch out
This is no party boy scout
Gonna take your toys away
Then what will you say
My freedom of speech
Eaten like a peach
If only our election machines were as secure as a shooter’s cell phone. Biden will make it better next term though……
All this crap adds an interesting dimension to the otherwise mundane.But the peaches are still wallowing in their cream and a bigger bang is being called for.The stuff coming out of x.com is a good example.Drex is what i call it….Digital Distraction is the new opium of the masses.
Drex went by
Shore stop in trunks
He was without tie
From the south banks
Where rodent and insect
Run the street
On the intersect
So watch your feet
He got caught in a rip
Far out in blue
It was a long trip
But he made it through
Came across a rubber duck
On the way
Who wished him luck
In frisco bay
I speculate that the national security intelligence apparatus had a hand in this. Partially based on the observation of reporting that noted folks noticed this guy climbing the roof and informing security. And the observation that line of sight rooftops were not secured. Then the observation of the bumbling secret service detail including some women who showed no presence of mind.
Let’s not forget the Russia Collusion hoax instigated and perpetrated by the same national security intelligence apparatus.
The big question is, if Trump gets elected, what will he do a second time..hire another Jim Comey and Rod Rosenstein? Not declassify when he had the authority to prove the conspiracy against him.
Personally, I believe whoever gets elected the power behind the throne will remain the same oligarchy and the national security establishment. Nothing will materially change.
It’s a valid speculation. The report that the feds couldn’t break into his smartphone raised my suspicions even more than your observations, but that’s been retracted possibly because it stunk to high heaven in the minds of many who called their congressman or raised a stink on social media.
F&L,
The FBI broke into the phone on Sunday, almost as soon as it got to Quantico.
TTG,
Thanks. I meant to imply as much by mentioning the story being retracted. Blame my English teachers.
Will the investigation into the assassination attempt be done by the same folks who propelled the Russia Collusion?
I’m not sure we’ll learn anything except what the national security apparatus wants us to hear. The fact that the head of the secret service is unwilling to resign says it all.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13637409/joe-biden-defends-bullseye-donald-trump-shooting.html
Yes it’s very difficult to impossible to put much faith in them. I just saw a report that Hungarian Intelligence picked up evidence of an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban immediately prior to his recent trip to Moscow.
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https://t.me/slavaded1337/54092
Hungarian intelligence services prevented an assassination attempt on Viktor Orban
The Hungarian publication reports that they wanted to kill Prime Minister Orban before flying to Moscow on July 5. His car was supposed to be blown up on the way to the airport.
Journalists publish a conversation intercepted by Hungarian intelligence services. In it, two people speaking Ukrainian discuss an alleged bombing. The likely perpetrator is a Ukrainian refugee from Ternopil, who has been living in Hungary for the last two years.
The publication notes that Ukrainian intelligence may be behind the assassination attempt. Moreover, after the incident, a conversation allegedly took place, but the Ukrainian side categorically rejected all suspicions.
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That’s really interesting given that it was reported that deceased shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks had the phrase “We stand with Ukraine” written on one of his internet pages. Just imagine how utterly embarrassing it would be if Ukrainian intelligence tried to kill one of the US Presidential candidates! Especially after all the absurd (IMO and many others) Russian collusion scandal.
More work for the FBI – An American motorcycle gang fights in Ukraine for Ukraine. If so they have to be looked at hard concerning conspiracy to shoot Trump. I know next to nothing about this particular gang and I normally would suspect motorcycle bandits of favoring Trump but if you’re influenced by money anything is possible.
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https://t.me/rian_ru/253442
Members of the Bandidos motorcycle club, headquartered in the United States, are fighting for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, a source in law enforcement agencies told RIA Novosti.
Based on open data on social networks, a RIA Novosti correspondent identified several members of the motorcycle club, who are also military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
As follows from photos on Instagram, a member of the Bandidos branch in the Odessa region (Bandidos MC Odessa Arcadia) Anatoly Borovsky went to serve in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, taking the call sign “Taliban”. His friend with the call sign “Phil,” judging by Borovsky’s publication, also fought for the Ukrainian Armed Forces and has already died.
In addition, a member of the Bandidos MC WestWay club branch, calling himself Dimmidarko, went from the Kyiv region to the Northern Military District zone.
Citizens of Ukraine who are indirectly associated with the motorcycle club are also fighting for Kyiv. We are talking about Anton Lozitsky, who is signed to groups affiliated with Bandidos. Lozitsky was awarded the American Purple Heart award, for which he thanked a certain US colonel.
I’d be really surprised if members of a 1%er biker gang would get in on a hit on a former president. The US populace has volunteered all sorts of people to fight in foreign wars. Members of the far right in the US and Europe have gone to fight in Ukraine, others have gone to fight the Russians. Back in the 1990s Nazi skinheads went to the former Yugoslavia and fought for the Croats.
In the case of the Bandidos, they dont have any sort of political philosophy, unlike the Nazi skinheads who went to Croatia who were either ethnic Croats or those who thought they were repaying a debt the Nazis of WW2 owed the Croats for services rendered. Any Bandidos who went to fight did so on their own for personal reasons.
My final thought…The gross incompetence that the SS exhibited – and that is what it was – is most likely due, in part, to DEI hiring. The head of the SS, a woman with no field experience, but a politician, no doubt put the most slack hacks in the SS on the Trump detail. They probably hoped that he be killed by the inevitable freak hopped up on lefty and Biden lies and hate rhetoric.
With regards to the freak, The FBI will only release details about him that make him look unaffected by left wing ideology. The impact of left wing garbage will be hidden.
No one will be held accountable for this until Trump is elected. Then, when Trump moves to clean up the agency, lefty morons will accuse Trump of irrationally going on a personal crusade against the SS. Infantile, disingenuous lefty morons will screech “racism” and “misogyny”, as they’ve been trained, like seals clapping for fish, to do since 1st grade. A few will actually believe that’s what it is.
And that’s it.
Unless it turns out that the counter sniper really did have the freak in his sights for three minutes. Then it is a case of political SS management seeking to kill Trump – or, more correctly, deliberately let him die – at first opportunity. Still, no one will be punished for it beyond losing their job when Trump is reelected.
Eric,
Just saw this on Telegram. You’re entitled to blame the secret service to your heart’s content. The most egregious thing about the JFK killing (putting aside the ridiculous Warren report directed by Deep State chairman Allen Dulles) IMO was the snail’s pace of the open limousine. The wide open rooftop in PA only 130 yds from the dais where Trump spoke is an analog of the slow open limo perhaps. See what you make of this data from CBS TV – in light of this is it accurate to say that the rooftop was unpatrolled? 3 snipers “inside the building,” why not on the roof?
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https://t.me/infantmilitario/131305
Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has made it clear that she will not resign from her position because of the assassination attempt on Trump. Meanwhile, the CBS television channel reported new details about the assassination attempt:
There were three snipers inside the building where the shooter was located.
One of the snipers inside saw Crooks outside, looking up at the roof and looking at the building, and then disappeared.
Crooks then returned, sat down and used his phone, at which point one of the snipers took a photo of him.
Then Crooks took out a rangefinder and the sniper relayed the message to the command post. Crooks disappeared again and then returned with a backpack.
The snipers called and said he had a backpack and said he was going to the back of the building.
Officers believe Crooks may have used the air conditioner to get onto the roof.
When other officers arrived for reinforcements, he climbed onto the roof of the building and positioned himself above and behind the snipers inside the building.
F&L,
Cheatle has said the roof is sloped and agents could be hurt slipping off it (seriously – in a statement she made).
The Warren report makes sense to me, especially in the context of the time and place.
Officials in this Trump incident are making a lot less sense that the Warren Commission the more I hear from them. I am being swayed to the idea that the powers that be knew they had stirred up enough fringe lunatics that at least one would take a shot at Trump sooner or later. They deliberately left avenues of attack open to the lunatic(s).
A “researcher” has to nitpick the Warren report, often with false info and urban myth, to put holes in it. So far, the circumstances of the Trump assassination attempt point to professional security detail screw-ups so egregious that the holes are right there, glaring at us. You could drive an accusatory semi truck right through, with plenty of room to spare. I don’t see how those holes are closed with additional information. They are that bad. They are getting worse, to my mind, as more info comes out.
Congress needs to drag in all involved parties, ASAP, and question them, hard. Make them show their memos, communications, etc. up and down the chain of command (to include Biden). Any party refusing to cooperate needs to be held in contempt and locked up indefinitely until compliance is obtained.
F&L,
It does explain the counter sniper team behind the president not shooting sooner as SURPRISE that building had his own people in it. Don’t want to shoot your own first don’t you know. Which is actually reasonable and accounts for a bunch of delay.
Does anyone know if the guys inside that air conditioned building were drinking Dem Kampf coffee? The brew for the anti-Hitler elite. Donuts too, or just the holes? Most important of all, what are their pronouns? Sure hate to get pro Cheatle’s people mad at me.
I’m very curious to know who Crooks called (phone use per sniper inside the building.
Fred,
The FBI knows what was on the phone, but I doubt they’ll tell us.
Fred,
Unless some miraculous explanation comes to light, the Secret Service is largely rotten. A new report came out that the Trump detail was beefed up based on a threat from Iran. That was beefed up? This wasn’t a left wing conspiracy. It was straight up the middle incompetence. Much like the Secret Service deleting all communications from 5 and 6 January 2021. No one in the Secret service thought that those communications may be important? Instead they were all deleted in preparation for a system upgrade three months in the future. That smelled like a right wing conspiracy. No, it looks like more straight up the middle incompetence. I’m sure there are some good cops in the Secret Service, but these two cock ups and many more tend to give credence to the acronym ACAB.
The Secret Service, at least the overall leadership and the protective service details, need to be given the heave ho and replaced. It would raise eyebrows, but JSOC and SOCOM units can take up these functions temporarily.
TTG,
we should never discount incompetence and bureaucratic inertia. I highly discount the “Iran” warning, it’s far too convenient given multiple actors wanting the US to attack Iran and the disastrous PR for the administration. People should be fired, they won’t because of the same old reasons.
The Director of Secret Service was on Biden’s detail when he VP and is close to Jill Biden (so reported). She’s the one that accelerated DEI hiring. There’s a photo out there from behind Trump clearly showing the building in question in obvious line of sight. (no dangersous slope, either) As much as a pair of folks trashed the long departed Larry, he actually interviewed an ex-FBI sniper who has some relevant knowledge of how those teams work. Skip the first 15 minutes or so if you care to but there is some useful general info in the video. (Larry’s site or utube.)
BTW the person who led the USSS when the phones go wiped? Ms. Cheatle. The women with trouble re-holstering the weapon? Body armor and a badge where the holster normally sits (on the hips, gender differences are real) forced it back. Apparently a common enough issue. I doubt they’ve been shot at before too often either, but no idea about the practice, practice, practice needed to develop team performance in action. A lot of other foul ups coming to light now too. God was looking out for the former President.
Fred,
Given the Iran warning, the security at the Trump rally should have been heightened. It didn’t appear heightened to me.
TTG,
“Unless some miraculous explanation comes to light, the Secret Service is largely rotten.”
Yes, obviously, but that is true of the FBI, DOJ, CIA, DHS, DoD and a lot of local government agencies/depts as well.
Hence Trump’s popularity. Hence why the system dreads Trumps and wants him gone. You don’t seriously think democrats or RINOs would fix the system, do you?
TTG,
This is what is known as “preparing the battle space” so that some a**hole (deranged or otherwise) will take out “Hitler” i.e. the “threat to democracy!” (please see public statements of Joseph Robinette Biden Jr., the cover of New Republic, statements of the Morning Joe team, Joy Reid, and many other prominent leftists over the past few years). As Col. Lang pointed out long ago no one “falls on their sword” any longer due to lack of personal honor and integrity. They do, however, drink the kool aid. And in the case of Ms. Cheat(le), she remains loyal to Dr. of “Student Retention at the Community College” Jill Biden. Hopefully some sharp lawyer will point out to Dr. Jill that while she is not compellable (thank you English common law) she also does not have presidential immunity for her actions.
Loyalty sir, just not to the Constitution nor the Republic. Honor, just not as understood by honorable men and women.
Fred – First paragraph .. very good observations.
F&L,
You didn’t like my train of consciousness coffee humor? Ok, maybe not that funny.
Does anyone know if the guys inside that air conditioned building were drinking Dem Kampf coffee?
Fred not sure what you are trying to say here. in case these guys simply drink their battle coffee, it should be “den Kampf Kaffee”, the battle coffee. The way you use it that’s an accusative object, not a dative object. Only dative would be “dem”, but “dem” is not correct here.
In case you want to fit Hitler’s Mein Kampf/my battle/my fight into their battle/their fight it would be
the guys were drinking ihren Kampf Kaffee, again accusative not dative case.
https://germanwithlaura.com/noun-cases/
A general comment about this thread and the decline of expertise of this group. People used to be banned for inciting hatred towards half of America. Now they are given free rein to clog the conversation and overwhelm without facts instead relying solely on “informed” supposition. The ghosts of Brigadier Gen. Ali and Col. Lang slink off to rest in peace.
As an antidote, I request that those with experience in ballistics, security, intelligence or other fields share with us more often.
I check in far less than I used to because it’s no longer a worthwhile destination. Best of luck.
wtofd –
You’re right. Politics has made this blog poorer. Stick around though, why give it up to the uninformed?
leith,
You may have noticed that I tend to stay away from US politics for that very reason. Even when Colonel Lang had the helm, our politics just brought out the ugly. I don’t think there’s any way around it these days. But as you said, I’d rather we gut out our time in the shit pile together. Don’t worry. I’ll return to Ukraine and messing about in boats soon.
TTG,
Just a reminder of Col Lang’s record on domestic politics, he believed that Trump would prevail in 2024 because Biden would be deemed so terrible. I mentioned, on the forum, that, maybe so, but the cheat machine could hand Biden the election (Col Lang seemed to intuit that there is a cheat machine of some kind). Col Lang replied that the citizens’ disgust with Biden would be so great that it would overwhelm the cheat machine (almost exactly his words by my recollection).
Eric Newhill,
I’m well aware of Colonel Lang’s stance on Biden. His personal experience with Biden was plenty enough to consider him despicable, let alone policy differences. The biggest cheat machine I saw in the 2020 election was the fake electors plot across several states. The 2022 passage of the Electoral Count Reform Act goes a long way in ensuring such a plot would not succeed in future elections.
The young shooter, Crooks, appears to be retarded and/or autistic. I’m not sure we’ll ever get a clear personal motive. There might not really be one. He is exactly the kind of personality that could be fairly easily convinced to do the shooting by someone else. There are several videos of him like the following:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98RSb9MMgX0
It is going to be important to explore all evidence involving contact with others; including gamer chat rooms.
Eric Newhill is right, facts mean nothing to some people. I give up.
https://www.google.com/imgres?q=short%20crouching%20female%20agent%20guarding%20trump&imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.wionews.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2F2024%2F07%2F15%2F443600-untitled-design1.png%3Fim%3DFitAndFill%3D(1200%2C900)&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wionews.com%2Fworld%2Fdonald-trump-assassination-attempt-viral-video-triggers-criticism-over-female-secret-service-agents-response-740980&docid=wvTALt4Yqmx3rM&tbnid=AM2WUBsg2vlWRM&vet=12ahUKEwjy5Ify3ayHAxWhle4BHZ3RB4EQM3oECBgQAA..i&w=1200&h=900&hcb=2&ved=2ahUKEwjy5Ify3ayHAxWhle4BHZ3RB4EQM3oECBgQAA
Optimax,
No no no.
We need people that know something about ballistics and security and stuff…..you know, people who know and say things right; the way that make a certain faction feel warm and fuzzy.
But yeah, facts mean nothing. It’s all about the party and feels good ’cause I doesn’t have ta think outside muh comfort zone.
optimax,
Sadly our president was back with the “fine people hoax” that got started years ago. Even Snopes finally debunked that one. I saw where Morning Joe got sidelined by MSNBC for a day, for some pretty obvious reasons.
And the injecting bleach hoax. It’s all they have; hoaxes. Short of Trump = crazy Hitler, the Ds have diddly. It’s not like they can actually debate policy. The 24 hour cease fire is over. Since impressionable, autistic, retards have failed to accomplish the mission – excuse me, lone wolf republican AR toting “kids”; motivation remains unknown, like Stephen Paddock’s – time to step it up a notch or two with Iranians who might understand how to use stuff that make a bigger bang. But how did they get into the country? More slippery slopey rooftop silliness to follow.
Eric Newhill,
You’re right that the strategy of fighting Trump on the basis of him being a no good shit is a losing strategy. The debate should be about policy. I hope Biden’s team focuses on the differences between his policies and the Republican plan laid out in Project 2025 and Agenda 47.
TTG,
Exactly. And vice versa.
I would love to see Trump and Biden sit down, independently, and go though long form interviews – like 3 hours long – with various talented and known podcasters. Maybe one right leaning, one left leaning and two in the middle/non-committed. Just talk. Go into deep dives on policy questions. Answer personal questions about work style, spiritual beliefs, family, whatever. Really get to know these guys and why they think what they think.
I think attack ads should be banned along with the one/two minute soundbite.
I have no idea what Project 2025 is. I’ll have to look into it and why it has democrats so upset.
Eric,
Just done with this thread.
Fred
Biden is known liar and plagerist. Small d democracy, which we’re not, to Obiden is to follow the Democrat’s agenda. Anything counter to it they call fascism.
A detailed description of the injury to President Trump’s ear,
from Ronny Jackson:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/07/20/president-trump-provides-update-on-gunshot-injury/
Jackson’s letter is here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/Trump-Health-7-20-24.jpg
Keith Harbaugh,
I’d trust a report from the doctors at the hospital, but not from Ronny Jackson. He may have been a decent physician, but he’s a Trump true believer who was a little too free with the drugs.
TTG,
Too free with the drugs. Which federal statutes did he violate and where are the charges? How about Joe’s doctors? What are they giving him?
Fred –
The federal statute Jackson violated in freely handing out Ambien, Provigil, et al was 21-USC. No indictments. Why bother, Provigil is a known cognitive enhancer and long term use by Trump is taking a toll on him. That’s justice in itself. Plus they were only schedule IV drugs so low threshold. The DOD IG investigation on Jackson revealed much more. The guy is a total alcoholic, which is why the Navy demoted him from admiral down to captain.
You can thank your lucky stars that Trump failed to make Jackson the Secretary of Veterans Affairs. He would have gutted it. As evidenced by his voting against the PACT Act two years ago. Or maybe he did that just for revenge against the veterans who testified against him? He has been known to hold vengeful grudges.
Leith,
The retired captain is a member of congress from Texas. One hundred and seventy four other representatives voted against that bill also.
Larry Johnson believes it was a conspiracy:
https://youtu.be/Vbavw1XIq-Y
“You don’t get this series of failures just by accident.
…
There’s something else going on here.”
He makes a reasonable argument.
Was it right?
A good question.