COVID-19 Note

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In re COVID-19. People get the virus, but very few die! VERY FEW DIE! Does Trump look dead to you? He had the virus.  pl

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  1. Avatar Nancy K says:

    He also had medical care that no regular person would ever get. No one would even be admitted into a hospital with the mild symptoms he was exhibiting.

  2. Avatar james says:

    true regarding trump, but how many people have access to the same medical attention that trump has?? and, apparently covid has more negative implications for black people.. does any of this matter to mainstream usa? how about universal medicare for the usa, as opposed to constantly pandering to big pharma??

  3. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    No! No! No! You must remain afraid; Very afraid! You might not actually shuffle off this mortal coil if you catch the dreaded virus, but you will linger for years in lasting physical misery from the damage the virus does. Blood clots! Strokes! Baldness! Breathing problems! Leprosy! Body odor! Bunions! Peroni’s disorder! Termites infesting peg legs! Hospitals will be overwhelmed while Trump steals your healthcare! Only Mighty Joe Biden can save us from disaster of Biblical proportions!

  4. Avatar turcopolier says:

    nancy K
    The unattended recovery rate for people under 70 is 97.7%.

  5. Avatar turcopolier says:

    james
    See my response to nancy K.

  6. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Eric Newhill
    I am 80. In my late 20s and 30s I had malaria, Scrub Typhus, hepatitis Type B, dengue and tropical fevers “of unknown origin” I recovered from all of them with minimal care. The group surgeon of 8th SFGA told me at one point that if I were not so healthy I would be dead. So, I would ask those who wish to feed me the crap about how COVID-19 is going to cripple previously healthy people to consider that and my ancient state. Americans are not going to kill their country with lockdowns like the British are doing.

  7. Avatar james says:

    @ pat.. i think eric was joking… that was how i read his comment..

  8. Avatar Fred says:

    James,
    How about hydroxychloriquine, which has been purged from the collective memory? How about send China the bill for our Covid19 care since paying the bill is all “universal medicare” is about – who pays.
    NancyK,
    “No one would even be admitted into a hospital with the mild symptoms he was exhibiting.” How do you know his symptoms or what a hospital is going to do? He’s not a homeless guy on the streets or NYC, who apprently are all dead but not listed anywhere, nor the ones from LA, Seattle or anywhere else. Where did they all go?

  9. Avatar eakens says:

    Out of the 215K deaths, one only needs to look at how many were from Covid-19 alone….

  10. Avatar Dan says:

    To me the key stat with COVID is that the average age of COVID fatalities is right around the usual average age of death. I’ll posit that vast majority of COVID deaths were caused by some other condition, with the COVID they had in their system being incidental or no factor at all in their death.
    Maybe I’m a fool, but seems to me that very few people who contract COVID actually suffer from it, most of the infected only find out by being tested.
    To me, early cases like the cruise ships, aircraft carriers…and China itself, showed that this was not the black plague. Even ideal conditions didn’t produce large death rates. I can tolerate the early panic, we came under fire and had to take cover…..but at some point this became a scam.

  11. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Sir,
    Hey. I’m on your side.
    I was mocking the panicker’s argument. An apparently failed attempt at humor.
    Back to what I do best….I can tell you from the data that people are not experiencing any of those second order effects. It’s more media lies.

  12. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Col Lang,
    Oh duh, you knew I was being facetious. You were just expressing what many of us feel about this.
    I had a tropical fever of unknown origin that almost killed me. Had me in sick bay with a 104 degree fever on a drip line for two days. Lived with complications. Could even children afterwards.. My doctor did a cancer screening last year and seemed a little bewildered, if not outright disappointed that, with me being 40 year smoker, he couldn’t find any signs of cancer anywhere. Then there’s The Rolling Stones; especially Keith Richards.

  13. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Eric Newhill
    I should have been clearer in expressing my criticism of the people feeding us “crap.” I did not mean you.

  14. Avatar Leith says:

    If the untended recovery rate is so low, then why rush Trump to Walter Reed to be treated by a platoon of doctors? Is he that fragile?
    On the other hand I’ve heard some on the left claim Trump never had COVID-19 and that the whole thing was a dog-and-pony-show concocted by himself so he could brag about his recovery and how healthy he is.

  15. Avatar Laura Wilson says:

    Percentage wise yes…nless you are one of the 225,339 who have died from C-19. If you consider that each of them probably has at least 5 people who loved them, miss them and will forever be grieved at their loss, perhaps the number is a little more impressive. But, still, percentages…I once had a professor of finance tell me, “You don’t put percentages in the bank. Think dollars.” We are now in a situation where we are not putting percentages into coffins…we are burying bodies.

  16. Avatar james says:

    @ fred… i have never been impressed with this attitude its the ‘china virus’… i think it’s really hostile to china and encourages xenophobia which is maybe why trump keeps on saying this… how about we might not know the origins -whether it came out of a lab, or what?? as for hydroxychloriquine – i don’t know enough to say… like pat says – i am ignorant of a lot of things, LOLOL!

  17. Avatar Norbert M Salamon says:

    About aa week ago there was a short blurb from CDC:
    Approximately 20 000 deaths can be assigned solely to Covid-19 while the other deaths were due to comorbidity where Covid-19 played minor or no role

  18. Avatar TV says:

    The politicians (mostly wannabe little tyrants) learned a lesson:
    It is very easy to stampede the majority of people (baby sheep) over a cliff.
    This is why I’m not optimistic about Trump being re-elected.
    Too many weak and stupid people looking for mommy.

  19. Avatar srw says:

    Just calculated it. 2.57% death rate per CDC figures. If you’re young and in good health, probably not too much of a problem. Older, obese, high blood pressure, diabetic (normal older diseases) you are in the danger zone. The military has 1.3 million soldiers, sailors, and airmen. There has been only one death of an active duty military person (so far), sailor from the Theodore Roosevelt. They are mostly young, in good health and wear a mask (at least on the military base I’ve been on). My son is an infectious disease doc in the military and he said that the disease mostly takes five or more years off the older population that gets it. I’m 72 and in good health (still a runner) but I sure in the hell am taking precautions until they get the vaccine.

  20. Avatar PRC90 says:

    The majority of Covid deaths are in the age group of those with vast life experience, who will often have co-existing conditions. Is it correct to attribute their deaths to Covid without an autopsy ? Nope. Someone made the distinction between dying Of Covid or With Covid.
    My father died years ago the age of eighty four. He had heart disease, an enlarged heart, reduced lung function, liver disease, and suffered the effects of various war wounds. He died while working in the garden.
    His stated cause of death was heart failure. I suspect that he died of heat exhaustion given the temperature of the day, the amount of work that he had done, his preference for drinking tea rather than water, and a need to get all of his tomato seeds planted before a fishing appointment later in the morning. The physical stress of work was his life’s stock in trade and would not have bothered him for one second. His exploits as a Forestryman were legendary.
    Had he died this year after catching Covid I have no doubt it would have been chalked up to that.

  21. Avatar turcopolier says:

    SRW
    “he said that the disease mostly takes five or more years off the older population that gets it.” How would he know that? My calculation of the death rate across the US population is .06%.

  22. Avatar elaine says:

    james, Workers in the U.S. pay throughout their working years into
    S.S. & Medicare. I think President Obama took over 4Billion dollars
    from Medicare to fund ObamaCare. You’d like to know why we don’t just have universal Medicare & I’d like you to tell me how that would be funded.
    Currently several states that have not already expanded Medicaid
    are in the process of doing so. If that expansion is subject to the rules in place in The Affordable Care Act (ObamaCare) anyone age 55 or older would have 100% of their estate forfeited to the Gov upon their death. Estate Asset Forfeiture even if never received any medical care.

  23. Avatar Deap says:

    Shhhhhh………….do you like want Trump to win, or something?
    Repeat after me……We are in the middle of a pandemic,. The middle,/u> -no way forward, no way out………. and Orangeman bad. /s

  24. Avatar Deap says:

    Sorry ladies, but many who report “long term aftermath effects” from covid are all pretty much women in their forties, who coincidentally are also going into and through menopause, which also comes with the very similar package of vague symptoms they are reporting now as a “post-covid” syndrome. Trust, but verify when one sees these post-covid reports. It is the Change; not covid. Actually midlife men report similar clusters of symptoms too. Happens.

  25. Avatar Bill H says:

    I am 77, have only 60% lung function after 40 years of heavy smoking (stopped in 1984), have had one heart attack and several strokes. Covid=19 gave me a high fever and a cough but did not even put me in the hospital.
    NBC News featured its nightly Corona Virus terror segment by telling us it creates heart damage. They did their usual “example victim” bit, and I suspect it was the fact that she weighed at least 320# that damaged her heart, not the virus.

  26. Avatar English Outsider says:

    Eric Newhill – Your earlier posts on the subject of Covid acted for me as a sharp corrective on attempting to take stats from one country and think they apply to another. And we only have to look at Sweden to see that regional variations make such a difference that we can’t even generalise about what’s happening with the virus in a single country.
    But I still believe this infection is more serious everywhere than, say, a virulent strain of flu.
    A major reason for that derives from the Colonel’s observation above that very few die. I’ve seen no deaths among my own circle, UK or Germany or elsewhere including the US, and have heard of none in the neighbourhood.
    But there are millions who are doing their level best not to be among those few or even among the greater number of those hospitalised. Whatever governments do those millions take precautions. So, for example, trade fell off in our local restaurants even before our first lockdown. Such resultant changes in spending patterns cannot but give the economy a knock. Certainly in the UK, which does not have the advantage of running the world’s reserve currency, we may look for trouble on that front whether HMG adopted a let it rip policy or not.
    And I’m not at all happy with the comorbidity argument. Tens, cumulatively hundreds of thousands are spent on keeping young people suffering from, say, cystic fibrosis alive. Are we now to write them off and say “They’d have died anyway?”
    For these and other reasons – we don’t, after all, know so much about the virus as yet – and even at this late stage, I’d hope to see public health measures devoted, to use a term seen frequently earlier, to “crushing the curve” rather than smoothing it.
    It seems callous to move on from epidemiological to political considerations but it’s serious in that area too. In my country it’s got in the way of a sensible resolution to the Brexit dispute by weakening HMG at a critical time. In yours?
    I still reckon Trump will win. The difficulties there have in any case more to do with legalised voter fraud and an adversarial media. A little while back, though, had anyone suggested that such a candidate as Burisma Biden would run him close they’d have been laughed away.
    Now, there’s no denying that the havoc wrought by Covid has rendered the unthinkable thinkable. The US is closer than it should be to getting into the top job about as unsuitable a President as one could imagine. So really, Covid has turned the politics of the leading Western power into a farce; and it’s still the case that when the US sneezes the rest of us come down with a cold.
    Just a comment on what I hope is an inaccuracy in your post. I refuse to believe, even in the vast medical databases you tend to in your professional capacity, that you’ve ever seen a bill come in for curing termites in a wooden leg.

  27. Avatar NancyK says:

    Fred as a nurse for many years with many friends still in the medical field, I know what standard practice is and believe me what Trump received is not standard practice. Granted Covid does not pose such a huge threat to younger people however there are millions of Americans over the age of 70 and if the virus hits in mass they will swamp all medical facilities and that will impact upon children and younger adults.
    Many diseases cause death from secondary factors, those factors increase the likelihood of contracting the disease and increasing mortality, diseases such as diabetes, obesity, asthma, high blood pressure and heart disease. These factors are more prevalent in older and poorer people. It is not just the homeless person you mention that will succumb to covid. Trump is in the high risk category he is 74, obese, is supposedly on a statin so has some type of underlying cholesterol and or heart problem. He however was rushed to the hospital which a regular person would not be and started on medication supposedly not even aproved yet.

  28. Avatar Fred says:

    James,
    Do you LOL while Trudeau sells out Canada to China?

  29. Avatar Fred says:

    Looks like the Wuhan virus, Covid19 to those of you with delicate feelings, has killed off the flu:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html

  30. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Fred,
    Quoi? Le petit justin?

  31. Avatar rick says:

    In re COVID-19. People get the virus, but very few die! VERY FEW DIE! Does Trump look dead to you? He had the virus. pl
    You raise a good point.
    Not everyone who gets cancer dies. Yet considerable time, effort , and expense is expended every year to avoid it. How foolish is that? Heart disease is, likewise, not uniformly fatal, AND is nearly always a result of lifestyle. I don’t even see why insurance covers that nonsense. If you let heart and cancer patients die, eventually those genes will be out of the pool and we will be herd immune to both cancer and heart disease.
    Almost nobody actually dies of old age. Why bother wasting resources on them that could be growing the economy? Why should someone else’s health concerns effect me? I’m healthy.

  32. Avatar turcopolier says:

    NancyK
    not such a “huge threat?” what threat? Trump. He is the president for god’s sake. Every one of the military hospitals in the DC area has a VIP clinic for government bigwigs to safeguard them. Do you imagine that the president will not receive special treatment? It is useless to argue with you.

  33. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    PRC90,
    In the US, your father would definitely be counted as a covid death if the virus were to be found in his system. In fact, he’d be the typical covid death. In some other countries he would not be; which makes hash out of the country to country comparison of effectiveness of intervention on the metric of fatality rate – a very silly comparison for other reasons as well.
    Due to the vagaries of the methodologies for determining what exactly is a covid death, it is near impossible to arrive at a clear picture of the fatality rate, but Col Lang’s .06% is going to be very close to it.

  34. Avatar turcopolier says:

    rick
    You express the usual brain-dead sentimental leftist inability to think straight. I speak of ENTIRE POPULATIONS not the fate of individuals. Individuals must be cared for. It is a moral duty. As for Trump, once again. HE IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE US, dummy!

  35. Avatar Fred says:

    Col.,
    Justin’s a work in progress:
    https://pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2018/11/14/prime-minister-announces-strengthened-partnership-china
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/tmac-resources-purchase-agreement-1.5576240
    Then there’s the legislation surrounding SNC-Lavalin, though specificly linked to Libya, changing the law to protect the guilty seems right out of the central committee playbook.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNC-Lavalin_affair#Introduction_of_deferred_prosecution_agreements
    Then there is the mandatory speech requirements of Bill C16
    https://westerncourier.com/46963/opinions/the-controversy-over-the-bill-c-16/

  36. Avatar Fred says:

    Nancy K,
    Granted Covid does not pose such a huge threat to younger people however there are millions of Americans over the age of 70 and if the virus hits in mass they will swamp all medical facilities and that will impact upon children and younger adults.
    Did you forget the 15 days to slow the spread that is now in month 9? Did you forget the Javits Center, the hospital ships, Cuomo’s demand for 30,000 ventilators? Did you forget that multiple states – and it was the states not the federal government – stopped routine medical and dental care? Have you forgotten all that?
    How many people are going to die because cancer screenings weren’t happening? How many suicides and drug O.D.’s due to mandatroy lockdowns? How is that not medical malpractice?
    How about the lock downs of schools and businesses? That’s the largest” impact upon children and younger adults.” For what, so somebody’s grandmother can have a reduced risk from a virus that is 95% survivable in their age group? To hell with their grandmothers, they can ‘stay home, stay safe’ and mask up to assuage their fear. We shouldn’t betray our children to keep granny from being afraid, or elect Joe Biden either.

  37. Avatar Serge says:

    Fred,
    China-Canada relations have soured significantly since late 2018. Regarding SNC-Lavalin, Trudeau was protecting Quebec from the feds so I have to give the man a pass.Bill C16 is unconscionable but is a product of the same virulent strain of leftism running unchecked in both the US and Canada, not anything unique to Trudeau or his ideas. And it’s not as bad as Harper’s C51, in the wider view.

  38. Avatar srw says:

    PL,
    Death rate across the US population is .06%.True. Death rate from those who catch the virus, 2.6%. The .06% death rate for the US population is current. The disease has not run its course in the US so will most assuredly will be higher in the end. Good news about the death rate for those who catch the disease is that they know a lot more on how to treat it so I imagine the figure will go down.

  39. Avatar fakebot says:

    That’s the least of it, Justin has expressed admiration for China’s “basic dictatorship.”
    https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-under-fire-for-expressing-admiration-for-china-s-basic-dictatorship-1.1535116

    Speaking to a sold-out crowd of women, Trudeau was responding to a question about which nation’s administration he most admired.
    The Liberal leader said: “There’s a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime and say, ‘We need to go green … we need to start investing in solar.’”
    (… He later clarified those remarks)
    “I pointed out that globally, Canada is up against big countries (China, for one) that can address some major issues quickly,” he wrote on Twitter.
    “It’s ridiculous for anyone to suggest that I of all people would trade our rights and freedoms for any other system of (government).”

  40. Avatar Robert Bernard says:

    Where is the proof that Trump ever tested positive? How do we know this is not a political ploy?

  41. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    EO,
    Ha ha. No. Never actually seen a claim for termites in a peg leg, but it sounds like a Democrat’s apocalyptic vision of the state of US healthcare under a Trump administration. If Biden made the statement, I wouldn’t even be a little bit surprised. That said, we do have claims for the Peroni’s Disorder. There’s a drug for it. Despite the belief that insurance doesn’t care about people’s needs, we pay for the drug and therapy.
    I don’t think you’re presenting the comorbidity argument correctly. The only people who are withdrawing care from those who need it are the lockdown advocates, de facto, because people in need can’t get doctors appointments and other services (see what Fred, correctly, stated above).
    Actually, I wouldn’t even call it an argument; more a statement of fact. The avg life span in the US is around 78 years and change. The avg age of the deaths attributed to covid is 78 and change. The UK has similar stats, though slightly higher avg age for both metrics. I know what I see in our data re comorbidities (albeit with very low volumes of medical Tx due to covid) and last week I was CC’ed on a report from one of our actuarial consultant vendors that compiles data from across a number of insurance companies. The bottom line is that those who’s deaths are attributed to covid do not have very many years of life ahead of them covid or no covid. The biggest volume buckets are those who had < 1 year and 1 to 2 years of expected life left. I don't know what else to say other than we, and our loved ones, are all going to die some day and we need to get used to that idea. And that decisions in life are always based on a set of trade-offs, not a bad choice versus utopia. Trump is 100% correct - from a societal standpoint - that the "cure" cannot be worse than the disease.

  42. Avatar Deap says:

    Leith, How do you “rush the President to the hospital” when Walter Reed is only a mile or so from the White House? Surely the phrase “an abundance of caution” is now well embedded into the covid-overkill vocabulary so this preventive move was appropriate.
    Seems I read Trump’s “oxygen saturation” level had dropped to 94, on point below the normal threshold of 95. Walter Reed has a platoon of doctors because that is the function of Walter Reed. Normal business operations, particularly when the Commander in Chief is the honored guest.
    Now you tell me after seeing Trump on the campaign trail “post-covid, is he that fragile? After you sort all of that out, then get back to me when you make up your mind whether Trump – the Super Spreader in Chief – was just faking “covid” or not?
    What is your real point – why such a bad case of untreated TDS, that you had to dig so deeply in order to construct your “covid” scenario? Trump is gonna die vs Trump was faking it – both on the same set of facts. My head spins trying to keep up with you. What is your personal stake in this election?

  43. Avatar Diana L Croissant says:

    To steal a quote, but one that is applicable nowadays:
    “We have nothing to fear but fear itself.”
    I think the Democrats try to frighten people into voting for them by using the virus and then touting their big-government fixes.
    As I’ve written before, I have lived through so many “scary” disease epidemics in my life: measles of both kinds, mumps, strep infections, and polio. And don’t forget West Nile Virus (Was that Ebola?) and SARS and others. I caught some of the less scary and more common viruses and lived and lived through the epidemics sometimes without catching them.
    Over the years, and partially thanks to Dr. Salk, I have become a fan of our American medical system. But, I am also a Christian and do not fear death. To some that makes me a sucker; but if a person actually believes, it provides a great expectation of a better place once one goes through death.
    And that it why the Democrats dislike Christians, who are the least likely to fall for their scare tactics. Our church, for example, shut down only two weekends until we had the sanitizing protocol in place for the building. We do NOT wear masks. So far, I know of none member who has come down with the virus. Other denominations in our town have not held services since the virus scare first surfaced. that causes me only to be happy that I am a member of a congregation of real believers.

  44. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Deap
    7.5 miles as the crow flies.

  45. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Robert Bernard
    So, you think all these doctors at the WH and Walter Reed are lying? C’mon, man.

  46. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    srw,
    Yes. We have learned how to better treat severe covid cases. That will drop the death rate among those with serious infections. Part of that formula is that hospitals are no longer inappropriately slapping people onto vents – they were doing that in the first few months of this thing. Vents are very dangerous and can kill people by themselves in various ways. Additionally, one of the early protocols was to put the vent patient into a coma; another potentially lethal treatment. The hospitals killed a lot of patients that would have lived with overly aggressive treatment. Remember, if you’re doubting me, that “medical errors” kill, conservatively, 330K Americans every year. Anesthesia errors kill a lot of people even in routine operations.
    Your approach to the calculation does not take into account all of the undiagnosed cases. Surely that figure is an order of magnitude larger than confirmed case counts. With the typical infection not causing serious symptoms, most people either don’t know they have contracted the virus, or they just think they have a common cold or flu at worst. They don’t get tested. There is also a disincentive for getting tested in that in many states you get locked down and your friends and neighborhood businesses are contact traced and subjected to similar punitive measures. Who want that hassle, or to inflict it on others?
    We are all going to contract the virus sooner or later. There is simply no way to prevent that. Masks won’t help. It is impossible for everyone to socially isolate for a year or more. The weakest will lose a year or so of whatever life they had ahead of them. A small number will lose more than a year; maybe three or four. So what? There are lots of conditions that are causing a greater loss of years on the material plane of existence and we don’t care or do anything about it. Obesity is just one of these. Once you take the desperate politics out of it, the answer is to take care of your own health and to live life to its fullest – whatever that means to you – and except that any day, covid or no covid, could be your last on earth. Or, in other words, stop being a coward.

  47. Avatar turcopolier says:

    srw
    “Death rate from those who catch the virus, 2.6%.” Sure but we don’t know how many of these died of the virus and not some co-morbidity.

  48. Avatar EEngineer says:

    @SRW
    Do you have a publicly accessible link to the number of military deaths due to (or with) CV19?

  49. Avatar james says:

    @ elaine.. i can’t answer your question as the usa situation is completely confusing to me, an ignoramus who lives in canada!
    @ fred… yes, i will LOL that too! fact is both canada and the usa sold out to china a long time ago… we no longer live in this world of nationalism, but one of corporatism… corporations rule and they want to do whatever they want for profit and are happy to screw any concepts of nationalism… unfortunately not many people see it like me and are still under the false impression that they have a country that is independent from the designs of corporate rule… they are wrong as i see it… so – yeah LOL to your idea too.. it already happened.. same deal with the idea of the usa not selling out to china.. that horse left the barn a long time ago.. just ask the CEO of walmart or any other CEO that is completely beholden to the cheap labour and etc. etc. from china… i can’t believe how easily fooled people are… but – remember, i am ignorant, LOLOL!

  50. Avatar English Outsider says:

    Thanks Eric. My lovely century old pitchfork has just started to get woodworm I’ve noticed. Shan’t be coming your way for a remedy looks like. Googled the condition you mention and wish there were a way of ungoogling it. Chamber of horrors, the medical line. So many horrors that it seems to me the best argument against Intelligent Design is that it isn’t.
    Can’t speak of the States, as said. But I’d like to see the thing being handled better in the UK. A ton of money is being spent and I think it could be better targeted. I’m beginning to get the notion that the real problem is excessive centralisation. Won’t go into that further here. Maybe sometime when there aren’t other matters to the fore you could set out your views on that, seeing it all as you do from the inside.

  51. Avatar Fred says:

    Eric,
    “Obesity is just one of these.” Yes. What America needs now is a healthy dose of ‘fat shaming’.
    “Or, in other words, stop being a coward.”
    I was going to write a post asking if Joe Biden is running to be “Coward in Chief”, but events are overtaking the opportunity.

  52. Avatar Deap says:

    Biden’s covid plan – stop testing and the numbers will drop dramatically; use less sensitive tests and the numbers will drop dramatically; stop writing coincidental covid positives as leading cause of death and list only the leading co-morbidity as the cause of death.
    Poof. covid crisis is over — just because we elected Biden. Fauci will sign off on this Biden Plan, and not miss a beat.

  53. Avatar Ulenspiegel says:

    Dan wrote: ” I’ll posit that vast majority of COVID deaths were caused by some other condition”
    That is nonsense. In Hamburg (Germany) an autopsy was performed on hundreds of patients who died with cov-19, more than 80% of them died from cov-19.

  54. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    EO,
    Healing prayers being sent for your antique pitchfork.
    IMO, assuming equal funding per capita and equal competence of administration, the effectiveness of centralization is inversely related to the diversity (both geographic and demographic) of the population to be served.

  55. Avatar Fred says:

    Ulenspiegel,
    You left out all the details, like age and comorbidity. Just how many people was that and over what period of time?
    “RESULTS:Median patient age was 73 years (range, 52 to 87 years), 75% of patients were male, and death occurred in the hospital (n = 10) or outpatient sector (n = 2). Coronary heart disease and asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease were the most common comorbid conditions (50% and 25%, respectively). Autopsy revealed deep venous thrombosis in 7 of 12 patients (58%) …”
    https://europepmc.org/article/PMC/7240772
    It killed old fat people, in Hamburg mostly men. Keep keeping the details secret, we’d sure hate live without fear.

  56. Avatar Artemesia says:

    Nick: “Not everyone who gets cancer dies. Yet considerable time, effort , and expense is expended every year to avoid it. How foolish is that?”
    1.. One of the multitude of guest “experts” that C Span hosts to reinforce Covid fear, one Amesh Adalja, said at the end of his commentary that “coronavirus is the third-leading cause of death [after heart disease and cancer]. https://www.c-span.org/person/?127756
    2. Cancer diagnoses and deaths have been tracked for at least the past decade; approximately 1.8 million people will be diagnosed with cancer; between 32% and 35% of them will die, many of those deaths will occur after extremely expensive and painful treatment. https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/understanding/statistics
    3. Yet entire economies are not shut down in efforts to avoid cancer.
    4. After the death of his son, Joe Biden obtained government funding for a “cancer moon-shot;” he also started a foundation for research into cancer cures. He has since closed down his private foundation.
    Why is that?
    Has a cure for cancer been found? Joe is unambiguous about his intention to strong-arm local- to state- to federal authorities to impose (what I consider unwarranted & draconian) masking mandates to “halt the spread of” a virus that kills less than one percent of people it infects, but he has abandoned efforts to find a cure for the Number 2 cause of deaths in the USA.
    5. Co-incident with the spread of The Virus, the world is experiencing the proliferation of 5G networks. There are many participants in this Committee who are far more technologically aware than I; from my perspective, having undergone extensive treatment for cancer, I wonder about the health effects of 5G networks. Does the increase in EMF contribute to the increase in cancers? Should the public be educated on measures to take to protect themselves from over-exposure to possible cancer-causing sources (for example, I have been advised to wear a scarf while driving, since sunlight through a window over an extended period of time may have contributed to the cancer on my neck/face).
    Surgeons who treated my disease wore masks in the operating theater; and as I underwent radiation treatments I was fitted with a full-face molded mask that immobilized my head to enable precision delivery of radiation.
    But I think masks for the general public are dumb: as I observe their use, it’s sloppy and haphazard, exercises in conformity not in health. Moreover, the clerk at the Dollar Store and the rent-a-cop at the local library — none of whom has the training of my surgeon or oncologist nor awareness of my medical situation — have empowered themselves to demand that I wear THIS mask in THIS way, or else I cannot use the services my taxes pay for (in the case of the library).
    If my cancer recurs, it will likely kill me; I’ve exhausted remedies. I’m pretty firmly in that 32% range.
    A <1% chance of dying from a virus is not something that makes me so fearful that I will upend my life.

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