The Five Eyes do not believe the CCP/WHO

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"A research dossier compiled by the so-called "Five Eyes" intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world

The 15-page document from the intelligence agencies of the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia and New Zealand, was obtained by Australia's Saturday Telegraph newspaper and states that China's secrecy amounted to an “assault on international transparency."

TIMELINE OF CHINA'S POSSIBLE CORONAVIRUS COVER-UP

The dossier touches on themes that have been discussed in media reports about the outbreak of the virus, including an initial denial by China that the virus could be transmitted between humans, the silencing or "disappearing" of doctors who tried to speak up, the destruction of evidence in laboratories and refusal to provide live samples to international scientists working on a vaccine.

Specifically, the file notes that China began censoring news of the virus on search engines and social media beginning Dec. 31, deleting terms including “SARS variation," “Wuhan Seafood market” and “Wuhan Unknown Pneumonia.”

Three days later, on Jan. 3, China’s National Health Commission ordered virus samples to be either moved to designated testing facilities or destroyed, while simultaneously issuing a "no-publication order" related to the disease."  Foxnews et al

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Just so we understand what the Five Eyes is …  These agencies operate as though the Anglo World really is what Churchill called the "English Speaking Peoples."  The extent to which their governments can actually impede that cooperation is IMO a debatable matter.

Much good has come of the alliance and also much evil.  The Brennan/Clapper scumbags made effective use of this alliance.  pl

https://www.foxnews.com/world/new-dossier-condemns-china-for-destroying-evidence-of-covid-19-outbreak

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/coronavirus/bombshell-dossier-lays-out-case-against-chinese-bat-virus-program/news-story/55add857058731c9c71c0e96ad17da60

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

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43 Responses to The Five Eyes do not believe the CCP/WHO

  1. Avatar JJackson says:

    Coming to a theater near you the latest blockbuster from the directors who bought you no lesser hits than
    ‘Saddam’s WMDs’ with camera work by the Nobel nominated ‘White Helmets’, ‘Iranian Nukes’, ‘Assad the Sarin Monster’ and the ever popular ‘Russiagate’ franchise.

  2. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    Seems someone just threw a very deliberate hand grenade into US/China relations over the ‘rona. The virus may have made it into the wild by accident, but this report sure as hell didn’t. This intelligence leak is as subtle as a brick, perhaps by design? And just in case the intent was not blindingly obvious, right in the second paragraph we have the explainer:

    “The 15-page research document, obtained by The Saturday Telegraph, lays the foundation for the case of negligence being mounted against China.”

    Further down the article rather speculatively describes the report as “The Western governments’ research paper”. The clear intent being to present (gin up?) a united anglophone front.
    Colonel, there appears to be no link to the report as yet, so I have a question: Do FVEY reports have a central point of issuance & ‘brand’, or can any one of the constituent agencies issue a FVEY report, is Five Eyes just cover for it popping up in Australia? Basically who might have produced this thing and can we say anything about who must have authorized its leakage? OK a few questions.

  3. Avatar Rick Merlotti says:

    I do not believe the five eyes. Gotta agree with mr Jackson above.

  4. Avatar Fred says:

    It didn’t take long for the one man virology shop in Surrey to appear with his expertise, kind of like the Middle East expert who single handedly runs the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights and periodically enlightens all the world with his words of wisdom and need for global intervention. I wonder what he’s up to these days, it seems kind of quite out that a way.

  5. Avatar Godfree Roberts says:

    Funny that the Five Eyes did not mention the fact that Francis Collins, director of the US National Institutes of Health, said the virus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak.
    Collin, is noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project. He is an elected member of the National Academy of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in November 2007, and received the National Medal of Science in 2009.
    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3081959/coronavirus-outbreak-france-did-not-come-directly-china-gene
    CNN host Chris Cuomo also said he believes there will be revelations showing the novel coronavirus was spreading in the United States as early as October. “The kids now anecdotally, Cristina believes, that at least two of them have had it in the last few months. Why? We don’t know, but atypically long-duration sinus, fever, lethargy. I think we’re going to learn that coronavirus has been in this country since, like, October, that there have been cases,” Cuomo said. “And as you guys both know, and I hear all the time from all over the country, how many people do you hear saying, ‘I think I had it, I had this and this, I lost my sense of smell and this and that, but I never got tested’? Those cases are, like, abounding all over the country,” he added. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/chris-cuomo-predicts-evidence-will-show-coronavirus-was-spreading-in-us-since-october.

  6. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    I don’t believe the Five Eyes, The Who, the CDC, or any other government or trans-government organization. I believe China the least. If the Five Eyes are fabricating, again, at least they are finally focusing negative attention on the right target.
    Why anyone defends China escapes me entirely. I have no idea if JJackson is right or wrong and don’t care. China is not a friend of the English speaking nations and has done tremendous damage to the US both directly and through its greedy English speaking proxies in government and bidness (Biden, Romney to randomly name but two of the legion).

  7. Avatar Seanmcbride says:

    It’s possible that the intel community got Iraq and Russiagate wrong, but is getting the coronavirus right.
    From the start, I strongly disbelieved the official takes on Iraq and Russiagate, but did believe that the coronavirus probably leaked from the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
    Why? Common sense and gut instincts, combined with a scan of all the publicly available information.

  8. Avatar blue peacock says:

    Barbara Ann
    You ask good questions. I’m curious why this story, and why now? Will the west take real action – covert and/or financial?
    As I have stated before I think there’s a great opportunity to stress the CCP financially. In particular their highly over-extended and over-levered banking system. Couple that with an industrial decoupling of the supply chains and it could have an effect.

  9. Avatar TonyL says:

    “A research dossier compiled by the so-called “Five Eyes” intelligence alliance states that China intentionally hid or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak, leading to the loss of tens of thousands of lives around the world”
    It does bring back the memory of Office of Special Plan (OSP) by Douglas Feith before the Iraq war. That effort to demonize Iraq matches the current frenzy in assigning blame to someone else other than Trump’s Administration incomppetence. I believe this Five Eyes leak is part of that effort.

  10. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    I wonder if this is the same report that zerohedge discussed under the title “US Government Report Concludes Wuhan Lab ‘Most Likely Source’ Of COVID-19 Outbreak”
    That report somehow found itself in the hands of the Washington Times. This report found itself in the hands of the Daily Telegraph.
    Hmmm, someone is leaking like a sieve.
    Zerohedge did let slip that the report it was referring to was compiled entirely from “open sources”. Which does not inspire confidence.
    I dunno. Would be nice to be able to read the report, rather than through Chinese Whispers.
    The Wuhan Lab should be the source of very considerable scrutiny, for the most obvious of reasons.
    But the Five Eyes must have considerable intelligence sources within the Chinese government, and if the Lab really were responsible then there would have been consternation within the CCP so profound that intel sources would have noticed.
    If the intel in this report comes from sources recruited from inside the CCP then that’s one thing. But if the “intel” is simply compiled by Mr Google then this report is likely to be worthless.

  11. Avatar Horatio says:

    Chinese response to exceptional cretins. The whole world isn’t fooled anymore by gaggle of incompetents. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5BZ09iNdvo&feature=youtu.be&t=6

  12. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    Just out of curiosity, but how common is it for a research document to be written as the joint product of the “Five-Eyes”?
    I had always assumed that they shared intel between each other more-or-less-openly, but any reports would be the individual responsibility of each member reporting to their respective governments.
    As in: while they have all shared from the same pool, it would be the US IC that writes the report that lands on Trump’s desk, the Aussie IC that writes the report that Sco-Mo reads, etc.
    A one-size-fits-all document seems… unlikely to me.
    Or do I have this completely wrong?

  13. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Yeah, Right
    I think you are right that it would be an unusual thing.

  14. Avatar J says:

    The British Government’s NHS is trial running a new contact tracing app on the Isle of Wight this week. The Isle of Wight has been chosen because of its isolation and easy control-ability due to its location. The app developed by the NHS’s digital arm NHSX will be using bluetooth tech to id who a person has come in contact with (they ‘claim’ they won’t track where people are or have been, yeah right). Phones will record who they’ve come within 6 feet of for at least 15 minutes. If the user develops symptoms, they can inform the NHS, triggering an alert to be sent to other users whom they’ve come in contact with.
    They claim that the app will be completly confidential and the info collected will not id the individual (yeah right).

  15. JJackson,
    I asked for a defense from you that the virus came from natural source.
    You responded
    “Harlan
    As you seem genuinely interested in learning ”
    You gave the game away. Also your comment above indicates you are ideologically binded to a predetermined outcome.
    I’m not saying your assessment is wrong or right. What I am saying is your ideological belief makes determining the truth impossible.
    I was hoping you were credentialed. From what I read you are not. Fine. Neither am I. You do appear to be well read into the subject. It appears to be a hobby of yours.
    You know as well as I that a virus ran through cell cultures or serial passage through ferrets is a method of Gain of Function research. H5N1 Bird Flu example
    “Resulted in a virus that would look natural and wouldn’t appear to have been directly genetically altered, and also created a virus that was way out on its own branch of the viral family tree since those sequential passages added generations far faster than they’d naturally occur in the wild.”
    ancestral bat strain RaTG13 may be pertinent. Or not. On the one hand why would Dr. Shi Zhengli of Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) BSL-IV lab release this viral genome in January 2020.
    When it was discovered in 2013 by her team and the RdRp sequence either was withheld or was released with different, and uncited, identifier. This was the foundation of the PREDICT program. Useless in hindsight. It is the closest bat virus we have to Sars-Cov2 at the moment.
    But on the other hand why would she implicate herself and the Chinese government? Meaning why would they publish a virus they discovered in 2013 that should have been public due to the agreements on the PREDICT program. But instead of depositing the virus in a public database they did Gain of Function research and it was accidently release.
    Another thought I have is why couldn’t this be a third party initiation. Meaning an undisclosed third party went to Wuhan, China and released the virus in public.
    Knowing full well the Chinese would be blamed. Due to the BSL labs nearby. This third party would have intelligence that may have indicated the virus they release was close to a virus being studied at these labs. Or maybe they compromised a lab worker and obtain the virus that way.
    As for motive? Who the HELL knows?
    I’m finding the RBM region in the coronavirus to be very interesting and indicative of possible manipulation in a lab. I will have more to say about this later.
    To sum up it is impossible to determine if it came 100% from Nature unless they find the virus in a host somewhere. And since this is a huge geo-political risk I would be skeptical if they claim to find the host.
    Signal and human intelligence obviously could help. Much brighter minds than mind who can comment on this blog concerning this.
    Larry, does say a source claims the FBI found the virus on a Chinese National smuggling out the Sars-Cov2 virus from an American University. If true, it may bring the nation to dissolution so we the public will never hear of it.
    I don’t know the answer. But bats are over 1,000 km away from Wuhan so something is up.

  16. Avatar walrus says:

    I think it’s irrelevant where it originated assuming it’s not bio engineered. The real problem is that China appears to have deliberately shared it with the world.

  17. Avatar Ulenspiegel says:

    G. Roberts wrote: “Funny that the Five Eyes did not mention the fact that Francis Collins, director of the US National Institutes of Health, said the virus might have been spreading quietly in humans for years, or even decades, without causing a detectable outbreak.”
    It is actually clear that the virus is older, maybe not decades but at least many months or years. Expert opinion of Prof. Christan Drosten (Charite Berlins), one world’s leading coronavirus scientists, is that the Chinese fur industry provided the hosts in which the bat virsus was modified and transferred to humans, Wuhan was only the largest outbreak, not the source of the virus.
    One has only to check whether fur providing animals have antibodies, here Chinese authorities could do better than at the moment.

  18. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    J
    You previously described China’s Orwellian approach to the panoptic surveillance of its citizens, which now includes health apps to identify candidates for quarantine. India seems to going the same way:

    “India has ordered all public and private sector employees use a government-backed contact tracing app and maintain social distancing in offices as it begins easing some of its lockdown measures in districts less affected by the coronavirus.”

    The British government knows better than to try and mandate the use of such an app and I’d be very surprised if voluntary usage could reach anywhere near the level required to make contact tracing useful. The conspiracy theories about the virus being used as an excuse to tag and vaccinate us all with tracing technology is not without foundation. Over my dead body.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-india-app-idUSKBN22E07K

  19. Avatar JJackson says:

    Harlan
    I am not ideologically blind just very wary of the intelligence services. Once bitten twice shy. I took no interest in what my government was up to in the international sphere and assumed they were generally truthful until we went to war on a lie in Iraq. Then I did I begin to look and found SST shortly after it opened and have been reading here ever since. Stutnex is another little five eyes gift in the world of viruses . I am not credentialed I did one year of cell and molecular biology at King’s London and then went sailing. In 2005 I read about H5N1 and was surprised that a common seasonal virus could also come in a very high CFR and started to look online for more information and have been actively researching Zoonotic diseases ever since, mainly Type A influenzas. The internet is a wonderful gift to someone trying to understand the world if used with skepticism and caution.
    You have obviously been reading, have you looked at dating of viral sequence divergence by viral single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNP) rates yet? They may help you with the date of introduction into humans of the strain we call SARS-2 and the evolutionary timeline from RaTG13 and the other SL betaCoVs.

  20. Avatar Jack says:

    “With US, Germany & EU should pursue forceful decoupling from China. Would be expensive but not too expensive. Corona recession unique opportunity to correct wrong path”.
    @axelspringer CEO Döpfner with most radical statement so far within German liberal-conservative circles.

    https://twitter.com/thorstenbenner/status/1256844881059864576?s=21
    Following up on the editor of Bild, the largest circulation German publication, another German publisher calling for decoupling from CCP.
    Hopefully political leadership take serious action to decouple supply chains. That’s one of the best responses to the Wuhan virus.
    Unlike the fifth column CCP apologists, those who have the best interests of the people and nations in the west are growing and calling for significant moves away from CCP.

  21. JJackson and Harlan,
    I’m with you both in thinking that genomic sequencing and study will lead to answers to where and how this virus came about. Look what this science has done for the Neanderthal. Bats are all over China, not just in the south. They’re in caves, forests and urban areas. Researchers have already found over 400 coronaviruses in those bats. Hell, bats are all over the US. They help keep the mosquitos out of my gazebo here in Virginia. I remember watching them fly out of the mounted moose heads in a hunting camp in northern Maine. Still, those Wuhan lab bat researchers and anyone else who helped those researchers collect and transport bats certainly could be part of the answer.

  22. Jack,
    I’m all for decoupling our economy from China. We should start with those traitorous Waltons who built their fortune on cheap Chinese goods. We better keep an eye on those fly over country fifth columnists farmers and agro-businessmen selling American grown crops to the CCP. I’m not just being a smart ass. This business needs to be curbed for our own good.

  23. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    This will piss off walrus no end, but I tend to agree with him.
    Now that the DNI has conceded there was no genetic manipulation then the Sloppy-Lab-Handling versus Disgusting-Eating-Habits really doesn’t make much difference.
    Good for point-scoring, I suppose, and the USA could make the Chinese lose considerable “face”. But little beyond that.
    But walrus is also right that it makes a big difference if the Chinese government hid facts from WHO and the Atlanta CDC once it did become aware that there was a new corona-virus on the loose.
    Where we differ is that he believes that to be a given, while I do not.

  24. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    TTG, I believe the gene jockeys want to know if the “deadly-for-humans” mutations were already present in bats, or if the virus leapt into humans as something reasonably benign only to subsequently mutate into something deadly.
    If the former then it is all but certain that Wuhan is where that jump took place.
    If the latter then it could have been circulating for months or even years before – BANG! – it turned deadly.
    I’m no geneticist, but I assume that it is possible to work back and come to a conclusion one way or the other.

  25. Avatar Deap says:

    Until we see the scorecard for all other causes of death from prior yeas and compare them to this current year, will we understand the context for this new death certificate entry: “Covid-19.
    This may be better listed as “Co-incidental Covid-19 Death”; rather than a primary cause of death.
    Meanwhile out West, I continue to see the obituary pages filled, often those younger than myself, listing the traditional curses that suspend our mortal coil: cancers, heart disease, accidents, falls, Alzheimers, suicide….. no “death by Covid-19”.

  26. Avatar Fred says:

    TTG,
    So selling as much as we can and buying as little as we can get away with is a bad idea? What business model do you propose?

  27. Avatar J says:

    Guess who is pushing for meat being grown in a lab? The same individual who is behind the global digital ID, big buddy with and biggest sponsor of the current head of WHO, chief CCP cheerleader, promoter of and biggest funder of nanotechnology chipped pandemic vaccinations, global population reduction, and eugenics. You guessed right, Mr. Bill Gates.
    Appears that Gates is averse to livestock flatulence. Guess he doesn’t think his own farts don’t stink.

  28. Avatar TonyL says:

    TTG,
    I’m afraid it’s too late to decouple from China economically, it could take decades. There are millions and millions of Americans living in poverty, Wal-Mart selling cheap Chinese goods is what make it more bearable. And the fiftht columists are the large coporations, not the agro-businesses, IHMO. China could choose to buy agriculture products from other countries.
    There will not be war with China. It’s like commiting suicide for the US to consider such option.
    The areas where we can still win: science and technology, especially space. If an advesary is too tough, we can kill them with kindness (a cliche, but true). There is no need to gain an enemy as strong as China. Keep China as friend, or at least have a cordial relationship, so that we can have big influence in their culture and their economy. Use the same playbook that they have been using on us. What we (US) have been doing is driving China and Russia together to be a formidable superpower that we can never win against, economically or militarilly.

  29. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    J The Australian government has released a phone app that does exactly what you describe. It is (I believe, heard it on the TV) that it is a licensed version of an app that was first developed in South Korea.
    Last time I looked it had been downloaded onto more than 2,000,000 phones. I haven’t done so, but then again I also refuse to have an account on Facebook. Still, there are at least 2 million Aussies who don’t object, otherwise they wouldn’t have downloaded it.

  30. Avatar Jack says:

    TTG,
    IMO, before we get to the Walton family, we need to get to the biggest traitors – all the private equity firms like Mitt Romney’s Bain, KKR, Cerberus, Citadel and the investment bankers from Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley who structured these financial engineering deals and all the Wall St insiders who ran economic policy in government from Bob Rubin to Larry Summers. These were the people who leveraged our companies, dismantled our factories, fired the working class and reaped the financial gains along with our political class from both parties. Yes, the Clinton and Bush families and pretty much the rest of them from both parties.
    I have never seen another example in world history where the world’s dominant power voluntarily dismantled its productive capacity and shipped it to an enemy state. To the financial benefit of a small class at the apex of power. They and their paid minions in the media, academia and think tanks are all part of the fifth column that has made the United States dependent on the totalitarian Chinese communists.
    As far as farming is concerned the notion of the family farm on the prairie is gone. These same forces that have destroyed our industrial base have consolidated the inputs to farms and the buyers of farm products into a few massive conglomerates who now dominate with absolute market concentration. Of course not only do they garner massive subsidies they too don’t care about the survival of our family farms. None have the national interest at heart. Their only concern is to make a quick buck for management and private equity folks on Wall St. I only have contempt for them!
    Not only do we need decoupling from CCP but we also need a major realignment here at home where Main St is once again emphasized relative to Wall St. Where national interest merits a similar consideration to short term financial gain for the most powerful.

  31. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    When it comes to “decoupling” from China, I think that 3M has it right: “3M’s manufacturing model emphasizes local for local, which means the majority of our products made in China are sold in China, for example. We continue to manufacture personal protective equipment in multiple areas around the world, including in the United States.”
    So while 3M is “big” in China they aren’t “all-in” in China, and if there is a big market in the USA for 3M products (which, obviously, there is) then 3M keeps its manufacturing base *for* that market *in* that market.
    Seems pretty sensible to me.
    Maybe all the business schools should be highlighting 3M in their text books, rather than GE or Apple.

  32. Avatar Jack says:

    TTG,
    Check this chart of the Ratio of Total Net worth of the Top 1% by the Federal Reserve. This does not happen unless by regulatory capture. A competitive market economy does not see this kinda trend or percentages.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=qSmd
    Now see the chart for the bottom 50% of Americans. Look at the actual percentage of Total Net Worth they own. Scraping the bottom of the barrel.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/fredgraph.png?g=qSmk
    More regulatory measures gets the above two charts as the revolving door of capture ensures the symbiotic relationship between big business and big government. This is what oligarchy looks like. Well connected TBTF gets the bailouts while Main St gets opioids to numb the pain. And 80% of our pharmaceuticals are made in an enemy state.
    Yet the majority of our fellow citizens keep falling for the bread and circuses and the faux contest that Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum put out.

  33. Avatar mcohen says:

    Harlan.
    you will know the answer when male fertility rates begin to drastically fall over the next 5 years.

  34. Avatar JJackson says:

    Walrus have a listen to this https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-609/ from 11:50 to about 23:00. It is a discussion and interview with Susan Weiss who has been working on corona viruses for 40 years.
    All re. the contact tracing apps. I think the UK app would probably be downloaded fairly widely, particularly if it is sold as being helpful in protecting the HCWs in the NHS who seem to have achieved hero status in the eyes of the British public. Sadly I do not think it will be all that helpful. The Chinese and S Korean apps do allow for tracing of where an individual has been in the past which makes them far more valuable. The reason lies in SARS-2’s infectious period. Post infection the highest level of viral shedding comes a day or two before symptom onset to a few days after symptoms appear and the median time for symptom onset is about 5 days post infection (based on current evidence). Put these together and an infected person can infect you and you can be shedding, and infecting others, at the same time as they realise they may be have been infected. Using the China app they were able to discover that one infected individual had been on a bus 3 days earlier and work out who had been on that bus with them and exactly where each of them was sitting and then contact and isolate all the other passengers, and their close contacts, and kill that transmission chain. This may be too intrusive to sell in the west but the same was done in S Korea. In the S Korean case, after SARS-1, they passed emergency powers legislation giving the government the ability to do the same, in the event of a recurrence, it also allows them to look at where they used their credit card so they could find others who also used a card at the same time and place. The S Korean population seemed OK with this if the powers were only invoked in an emergency. This is why S Korea and China are the only countries so far to have had a wave and then reverted to social distancing and still contain spread.

  35. Avatar Fred says:

    Jjackson,
    Technology to ensure our health, not to assist the police state. I’m sure it will only ever be used by companies as required by law, until the law changes, and by the government – for our own safety, not its continuation in power.
    “We’re all in this together” is the national corporate slogan here. All they left out was “comrades!” I won’t bother to ask how you ensure everyone carries their electronics with them at all times or how you get it into the hands of the “undocumented” millions illegally in the US.

  36. Deap,
    One of the graphs Eric and I were throwing at each other does just what you ask. It compares covid-19 deaths to other causes. The covid-19 figures only cover two months or so. A similar graph done at the end of the year will tell a more complete story.
    https://www.thenewatlantis.com/imgLib/20200427_CovidweeklydeathsUSthroughApril26.jpg
    Heart disease and cancer will remain the big, constant killers. You can see the differentiation between flu and flu and pneumonia deaths. What this doesn’t show is how many flue deaths and covid-19 deaths had coincidental heart and lung diseases or just being excessively old. Seems to be cytocline storms, blood clots and direct heart tissue damage are directly caused by the covid-19 virus. I haven’t heard of the flu causing any of these.
    Another point on the number of flu deaths is that the numbers bandied about in an attempt to diminish the covid-19 numbers are not actual counted numbers. They are algorithmic estimates.
    “The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. . . .
    In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths — that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus — has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, . . . far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts. . . . In the fine print, the CDC’s flu numbers also include pneumonia deaths.”
    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-difficulty-of-flu-comparisons/

  37. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    JJackson,
    What is an “emergency”? – anything the powers that be define as such. You know there’s always a virus out there. If only one person is at risk, then we need to turn on the ap because “We’re all in this together, comrades”.
    Are you really advocating for Americans to be tracked? Are you really that afraid – and naive?
    I’ll be g*d d***ed if I’m going to carry such an ap. I don’t even own a “smart” phone (I use a primitive flip phone). What would you recommend be done to people like me? Be placed on house arrest? Be declared enemies of the security of the people?

  38. Fred,
    If China is an enemy bent on our destruction, I see no logical reason to sell them anything they need to strengthen the CCP. Isn’t that just aiding their efforts to destroy us? Isn’t that akin to war profiteering? If OTOH China is just another competitor rather than a mortal enemy, then sell what you can for a profit while seeking economic advantage over this competitor and stop all the “we are at war” talk.

  39. Jack,
    I agree with you. The rich are sticking it to the poor and they are doing so with the help of the government. It’s worse than a swamp. It’s a cesspool. Neither the Democratic or Republican parties are going to change that willingly. Maybe our government should have “a preference for the poor.” The rich have proven themselves more than capable of taking care of themselves. How to change the status quo without going through a revolution is the hard part.

  40. Avatar Fred says:

    TTG,
    The choice is not binary. Perhaps in lieu of shooting them we engage in the economic war that they’ve been waging against us for decades.
    In reference to your graph from the New Atlantis you left out all of Eric’s commentary on how it is misleading, such as using averages across the top to set a point of reference then use a differnt scale for all other data. The folks at that journal reminded of the old ad from childhood days. How many licks to get to the center of a tootsie pop? Three. Which is just how many degrees of seperation from that journal to Never Trumper Paul Ryan.
    ““The Ethics and Public Policy Center is a wonderful resource for creative and savvy policy proposals that are faithful to America’s founding principles. I regularly draw on the broad-ranging expertise of EPPC scholars.” Paul Ryan, Speaker of the House”
    https://eppc.org/about/
    Paul Ryan was forced out of office because he couldn’t win reelection due to his policy positions left office to spend more time with his family. What a great role model.

  41. Avatar Mark Logan says:

    The Guardian cites unnamed sources within the intell community callng the 15 page dossier reputedly from Five Eyes fake.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/04/five-eyes-network-contradicts-theory-covid-19-leaked-from-lab
    About the only clear information is that Five Eyes doesn’t want to get dragged into this. Hard to blame them.

  42. Avatar Yeah, Right says:

    Looks like the Oz intel community doesn’t take kindly to being verballed:
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/australian-intelligence-knocks-back-us-government-s-wuhan-lab-virus-claim-20200504-p54pk3.html
    I am now firmly of the opinion that this report was written by a junior assistant nobody in the office of one Pompeo, Mike.
    His “source” was Mr Google, and the document he drafted was created entirely so that Fat Mike could leak it to the Moonies and The Dirty Digger.
    On that last point, a question: if a document is created for the purpose of “leaking” it to selected journalists then is it actually correct to call it a “leaked document”?

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