The House approved a resolution on Tuesday condemning the “drastic rise of antisemitism” in the U.S. and around the world following Hamas’ unprecedented attack on Israel on Oct. 7 — a vote that fractured Democrats and prompted liberal accusations that Republicans were trying to “weaponize Jewish pain.”
The chamber voted 311-14-92 on the measure, which reaffirms the House’s strong support for the Jewish community across the globe; calls on elected officials and world leaders to condemn antisemitism; rejects all forms of terror, hate, discrimination and harassment against individuals in the Jewish community and “clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.”
The House approved the resolution despite a last-minute effort by a group of prominent Jewish Democrats urging members of their caucus to vote “present” on the legislation — which 92 did. Reps. Jerry Nadler (D-N.Y.), Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) and Dan Goldman (D-N.Y.) issued a statement earlier on Tuesday criticizing the resolution as “the latest unserious attempt by Republicans to weaponize Jewish pain and the serious problem of antisemitism to score cheap political points.”
The coalition argued that the measure was redundant because the House approved a resolution last week affirming Israel’s right to exist as an independent state, while also saying Tuesday’s measure “does not account for the complexity of Judaism itself and ignores nuanced examples such as the Satmar sect, a Hasidic Jewish movement, which remains staunchly anti-Zionist and quite obviously not antisemitic.”
Comment: This is a boneheaded move. Either the congress critters who drafted this are exceeding ignorant of both Judaism and Zionism or the Israel Firsters really know how to take advantage of the current situation. Equating antisemitism with anti-Zionism is just flat wrong… unless you’re a Zionist. At least some of the Democratic Representatives see this. The three that issued the statement criticizing the resolution are Jewish and know the difference.
TTG
“clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism”
It does indeed appear to be an odd bit of logic.
Since Zionism is a political ideology while being Jewish is an ethnicity then I can’t see how that statement can be true: it is perfectly possible to be a supporter of Zionism without being Jewish, just as it is perfectly possible to be opposed to Zionism while being Jewish.
I see that Nadler, Raskin and Goldman criticized that line (though they didn’t vote against the Resolution), but what is missing in that quote is any indication of who actually sponsored that resolution.
They should be named, and shamed.
There is a subtle logic to the resolution that should become generally obvious if everyone would stop hyperventilating for a minute. Jews are never fully safe in other countries. Centuries of pogroms, the Holocaust and recent protests have proven that. So, without Israel (Zionism) the Jews are perpetually at risk of being maltreated, if not totally exterminated. Denying Jews their own country – a sanctuary – is, de facto, antisemitism.
Of course, the resolution also represents the usual political gaming, i.e. vote for this or be labeled a racist bigot Nazi. But that sort of thing is SOP in US politics.
So much sound and fury signifying nothing. Israel is not going anywhere. The Palestinians are not going to get anything out of this other than the ass whooping they asked for with their ill-advised Oct 7th attack. Sympathy for their “cause”, such that it is, will go the way of the once ubiquitous Ukrainian colors on social media accounts and associated breathless nightly news reports; into the ether of the memory hole that is all that remains of so many other faddish, propaganda driven, faux moral outrages.
I think you’re wrong to imagine that things will go back to business as usual when the Israel-Hamas War ends.
IMO, there has been a tipping point in US public opinion, though it isn’t a majority phenomenon yet. The Israel Lobby is no longer invincible; their hubris and sleazy tactics have made enemies even among people and politicians who are natural friends of Israel (like Raskin, Sanders, etc). I suspect that the Lobby recognizes this; that’s why they are spending (over?) $100 Million in primary campaigns against AOC’s Squad.
Similarly, Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians across the last couple decades has eroded support in Europe and the rest of the world. Israel is becoming a Pariah Nation, not unlike Apartheid South Africa in the years before the ANC took over.
Sadly, forcing a Congressional Resolution claiming that “anti-Zionism is antisemitism” will actually hasten the decline of American support for Israel (and it will also hasten the decline of America, as it requires more Thought Police).
Maybe you’re right about support, pariah, etc. People are stupid and fail to learn. Look what happened to South Africa post-apartheid. Israel understands that lesson – always did. Stupid savages are going to stupidly savage and leave ruin in their wake. Then want more good stuff to destroy.
Screw the opinion of people that don’t know and don’t have to live with the fallout of their romantic social justice notions. It’s all intellectual imperialism. I hope, for her sake, Israel ignores it all and continues to spend whatever it has to in order to counter the nonsense.
Israel can spend all they want. Just not my tax dollars. Not another penny. We have ZERO interests in Israel, no national interests, no strategic interests. Our only interests in Israel are emotional, with a shrinking percentage of Americans, and religious for whom the destruction of Israel and the Jewish people, plays a role in their end times cult.
Israel has been a net drain on America in every manner. Time for it to end. They are not a “western country just like us” they are a Middle Eastern country with all that entails.
Stefan,
We do have a geostrategic interest in Israel. 70% of their port of Haifa was purchased earlier this year by India. They did this to leapfrog China’s BRI. Israel would be the terminating port from the proposed IMEC corridor (UAE, Saudi, Jordan, Israel) bringing Indian trade to Europe by bypassing three strategic choke points controlled by the BRI. The IMEC is one of our Silk Road trade checkmates against China. This also would have further reinforced the Abram Accords and form an Arab security pact to counterbalance Iran and their axis of resistance which may allow us to further minimize our military footprint in the region. Saudi Arabia was expecting Israeli negotiations on recognizing a Palestinian state but this whole conflict and Israel’s vengeance dissolves all the Arab relationships, negotiations, and agreements attached to both the Accords and the corridor. The only way it will be salvageable at this point is for Israel to recognize and come to peace with Palestinians. We should have an interest in keeping Israel from displacing all of Gaza, ethnic cleansing the West Bank, and helping a formal recognition of a binational state or two state, otherwise the Accords and the corridor is a pipe dream.
There is nothing “subtle” about this resolution, Eric, and it has nothing to do with ensuring a “sanctuary” for Jews.
It is all about stifling dissent.
Nothing more. No less.
And, no, no ethnic or racial group is “owed” a country of their own because they complain about past grievances.
“Jews are never fully safe in other countries. Centuries of pogroms, the Holocaust and recent protests have proven that.”
Talk about hyperventilating!
This is a symptom of a mental illness. Please describe some of the pogroms that Jews have experienced in the US over the centuries. Someone has been consuming MUCH TOO MUCH of the ADL swill.
Frankie P
Kissinger, actually a Jew himself, really couldn’t stand them and commented that a people doesn’t get itself kicked out of 110 countries for no reason whatsoever, and that from his dealings with them he could understand why.
The sacred cow aspect to this group really needs to stop and needs to very badly. They are immensely powerful in mass media of all types including publishing, radio, TV, newspapers, Hollywood and business, finance and government. You don’t get power without use of force – read the Einstein – Freud corresponding of the early 1930s “Why War?” It’s spelled out there what power is and how it’s achieved and maintained and to what ends. Without any particular reference to the Jews but the point stands and if you apply it to them you need to conclude that logically they have to be, to be where they are, the most aggressive and self-serving people who’ve ever walked the planet. Do you think loansharks are nice people? Do they get their debts paid by helping old ladies cross the street? Do bankers and financiers? Was Benjamin Disraeli a Mary Poppins? We are talking Victorian colonialism and the Crimean War at least with him. Meyer Lansky head of the US organized crime syndicate who blackmailed J Edgar Hoover. Rothstein the gambler, bookie and bootlegger. Lepke Buchalter was head of Murder Incorporated, Bugsy Siegel, Mickey Cohen etc. Roy Cohn. Bernie Madoff and other notorious financier crooks like Milkin too numerous to name.
The grip they have is really deep and is founded in mythology and religion and pushed in recent times by ultra right crazy christian fundamentalists and rapture lunatics who are crazier than the worst psychosis ward at Bellevue deprived of its meds for six weeks and injected with crystal meth. And if anyone still doesn’t get it – look what they’re doing in Gaza. Their so called holy book is a chronicle of genocide, murder, delusion and wickedly evil kings. Their Talmud and other works are a twenty century long Mein Kampf describing their plans for complete world domination and revenge upon the gentiles. This is well known for ages but you can’t point to it without being destroyed and at best labeled an antisemite. Alexander Solzhenitsyn was celebrated here for his novels chronicling repressive Soviet communism and won a Nobel prize but his two volume book on the Jews in Russia and the USSR is banned in America. Kissinger couldn’t stand them, Shakespeare detested them and Einstein called the founders of the Israeli state terrorists and criminals when he turned down the offer to be the first President of Israel.
And they can take their nauseating braggadocio about how many Nobel prizes they have and shove it. Do you want me to list the geniuses who made incredible discoveries in science BEFORE the Nobel prize ever came into being? No, because you be here into next week reading the names and NONE of them were Jewish. Archimedes, Eratosthenes, Euclid, Bacon, Pascal, Fermat, Lavoisier, Newton, Maxwell, Heavyside, Riemann, Gauss, Faraday, Hertz, Planck, Heisenberg, William Rowan Hamilton, Euler, Lagrange, Laplace, Edison, Ford, Whitney, Franklin etc etc etc.
” Kissinger, actually a Jew himself, really couldn’t stand them and commented that a people doesn’t get itself kicked out of 110 countries for no reason whatsoever, and that from his dealings with them he could understand why.”
Did Kissinger really make that comment? Is there a verified true link to a verified true report of that being an actual Kissinger quote?
I looked on a couple of “Kissinger’s most famous quotes” websites and found gems like these . . .
” Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries
Henry A. Kissinger” . . .
and . . . ” The elderly are useless eaters.”
and . . . ” World population needs to be decreased by 50% ”
and . . . ” Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.”
and . . . ” Democracy is too important to leave up to the votes of the people.”
and lots of other fun quotes.
But I didn’t find one for what you write that he said about the Jews. So do you have a link to a source to a real quote he really said to that effect?
different clue
Well, I find it hard to believe that you couldn’t find one link, because it took me precisely 5 seconds to find this reference. This reference is in a Jewish publication btw, so his statements about jews must be notorious – hardly unknown. The most piquant known to me are found on some of the Nixon tapes. But here you go – one paragraph from the 1st hit on a Google search. Btw also – I am not a virtuoso at searching, this was a caveman level search. Which makes me not only not believe you but suspect that you are a hasbara of some variety who read only the first sentence of my posted comment before becoming indignant. Some people Just can’t stand having it illustrated to the world that Gaza now is a barbaric, ongoing genocidal atrocity being committed by delusional and murderous racist religious supremacists. Supported, financed and armed to the teeth by a religious-military empire, the US which has long been infected with similar if not the same psychotic delusions. So you can go tell mommy or your priest or rabbi that you stuck up for the poor, poverty-stricken, homeless, oppressed jews and that you’re a good boy.
If that’s too harsh then in your favor I suspect what happened might be that you looked up Henry Kissinger’s most memorable sayings on a site specifically devoted to such. And forgot to consider or couldn’t formulate the idea that such sites are not going to include quotes like the ones below which are negative regarding Jews because the site owners and directors are either Jewish themselves or intelligent enough to know how taboo it is to quote such statements and that doing so would constitute a disservice to their larger cause. Bottom line though – you are either dishonest or an incredibly lazy person.
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https://newrepublic.com/article/177334/did-henry-kissinger-hate-jews
The question of Kissinger’s alleged antisemitism is a complicated one. Yes, he told a friend in the 1970s that Judaism “has no significance for me,” according to Walter Isaacson’s 1992 biography, and is also quoted as having said in 1972, “If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be antisemitic.” Another gem from that year: “Any people who has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.”
Well bless your heart.
And thank you for the link. Why were you too lazy to include it to begin with?
You must have all the Jews in the world living rent-free inside your head. How do you fit that many people into such a tiny space?
different clue,
Well it’s not a great mystery. You see what with the intense and notorious money-grubbing propensities of the people under discussion, once you let it be known that it’s rent free nothing on earth can get them to leave despite restricted leg room.
Colonel Lang demonstrated how to be anti-zionist or counter-zionist or however one wants to put that without any anti-semitism at all. It just requires a clear mind knowledgeable of the relevant basics and the relevant details.
I suspect the Republican HouseMembers who wrote and/or voted for this wanted to own the liberals and the left, and win pro-Israel or anti-Palestine voters away from any Democratic Representatives who voted against it and also any who could be accused of showing insufficient enthusiasm for it even while voting for it. Maybe it was also designed to make those voting against it and saying why look like a bunch of twittering intellectuals stuck in their own cobwebs of detailization and nuancification.
It also reminds me of something I read once but can’t find a reference to now . . . about how Mike Huckabee once lectured a group of mid-level Jewish leaders about how he was being a better zionist than they were . . . . not in a spirit of trying to gain their favor but rather in a spirit of telling them they needed to shape up, straighten out and fly right.
allow me to translate for Huckabee (& that latest Mike, Moses of the House, too);
“since all you Semites who created the One True God have failed, us ‘Murican owners of the Real Jesus franchise will take it from here. bless yer hearts.”
Semites created the One True God.
Yes, but not jews.
Other semites, egyptians.
More precisely Pharaon Aménophis IV -1365 / – 1337 aka Akhenaton.
Long before jews left Egypt.
They just stole this idea, as they stole “simplified hieroglyphs”, used by egyptians, sribes to create hebrew.
I guess ol’ Akhenaton shoulda patented his novel concept. what a stupid man-god.
aside from that oversight, via Britannica; “Scholars have argued in favor of monotheism, henotheism, agnosticism and almost everything in between.” in consideration of the god-type he represented. Aten (a form of the already extant Sun God) was merely elevated to official state status of “first among many”. one might suggest Akhenaton’s motive was to create a political god that fused his mortal status w/ god-head. maybe Akhenaton (“Effective for Aten”) did’t introduce monotheism so much as theocratic dictatorship – a monarch who fused man & god for temporal political power? it all fell apart upon his death anyway – ain’t ancient history neat?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aten
Only problem with that is the ancient Egyptians were not Semitic They are from North African.
Guess who’s going to get primaried by AIPAC this election cycle? They did it to Cynthia McKinney twice. Cori Bush is already being challenged by a pro Israel lobby black democrat.
My guess: Massie
Frankie P,
Congressman David Kustoff (R) of Tennessee introduced the resolution. Don’t know who else might have been involved or if he was responsible for the line of “clearly and firmly states that anti-Zionism is antisemitism.” Other than that one line, the resolution is just a stand against antisemitism, which is clearly on the rise.
So is Islamophobia. One Palesstinian boy murdered since October 7th, other Palestinians shot, assaults, ect. All in the US. But I guess that doesn’t merit action.
Massie is safe. He is like Ron Paul. Principled. In Rand Paul territory.
Cori Bush on the other hand, no principles just rabble rouse, defund the police, and menopausal black woman crazy. Her new opponent is the St Louis County prosecutor. He rose to popularity after Ferguson much like Bush by riding the BLM and promising to revisit investigating new charges against Officer Wilson. Cori Bush was the first black congresswoman and Westley Bell the first black prosecutor. They are both popular among the black community. He is a son of a cop, a former public defender, and former municipal judge in Ferguson. He was going to run for US senate.
However, he dropped out of his senate primary race days after Cori Bush voted against Israeli lobby. He wouldn’t do something like that to a friend unless he was given a deal he couldn’t turn down or smelled blood. AIPAC wants this bitch gone.
This just might be the end of some squad members. It may also make Michigan a red state.
I appreciate Nadler, Raskin, and Goldmans actions in stopping all those other hate filled actions over the past years. Especially in the summer of “mostly peaceful”. Congress has never before done ‘bone headed’ moves to score “cheap political points”. Speaking of which anyone know what happened to all that videos of the depositions the J6 committee conducted went?
On this one, I totally agree with you. Palestinians are semites, most Ashkenazi are not. Why me, an Australian has “the right of return” to a place that none of my ancestors lived in, or even visited, is beyond me. Just because I can trace my matrilineal ancestry back a couple of centuries to Jewish ancestors should be irrelevant. The last practising Jewess was I think my great-great-grandmother, though some Jewish customs and practices remained even in my mother.
The Zionists are not all Ashkenazi. And at least there is some kind of cultural connection to Israel even for those who are. It’s not like Australia, where the Brits just decided to dump their criminals on an utterly foreign continent so they could steal it from the Aboriginals while settling it and preparing it for further Anglo invasion.
The majority of Jews in Israel come from Arab/North African backgrounds. They look little to no different than the non Jews of the lands they came from. Remove the payos and you’ll see no difference between Yemeni Jews and non Jewish Yemenis, except Jewish Yemenis dont usually wear the jambiya (knife). So the majority of Israelis come from Semitic lands. It is a family fight, and those are the worst. DNA studies have shown that Jews from the Arab lands share a large percentage of DNA with Palestinians. Somewhere along the line the same peoples adopted different religions, but on a DNA level the majority of Israelis are the same peoples as the Palestinians.
Ironic, because Palestinians are often called the Jews of the Arab world for the way they are treated, misconceptions and discrimination they have faced. They are all the same people…..and as Americans, we have no practical interests one way or the other. We need to remove ourselves from the issue. Our involvement is making peace impossible as long as one side feels they have the backing of the world’s super power.
Stefan,
I agree with you that no US tax dollars should be spent on anything having to do with Israel – and most certainly no US troops. That is also my opinion about Ukraine, Europe, Taiwan, Iraq and a dozen other places around the world.
If something flares up that is truly big and a serious impact to US interests, like North Korea jumping off an invasion of South Korea, the US should simply obliterate NoKo with nuclear weapons, end of story. SoKo is a valuable business partner.
Personally, I could care less about Israel and even less than that about Arabs and Muslims in general as long as they don’t attack us. They are all small potatoes in the world. US interests in that region? The obvious one is oil. Israel doesn’t have any and neither do the Palestinians. The Saudis and Gulfies are another story and we will have to play relatively nice with them, as we have been.
All I’m saying, at bottom, is that Israel is going to do what it’s going to do and it has as much right as any other world power to take and hold onto what it can. Israel also has a cultural/historical basis for its actions that cannot be denied. All nations have behaved like Israel, without exception and often with less cultural/historical justification, and to single out and criticize Israel is hypocrisy in the extreme. Make no doubt, the Muslims would do the same and have in the past.
I eschew mealy mouthed social justice sophistry. Life on earth is rough, cruel and unfair. Deal with it. Any time “righteous” social justice concepts have been implemented to “save” the downtrodden du jour, more have suffered and died in the long run. That shit just doesn’t work anymore than other popular silly ideas, like humans altering millennia long climate trends. Some things are just plain bigger than Washington DC, Harvard professors and think tanks.
No one cares about DNA studies. People – all of them, all over the world – flock together with those who look like them and think like them and, no, all people are not the same.
If Israel has a right to do what it is doing then so do rhe Palestinians. Let’s stop acting horrified when Christian and Muslim Palestinians do things outside of international law then run cover for the Israelis. Either international law counts for all, or it counts for no one. At the end of the day the only thing that will make both people’s safe is for a viable peace solution. Short of ethnic cleansing, there is no military solution. Even that wouldn’t warm unless the Israelis would also ethnically cleanse Lebanon, Syria and Jordan as well. The Palestinians will no more give up the right than the Israelis will. My father used to say that the only way there will be peace in the region is just to bomb the entire place into a giant parking lot. He might have been onto something.
This sort of confirms what I conclude in my tiny mind. Mizrahi an Sephardi have a blood feud with Arabs that go back centuries. The Ashkenazi (Jews from Europe with primarily European Mitochondria DNA) are sort of detached from this family feud. Ashkenazi have familial memories of pogroms, holocaust, and genocide as well. The Mizrahi and Sephardi do not.
Condotierre –
The Spanish (and Portuguese) Jews suffered different forms of oppression than the Eastern and central European Jews. The expulsions of the Islamic occupiers under Ferdinand and Isabella and Catholic inquisitions. Moslems and Jews were burned at the stake. That was preceded by conversions, both forced but mostly voluntary. Netanyahus’s father made his academic reputation with a book on the saga of the so-called “conversos” which argued that those Christians were pursued and persecuted with extra fervor on suspicion that they secretly practiced their ancient Jewish religion. There were also Jewish communities in France, Italy and especially Amsterdam which was long home to the diamond cutting business.
Maybe I’m wrong but from what I understand the Mizrahi and maybe Sephardi are the right wing harboring enmity towards the Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims. The Ashkenazi for the most part are more and moderate to liberal.
That’s true to some extent but it’s much more complex and tawdry than that. For example Eastern European and Dutch Jews despised each other up until the Nazi era, they didn’t need arabs in order to hate. The extremely wealthy New York city Jews of the early 19th century also really didn’t like the massive and hugely impoverished and often criminal influx from Poland (which was in the Russian empire) and Russia of the mid to late 19th century. They were embarrassed by them, found them appallingly backward and crude, and a threat to Jewish prestige in the new world which was considerable. As everyone knows by now the organized crime syndicate in America had its origins in collaboration between Jewish and Sicilian mobsters in NY city. Chicago was more diverse and included Irish in the famous “Outfit” along with the Jews and Italians. One of the Outfit’s master criminals was Welsh in origin, and Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, was well known to have been involved with them.
Government media in the Gaza Strip: the death toll as a result of Israeli aggression has reached 17,177 people, including 7,739 children, and 7,700 missing persons have been reported.
17,177 + 7,700 = 24,877
The ratio 7,739 to 17,177 of children to total deaths is .45
Reasonably assuming the ration also applies to the 7,700 missing, then an additional 2,671 children are killed which means that a total of 10,410 children have been murdered.
So far. But Reuters reported “hundreds” of additional deaths this morning.
And according to the House of Representatives of the USA if you object to this, then you are an antisemite. Therefore, I, F&L, am an antisemite.
F&L
Aren’t Palestinians Semites as well ?
I have nothing against Palestinians. I was misusing the word antisemite in the way it is intended to be misused by Americans who are increasingly indistinguishable from lunatics, idiots, criminals etc take your pick or fill in the blank. \_______\
F&L
this situation around Gaza reminds me of another incident.
The Bosnian Serb attack on the enclave of Srebrenica in 1995.
At the time, the Serbs claimed that te Bosnian Muslim army used the enclave to attack the neighbouring Serb villages purposefully inflicting a lot of civilian casualties in the process.
The Serbs decided to take over the enclave and proceeded to commit a war crime by separating the male population from women and small children and then murdering them en masse. Some 8000 people perished in this crime.
The US at the time, condemned this action and soon after, proceeded to bomb Bosnian Serb military sites.
Today, after the deadly Hamas raid, we have Israel bombing Gaza, killing not only Hamas but thousands of civilians, women and children included.
The death toll already far surpassing that of the Srebrenica massacre.
The US position in this conflict however, is not that of condemning Israel but of complete political, media, financial and military support.
Among other military support, the US is actually providing bombs to Israel which they can use to bomb Gaza.
The US (aka the benevolent hegemon) is watching this massacre of civilians unfold, providing bombs and at the same time we have Admiral Kirby saying that the US is the top country providing aid to Palestinians.
Wow.
Wiz
It’s 1984 on steroids. Doublethink, Newspeak etc.
Regarding this I was going to say that the first 3 minutes alone are living proof that lack of brain damage and conscientious care for your health and a possible above average IQ are no insurance that you won’t become the most miserably appalling scumbag to ever walk the earth.
Then I realized the guy is simply a grifting confidence man because Israelis need no instructions whatsoever on how to kill without compassion. They wrote the book.
Zen Master Instructs Israelis How to Kill WITHOUT Compassionate.
https://youtu.be/DH0aU9TXD1I
F&L,
“Government media in the Gaza Strip…”
Which government’s media would that be? Would that also be the government that objects to quantifying the number of dead in Israel on October 7th; that rapes occurred there; that kidnapped foreign nationals including US citizens, and says none of that is true?
International aid agencies have found Palestinian numbers concerning deaths to be reliable and matching the numbers they tabulate themselves. Like Hamas or not, the international aid agencies and UN find their numbers to be credible. This is not the first conflict in Gaza in which Hamas has provided numbers. Israel seems to be the only country that has found issues with their numbers in the past.
Stefan,
Would these be the same international aid agencies which gave millions to Hamas without accounting for how it was spent, which also saw no construction of rockets or other “weapons of war”, which also saw no tunnel construction, weapons caches, or military training of the Hamas members who attacked Israel on October 7th, who have absolutely no idea where any of the kidnapping victims may be; or are theses different international aid agencies?
Who is making the “anti-Zionism = antisemitism” claim?
At least one professor of antisemitism:
https://www.alligator.org/article/2023/10/antisemitism-israel
This according to:
Norman JW Goda is the Director of the Bud Shorstein Center for Jewish Studies at UF [University of Florida] and the Norman and Irma Braman Professor of Holocaust Studies.
He is currently teaching a course on antisemitism.
Correcting a minor issue:
Goda is
“Professor of Holocaust Studies.
He is currently teaching a course on antisemitism.”
I tried to abbreviate that.
Perhaps too much.
But the important point remains:
The attempt by some to conflate anti-Zionism with antisemitism.
This, to me, amounts to weaponizing the Holocaust
to make Israel, and indeed Jews,
immune from any criticism, no matter how otherwise justified it may be.
Well said. On a purely personal level though I think you’re being too kind. They are committing outright mass murder and using their ownership and control of the media to play head games. I despise them.
Odd, because many of the leaders of organisations seeking to hold Israel accountable are Jewish themselves, as are many outspoken scholars and academics. Interesting, because we have had Palestinians murdered and shot in the US since October, yet their their lives dont even get a mention?
I will need to inform a long time friend of mine, a payos wearing Hasdic Jew, that is he now a self hating anti Semite according to the US government. Same with the Yemeni Jews I know, in the US and Israel, who object to Israeli government actions. All anti-Semites I guess.
Sadly, all ethnic groups these days are cursed with their dopey liberal factions.
The fools in Congress, the presidents, the prime ministers, the dictators, evangelical con men, etc are all leaders and bosses. And those are the worst people, as a rule. This ruling about antisemitism is one of their creations and it deserves scorn and ridicule, if not worse. All of those critters are on the take and we know from whom.
Why Psychopaths Rise to Power. (Brian Klaas).
https://youtu.be/PpyIZ4DGIK8
Stefan and Eric,
A very left leaning Jewish group makes a clear distinction between Judaism and Zionism. Here’s how they recount some early Zionists being antisemitic.
“Zionism, as a political ideology and as a movement, has always hierarchized Jews based on ethnicity and race, and has not equally benefited or been liberatory for all Jewish people in Israel. Zionism is and was an Ashkenazi-led movement that othered, marginalized and discriminated against Jews from across the Middle East and North Africa that it termed Mizrahim (the ‘Eastern Ones’).”
“In the early 1950s, starting two years after the Nakba, the Israeli government facilitated a mass immigration of Mizrahim. Unlike their Ashkenazi counterparts, the new Mizrahi immigrants were not permitted to settle in the central cities or live in housing they could eventually come to own. Instead, the Israeli police were deployed to compel Mizrahi immigrants to remain in the transient camps and later development towns in Israel’s periphery, as a means to expand the state territory and prevent Palestinian return. During the 1950s Mizrahi immigrants were also subject to medical experimentation facilitated or performed by the Israeli government, and several thousand babies and toddlers were forcibly taken from their parents by the Israeli government. These children, two thirds Yemeni and a third from Tunisian, Moroccan, Libyan, Iraqi and Balkan families, were taken by physicians and social workers and given up for adoption by Ashkenazi families.”
“From the first waves of immigration in the 1980s, Ethiopian Jews have experienced racism on the part of the government and the Israeli public, exclusion from the public sphere, discrimination in education and employment, and exposure to physical and verbal violence. They also remain unrecognized as Jews by the Israeli religious establishment and religious councils because of racial prejudice. Ethiopian mobilization for racial justice consolidated since 2015 has called for an end to institutional discrimination, police harassment, arrests without cause, false accusations and indictments about assaulting police officers, and the denial of due process, all of which have long been experienced by the Ethiopian community.”
https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/resource/zionism/
Racism in Israel has been a huge issue since 1948. When Yemeni Jews were taken to Israel the children were taught that their ways were backwards. Their food was backwards, clothing, the way they ate. They were “re-educated” to act European. There is even a term used by Yemeni Jews and other Jews of colour. “Ashkinormative”. Yemeni parents were told their children died at birth….only for the children to be given to European Israelis to raise. This happened across the board with Arab and African Jews. Despite this, Arab Jews form the bedrock of the extreme right in Israel.
Powerful interview. First half on Ukraine, concluding half on Gaza. He calls Gaza the worst humanitarian disaster since Pol Pot and Cambodia, and is explicit in calling out Netanyahu for exactly what he is. Regarding Ukraine he says he doesn’t know much about Zelensky & Zaluzhny but knows their government well for years and says they are criminals, pure and simple. no better than Albania.
Col Lawrence Wilkerson & Judge Napolitano.
https://www.youtube.com/live/nHViSu4LUiU
” Gaza the worst humanitarian disaster since Pol Pot and Cambodia” . . .
Really? Worse than the Interahamwe Holocaust of the Tutsis?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interahamwe
Something about Israel, Palestine, etc. really does inspire some to flights of hyperbole.
Yes, as long as a million savages are not hacked to death with machetes it’s entirely ok to murder tens of thousands in a few weeks as you’ve already made 1.8 million leave , destroyed their hospitals, schools, universities, churches and mosques, and set the table settings for epidemics on the way to killing all of them if they don’t throw themselves into the path of machine-gun and tank fire while stampeding over minefields and being strafed and bombed from US made aircraft. I didn’t think of that.
When the US command surveyed Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg and Berlin postwar, you realize what the first thing was that they said before submitting their reports?
“Thankfully, no machetes.”
That’s what Marie Antoinette said to King Louis at the guillotine too – “At least we’re not being hacked to death by savages, right?”
And the great King replied: “Yeah, I know, freakin’ amateurs, n’est pas mon Cherie?”
Netanyahu to the 52 thousandth corpse in the rubble: “You got it good from advanced bombing technology, bro. I hope you realized we spared not a farthing of the American tax-payer’s money, we even used AI to locate your extended family and obliterate the entire neighborhood they lived in.”
I sorta agree with TTG that “This is a bonehead move”, but not so much for the House GOP as for the Israel Lobby.
For the GOP, it’s a free shot at the Democrats: no matter how they vote (or not), their stand can and will be used against them in Primaries and/or General elections. More importantly, the Democratic Party will get less money from people whose #1 issue is Israel – despite the fact [that polls show] that most Jewish Americans still consistently support Democrats over Republicans because most are *not* single-issue voters.
But for people who support Israel, this is another step toward losing yet another Tribal War. Israel may well “win” the current battle by killing everybody associated with Hamas, but in the process, they are clearly losing international support. This current “legislation” by the House GOP might seem like a[nother] victory, but it will alienate way more people than it will attract. The assertion that “anti-Zionism is antisemitism” is just plain false; but worse, the assertion itself will exacerbate both anti-Zionism and antisemitism by antagonizing people who disagree with Israeli policies and actions without blaming “The Jews” for everything.
Elkern,
When did Israel ever have real international support; Or the Palestinians, for that matter?
Fred,
Israel has rock solid material support from the US. That’s all they need. What others think of them doesn’t matter unless it affects that US support. The Palestinians are like the Kurds, nobody cares.
Fred,
What do you call it where you are — Dreamland, Disney world, a 19th century Chinese opium den or do you just mainline fentanyl with the crack hos on the San Francisco bowery while Gavin Newsome waits in line?
How about the French who gave them their nuclear reactor technology in the late 50s and early sixties before we volunteered to take it off their hands and far up the a** along with Vietnam?
Ever hear of the British Empire, the Balfour declaration? They are also gluttons for being reamed if their unbroken ongoing love affair (Suez crisis, Fred?) after having 6 of their officers hung by Zionist terrorists is any indication.
F&L,
The imperial remnant is still playing the great game decades after the imperial collapse. They even want their colonies here back, too. You and TTG both left out about 190 countries, some being more important than others.
In Kyiv the chief rabbi just lit the Hanukkah menorah. Peacefully! No riots, no beating up of Jews, no anti-Jewish graffiti, no need for the Ukrainian parliament to pass a law banning antisemitism.
https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1733638829574140181
So much for Putin’s false claims of Ukrainian Nazis.
Hat tip to Tom Theiner
No DEI students and Ivy League faculty or Palestinian-Ukrainians around to call for cease-fires?
Fred – No Dagestanis to riot at Russian airports either.
Leith,
My information is that in Hell, on the exact same day, Hitler, Himmler, Heydrich and the Devil all got together and lit a menorah too. I just can’t find the link at the moment, but will get back to you when I also locate the links to the stories which explain how Nazis are hardly entirely stupid and are more than capable of doing something as obvious as lighting a menorah during a war in which their opposition propaganda calls them evil Nazis. You may know of the historical episode during WW2 in which, to deceive and influence world opinion, the third Reich Nazis organized a tour of a prettified concentration camp in order to prove that the Jews, socialists, fags and other minorities were in reality relocated to rehabilitation camps and not extermination factories and slave labor camps.
You might want to consider the possibility that the ceremony in Kiev that you cite was actually inspired by the ongoing mass murder in Gaza perpetrated by Israelis who happen to be jews. That’s something a Nazi might very much enjoy out of pure sadism and the feeling of being finally exonerated – “look Ma, those gas chamber and Babi Yar victims of ours turned out to be genocidal maniacs, how cool is that!”
F&L,
The ceremony in Kyiv was inspired by the 45,000 or so practicing Jews in Ukraine including Zelenskiy.
45,000 ‘practising’ perhaps. 110,000 plus altogether in Kyiv, more than in all of Russia if the 2021 census can be believed. Most Russian Jews emigrated to Israel, the US, and even chose to live in Germany rather than stay in Russia. Why is that I wonder?
And Ukraine also has major Jewish communities in Dnipro, Kharkiv, Odesa etc.
Late Comment: This is an image that has been haunting me for the last few nights!!!
Israel carries out mass arrests: Human rights groups call for investigation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXfn-BCTBNc&t=5s
To get so many men to comply in such an orderly fashion?
Must have outright killed X-amount of others?
This much be labor intensive?
Yes, Al Capone made a similar observation long ago about how it’s easier to get things done with a gun and a kind word than with a kind word alone.
I’m willing to bet that those prisoners won’t live long and that already as we speak quite a few are wondering if it wouldn’t have been wiser to have been blown to bits along with 8 to 10 thousand children or however many tens of thousands are dead and unreported because the reporters have been shot or blown up and the staff who do the counting were murdered too, which as I understand it is a known fact.