Lara Logan on Antifa’s cadre role in anarchist agitprop


I listened to this colloquy last night betwixt Ingraham and Logan.  It supports the statements made just now by the governor of Minnesota and the mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul that the rioters the last few nights increasingly are organized, led and coordinated by people from "out of state" and dressed in black.  

Someone pays for the equipping, training, transporting of these anarchist cadres.  Who?  pl

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69 Responses to Lara Logan on Antifa’s cadre role in anarchist agitprop

  1. TV says:

    Who would be responsible for investigating this “terrorism?”
    The FBI?
    Famous But Incompetent.
    LMAO !!

  2. turcopolier says:

    Oh yes, you are the guy who lives in some little hamlet in northern Vermont. Had a lot to do with the FBI up there? LYAO eh? The FBI is not inefficient. The FBI was corrupted at the top into a criminal conspiracy against Trump. Have you ever lived anywhere other than your little town?

  3. turcopolier says:

    Black Lives matter are also going to Minnesota to participate in the insurrection. Who pays for them?

  4. BillWade says:

    Trump has tweeted, “tonight is MAGA at the White House”. What the hell does that mean?

  5. Fred says:

    Thank you for posting the video. “Who is paying” is a very good question.
    Joy Reid, hardly a Trump supporter, is shocked: “That Gov. Tim Walls, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey and St. Paul Mayor Melvin Carter and now MN attorney general Keith Ellison” are all together saying outside influences are behind the violence and looting and general agitation. The police are also “contact tracing” those arrested. I think the thread is worth a read:

  6. Deap says:


  7. Diana Croissant says:

    I soros (oops! meant “suppose”) it might be the same group that organized the massive fundraising from out of the country to pay for Barry Soretoro’s first run for the Presidency. No one seemed to care that such fundraising was illegal.
    It really must be absolutely galling for our ex POTUS that the Weather Men got the forecast all wrong for election day when DJT was first put into office.
    It’s amazing how much money you can get for nihilistic mayhem making a group of young never-do-wells can get so they can travel and make mayhem.

  8. boots says:

    Funding starts as self-funding or informally croudsourced from friends and relatives, develops into more formal croudsourcing, particularly of higher-profile (twitter etc) commentators and informal reporters, and sometimes of infrastructure (food, legal, etc.).
    Finally, there sometimes becomes enough structure (not yet), that some big anonymous donors throw in. In New Orleans after Katrina, Michael Moore was a big anonymous donor. In Occupy Chicago, Lupe Fiasco was. Occupy Wall Street in NYC had probably $250,000 donated at its peak, because people throw money at stuff like that. None of it was earmarked by donors (beyond in-kind, ie warehouse space). It destroyed OWS because their decision structures weren’t equipped to deal with that absurdly large sum of money.
    Often the life cycle of protests after a televised police killing of a black person is that local youth come out and begin to self-organize. Some blow off steam, some debate. They develop self-organization and very astute but very local demands. Out of town insurrectionists (antifa, non-ideological nihilists, and right-wing insurrectionists) show up for the circus and are resented by some local factions. Finally, national nonprofits like Black Lives Matter and undefinable organizations like some of the Democratic Party’s wings take “leadership,” disempower the youth, who head home, and substitute their demands for those of the youth.
    If these uprisings are remembered to have polititcal content, it is usually the messaging of the national orgs that gets remembered (eg. body cams after Ferguson).

  9. Richard Engler says:

    Shortly after the last presidential election I received an email asking me to join the resistance. To join, I was to put in my address and I would receive directions to connect with a local group. I remembered being impressed with the professional quality of the website and wondering who had paid for it and the staff needed to put together a nation wide organization. Someone had to have been working for some time to have a nationwide organization set and ready to go. Several weeks later I watched a group get together in a local park. The meeting was well organized and seemed to have a top down command structure already in place. Impressive.
    Someone got caught on camera.

  10. J says:

    Soros’s Open Society has the means, motive, and opportunity to train, equip, and finance such operations.

  11. Mark Logan says:

    The video Richard posted shows the guy in black with a good gas mask and oddly, considering it wasn’t raining, an umbrella. That same ambient camera-foiling tactic is also in at least one video of Logan’s collection if Antifa interviews, probably more. Haven’t seen this tactic used by anyone else associated with these protests.
    They may be self-equipped, trained and funded. Trying to sneak around in Antifa “uniform” is dumb.

  12. elaine says:

    Democrat controlled cities, counties & states must be totally paranoid & ill informed if they think by cracking down on ANTIFA all the whites are going to rush out & join the damn KKK.
    Someone told me yesterday Mike Tyson tweeted, “If everytime a black killed a white whites rioted there wouldn’t be any blacks left.”
    Supposedly he then deleted it.
    Lara Logan’s analysis is accurate imo, unfortunately she’ll gain
    little traction with the Dems who control most major cities.Apparently they’d rather see the entire county trashed than listen to this lady.

  13. Richard Engler says:

    A video showing ANTFA using the umbrellas. They seem to be trying to control the narrative by putting their violence on nationalist or some “white” group. If you watch videos you’ll see them with their hammers in and black dress in the riots across the country.

  14. Terence Gore says:
    guy with hammer umbrella gas mask dressed in black breaking autozone shop windows, walks away when confronted

  15. Flavius says:

    The wheel turns but institutional memories are short. Beginning in the 50’s, building momentum through the 60’s, blossoming in the 70’s, and dwindling in the 80’s, domestic violence was integral to American life. Malcolm X said the “violence is as American as apple pie. With the exception of some Cuban Nationalist groups and the Klan, it was almost exclusively left wing: FALN, Weathermen, Black Panthers, SLA, Black Liberation Army, bank robberies, Armored Truck robberies, bank bombings, campus bombings, landmark bombings, police assassinations.
    The solution then, as now if there is the stomach and the will, is persistence: surveillance, undercover, informants, wires, bugs, searches, and arrests. For too many reasons to go into, but one of which is the Left’s wholesale conquest of the Universities, when left wing violence has not been entirely removed from consideration, it is presented as either fully justified and excusable.
    It appears that that is the attitude that predominates in Government over the past decade or so, acceleration in the era of Trump Hate.

  16. longarch says:

    Sir, in response to the question of who funds antifa, most people on my favorite anonymous message boards believe that George Soros is the key financier.
    You may be aware that the riots seem to have been facilitated by pre-positioned equipment:
    AG Barr has indicated that he is on the case:
    Some recent topic threads have had titles like “If US Treasury Declared Antifa an International Terrorist Group, Then All It’s Financiers (Soros) Would Be Targeted By All US Systems. Why hasn’t that happened?”
    Some anonymous commenters also accuse Soros of funding Black Lives Matter:
    To the best of my knowledge, antifa are not considered domestic terrorists according to any official law, but some lawmakers have sought nonbinding resolutions that antifa are terrorists:
    Unfortunately, many patriots who relied on Twitter to accuse antifa of crimes have had their Twitter accounts suspended. Example was the Tweet headlined “Source with whom I have great trust says MN AG Ellison is coordinating w/Antifa. This IS VERY disturbing after hearing his comments in today’s Presser. Antifa has been bussed in & are paid! Truth”:
    Many of the key stories are being reported at
    But I don’t want to post dozens of links to that site because I might get automatically flagged as an undesirable contributor.
    Incidentally, thank you for posting such high-quality articles. Recently your work has been linked at:

  17. Master Slacker says:

    Fred, these events are in reality a response to the burgeoning effects of the pandemic blossoming forth as a reason to remove all semblance of true individual privacy/identity.

  18. walrus says:

    We are seeing a set up for HRC to become the Democrat Presidential candidate and “save ‘ the country from Trump in my opinion. Biden can’t beat Trump because he appears weak and an indecisive bumbler. The country is going to call out for strong leadership and Trump wins in that dimension against sleepy Joe.
    I wouldn’t put it past Joe to even voluntarily relinquish candidacy in favor of HRC. The Clintons must have enough dirt on Joe to sink a ship.
    What happens then is what bureaucrats call “file stacking” – the Democrats will just list issues:You know, the wall, Russia, China, Hong Kong, Covid, lockdowns, recession, Minneapolis and just shrug their shoulders asking their audience if they want more of that?“ Very effective technique with sheep.

  19. says:

    Knock me over with a feather, I’m having to self correct. Slowly
    but surely some Democrat mayors are admitting “outside anarchists”
    are behind much of the violence.

  20. Ishmael Zechariah says:

    What is the operational value of being easily identified to the cadres dressed in black? Could law enforcement extract some such during the riots, and follow it up with a legal interrogation? I guess those extracted could not get away stating just name rank and #.
    Ishmael Zechariah

  21. turcopolier says:

    IZ They do not always do so. something of a uniform.

  22. Fred says:

    Master Slacker,
    The institutional left has been all in favor for such things for a long time. It surveilance technology, capitalists just sell it, various governments often mandate it. Interesting take on autonomous vehicles. There are almost enough electronic controls in vehicles now to shut them off remotely to keep “non-essential” people from violating those stay at home orders. I think that realization will give a number of people pause on buying them.

  23. AK says:

    Gov. Walz and Mayor Frey seem to be blaming “white supremacists and cartels” along with “foreign actors”. They appear to be going out of their way to deflect the blame from Antifa. This has been the standard play from city officials in Portland anytime there has been a dust-up there. Now being adopted elsewhere. What does this suggest to everyone?

  24. EEngineer says:

    I saw the outline of a cellphone is several of those pockets. Few under 40 seem to be able to part with theirs without going into withdrawal. Anyone with access to the cell network can ID every one of them to within a few yards in real time. A few hundred if they have their GPS function turned off…
    It wouldn’t be too hard to build a passive scanner net to do the same thing. Which begs the question: why aren’t they? Or is this the “set the hook” stage?
    The real pros will only have untraceable walkie-talkies though. Even then a grid of directional antennas would be able to help you match surveillance camera footage to recorded transmissions…

  25. Yeah, Right says:

    If you don’t know the identity of those who are training, supplying and supporting these anarchist cadres then that speaks volumes.
    After all, if it really is an “outside” organization then the US Intelligence Community would be aware of its existence, and would have spared no effort in thoroughly infiltrating it. Inside out and top to bottom.
    So if the US IC claims not to know the identity of that “outside” organization then that simply isn’t credible, and the only credible explanation is that there isn’t an “outside” organization standing behind all this at all.

  26. Terence Gore says:
    rioter take weapon fron police car. Well trained individual moving quickly takes weapon away.

  27. John Credulous says:

    From the authorities:
    From OSF:

    • Purvi Shah is co-founder of Law4BlackLives, a network of over 2,000 lawyers, law students and legal workers of color dedicated to building the Black Lives Matter movement.

    This is a fake:

    • Led largely by young black women and men, black immigrants, and queer people of color, the Movement for Black Lives has forged a new national conversation about the intractable legacy of racism, state violence, and state neglect of black communities in the United States… (et cetera)

    Here’s why:

    • These social transformations are reflected in the political outlook of the Black Lives Matter movement, which is devoid of any genuine element of social protest or democratic struggle. The agenda of these organizations, as underscored by the support of groups like the Ford Foundation, has nothing to do with the real social and economic grievances of millions of workers and young people of any race or ethnicity. They speak for highly privileged sections of the middle class who are fighting over the distribution of wealth within the top 10 percent of the population.
  28. Name Withheld says:

    I’d want to see the evidence for funding other than self-funding. Maybe there is a protest-travel nonprofit org which funds travel for peaceful activists. It’s a mix of people but the are into forming clubs. Real social. Used to be called “Black Bloc,” a subset of the otherwise peaceful, idealistic anarchist culture. An unhealthy subset. Unreasonable. Not a lot of fun. Paranoid.
    Maybe they are not the same as “Black Bloc” but—“Black Bloc” is just a tactic as Antifa is a tactic.
    I never hear of black bloc anymore—it’s all “Antifa” now. So I figure they just rebranded so’s to have a name which said “we are against fascism, just like our noble brethren who fight the neonazis in Germany (German Antifa) and that horrid afd” instead of “we are psychos.”
    I met a lot of people in Oakland who could have been in Antifa. Other anarchists sometimes blend over when in demonstrations… depending on the cause…
    I went to the west coast anarchist convention once in coos bay Oregon.
    Article looks interesting.

  29. John Credulous says:

    • “Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one’s enemies. – Leon Trotsky”

    A brief history of provocations:

    • “Dmitry Grigoriyevich Bogrov … was the assassin of the Russian Minister Of The Interior Pyotr Stolypin. … Bogrov, while simultaneously acting as an anarchist revolutionary, had been an agent of the Okhrana secret police since 1906, informing on the activities of Socialist Revolutionaries, Social Democrats and anarchists.”

    More Fake News:

    • “Authored by Times reporter Farah Stockman, the article consists not only of breathless accounts of gratuitous acts of violence by these elements and extended quotes from individuals claiming to represent their politics, but also multiple links to anarchist and black bloc websites and twitter feeds, helpfully provided for any reader who might want to get involved.

      There has been a long experience with the violence of the so-called “black bloc,” anarchist and ANTIFA protesters, not only in the United States, but in Europe and around the world. The politics of these movements are thoroughly reactionary, based upon a visceral hostility to any struggle to mobilize the working class and youth in an independent political struggle…
      The challenge confronting those seeking to carry out genuine political actions in opposition to the government and the capitalist system it defends is to identify these provocateurs before they can do their dirty work and throw them out.
      The Times, however, seems determined to see them get in. The article includes the following: “The question now is whether anarchists’ efforts against Mr. Trump—whether merely colorful and spirited, or lawless and potentially lethal—will earn their fringe movement a bigger presence in the battle of ideas in years to come.”

  30. Piotr Skuratowicz says:

    Trump doesn’t have the balls to follow the shekels.

  31. LondonBob says:

    After the London riots they carefully went through cctv footage, social media arrested large numbers and gave out heavy sentences.
    Soros operates beyond the law in the West.
    “And I will set the Egyptians against the Egyptians: and they shall fight every one against his brother, and every one against his neighbour; city against city, and kingdom against kingdom.”

  32. Eric Newhill says:

    Well, if anything, recent events should illustrate why a civilian might need a scary looking rifle with high capacity magazines.
    So they can scoop up General Flynn’s convos, but they have no idea who is behind the riots? Yeah sure.

  33. turcopolier says:

    I watched a lot of the action last night. New York, Washington, etc. With Logan’s list of characteristics in mind it was not difficult to spot the antifa people. Back packs in the middle of the night. Heavy phone use among the same people. The same people often using bicycles to get around. A few of them had umbrellas. On occasion one would open his umbrella and hold it up. IMO that is a leader identifying himself as a rally point for those close enough to see. Occasionally several pack wearers would group together to watch the action. There were a few in black but most were not last night.

  34. turcopolier says:

    Those of you who actually believe that antifa cadres are government provocateurs are simply nuts. If that is what you think, please go away. I will eliminate your scribblings as fast I identify them and then go back and eliminate your previous screeds. I will not allow this space to be turned into a fantasy fest and fun for the feeble minded.

  35. turcopolier says:

    The local governments under attack say that a lot of the people they are arresting in the streets are from “out of state.” I find it difficult to believe that some significant amount of money is not being provided to these anarchists to enable them to travel and live in the area under siege.

  36. Barbara Ann says:

    It was very kind of Mr Musk to reschedule the SpaceX launch so that Dragon’s rendezvous with the ISS happens this afternoon.
    Good morning and happy birthday Colonel.

  37. J says:

    This is not about George Floyd’s demise, it’s a carefully constructed op to destabilize U.S. society. Just is the MO of the George Soros Open Society that was used in Europe against Russian influence with the so-called orange revolutions. Soros is a Globalist (and self-admitted WWII Nazi collaborator) who hates Trump and his administration with a vengeance, and hates our U.S. for our freedoms even though in his late 80’s he is enjoying those very freedoms that his Open Society Organization is trying to destabilize.
    The Hungarian government would love to have Soros in their custody so they could try him for his crimes. Trump ‘could’ hand Soros over to the Hungarian Government through the U.S.’s Nazi-Collaborator Law that is in place, and there is not a thing that Hillary and Soros’s buddies could do about it.

  38. Eric Newhill says:

    I can see Hollywood personalities as being a source of funding.
    I see the failure to identify leadership networks and funding sources using best methods and sources as incompetence as opposed to governmental conspiracy. The groups need to be labeled as terrorists and then DHS should get busy.

  39. turcopolier says:

    Yes. Antifa should be declared a domestic terrorist group. That would open a lot of doors. just saw some film from Chicago in which the Antifa cadres fight the police face to face in the street. The technique is for women with hands up to stand in front of the masked male fighters whenever it looks like the police are going to whip their asses.

  40. Danny Nicolas says:

    Trump hinted that it was China providing the outside influence — when the media started to jump to their fall back screech of blaming russia
    Trump said the media couldnt blame the real source because the media were beholden to them — China?

  41. BillWade says:

    After Trump tweeted “MAGA night in the White House tonight” I thought that might mean a round-up of Antifa operatives nationwide. Not so, obviously. The NYC cops were pretty brutal last night from the videos I saw. I believe President Trump will let this go on a while longer thinking it’s gaining him votes every day it lasts, this might be a mistake, I can see his base getting nervous that he hasn’t done what they want him to do and is just waffling about.
    The optimist in me says to end the virus lock down now and hope the economy comes back. The pessimist in me says that won’t happen and the result will be massive unemployment with lots of folks booted out of their homes. Invest in RV manufacturers.
    Where I live one bar has never closed, 4 bars have recently started running as speakeasys, and 4 more bars plan to open tomorrow as normal bars with lights on and music. I think the cops here will turn a blind eye. Currently, none are allowed to be open.

  42. stueeeeee says:

    Antifa is a distraction. Their involvment in the festivities shouldn’t be a surprise to the authorities since it is the authorities who have given them cover.
    Two nights ago during the riots, our local news aired Atlanta mayor’s press conference. She spoke along with representatives from the “community”: a rapper, a DJ, and an old black man. The mayor ranted and screeched about her black children and the dangers they faced and how she can’t protect the protesters when they misbehave. The rapper spoke a dialect that was hard to understand, but he seemed to claim that Atlanta is a sanctuary to the black community. The DJ, heavy set and rather tall, wore a black shirt with the message “Kill your masters”. The DJ emotionally stuttered about the epidemic of Blacks being murdered by the system, the police. Then, it was the turn of the old black man to come to the podium. He briefly spoke of his experience of the civil rights movement.
    There was little talk of coming together. There was no talk of the law and the rule of law. It was raw political militancy: us and them, mobilize, our house, our black children, our black businesses. It was stunning.
    Back in 2008, I supported Obama. I even gave money to his campaign. Why? Even a cold realist has delusional hopes. His election would prove to the black community that this country is a land of opportunity and is willing to change and address its problems. I hoped his presidency would undermine the race hustlers and victimhood pushers. My God was I wrong.
    These riots tell me that the enemies of America know our achilles heel. They can manufacture riots and civil unrest with ease, and there is nothing we can do about.

  43. John Credulous says:

    To be clear: “Biden Must Win”
    That is what this is all about.
    Destabilize society, deligitimize the current government.
    If the “authorities” appear or are in fact incompetent, then they have lost legitimacy, the mandate to lead.
    Where are we right now: ambiguous Covid19 response, lock down, unemployment, hints of a darker economic future, warm weather and up coming election.
    Covid19 blame game is played out, and not to Biden’s advantage. Meme: Cuomo and Nursing homes.
    Lock down, again, power mad Democrats, “Who. Know. Best.” They pander to Karens and Snowflakes.
    Unemployment, serious long term issue. Discretionary spending may decline due to concern for lack of future economic prospects. This does not help Trump.
    Warm weather and election, IMO these riots “jumped the gun”. They happened too soon. More effective in September. In May ? How can this escalate ? Assassinations ? Again, already, this is played out, and now the spin begins. And not to Biden’s advantage.
    Biden Must Win. Why ? Two words: “Seth” “Rich”.
    Out of desperation, these manipulators are trying to use the technology of Maidan internally. BIG mistake. They are sawing off the branch upon which they are sitting. Think “Tom Perez”.
    The Russians thoroughly summarize the political and digital technology involved:

    • The first step along the way to duping people is to convince them that the protest is peaceful and that the police are unfairly cruel. These two theses are repeated like a mantra by the leaders of the Hong Kong and Moscow protests. In parallel, backing up their words with sentimental staged photos. The weakest and most defenceless part of the population is suitable for these purposes: pregnant women, small children, disabled people who allegedly resist the “forces of the government” by themselves.
    • In Moscow the city authorities successfully stabilised the situation at the initial stage. But in Hong Kong, as was already noted, the leadership gradually made concessions, up to the implementation of the main demands. But today, this is not enough for the protesters. New demands about reforming the government and the electoral system, as well as the resignation of the authorities, are made.

  44. Deap says:

    Recommend getting a copy of the Steve Bannon documentary “Occupy Unmasked” to explore origins, funding and malicious intent of these “spontaneous” organized and disciplined astro-turf protest movements.
    There is a common thread – to be forewarned is to be forearmed for the present one and the next ones. Bannon puts out a good video product, even though he always looks like an unmade bed.

  45. boots says:

    Day 5 of coverage on begins with local black (55-year old) business owner’s resentment at out-of-town insurrectionists, consistent with my earlier take, followed by (@9:00ish) local young black women who are giddy with the wildness of what’s happening in their neighborhood.
    Apparently I was wrong about locals or out of town insurrectos starting the property destruction. Undoubtedly they participated, but it appears that a local undercover police provocateur started the property destruction phase:
    That’s pretty common in the US, and in color revolutions abroad.
    I’ve never heard of Soros/OSI donating to parties in these sorts of actions in a way that is discoverable. Many anonymous donors are discoverable. Things are usually cash-poor at this stage anyway. No infrastructure for recieving funding. I would bet Soros mostly funds abroad, not domestically.
    Consider these actions to be an overlapping of multiple tendencies:
    * Local grief/anger/hope/nihilism
    * Block party/rave of out-of-town nihilists
    * Circus/frustration for bystanders and for police
    * Opportunity for nonprofit sector and Dem persons to “build their brand” as part of their social climbing
    * Marketing/sales opportunity for military/police equipment vendors
    Here’s a great thread on this “outside participants” phenomenon at Moon of Alabama:
    MoA’s coverage of Syria/Iraq/Af/Pak is politically similar to this blog, domestically they run to the left of this blog.

  46. Mark Logan says:

    I believe the primary reason is a growing feeling of desperation within urban young adults. The COVID lock-down has hit them very hard. There were demonstrations in Salt Lake City which has a tiny ethnic minority…but SLC, like most Western cities plagued with skyrocketing rents, has a fast-growing homeless problem. It’s trouble looking for a place to happen, and the Floyd incident was but a spark. The general response is too far out of proportion with that incident to have been primary.
    Is Antifa led this? They are there, no question. Time will tell if they have or are merely clowns trying to run to the front of a stampede. They can’t be leaders for long without them becoming clearly identifiable.

  47. rho says:

    Here in Germany, parts of the Social Democrat Party (SPD) and other parties of the left-wing spectrum (Greens, Left party) sympathise and collaborate with Antifa. “Anti-right-wing” projects and NGOs can obtain government funding even if they do not explicitly distance themselves from left-wing extremism. Enabling this was a change in government policy that the SPD pushed for some years ago. I suspect it is a major source of the funds that support Antifa activities here in Germany.
    Here is an article from 2018 out of “Vorwärts”, which is the SPD party newspaper:
    “In the fight against the right wing, the SPD also needs the Antifa”
    translated excerpt:
    “Nobody wants an alliance with violent thugs, but especially because young people who are antifascist and antiracist activists in our country are often being criminalised, it is our damn mission to stay by their side. It is our mission to seek discussion and critical solidarity with them. (…) We are dependent on broad alliances in order to oppose right wing extremism and racism in a thorough manner.”
    Also note that the author of this article, Angela Marquardt, comes from a family whose members almost all worked for the East German STASI until 1989 and she had joined the successor party of the SED in the 1990s before she eventually ended up with the Social Democrats.

  48. Vegetius says:

    >What does this suggest to everyone?
    That this is an attempt to stir up anti-white resentment among nonwhites, brainwashed white women in the suburbs, and the weak men (and/or poor cats) who have to live with them.
    Over 65 and still can’t see it? This is why you are handing off a smoldering wreck of an economic zone, when what you were handed decades ago was a strong, confident nation.

  49. jerseycityjoan says:

    I am also interested in who is financing this. If the rioters are getting fed, housed and transported by local people the costs to run this operation may not be high.
    But I think what is more important may be the impressive speed and very effective organizing skills the rioters have shown in getting multiple cities in chaos so quickly. When you can get rioting going in places as small and isolated as Fargo, you know what you are doing.
    Where did that expertise come from? How did they recruit people to commit crimes such as arson which carries stiff prison sentences? Are they all extremists or are there some normal people who are so disgusted they are turning to violence?
    I also worry that this is just the start of a period of social unrest. If the young people are finally reaching a point that they are going to start fighting back against the high degree of inequality and difficulties they face, who knows what may happen next.

  50. jerseycityjoan says:

    The White House says Trump is not going to address the nation today. He is dodging his responsibility to provide moral leadership. He is setting a bad example to the protestors and looters. Most of them can be reached and many of them long to hear from a president who cares about them and understands the difficulties of their lives.
    The rioters are a harder nut to crack. Some of them can’t be reached, they have their own ideas and agendas that aren’t easily changed.
    Is there another Republican who could reach the hearts and minds of these people and the rest of the American people today? If there is, I wish they’d speak up.

  51. akaPatience says:

    A survey yesterday of arrest records in Minneapolis revealed that nearly 90% of those arrested were locals. This caused some back peddling among pols and leftists who’d tried to pin it on white supremacists and even Russians (promoted by the NYT of course!!!). As well, leftists now claim it refutes the idea that Antifa was inciting the riots. But IMO it doesn’t necessarily disprove out-of-town organizers being on the scene: it’s possible they may be well-practiced in avoiding arrest, and are functioning more as commanders.

  52. AK says:

    I’m 39. I see it clear as day. My question (rhetorical for the most part) was to suggest that Antifa is without a doubt a useful political tool for the Democrat party all the way up to the top of the chain. It’s not just the fringes of the Left. Keith Ellison, Minnesota AG, is a sympathizer, and his son, a city council member in Minneapolis, just openly tweeted his support and allegiance to Antifa.
    As for me, I am applying for an age-waiver officer commission in the United States Army. I am still very, very physically fit refuse to sit helplessly by while the country that my grandfathers suffered to preserve and build is rent asunder. I have a 3-yr-old son and I will do everything in my ability to prevent his having to grow up in a world of the Left’s vision. I may well lose old and dear friends over this decision, but I don’t care. As much as I love them, I can make new friends. I can’t find a better country in which to live, and nor do I wish to do so.

  53. Keith Harbaugh says:

    Boots wrote:
    “I would bet Soros funds mostly abroad, not domestically.”
    Depends on what counts as “most”.
    For Soros’s very extensive meddling in local elections in Virginia, see, e.g.:
    It is definitely worth noting that the Soros-backed candidates uniformly backed decriminalization of marijuana usage (because such prosecutions “disproportionately affect minority communities”) and the fashionable liberal cause of “criminal justice reform”.
    As a side note, I would note the overwhelming-Jewish percentage of those promoting the usage of illegal and harm-causing drugs.
    E.g. Adam Eidinger and Adam Ebbin.

  54. walrus says:

    Col. Lang, Two reports here of the composition of the rioters/protesters. Both support your view that this is organised mayhem – domestic terrorism. First report was an unscripted interview on Australian ABC of a an Australian reporter (fairfax press) in Washington. She said there was a group she saw mixed in with the protesters whose objective was to inflame and instigate and encourage riot and looting. They were often at odds with non violent protesters.
    Second report, third hand via police here that an american colleague had advice that “protesters/rioters fell into three groups; genuine SJW peaceniks, organised riot instigators and opportunists who just wanted to steal stuff.
    This IS organised and it has to be stopped and the perps and their masters detected and dealt with.
    ………Before the White population has had enough and fixes the problem themselves.

  55. Fred says:

    “Before the White population has had enough and fixes the problem themselves”
    You mean they are going to stop voting for democratic politicians? It is democratic elected officials who declared shutdowns, drove millions into unemployement, forbade christian churches to hold religious services, ordered police to fine and/or arrest small business owners who attempted to run their shops. It is they who allowed the rioters to take control of cities and burn businesses – mostly small business – to the ground. Democratic politicians did that.

  56. Mark K Logan says:

    The majority of the protesters are white. About half female, nearly all young.
    The Seattle police report the groups during the day are protesters but come nightfall opportunistic vandals and looters begin to predominate. The media caught significant footage. The opportunists seem clearly divided. The looters are young adults wearing face covering and variously dressed. Kids looking to get stuff. The vandals are of two types, graffiti sprayers who look like the looters and several black-clad and gas-masked young men in black with hammers and such randomly breaking things. The police are very interested in nabbing a few of the latter type.
    If they keep coming out it won’t be long before more information is available on those boys.

  57. RE says:

    They have been planning and organizing for at least the last 4 years. There are government programs that have been subverted to support ANTIFA. Listen to how they try to frame the narrative. This has all been planned and coordinated on a national level.

  58. Mark K Logan says:

    As a follow up to my previous post, it appears the protesters grabbed one of these black-clad guys and handed him over to the police themselves.

  59. Yeah, Right says:

    Mark K Logan, pretty sure that the “protester” who was first to tackle the vandal is an undercover cop.
    Note the yellow tags on his bag? I would bet good money that was the Undercover Cop Tag Of The Day, which is why the other three “protesters” knew to pile in the instant the tackle was applied.
    Notice also how the cop asks a quick question once the handover is affected, gets an affirmative answer from the guy with the yellow tag, and then both are instantly satisfied.
    Slick work – don’t get me wrong, very slick work indeed – but it was the slick work of law enforcement, it was not a “citizen’s arrest”.

  60. Fred says:

    Yeah, Right,
    A police officer arrest a rioter, how dare they! Or, a citizen of the US stopped a vandal and the cops didn’t let the looter go and arrest the “protester”. How dare they!
    Meanwhile in the peaceful, well run, democratic stronghold of Chicago:
    Twenty One dead
    Eighty Two wounded
    Four run over by cars
    One drowned
    Three stabbed
    138 police officers injured
    Democratic Mayor Lightfood is doing a heck of a job.

  61. Name Withheld says:

    Looking over my last comment (May 30 11:06 pm) and after two more days of riots, and having watched more footage, I want to retract my attitude of familiarity—as if I would know about their money situation.
    Still: their ethos is *mostly* D-I-Y, self-funding, probably fraud and stuff…FAFSA (student aid)…selling pot+ (at least in the past)…working at nonprofits…
    Tend to be vegan. Sometimes not though.
    Alf, Elf, Black Bloc/Antifa… very similar viewpoints to the point that they may share members/actors in common.
    They produce a whole gamut of literature…
    Culty, kinda racist (blood-thirstingly anti-bourgeoise), paranoid, and virtue-signaling.
    Self-selected vanguard of “the heart armed”
    and other phrases translated from French.
    Guillotine-enthusiasts. I guess something-wrong-in-the-head guys and the gals who love them.

  62. Mark K Logan says:

    Yeah, Right,
    Don’t think so myself. For me it’s not difficult to imagine a great many of the people in the crowd being there for the stated reason for protest, believing in it whether or not I or anyone else might believe it to be stupid, nor to imagine ordinary young men acting in that way towards that man in black.

  63. Yeah, Right says:

    What’s your point, Fred?
    At no stage did I suggest that it is an outrageous suggestion that someone committing a crime should be taken into custody.
    I said what I said i.e. it looks to me that the man who tackled that vandal was an undercover cop, not a protestor.
    So why don’t you ascribe your own arguments to yourself, and I’ll do the same, and that way we will both be much better off.

  64. Yeah, Right says:

    Mark K Logan, it’s possible that these were legitimate protesters who had simply had enough of vandalism. Of course it is.
    But it was you who argued that “The police are very interested in nabbing a few of the latter type”, and I take it that nobody here believes that the police *don’t* have undercover cops in amongst these protests.
    So it seems to me that the most likely explanation for that video is that it represents one occasion when the undercover cops spotted one who was foolish enough to isolate himself from any help, and so they nabbed him.

  65. Fred says:

    Yeah right,
    Ok, upon reflectin, I interpret your first comment as a signal to those rioting that they can identify potential police by color narkings or tags on their gear and clothig. Actual police infiltrating a group so they can arrest a single rioter in a city full of them rather than arresting the whole group earlier in the day makes zero sense to me. It is also apparent that the mayoral leadership is both incompetent and abetting the rioters. Your English has improved significantly in just a few weeks too.

  66. Mark K Logan says:

    Yeah, Right.
    That comment of mine was relating a 1st hand account from a Seattle PD officer, the incident in the video was from DC. Different dept.
    “THE police” is how the media always refer to them, but it’s even more misleading as “THE Ho Chi Minh trail” was. There were thousands of trails, and there are thousands of individual police depts, each largely under the total control of their local politicians.
    I regret somewhat my tone though. I find all this painful to witness and am a bit cranky.
    I didn’t think that guy was a UC cop for several reasons: He was near the front lines, likely to catch a rubber bullet if things went bad and only seeing what the police in the front lines could see anyway. His yelling of “KICK HIS ASS!” to the police, and it would be odd for a UC guy to risk his cover and his ass to take down one clown barely 20 feet from the uniformed cops. IMO that would only be likely if that clown had been trying to use his hammer on a person, not a sidewalk. Seemed far more likely to have been a response from a true-believer protester.

  67. Yeah, Right says:

    “Ok, upon reflectin, I interpret your first comment as a signal to those rioting that they can identify potential police by color narkings or tags on their gear and clothig.”
    Well, that would be a foolish interpretation.
    There are going to be undercover cops in amongst that crowd.
    There are going to be uniformed cops facing off against that crowd.
    The latter are going to have to have some way of identifying the former, for obvious reasons.
    And it is axiomatic that
    A) it isn’t going to be obvious and
    B) it is going to change from day to day.
    “Your English has improved significantly in just a few weeks too.”
    No, it hasn’t. But thanks for confirming that your judgement on that matter is just as flawed as it is on other matters.

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