How safe are the COVID vaccines?

Yes to Vaccine or no to vaccine?

Comment: My wife and I have had both Moderna shots. We had the second one two weeks ago. We have been more or less continuously sick since the first one. I am almost 81 and she is 78. Like good sojurs we dutifully went to a little pharmacy and were inoculated.

Fever, muscle ache, joint ache, kidney ache, these have been our lot. It is still pretty bad. Our niece who is 31 and a robustly healthy woman has experienced the same things plus headaches.

IMO the question is open on the actual effects of these vaccines.

I see that Biden says he will not order our armed forces to be inoculated. Good idea, Joe! Good idea! pl

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63 Responses to How safe are the COVID vaccines?

  1. Peter+VE says:

    I had the single J&J one on April 9. I’ve been in a mental fog ever since. {Please withhold any remarks about some of my comments here previous to the jab…;-) }. My wife has not had the same reaction to the J&J shot.

  2. srw says:

    First Moderna shot I received didn’t affect me or my wife at all. Second did, and we were both down for a day. Next day no problem for either of us. My opinion is that any ill effects after the second shot tells you your immune system is working as it should.

    • Tom Hickey says:



      I’ll be 82 in June. I had been supplementing with D3, C, and zinc for a long time.

      • srw says:

        Same here. I listened to Fauci who said he takes a D and C every day to help his immune system. If it was good enough for Fauci, it was good enough for my wife and myself. We take a D and C every other day and have had no problem with the Covid shots.

        • Pat Lang says:


          I have taken D3 and Zinc for a year and still had a bad time with Moderna.

        • Pundita says:

          From Medical News Today,
          “Study confirms high doses of vitamin D have no effect on COVID-19
          Researchers have wondered whether vitamin D may help people avoid SARS-CoV-2 infections and mitigate the effects of COVID-19.
          A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trial seeks to test vitamin D’s usefulness in combatting the disease.
          The study finds high doses of vitamin D have no effect on key COVID-19 outcomes in particularly ill hospitalized patients.
          Further research is needed to investigate whether a deficiency of vitamin D is associated with more severe cases of COVID-19.”
          Much more in the article. There is no research I’m aware of that suggests a connection between Vit D deficiency and the covid vaccines.

  3. Deap says:

    DH continues to have all-over joint pain too, since his two-part Pfizer series. We are of similar ages which makes it a tough call – coincidence with aging or vaccination causation? He also had the two-part new shingles vaccine around the same time.

    I have chosen to not get either inoculation at this time, but have an increasing profile of co-morbidities that officially encourages me to do so. I hate to think resuming “travel” will require me to get one, or the other. Which side effect risks do I think is worth this arbitrary travel requirement.
    Back in the 1980’s there was a similar threat to stop travel if one did not have a negative HIV test, including a “passport” verification. Nothing ultimately came of this, but again this was a global threat.

    Because I was in health care for 42 years, I have seen drastic changes and almost “fads” in various health care recommendations that put a lot of medical advice in the category of junk science; not evidence based medicine.

    Each diagnostic “fad” was associated with increased drug company sales or medical procedure reimbursement. Which may explain the high reluctance of health care workers to get “the jab”. Which also must be kept in balance with genuine medical breakthroughs that should not be discounted – but it is not all a march of science forward. Hard for a layperson to sort this out.

    Thank you for sharing your updates. You are not alone in this. I wish you well and hopefully as we move into spring and summer, there will we a rebirth in our health and spirts too.

  4. aka says:

    my wife had AstraZeneca (oxford) some months back and she was very sick for 3 days (terrible headaches, tiredness, pain in the arm, chills, etc). A lot of others had the same reaction. Few had a much milder reaction.
    But later testing showed that people who had a bad reaction developed the necessary antibodies quickly while the ones who had milder symptoms took more time to develop the antibodies.

    Wife had the second dose recently and had a much more milder reaction.

  5. Herbert Ely says:

    I’ve heard only a few reports of reactions to Moderna vaccines and these listed only a day.

    In Virginia, prison inmates can refuse covid vaccinations. Last week I was talking to a Chaplain at a prison I used to visit. 30% of the inmates have declined vaccinations along with 405 of the staff. This means that the chaplain and volunteers have not had face to face contact with inmates (the state calls them offenders) for over a year. Volunteers do have access to JPay, a messaging system which delivers emails to a computer kiosk located in each pod of 32 cells.

    The state has offered incentives to the inmates but, apparently, cannot require vaccination as long as the vaccines are only under temporary authorization.

    Chaplains are not considered essential workers and must minister through video and email links.

    I hope this changes soon.

  6. Deap says:

    Two odd things are out of synch with the official government pronouncement – everyone should get vaccinated, doesn’t matter which kind, just get vaccinated.

    1. Nancy Pelosi’s recent statement – there will never be a national vaccine requirement
    2. The US military will not order the armed forces to all be vaccinated

    What do they know, that we do not? Now that a year of data is accumulating, what new facts will emerge from what we were told, as well as the actual facts about “covid” in toto.

    Will Democrats start calling this Trump’s vaccine again, instead of lately claiming this is Biden’s vaccine?

    Did Fauci really get vaccinated, since he pointed to the exact opposite arm when he stated there was only a little injection site soreness, and not the arm he showed in a prior photo allegedly getting “the jab”.

    PS: I do know this is not a true “vaccine” – but use the term in common usage.

  7. walrus says:

    We had the first shots of the Astrazeneca vaccines two weeks ago. Both of us had mild headache/ cold symptoms for two days. Second doses in early July (12 weeks) according to the protocol. Flu shots this week.

    Vaccine is now available fr free nationwide on a walk in basis for anyone over 50.

  8. jld says:

    Some report from an admittedly weird guy, though a sharp bio-chemistry nerd, you need to sort out the infos for yourself (according to your own advice 😉 )

    • BillWade says:

      From reading your link, it appears that vitamin D levels may be a key factor. I’m wondering if any of you folks that did get ill from the vaccine had been taking vit D supplements?

      About 6 weeks ago I went to a restaurant where I know the owner. He came over to chat with me and it quickly became obvious to me he was quite ill, coughing/sneezing while holding his infant child who also looked under the weather. Being a polite sort, I just wished him away and he did finally leave me. A week later we learned he and another employee at this restaurant tested positive for covid. I never felt ill myself after that encounter. I do take 10,000 IUs of vitamin D daily and also get a bit of Florida sun as I swim an hour a day.
      I have not taken the vaccine but my wife has. After her first shot she had a red area about the size of a half dollar around the injection site and no other ill effects. After her second shot she was fine for a few days but then started to get tired around 5Pm and would sometimes nap. She’s been that way for a few weeks now. She’s in good shape, walks 4-5 miles daily in the morning sun.

  9. Matt Shirilla says:

    I had the first Pfizer jab the other day and I felt a little tired that evening. I’m 51 and in good shape. Wife (51) and daughter had the Pfizer too, no side effects. Was going to totally avoid it as I had covid last year, but I wanted to avoid potential administrative hassles that can come up for travel, work etc.

  10. Leith says:

    SWMBO and I both had the Pfizer shots. No reactions, no aftereffects, no problems. We are both 78.

  11. phugh says:

    That’s an interesting read. What he is saying is: the mRNA vaccine make your cells produce the spike protein in large quantities, which causes your immune system to react, which uses up your supply of leukocytes, which leave you immune compromised for a few days, which allows you to get COVID from just about anywhere. The author suggests mass vaccination sites.
    Could be.
    I was thinking that some of the people that were getting COVID after vaccination didn’t have functioning immune systems, which means the vaccine had nothing to work with. This makes more sense. He guesses that the newest wave in India does follow the vaccination wave.

  12. Kenneth Alonso, MD says:

    The hazards of vaccination are two-fold:
    1.All previous attempts at coronavirus vaccines, including SARS, failed. The civets and ferrets (respiratory nucosa most like humans) developed antibodies. When later exposed to wild type virus, a very high percentage became very ill. A significant number died. This happened also with attempts to make a vaccine against respiratory syncytial virus. No animal testing. Given to babies. Same results.
    2. The Spike protein alone causes extensive vascular damage.
    Pfizer, Modena, Astra-Zeneca essentially inject the spike protein.
    The UK NHS Scientific Consulting Group is publishing its modeling of what to expect next in vaccinated groups.

  13. Fred says:

    I’ve decided to hold off a while, especially as I was sick as a dog for more than a week a year ago but repeated testing assures me it wasn’t Covid. On a related note, Governor DeSantis ends Florida’s state of emergency:

    If you are concerned about that just think of what this guy would have done if the election had turned out differently:

  14. akaPatience says:

    I was REALLY sick after the first shot and initially thought it was a migraine but then felt like I had the flu for nearly a week thereafter. As a precaution I stayed in bed 2 days after the second shot to prevent the same experience. It definitely helped but I nevertheless experienced a lingering malaise such as joint pain, fatigue, and slight nausea for a few weeks after that second Pfizer shot on March 23, a longer duration than most people experienced side effects. But I think I’m finally over it now (fingers crossed). My husband is a few years older than I am and didn’t suffer at all.

    I’ve taken vitamins C and D daily for ages, and also take zinc several times a week. Even though they didn’t prevent my side effects, all of the supplements I take (don’t ask – so many, including the lesser-known pycnogenol for tinnitus, and ashwaganda for thyroid, just to give you an idea) give me pep that I otherwise wouldn’t feel. Colonel, maybe you and your wife would benefit from some supplementation. Of course consult your doctors. My primary care physician raises his eyebrows about my intake but concedes I’m very healthy and look 15 or more years younger than my age.

    I hope it wasn’t a mistake to get the vaccine. I worry about possible long-term effects. If I were of child-bearing age I don’t think I’d take the chance…

    • Deap says:

      On the other hand, there is not a single supplement that I ever took that did not end up causing unpleasant side effects. Some with Dr’s official recommendations, other touted in lay literature or even FDA guidance. The human body is so complex. Yet we take still sledge hammers to it, from time to time, hoping to bend it to our will.

  15. FeinGul says:

    The actual armed forces are aware at some level below General and SGMA that their Oath is abrogated by counter party treachery….But inertia is a powerful thing…

    By all means KEEP FUCKING WITH US…
    Just bored really, this part is nauseating and this nihilist business can go both ways…
    the wonderful thing about learning applied nihilism from the best [Iraqis] is nihilism can go in every direction at once.

    Yeah, said no to the jab already.

    So I guess we all have some aches and pains.

  16. English Outsider says:

    If I’m getting the dates accurate it must be nearly two weeks now since the second shot, Colonel. The effects aren’t supposed to last longer than that so I do hope it clears up soon.

    Ny wife felt pretty rough after the AZ. I was drained of energy for a day or two after the Pfizer but my daughter, vaccinated out of turn because medical, felt ill for a few days after the Pfizer. Asking around I’ve heard of none worse than that but I know of none who’ve had the Moderna. Might I offer you and your wife a quick recovery?

    I’m still reading the book. So vivid I feel I’ve been there and done that too. Spinning it out. It should be many times as long!

  17. Steve says:

    Hang in there. I received the Moderna (69). So did my wife(71). No long term side affects.
    Very few reinfections after shots.
    I got the polio shots. No trial groups before. Saved thousands.

    • Bill H. says:

      My mother got the polio shots. Was in a body cast for a year and had recurring mobility problems the rest of her life. I’m glad it worked out better for you, but an awful lot of people had reactions very similar to my mother’s.

      • Steve says:

        She probably got the first shot in the early 50’s.
        Many problems with that one.
        Salk/Sabin vaccine very safe.
        Very few problems with that one.
        The polio fears were greater than the “red scare ”
        All school age children that I know got one.
        Lines winding through hallways.

  18. TV says:

    It’s a crap shoot.
    I’m 77, had 2 Moderna shots. 1st, no side effect; 2nd, slight fever for about 2 hours.
    My wife , 79, same 2 shots. Difference is that she takes really potent meds and she got tired for about a day after the 2nd shot.
    Brother-in-law, same age as me, actually GOT Covid, went home , took Tylenol, got better.
    My sister who lives with him did not get it.
    2 people I know, both low 80’s, got Covid, self-quarantined at home, got better.
    Like I said, a crap shoot.

  19. Ed Lindgren says:

    Both my wife and I tested positive for COVID19 in late November after suffering about a week with mild flu-like symptoms. We are both in our late 60s. I am in generally good health, but my better half suffers from a depressed immune system due to chronic illness.

    We have no intention of taking the vaccine. None of them have been fully tested and none of them are approved by the FDA. In addition, both the CDC and WHO state that known cases of COVID reinfection subsequent to an initial infection are rare or very rare.

    The long (9 pages) and dull Feb 25, 2021 letter from the FDA to Pfizer Inc granting Pfizer an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) ends with the following:

    “This product has not been approved or licensed by FDA, but has been authorized for emergency use by FDA, under an EUA to prevent [COVID19] for use in individuals 16 years of age and older……”

    In addition, 21 U.S. Code § 360bbb–3 – Authorization for medical products for use in emergencies states in part that all those who receive a medical product or device that has not been approved by the FDA will be informed:

    1) that the Secretary has authorized the emergency use of the product;

    2) of the significant known and potential benefits and risks of such use, and of the extent to which such benefits and risks are unknown; and

    3) of the option to accept or refuse administration of the product, of the consequences, if any, of refusing administration of the product, and of the alternatives to the product that are available and of their benefits and risks.

    How many commenting here were informed at the time of their vaccination that the vaccine was being administered under a FDA waiver for emergency use, and that the product had not been approved or licensed by the FDA?

    Sometimes the very negative side-effects of a drug are not discovered until the damage is done…..check out thalidomide:

    • Fourth and Long says:

      They warned me thirty seconds or so before getting the first shot. After waiting standing in line for over an hour in cool, brisk early spring in NYC. “This has not been approved by FDA, you understand ?” Waited for affirmation and to see if it registered. Second shot – no mention of anything AFAICR.

  20. The Twisted Genius says:

    SWMBO had her second shot of Pfizer on Saturday. She got an immediate headache and aches on the left (shot) side of her upper body. She then spent 24 hours feeling generally beat up. She’s much better now, but definitely has swollen lymph nodes. I and my two sons had a day of feeling beat up and some early chills. No one I know have had any reaction much worse than that, but everyone had some kind of reaction.

    As Steve mentioned, there was also great initial resistance to the polio vaccine. Eisenhower’s HEW Secretary kept government involvement in pushing and distributing the vaccine calling it socialism.

  21. A Pols says:

    I am 74 and had the Moderna jab, first one in March, second one April 3rd. I had no reaction to the first one and felt a little “off” the second day after the 2nd jab. Other than that nothing to report. An employee who is 78 reported no ill effects whatever. Other employees and associates 10 in number ranging from their 30s to 60 all had the jab, some J&J with minor effects except for one guy who felt poorly for 3 or 4 days. He’s 43 and I’ve known him for 14 years; he’s always on the critical list with any cold he gets. I’ve spoken with numerous clients about their experiences and none have complained of anything worse than the the 43 year old guy. My statistical sample is fairly small and I’m not trying to make a case one way or another, simply reporting what I’ve experienced and heard. On the other hand I have had severe degenerative arthritis in both hands for several years. They hurt all the time, so how would I know?

  22. Deap says:

    Time for a laugh? Babylon Bee lists 10 ways to still feel morally superior not wearing a mask. Laughter is good medicine.

    • Pundita says:

      Here is the article about a variety of ailments masquerading as dehydration, which I mentioned in my earlier reply to you. From the article:
      “A study of 2,000 people examined their daily hydration habits and finds many suffer through common ailments like headaches and fatigue that could be remedied by drinking more water. Nearly two in three (63%) admitted they’re likely to reach for a pain reliever when discomforts arise. The average person suffers two headaches, three muscle cramps, and two dizzy spells over a week’s time – all of which are symptoms of chronic dehydration.”

  23. Pundita says:


    • Deap says:

      Context about checking kidneys?

      Vaccine impacts or vulnerability to either vaccine or “covid”? Chronic kidney disease is the leading co-morbidity complication for “covid”.

  24. Peter Williams says:

    I haven’t had a Covid vaccine and have no intention to have one in the immediate future. A friend has been advised not to have one by her cardiologist due to her pacemaker and various drugs.

    My eldest daughter has had a mild case of Covid 19, loss of smell and taste and a mild fever for two weeks. Tests revealed the antibodies. As a nursing student in Russia, she must have antibodies or vaccination. Initially she had antibodies, but they disappeared in a few months. She was told to be vaccinated or leave her course.

    She had the first injection of Sputnik V with no problems apart from a minor temperature. The second injection gave her high blood pressure and a high pulse rate. Problem is, that this happens without injections. Did the vaccination cause this? Given her previous medical history, I don’t believe so.

    Can vaccinations cause pre-existing problems to surface, quite possibly. Me, I’m not quite a hermit, but pretty close. I’ll wait a while before I take any of these vaccines. I remember Thalidomide, so I’ll wait a while.

  25. I find the whole thing mind-boggling. Official Cdn stats as of 23 Apr 2021:
    23,769 died
    87.3% of the dead are over 70
    95.6% over 60
    (And that’s assuming that these are 100% reliable causes of death)
    Remind me again why we’ve shut everything down and insisted that everybody have these injections of something-or-other?
    PS I am 73 and am holding off on getting the shot. But I know that I will have to eventually if I want to do anything.

    • semiconscious says:

      thank you…

      this’s exactly why the msm consistently refuse to provide any perspective in their covid overage. it’s because once you do, as you so easily demonstrate, the entire ‘nightmare’ narrative simply evaporates…

      on topic: my wife & i, early seventies, continue to hold off…

    • Tom67 says:

      You are just as level headed as about Russia. Speaking of Russia I am thinking of going there for a year. I live in Germany and speak Russian. My wife does as well and here in Germany they are gearing up to force everybody including kids to get vaccinated. In Russia no such thing. If I lived in Canada I would try to move to Texas or Florida. Truly places of sanity and freedom.

      • Tess says:

        But, one commenter is sayuing above that his daughter, studying nursing in Russia, was put to elect between either vaccinate or leaving the nursing school…which equates mandatory to me.
        Wondering whether the info is accurate, as i heard from Putin´s mouth that “vaccines will not be mandatory in Russia”.

        Although the Russian vaccine is far from being like the mRNA products, more a classical vaccine, fro that travel, I did not need such ammount of saddle bags.

        I was also considering moving myself to Russia, eventhough I prefer a warmer weather, but I will not be starting such enterprise, especially related to language, to find the same assault on my sovereignty and basic rights as I am finding here.

        People I meet are considering moving to the country side and constitute autonomous communities…may be the last resort before the circle closes…

      • Tess says:


        If finally you move to Russia, would you mind, if Colonel Lang has no inconvenience, of course, to keep us updated on how things are going for you there?

        I will be most interested….

    • Tess says:

      Hold on, Mr. Armstrong, it is important known people keeps in the side of sanity.

  26. Teddy says:

    For a variety of reasons, I will not get the Covid jab.

    For years I’ve been taking supplements to help boost my immune system. It works quite well for me. The last time that I was sick was 10 years ago which just happens to be the last time I got the Flu jab.

    My profession requires me to interact with customers on a daily basis. During the lockdowns we we’re considered “essential trades” here in the tri-state area. During the winter we also do snow removal. We do get quite a bit of snow off of Lake Michigan.

    The bottom line is for well over a year I’ve been in daily contact with all kinds of people, some healthy, some probably sick, in all types of weather conditions, settings, etc.,. Never got sick with anything.

    I never got covid. Nobody in my extended family got covid. None of my friends got covid. On the other hand, I do know a lot of family members & friends that did get the covid jab & have had various kinds side effects.

  27. wtofd says:

    Our nurse recommended 1600 mg of ibuprofen a day spread over 4 doses. I was sick after the second Moderna shot. Once I took the ibuprofen I was fine within an hour.

    • Pat Lang says:


      Not me. i have become an ibuprofin junky from such advice

      • Tom67 says:

        Sir, whatever else. Three years ago I told my late father about your website. He was 89 when he died 6 weeks ago but was very sharp to the end. He was German and a professor of Mathematics. He loved your website and we talked about it whenever we talked on the phone which was sometimes several times a week. I want to thank you and your collaborators very much for that and all the work you put in.

    • Tess says:

      Within an hour…but you will need another shot in eight hours…

      Whay you are probably suffering is a general inflamatory process due the mRNA vaccines which is hijacking your immune system.

      Your body, whose perfection obey to the usual golden proportion ( if it not were for the polutants, physycial and mental, of the modern world..) of the Fibonacci frequence, fights that crap as if there was no tomorrow…and really there is no one…

  28. Tess says:

    I feel really désolée, despaired and much pitied that this committee has mostly sucumbed to fear, presure and propaganda and have innoculated themselves with these evil products.

    Of course, I understand that for the decade or so most of you have of life yet, you are trying to keep safe from Covid-19 infection, but if this is the case, you are acting here in an irrational way, as there is such ammount of information in the net who counters the governments propaganda and presure, so as to know that these products will not save you from getting Covid-19 infection, indeed may even happen to make you more vulnerable when next fall you enter in contact with the wild virus, unless it dissapears as it happened to the classic flu.

    I have a hard time trying to understand why such intelligent and cultivated community could have sucumbed to this, offering this way support for the coming totalitarian order impossed by the private central banks.

    May be it is that you knew better and did it so as to be able to continue in the loop of the decaying financial capitalism to see if you can keep your way of life, your privileges for the next decade or so, but sorry to say, it will not wash, when the dictatorship close its grip, and at this pace will do it very fast, you will be suffering it too.

    In such individualist society as the US is, as that it should not surprise me, but then I see you always commenting about this or that, thought you cared more about what this all means…

    Test what you are contributing to unleash…

  29. Tess says:

    To bost your immune system, to the commented combo of Zinc, Vit C and D ( not forgetting activate it through exposing yourself to natural sunlight at least fro half an hou a day ) you should add Melatonin.

    Not only 1-2 mg Melatonin taken half an hour before going to sleep will provide a more repairing sleep which also improves your immune system, but Melatonin itself intevenes in actively in the defensive system.

  30. Serge says:

    I am holding out from getting vaccinated for as long as I can. The entire concept behind the Moderna and Pfizer MRNA vaccines disturbs me, maybe I took too much biochemistry in college. I would take the J&J or even AZN, but I don’t they are effective enough to be worth the risk at my age.

  31. J says:


    I hope you and your SWMBO get to feeling better as quickly as possible.

  32. A.I.S. says:

    With 37 I am a pretty young grasshopper.

    I would prefer (shock) the Russian vaccine because I know how a vector vaccine works. I did study Biophysics after all.

    The Russian side has also vaccinated its vaccine development team (tradition in Russia since Catherine the Great), and also says less things which I know to be untrue (like the mRNA-vaccine talking point that insertion into the genome is impossible. It is not, even in an otherwise healthy cell. Retrotransposons are a thing, as is Telomerase. The actual argument is that insertion into the host genome is a neccessary part for a vector based viral vaccine, and btw. also for a smallpox shot, while it would be accidental and thus less likely in an mRNA vaccine.) given my university studies.

  33. KMD says:

    Summery of the findings from a group of researchers and doctors.

    They don’t think the vaccines work as advertised and have serious safety issues.

    Is this truly a pandemic? Remember the Diamond Princess?
    Could not escape exposure for weeks yet only 14 out of 3,711 on board died. All over 70 years of age. 80% never presented symptoms at all.

  34. KMD says:

    Forgot to include this with my previous comment.

    I’m not one of those conspiracy theorists, just a coincidence one.

  35. Sam says:

    This is a fascinating article examining the origin of the virus. Could it be a NIH funded virus developed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology? How come Fauci and Daszak have not been called by a congressional commission to testify on the specifics of the NIH grant that funded the gain-of-function research on coronavirus at the Wuhan Institute? IMO, this is example of another failure by the Trump administration to not aggressively investigate the origins?

  36. J says:

    DoD resumed the J&J jab as of Wednesday April 28th.

  37. J says:

    Worse Than the Disease?
    Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19

    Stephanie SeneffComputer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory, MIT, Cambridge MA, 02139, USA

    Dr. NighNaturopathic Oncology, Immersion
    Health, Portland, OR 97214, USA

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