“Americans are underestimating how long coronavirus disruptions will last” statnews

Deplorables

"President Trump, after signaling that he may try to restore some sense of normalcy in the country by Easter, has acknowledged that difficult times are ahead and that restrictions should remain in place until the end of April.
But experts say that, even if some restrictions are relaxed, it’s unlikely life as normal will resume in early May.

A former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Thomas Frieden, said this week that it’s understandable that people want to know when businesses can reopen and some facets of life can resume. But he said the focus of public discourse now needs to be on the public health response, not the question of when restrictions can be lifted.

“Decisions to reopen society should not be about a date, but about the data,” Frieden, now president and CEO of the global public health initiative Resolve to Save Lives, said during a briefing Wednesday for journalists. “How well and how quickly we do these things will determine how soon and how safely we can reopen.”"  statnews

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Sooo, pilgrims.  you should expect that EXPERTS will continue to insist that only they should have the authority to re-start close-up interaction between people in the US.

Power is a wonderful intoxicant.  The mere possession of power over others is a temptation to many.   The "experts" all have jobs and a paycheck.  Jim Acosta has a job and he loves Fauci, king of the experts who also has a job.

Perhaps if the Deplorables are starved long enough they will give up their orange god.  At last!  At last!  pl

 

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/03/americans-are-underestimating-how-long-coronavirus-disruptions-will-last-health-experts-say/

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59 Responses to “Americans are underestimating how long coronavirus disruptions will last” statnews

  1. Avatar Kevin McDevitt says:

    Well said. I have been concerned about this same issue for the past month. Here in Michigan, our governor was quick to pass the ‘Executive Order’ for everyone to stay at home. There is now a $1000 fine in place to back this up and there are stories about police at Home Depot passing out these tickets to customers coming out, regardless of whether they were using PPE, maintaining distance, etc.
    How quickly we allow the elimination of our rights for the illusion of security.

  2. Avatar Upstate NY'er says:

    And replace the “orange God” with who?
    Trump is doing just what he’s been continually criticized for NOT doing – listening to the “experts.”
    And these “experts” are destroying the economy – and the nation – from their very narrow scientific perch and face it, the fun power trip.

  3. Avatar J says:

    Colonel,
    I don’t trust Fauci or Birx any farther than I can throw a bull by it tail.
    The reason — Bill Gates, the money trail of both Fauci and Birx lead back to Gates, as does the UN WHO Communist Director.
    I was told many years, to follow the money trail. And the money trail between Gates and all these players lead up to a lot of dough for Gates, he’s underwriting every business out there that is trying to create a ‘vaccine’. The reason that Fauci and Birx have both tried to throw cold water on Trump’s Anti-Malaria alternative, is that the Gates vaccines will make Gates and his cronies lots of cash, whereas Trump’s common-sense won’t make Gates one dime.
    If Trump follows Gate’s cronies guidance, there will be far more deaths from the economic breakdown, than the COVID-19. Trump I perceive realizes this, and is trying to head them off at the pass.
    If everybody heeded Brix’s — you have to stay home, you can’t go to the grocery stores or the pharmacies,– then they would die from starvation and disease.
    Let’s get the economy up and running, then there is money for the ventilators, the life saving drugs, the medical masks, and the ability to create more hospitals if really needed.
    Let our USAMRIID AND Russia’s VECTOR work together hand in hand, I have full confidence in them, and little to no confidence in the CDC, nor in Gates and his cronies.
    Now I’ll get off my soapbox.

  4. Avatar Deap says:

    Can’t predict anything because this is an Election Year Flu and Democrats still control the media, and thus the narrative. Narratives don’t do data.

  5. Avatar Fred says:

    Health Expert #1: Jeremy Konyndyk, Senior Policy Fellow
    “He previously served in the Obama Administration from 2013-2017 as the director of USAID’s Office of US Foreign Disaster Assistance (OFDA),” “He is currently a member of the World Health Organization’s high level Independent Oversight and Advisory Committee…”
    Is that the same WHO that was lying to us in January?
    Health Expert #2:
    A former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Thomas Frieden (Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Administrator, 2009-2017). “Frieden was prominently involved in the US and global response to the West African outbreak of Ebola. His visits to West Africa beginning in August 2014 and a September 2014 CDC analysis projecting that the Ebola epidemic could increase exponentially to infect more than 1 million people within four months Which, oh yes, didn’t happen. What did happen was a giant ClusterF*** at the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas because the Obama administration made the brilliant decision to bring Ebola patitients to the USA.
    Dr. Frieden link1: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/09/30/cdc-confirms-patient-in-dallas-has-the-ebola-virus/
    Dr. Frieden link2: https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ebola-virus-outbreak/no-excuse-cleanup-starts-after-delay-ebola-victims-apartment-n217776
    Here’s the results of Dr. Frieden’s brilliant modeling:
    Total Cases [Ebola] (Suspected, Probable, Confirmed): 28,652 and 11,325 dead.
    How’s everyone’s math? Twenty eight thousand isn’t anywhere near a million.
    See here: https://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/history/2014-2016-outbreak/index.html
    Donald J. Trump FFS sake what are you doing? These “elites” of the world are wrong, they were wrong then and they are wrong now. This is more Obama operative sabotage of America because God knows Biden can’t win so they will destroy this country rather than see you get re-elected. What the hell are you listening to them for?

  6. Avatar sbin says:

    Have been disturbed by all the new super powers public servants have developed recently.
    As an older man 57 y/o that retired from corporate life at 50 I am fortunate.
    No debt and a large and highly valued skill set.
    While not being reckless or obstinate I am conducting my business as usual.
    Taking extra time to help those I know deserve assistance as any responsible member of a community should.
    God bless,I for one am curious about what what our country will look like on the other side of this.
    Fear the orgy of federal largesse unleashed on already rotten financial institutions will be America’s down fall.
    Well at least for us deplorables.

  7. Avatar voislav says:

    I’ll jump in and defend my fellow scientists. I don’t think this has anything to do with power, but with the fact the infection is still in its early stages in the US, so it’s hard to predict how fast it will subside.
    Based on data we are running about 10 days behind Italy, with infected people (excluding cured, so active cases) increasing 8% per day. A week ago it was increasing by 15% per day, so we are making progress. For comparison, Italy is down to 3% increase.
    We want to see a large decrease in the number of infected before restrictions are released. In South Korea, the number of infected has been dropping for 3 weeks straight. They are down to 50 new infection per day, we are getting 35-40,000.
    I think a lot of people are looking to see how Koreans do, as they are the closest to eradicating the epidemic. Once Korea reopens, we’ll see if there is a spike in new cases, if not, that will give us a safe point to relax the measures in the US.
    I think we are looking at mid-May at earliest, more likely June. My university just received an invitation to submit a large scale testing for coronavirus antibodies in people with an early May deadline, Stanford University just opened up their pilot project to public testing (first 2500 people). This is the kind of test that we’ll need in place before we restart the economy, as it will allow us to confirm if people have immunity or not and have them act accordingly.

  8. Avatar Charles Schulte says:

    This is the insurance policy the DEEP STATE spoke of. You are living it, all of a sudden the left cares about deaths? Homeless, shootings in Chicago, 17 year wars? OK I’m a believer. (SARC)

  9. Avatar BillWade says:

    J: both Fauci and Birx are tied into the Clinton Foundation.
    Fred: I don’t think the President is listening at all to these yokels, I think he’s humiliating them, time will tell, I’m hoping
    Martin Armstrong has an informative article up today. He’s not political at all but believes most governments are corrupt and usually the one’s causing any problems in the world today:
    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/conspiracy/bill-gates-is-the-greatest-threat-to-your-future/

  10. Avatar Alaric_E says:

    Voislav,
    My understanding is that S Korea never closed more than parts of a city for small periods of time. They also did not initiate a travel ban last I looked.
    Many scientists (whose credentials are more impressive than those of Birx or Fauci) are rejecting this lockdown. I’m very uncomfortable with Bill Gate’s role in this. He appears to be shopping for a new monopoly.

  11. Avatar BillWade says:

    Steve Bannon comes out with guns loaded:
    https://youtu.be/jMGeVX4fClw

  12. Avatar Upstate NY'er says:

    Anyone notice?
    The same people running scared and panicked of coronavirus are often the same ones who think we’ll all be dead in “X” years because the earth is melting.
    Hell of a way to live – perpetually scared.

  13. Avatar Charlie Wilson says:

    I give Bannon a 10 on my rant-o-meter. Actually listened to the whole thing too.

  14. Avatar Deap says:

    Hope Steve Bannon looks into the doings of the CIO for the massive CalPERS pension fund in California.
    The brand new and young CalPERS CIO is a US naturalized Chinese who previously was in the Chinese military. He spends CalPERS funds to invest in Chinese arms merchants supplying the same Chinese military who at the time were suppressing the Uighers.
    The same CalPERS who has been over-promising, and losing money hand over fist leaving the pension fund about 70% funded today compared to 102% funded in 2000.
    The same CalPERS who thinks making virtue-signaling investments is sound pension fiduciary policy. No Israel; but strong on China. No guns, no tobacco, but guns for the Chinese military is AOK.

  15. Avatar confusedponderer says:

    Upstate NY’er,
    re The same people running scared and panicked of coronavirus are often the same ones who think we’ll all be dead in “X” years because the earth is melting.
    Hell of a way to live – perpetually scared.

    Assuming generously that the folks who believe their data and science are honest and that in fact global warming is not an according to Trump “chinese hoax invented to harm the US economically”, that the corona virus is dangerous even for grandiose loooong time atheles like Bolsonaro and that global warming indeed is melting a lot of ice in the arctics – what would that mean?
    For the small island folks in the pacific it means they likely may lose their islands and will have to flee or drown and for the florida retirees living with a nice view to the sea rising water thanks to ice melting also isn’t going to be a lot of fun.
    https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/61ed2ea95bceae724e0cb3770c71f424d8155a2f/0_0_5694_3800/master/5694.jpg?width=800&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=9c4c93089919bf88f5f724f672ec69d7
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/feb/15/florida-climate-change-coastal-real-estate-rising-seas
    Our yearly spring flood has just ended and the rhine just got twice as wide and a few metres higher. We get that when the snow in the alps melts. Good that we have levees high enough. A couple years ago it was higher and flooded in a few houses near the rhine the car garages in the cellar. I saw some “watered cars” once worth a million € + removed as worthless crap and garbage after two weeks in water.
    I also helped during a local rhine flood during my military service, driving people to work by boat. Alas, I also met a pysicist who insisted to me that floods are a myth invented to build levees to help construction corporations, as he had learned in university. Oh dear. Nice guy except for that nonsense.
    To be “scared” of rising water levels is IMO a rather reasonable and sensible thing to do even though it may be too little too late.
    Trump, a fracking and coal friend, probably is not at all concerned about that. Likely he has a “Mar-a-Lago backup golf site” in colorado or some other place well higher than, say, 5 metres over water, perhaps even with a landing strip long enough for Air Force One naturally set off against tax liability.
    Means practically: If you’re less wealthy and locally bound, better get a nice life jacket and/or a boat?

  16. Avatar walrus says:

    Yesterday, God was seen walking around in Australia.
    “What are you doing here?” he was asked.
    “Working from home” came the reply.

  17. Avatar turcopolier says:

    CP
    You have become an ugly hateful b–t–d. Goodbye.

  18. Avatar Upstater says:

    Boris Johnson not long ago was advocating keeping everything in the UK running as business as usual. “Herd Immunity”, he said. The PM is now in intensive care on a ventilator.
    The CCP, playing the long game, shut things tight for 2 months. Today’s restrictions in China are tougher than many US states.
    The US is not China. The UK is not China. Who is going to win the long game? Stay tuned!

  19. Avatar blue peacock says:

    The lengthiness of the shutdown is purely a political decision.
    Right now the “experts” like Fauci are in the drivers seat. Despite the fact they never got their asses into gear early to prevent the spread like Taiwan. They have also fanned the flames of hysteria with their wild projections based on their flawed models. The right thing to do is fire these guys as they failed to contain in the first place, caused delays in getting tests to market and more importantly have not yet commissioned widespread antibody tests to determine what percentage of the population have already been immunized.
    Since this is an election year and each state and city will determine their own re-opening schedule we should take into account the political calculation of the players. Then there’s of course the ambulance chasers in the media.
    At some point those people desperate to feed their families may take matters into their own hands and break curfew.

  20. Avatar J says:

    Colonel,
    Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly appears to be eating a little crow after he flew to Guam and cussed out the crew of the USS Theodore Roosevelt and trashed its relieved Captain.
    I’ve never ever heard of Service Secretary cussing out the entire crew of an aircraft carrier.

  21. Avatar turcopolier says:

    j
    IMO, two boat school a-holes pissing on each other.

  22. Avatar Artemesia says:

    @ Bill Wade:
    One good thing about the Armstrong link: the “Just like Hitler” idiocy was deployed early on.
    Most writing that uses such shallow and historically inaccurate comparisons screams Desperately Seeking Attention and is not worth my time.

  23. Avatar sbin says:

    Because antibody tests are not available my opinion is only subjective.
    I believe I was infected between 1/17/20 till 1/27/20.
    If not that was the worst flu ever that developed a bacterial infection that required a warm compress to open my eyes for a few mornings.
    Hate to deal with something worse!

  24. Avatar different clue says:

    Kevin McDevitt,
    That story about police arrogating to themselves the privilege of
    passing $1,000 fines to people coming out of Home Depot is disturbing to me in that I was going to go to Home Depot by bus on one of my upcoming off days to order some essential ( to ME) items and ingredients for making raised garden beds with.
    One wonders if that is really what Governor Whitmer had in mind or not. If not, she will have to stamp that police action out fast and hard, or it will spread and spread and spread.
    I guess I will have to call Home Depot and see if I can order these things for delivery by phone. I will also ask them if this is indeed happening and if it is . . . is their Central Headquarters putting our Governor’s feet to the welding torch to make her make it stop.
    I walk home after work from my job at the hospital. If a policeman decides to ticket me for ” being outside without a policeman’s approval”, the first people I would call would be an ever-spreading ring of media . . . and my University Hospital bosses.

  25. Avatar Alves says:

    We probably will have 18 to 24 bad months, but that does not mean that it will be quarantine all the time.
    There are ways to easy things around, like masks, lots and lots of tests, more ICU and ventilators, better treatment protocols, people that have antibodies for the disease, etc.
    Either way, just like people need to work to put food on the table, lots of people will change their behaviour until they feel safe to go back to their old consumption habits, and that will impact the economy no matter how much people rage against it. In other words, the economic crises is not just a supply problem, we have a demand problem too.
    Also, that is one of the main reasons why plenty of economists support lockdown now all over the world. They think that no lockdown now will make the health and economic crises worse a few weeks/months later.

  26. Avatar Chicot says:

    Upstater,
    Slight correction. Boris Johnson is in intensive care but is not, as yet, on a ventilator.

  27. Avatar Keith Harbaugh says:

    While all of us are obsessing about COVID, perhaps a brief look back at the Horowitz/Atkinson/FISA abuse front is worthwhile.
    Joe diGenova gave a ten-minute interview (on 2020-04-06) on those issues:
    https://youtu.be/B5bZpF5huOw

  28. Avatar Fred says:

    J,
    That goodness the NYT conveniently put that hidden recording out from behind that paywall. Personally I can’t wait to see the Project Veritas Planned Parenthood videos front and center on the OMB NYT.
    Did you catch the part about Guam having their own health care problems? Yes, Sec Nav will take some heat and the press will have another days worth of ‘scandal’ to impress the resistance with.
    Where were the senior NCOs and what were they doing? Those sailors needed leadership from them before this all started and if there’s an ass chewing needed it should come from them not the Navy Secretary.

  29. Avatar Charles Schulte says:

    Patients with vaping-related lung injuries typically show up in emergency rooms with shortness of breath after several days of symptoms that resemble flu or pneumonia.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/vaping-illness-tracker-evali.html
    https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html
    It’s been here longer than they are telling us. Globalist planned insurance policy, they told you the only way we get rid of Trump, collapse the economy.

  30. Avatar BillWade says:

    Artemesia:
    I don’t care what you think about Armstrong but if you live outside of the United States you might want to give him a second look and try to start buying some US Dollars when you can find them.

  31. Avatar turcopolier says:

    J
    What did Crozier think was going to happen when he went out of the chain of command in an unclassified E-mail message to a lot of people? that was the equivalent of a press release. OTOH SECNAV’s reaction in going to Guam to chew on the ship’s company has a certain histrionic silliness about it. IMO if Crozier survives CODIV-19 he should be re-instated in command with an admonition or reprimand in his record.

  32. Avatar J says:

    Colonel,
    With both carriers and their crews being very important to Pacific security in dealing with the Communist Chinese’s PLA in the China Sea area. Frankly, I don’t understand with the COVID pandemic being known months in advance of today’s Crozier/NAVSEC imbroglio, where was the CNO in the decision making to keep his Naval assets away from and not allowing port stops to potentially infected areas like Vietnam and Japan, and maintaining their combat readiness given the PLA threat?
    The CNO gets paid big bucks to think and plan ahead, and not let his Naval assets be hung out in the breeze, like what we’re now witnessing with both carriers and their crews. The CNO’s shortsightedness puts a lot of DoD personnel and assets in the Pacific theater in undue harms way.

  33. Avatar Fred says:

    J,
    There are a few admirals between Crozier and the CNO, starting with the one on board commanding Carrier Strike Group Nine. The Pacific Fleet Commander made some statements about how great people of Danang were in greating this ship and her escort in the first week of March, right after completion of a 14 day at sea quarantine period. Perhaps the navy should put out an order turning off the tv’s and thier daily death watch reports.

  34. Avatar turcopolier says:

    fred
    Was the carrier admiral riding Theodore Roosevelt?

  35. Avatar Mark K Logan says:

    Fred, J, Pat.
    Doyle Hodges of War On The Rocks runs through what is publicly known at this point about the COC issues.
    https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/
    IMO Crozier decided he was taking that boat to Guam come hell or high water. If making a public statement with his now-famous letter hadn’t done the trick he would’ve committed straight-up insubordination to get there. He had to know either meant the end of his career.

  36. Avatar BillWade says:

    I don’t know about the Navy but in my old Air Force personnel days, any and all manning shortages had to be classified “Secret” or above. I found it incomprehensible what this admiral did but understand the President playing to his audience of mostly civilians and being compassionate.

  37. Avatar Fred says:

    I assume so; one of the earlier commenters pointed out that that is the airwing embarked. I would think he’s in the chain of command even if not aboard, and this certainly wouldn’t need a letter with 20 people cc’d.

  38. Avatar Keith Harbaugh says:

    Two questions on the TR/COVID thing:
    1. Who made the decision to have the TR make that port call at Da Nang? What approvals were required?
    2. I would think part of the job of Naval Intelligence is making risk assessments, which would surely include biological threats. The threat from COVID was surely well-known, not requiring any sensitive methods. Did ONI prepare and disseminate a report on this threat? If not, why not?
    Now three comments from me:
    Supposedly the port call was deemed low risk because there were few or no cases of this illness in Da Nang. If so, was the result just had luck, or did those crafty Chinese (or somebody else) deliberately infect a crew member? I seem to recall something along that line involving Kim’s half-brother.
    Why blast the CNO over this?? Surely he has bigger things to worry about than that particular port call.
    Finally, a cursory reading of that War on the Rocks article did not show the issues above being addressed.

  39. Avatar turcopolier says:

    fred
    Whether the admiral was “flying his flag” in TR or another ship he was Crozier’s immediate commander and his decision in the Danang and Guam port destinations would have been been his. But, hey, I am just a grunt.

  40. Avatar Deap says:

    In 1993, The Lancet published the following data about “pneumonia being the old man’s friend?”: What was old, is now new.
    Abstract
    SummaryIs pneumonia “the old man’s friend”—a terminal event for patients who will otherwise die soon of underlying chronic disease?
    If so, chronological age might influence treatment policy. We investigated the predictors of 2-year mortality after patients’ admission to hospital for community-acquired pneumonia, and focused on the predictive value of age. In a prospective cohort study 141 consecutive patients were admitted to hospital with community-acquired pneumonia.
    Clinical, laboratory, and sociodemographic data were collected on admission. Comorbidity was categorised as mild, moderate, or severe by a physician based on the patient’s medical history. Survival was assessed at 24 months after discharge.
    22 (16%) patients died in hospital. Of the remaining 119, 38 (32%) died over the next 24 months. In a Cox model, 2-year mortality was independently related to severe comorbidity (relative risk [RR]=9·4) or moderate comorbidity (RR=3·1), and to haematocrit less than 35% (RR=2·9) (all p≤0·005).
    However, compared with patients aged 18-44 years, patients aged 45-64 (RR=0·84), 65-74 (RR=1·28), and 75-92 (RR=1·99) were not significantly more likely to die during the 24 months after discharge (all p≥0·2).
    Old age should not be a sole criterion for withholding aggressive treatment of community-acquired pneumonia.

  41. Avatar Mark Logan says:

    Pat, Fred,
    It’s a sea thing. The captain is always the sole authority on operations aboard his own ship, which includes judging the seaworthiness of the ship and crew. I suspect nobody in the Navy will be button-holing the Admiral and demanding to know why he allowed this to happen. Wasn’t his call. Not in peacetime anyway.
    My gut says some perfumed prince in the Pentagon wanted to keep that ship at sea over the recommendations of its captain simply so “The Navy” could brag they had maintained 100% operational readiness right through the Corona virus crisis. The captain decided he wasn’t going to let one sailor die to fulfill that ambition.
    If so, God bless him.

  42. Avatar Fred says:

    Col,
    I thought the same; but I’m only a lowly sub sailor.

  43. Avatar turcopolier says:

    mark logan
    Does not the admiral command the whole carrier group? Including the TR and her screen? If not, what good is he? Could he have relieved the captain himself?

  44. Avatar Jack says:

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-07/michael-burry-slams-virus-lockdowns-in-controversial-tweetstorm
    Michael Burry of “Big Short” fame on why these extended lockdowns are the cure worse than the disease. He’s been pilloried for his views by the media cognoscenti.
    It appears that many of those still getting paychecks or pension checks are all for continuing the lockdown until the virus has been beat, while the newly unemployed with no safety net believe that it is worth the risk to get back to work to feed their families.

  45. Avatar Mark Logan says:

    I believe it’s a tradition that dates back to the square riggers. The Admiral directs the fleet and the captain directs his ship. In a fight the captain has a full-time job anyway. Admirals certainly could relieve captains, but it was rare. To effectively command one of those highly complicated, sometimes peculiarly individual, ships and crews required intimate knowledge both.

  46. Avatar J says:

    Here’s an article about a biologist who spent 18 month in China citing EMF saturation on human imunosystem.
    http://duluthreader.com/articles/2020/03/12/19851_chinas_massive_amount_of_immunotoxic_5g_networking

  47. Avatar glib1 says:

    Kevin McDevitt @1
    I don’t get it. Home Depot in Michigan is open, but if you go there to buy something you are in violation of the law and you get a $1000 ticket? That sounds like trapping to me.

  48. Avatar Upstate NY'er says:

    As the economy falls over the cliff, national decisions are made based on failing models (2 words for that – “climate models”), we are now in the hands of the truly stupid.
    Just like after 9/11.

  49. Avatar anon says:

    sbin
    I got it in 2018.took 2 courses of antibiotics and I was breathless.bad cough no fever,first time I have ever had that.had a MRI and they found an opacity on my lower right lung.said it was the site of the infection.I am convinced that this covid virus has been around before just getting stronger.that year I met many people who took months to shake it off.

  50. Avatar turcopolier says:

    mark logan
    Sounds like the BS by which the USAF has fighter jock captains lead attacks in which the unit commander is just flying along with the group. Us grunts let the boss lead no matter how f—d up he is.

  51. Avatar Fred says:

    Col.,
    Yes the admiral was in command of the whole thing and could have relieved the CO. Which would have caused different publicity.
    Mark,
    Did you not notice the “We are not at war” is conveniently the opposite of what Trump is saying about this pandemic and its response? The CO decided, like Vindman and he who John Roberts would not allow to be named in the Impeachment trial, what is the best policy for the government. He has wonderful cover for this with zero testing availabilty onboard and the knowledge that nobody in the press is going to look at the risk profile of the crew and conclude comorbidities are going to be essentially zero and the most at risk, by age, are going to be the admiral, the CO, and the other senior officers and NCOs.

  52. Avatar Leith says:

    The air group aboard the TR, CVW-11 in this case, is typically commanded by an O-6 Captain, NOT an Admiral. The Strike Group Commander would be the Admiral and in many or most cases his flagship would be on a different ship within the group. Perhaps on the USS Bunker Hill CG-52? Which btw also made the port call to Da Nang.
    And speaking of Da Nang, the port call was not up to Captain Crozier. It was pushed by the state dept in order to ‘commemorate 25 years of diplomatic relations’:
    https://www.cpf.navy.mil/news.aspx/130563

  53. Avatar Mark K Logan says:

    Pat,
    That analogy fits well. In the air the COC can be fuzzy. If the lowly Lt. pilot-in-command of the bird says “We’re bailing out!” Sir Air Admiral best put on a chute. From Big Boss to passenger in a flash…differences in opinion on the matter will be sorted out on the ground.

  54. Avatar Artemesia says:

    @ Bill Wade, Apr 7 2020:

    “I don’t care what you think about Armstrong but if you live outside of the United States you might want to give him a second look and try to start buying some US Dollars when you can find them.”

    1. I live in the USA and many money men I consult, including family members who manage billions in assets of “global wealthy families” are attempting to diversify from US dollars.
    This calculator of Value of Dollar over time provides a helpful estimate of the size wheelbarrow needed to move all those dollars — “Just like Weimar”
    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com
    Many asset managers are counseling that currency will disappear, to be replaced by electronic means of exchange or cryptocurrency systems.
    Or you can base decisions about your financial future on numerology, like Armstrong does, when he’s not running a Ponzi scheme from his jail cell.
    Me? I consult the fortune teller on Connecticut Ave. Beautiful dogwood tree just across the street assures me the gods smile on the surrounding dirt.
    2. As for Martin A. Armstrong, his a-historical version of Hitler & mercy killing is the least of his many misdeeds:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_A._Armstrong

    “[He] uses his own computer model based on pi. He spent 11 years in jail for cheating investors out of $700 million and hiding $15 million in assets from regulators. . . .
    “The case against Armstrong was finally closed in 2017, with the distribution of about $80 million to claim holders by the receiver, according to court filings. Armstrong appealed the refusal of the receiver to transport his remaining possessions from storage lockers in New York and Pennsylvania to him in Florida, but the appeal failed in 2019.”

    Sometimes you can’t fix stupid.

  55. Avatar Mark K Logan says:

    Fred,
    I think the Admiral..or whatever he was, not relieving the captain of command or shifting his flag to another vessel and staying out there is a strong indication he too did not see a compelling reason for the fleet to remain at sea at that time. The Navy’s reversal of their decision to deny his request indicates at least some up the chain didn’t either.
    I’m giving Croz the benefit of the doubt for now. The investigation will probably enlighten us on motive.

  56. Avatar Master Slacker says:

    What I find interesting is that the IC knew of China’s pandemic issues last November. Which most likely indicates that the US rural population will be dealing with this issue for the next 6 months. The virus does not care about business, the virus does enjoy proximity.

  57. Avatar turcopolier says:

    master slacker
    The masses care about the economy. they can not live on government handouts very long.

  58. Avatar Fred says:

    Mark,
    I don’t know what the admirals did or did not do. Releasing the letter in the manner he did indicate to me that he wanted it public with all the ramificaitons implied. He commaned the USS Blue Ridge immediately prior to taking command of the Roosevelt. It’s not like he didn’t know how to get in touch with the commander of the 7th Fleet without doing what he did.

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