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Keith Harbaugh left this comment this morning.
| TTG, might I suggest a dedicated post on the coronation of Charles III? To some of us that was an important milestone. I watched at least part of it. It was interesting, to me, to see the rather dominant role religion played in the ceremony, more like a service. Of course there were also various social aspects to what was going on: who is in and who is out. Maybe taking a break from obsessing about Eastern Europe would be a good idea? |
Well Keith, here’s your chance. I’ve seen only a few seconds of the coverage of the coronation and read a National Geographic article on the various symbols on display during the coronation. I find the traditions and symbols of those traditions interesting. And I’m glad so many find solace in those particular traditions.
I found Prince Charles to be a curious mixture. He was a serious man concerned about the welfare of the English people and the people all over the world. He was also concerned about the creatures of this world and the world itself. He acted on those concerns. But I also saw elements of Monty Python’s upperclass twit in him.
But that Prince is now gone. He is King Charles III. I wish him well and hope he retains and acts on the lofty concerns he held as a prince. I’ll gladly tolerate and even smile when moments of the upper class twit shine through during what I hope is the new king’s long, enlightened rule.
TTG
Thanks!
My wife would be all over my case on not giving history lessons BUT, the religious significance remains from the time when absolute monarchs rec’d their blessing from god (the church) to so act. More recently (hahah) I think you would have to go to Henry VIII, the Anglican Church, Elizabeth, Charles, Mary, and James to understand the religious symbolism in the coronation. The coronation was/is great public relations. But when Charles, asked if he would accept responsibility for this kingdom said “I will”, he expressed a solemn commitment to the British people. Let’s wish him luck.
If Charles is able to set aside his own personal politics, including his connection to the WEF, the Great Rest and global warming, he will be a successful monarch. But if he decides to use the monarchy to promote his own leftist agenda he will crash and burn.
The King is a figurehead that preserves important traditions and institutions. His role is to give greater credibility to the democratic process, but not to meddle in that process.
Charles deserves a chance to do his job, but his strongly held opinions make me think he might not be the right man for the job.
We’ll see.
Hopefully, he will continue to advocate for his people and what exactly is the “Great Rest?” I haven’t heard that term before?
it’s a reference to the Great Reset Initiative, Laura,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Reset
The Great Reset Initiative is an economic recovery plan drawn up by the World Economic Forum (WEF) in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.[1] The project was launched in June 2020, with a video featuring the then Prince of Wales Charles released to mark its launch.[2] The initiative’s stated aim is to facilitate rebuilding from the global COVID-19 crisis in a way that prioritizes sustainable development.[3]
Thank you.
maybe the third time will be the charm?
The (historical) past two King using the name of ‘Charles’ had reigns that were a bit ‘drastic’ (to understate things).
Watched what I could of the coronation; Heard (historian) David Starkey’s comments that very few members of Parliament were present for the coronation, from either House of Lords or House of Commons. He expressed some concern and I will be paying attention to that.
Sad to see that Biden blew off the ceremony – cannot see that in any good light.
kj
Biden didn’t “blow off ” the ceremony. The President of the United States doesn’t go to coronations of kings/queens. Never have….
True and rightfully so. However, he let his wife go, at our expense, instead.
I didn’t watch. I purchased a big densely illustrated coffee table books authored by Prince Charles years ago – title was something to do with the beautiful harmony of the natural world. As much as I personally don’t care for the Royals I had to admit to myself that it was a marvelous work. And did he write it? Probably not in it’s entirety. Al Gore is almost laughable by comparison. If Britain would remain satisfied in the role of cultural Capitol of the world it would please me far more than it’s present attempts at imperialism. The last of these shindigs I watched was Princess Diana’s funeral. Her loss was a tragedy to me and many others. The music was transcendentally beautiful, including Elton John’s reworking of Candle In the Wind, though the classical pieces were magnificent beyond words. That event uncovered many things, for me at least. People confirmed their true character, there were few surprises. I was mocked by highly educated people for experiencing grief over her death whose funeral they were proud to say they certainly didn’t watch.
I watched enough of the Netflix series The Royals to wonder how Charles would fare after being portrayed a essentially heartless and self-absorbed. Maybe that was intentional.
Princess Diana’s Funeral – Candle in the Wind – Elton John
https://youtu.be/7BrtCtv44Vg
Бутылка – Какая осень в лагерях (Butirka – What an Autumn in the Camps). Butirka is a famous old prison established by Catherine the Great. Solzhenitsyn spent time there.
I am personally very grateful to the people at Google for recently finally adding the translate feature to YouTube comments in the Russian language. It had been available in most other languages for over a year at least.
https://youtu.be/Gwysnu84uQM
The Stanley Brothers – Rank Stranger
https://youtu.be/I16YOPmmZbs
My favorite Butirka song and it’s finest performance imo.
Бутырка – Малец (Malets – Kid)
https://youtu.be/9iQLLhhH9ww
Inna Walter – Korona .. follow me (Инна Валтер – Корона folge mir)
https://youtu.be/CxbpLYiVgfc
Мурkiss – Жиган (gypsy)
https://youtu.be/z4wPzdZfxrk
Well, I have a pretty close connection with the current Monarch. Gives me a certain proprietorial interest in his fortunes. I was once on “Morning. Yes, touch of rain in the air” terms with a formidable lady who had once known one of the Ladies-in-Waiting to his mother.
Naturally she was as of right Queen Bee of the flower arrangers in the village Church. Who dared contest her rule? Well, lots actually since her notion of flower arranging was foursquare and gave little room for fantasy, but she suppressed rebellion with an iron rod and foursquare the Church flowers remained. The Lady-in-Waiting, never identified but always hovering about the Queen Bee like an aura, saw to that.
I wonder if King Charles is allowed Ladies-in-Waiting too. Better not, perhaps. Imagine one of them leaning out of the limousine these days and admonishing the jostling crowd, “Pray good people be silent, I am the Protestant whore”. The gossip writers would be working double shifts. I doubt anyway the new King has a cat in hell’s chance of making up ground on his illustrious predecessor:-
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Nell-Gwyn-Gwynne/
Hopefully he will undo some of the damage that Churchill and his successors did to Britain and her native peoples.
But probably not.
Now come the days of The King, may they be blessed” Gandalph the White, Return of the King, 2003, Peter Jackson, Dir.)
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I found quite a bit of the Coronation to be puzzling.
I knew it was a Kingdom, but little did I realize that the UK was a Theocracy.
Yet there it was, in chapter and verse straight from the lips of the Archbishop of Canterberry as he presided over the event, and from start to finish.
Turn the sound down and the Coronation is one of pomp and ceremony, almost quaint. But turn the sound up and its… What? He just said what?
I discussed this with a few of the expat Brits that I know and they all just shrugged their shoulders and said “yes, it’s a bit odd, isn’t it”.
Yeah, Right,
It is the Church of England and the monarch is the head of that church. But you’re right, that’s not often mentioned.
From Article of Religion 39:
The King’s Majesty hath the chief power in this Realm of England, and other his Dominions, unto whom the chief Government of all Estates of this Realm, whether they be Ecclesiastical or Civil, in all causes doth appertain, and is not, nor ought to be, subject to any foreign Jurisdiction.
You can hear (about 3 minutes) the actual oath Charles took here:
https://youtu.be/xbPMtuN9RJM
And read it here:
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/royals/2023/05/06/oath-full-text-coronation-king-charles.html
Note the specific references to the Protestant faith (no Catholics need apply :-).
For some historical background, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_Oath_Act_1688
In terms of the dynamics of power, it is interesting that in this interaction,
it is the cleric who has the power, not the prospective monarch.
Keith; specifically no Catholics need apply! The Roman Catholic Church was to be considered the “whore of Rome”. Charle’s oath grows out of Henry VIII’s row w/t Catholic church over Ann Boleyn. I’m not religious but I understand the Anglican (sounds like Englican doesn’t it) is much like the Catholic except Henry made himself the head of church not the Pope. Although Ann must have been some looker, Henry had her beheaded in the Tower a few years later. What a cad. Note there is also no allowance for Zoroastrians, Jews, or Moslems. The idea of religious freedom in England and/or America is just not true. In America, each colony had its preferred understanding of Christianity and, at the least, you were not welcome if you disagreed. A good example is Ann Hutchinson who met her death in Pelham NY after being “asked” to leave Mass., R.I., and L.I. The idea of religious freedom and separation of state and religion came about much later. The problem today is that some ultra leftist believe its govt’s job to deny any/all religion anywhere, anytime. So we are moving from no preferred religion to no religion at all. The secular state run amok!
Billy Roche,
I don’t see ultra leftists trying to deny religion. Perhaps they don’t express respect or reverence to established religions, but that’s not denying religion to others. They want to deny governmental preference for any religion, but, again, that’s not trying to eradicate religious practice or belief. They fight against the imposition of religious practices and beliefs on others. The attempt to impose religious beliefs and practices on others seems to a right wing trait.
@TTG
“They fight against the imposition of religious practices and beliefs on others. “
Yes, especially Christian beliefs, whereas, strangely, they don’t seem to be so dedicated against Islam, might there be reasons(s) for that?
jld,
Where do you see leftist support for the imposition of Islamic beliefs and practices on others? I did see leftists flocking to the Rojava Kurds, even fighting side by side with them, to resist the imposition of Salafist Jihadist beliefs and practices on others.
@TTG
I did NOT pretend there is leftist “support” of any Islamic practices and I don’t care which brand of Islam they favor for this or that retarded minority.
I am talking about the ABSOLUTE lack of opposition by leftists to Islamic indoctrination all over Western countries, whereas, as I said, Christian values are fair game.
In France they support removing crosses and statues and NEVER protest Church arsons and such.
As you know I am a full bore atheist, this is not a matter of religion.
TTG,
“deny governmental preference for any religion,”
ESG, LGBTQplus the rest; now transgenderism and of course global warming, i.e. Climate Change.
Fred,
When was the last time you were forced to march in a gay pride parade or at least stand in the crowd waving a rainbow flag? They apply for and are granted permits just like the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and, far less controversially, Saint Patrick’s Day parades.
TTG,
It is a long time since I was in elementary school, but they now require rather pornographic materials and pro-gay material in class. You might have seen that even on the Fredricksburg news, or at least the complaints from the left about the Florida Legislature and the Parental Rights in Education Act. Perhaps you have not seen that? Equally ESG is being pushed via both the EU and US States like California. Surely that even made some commentary on Dailykos. Certainly “climate change” is something you can remember being mentioned.
Fred,
Book bannings around here center on high school libraries. In elementary school. we started with the Dick and Jane books. I remember the first story was nothing but various combinations of “look” and “oh.” The only story that stuck wit me was a local handyman teaching the kids to bake potatoes in burning leaves. I remember “Old Yeller” in 4th grade and lots of English and American literature including bite size pieces from Beowulf, Cotton Mather, Dickens, Hawthorne, Mark Twain, Poe among others. My sons didn’y have Dick and Jane, but they did have a lot of the same titles that i read. Before they started school, I read to my sons every night I was home almost exclusively from Dr. Seuss.
ESG doesn’t bother me at all, as you might expect. Investing in such things like blood diamonds and slave labor produced products just to make a buck just doesn’t appeal to me. Besides, if one is inclined towards states rights and less federal intervention, why should letting California go her own way on these things be of any concern to anyone outside of California?
TTG,
You did not attend a government school nor apparenlty have you kept up with what they are teaching and doing. That county right up the road from your house jailed a man for complaining at a school board meeting about the board covering up the rape of his daughter. The FBI got involved in that one as I recall.
California’s ESG would be wonderful but for all that interference in inter-state commerce, which apparently is no longer an issue since it served its purpose in the left’s path to power. I’m sure your decendents will appareciate a lower rate of return and change of corporate focus as ESG initiatives drive corporate governance into making ESG goals rather than even approaching a maximization of return to owners. They’ll love the inflationary effects that has too.
“blood diamonds and slave labor produced products”
I have no idea about the diamond market but slave labor produces a great deal of the raw materials for the ESGers so beloved wind, solar, and ev platforms. And Nike and a few other apparel makers. Maybe we can get the NBA off their collective knees and convince their players not to take the Asian slave masters’ yuans in exchange for promotional appearances. Or get Bernie, AOC, and the Squad to disavow the new slave masters in Africa who are using child labor in the Congo to satisfy the climate change cultists’ Lust for Lithium.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2023/02/01/1152893248/red-cobalt-congo-drc-mining-siddharth-kara
Fred,
I attended a public grammar school (as we called them in New England) as did my sons. Their high schools were also DODDS and public. The reading lists in the Stafford County public schools and the DODDS schools in Germany generally mirrored the reading list in my grammar school. The Fairfax County rape cover up and the later National Merit score scandal had nothing to do with what books are used in classroom instruction. The FBI and the Virginia AG are in that school board’s knickers on both these scandals. Spotsylvania is removing 14 books from school libraries including 2 by Toni Morrison because of the objection of one parent. Seventy plus parents spoke for keeping those books, but the one objections trumps the majority.
If the ESGers are serious about their principles, they’ll put some effort into fixing their DROC and China slave labor conundrums. Invest in mining and manufacturing in the US and other more savory places. We just opened a cobalt mine in Idaho. We’ll see if they’re willing to forego a few almighty dollars in exchange for their consciences. But if it’s all talk, they’ll stay with the DROC and China in pursuit of maximum profit. I gather you’d prefer a full focus on the maximization of return.
@TTG
All this chit-chat with Fred while relevant to the topic of leftists delusions still does not address what seems to me the most puzzling point:
WHY are lefties so adamantly hostile to Christian values and so lenient to Islamic gross violations of basic human decency?
jld,
Which Christian values are you referring to? If you’re referring to the Christian value of the sanctity of life, you make a valid point with the subject of abortion. But the Christian values like love, charity and caring for the poor, needy and downtrodden are embraced by the left. The lessons of the Sermon on the Mount are embraced by the left, while those lessons are seen as hopelessly woke by many on the right.
I also see no leftist leniency towards gross violations of basic human decency, Islamic or otherwise. On the contrary, it is leftists who appear most outraged by the excesses of Islamic regimes and jihadist movements. It is those on the right who are lenient towards the Gulf Royals, including Prince Mohammed Bin “Bone Saw” Salman.
@TTG
LOL, we obviously don’t “see” the same leftists.
While I am not denying that a handful of them are indeed the saintly beings you describe there is a humongous crowd which seem completely out of your vision.
Like, asking for crosses and statues removal, condoning Churches arson, purposely welcoming destructive “refugees”, etc, etc…
TTG, let me draw your attention to what is going on up the road from you in Loudoun County:
“Virginia parents harassed, threatened for speaking out, opposing LGBT teaching in schools: ‘I would shoot him’ ”
https://www.foxnews.com/media/virginia-parents-harassed-threatened-speaking-out-opposing-lgbt-teaching-schools-i-would-shoot-him
The popularization of sterilization-on-demand,
and the efforts of the left to both promote it, and attack anyone who vocally opposes it,
are disgusting.
Two reasons for that view:
1. We all can, and sometimes do, change our minds about issues.
And as we know, some people have changed their minds after their bodies were irreversibly mutilated – with key body parts being irrevocably destroyed.
The Hippocratic Oath is “First, do no harm.”
https://www.cms.gov/blog/first-do-no-harm
Slicing up people’s genitals unnecessarily seems like an utterly clear violation of that oath.
2. Who is going to populate America in the future, after those of us alive now die?
Without producing children, the future is, obviously, empty of people.
“Transgenderism” is the ultimate shortsighted, future-destroying hedonism.
At least Vladimir Putin and Archbishop Kirill understand these issues.
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-allies-fight-against-lgbtq-values-messaging-ukraine-war-1726924
Just some things maybe worth thinking about.
You got your quote misleadingly wrong.
“If he had said that s— about black kids or autistic kids I would shoot him,” someone else posted in the group.
By sterilization-on-demand, do you mean vasectomies and tubal ligations? What’s wrong with them? Do you prefer unwanted pregnancies and forced child birth? I do think those surgeries, as well as sex change surgeries should require an age of consent. A common limitation is 21 years in most hospitals. Puberty blockers and hormone treatments are easily reversed. They can be younger with parental or court consent.
You’re worried about who’s going to populate America in the future? Less than 2% of Americans identify as transgender. That won’t make a dent in our birth rate. India has a much higher percentage of her population identifying as transgender and she’s the most populous country on Earth. It’s not transgenderism that’s reducing our birth rate. If we’re that concerned about the birth rate, we can adjust our immigration. Immigrants are predominantly younger and have higher birth rates.
TTG,
“Puberty blockers and hormone treatments are easily reversed.”
That’s an even worse lie than all the Covid crap we’ve had to put up with these past two years. I pray to God you are not with all the pro-Tranny crap going on.
Fred,
The only trannies I knowingly saw were the mahus down on Hotel Street in Honolulu. The mahu has a long history in traditional Hawaiian and Tahitian cultures.
See also:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Governor_of_the_Church_of_England
Our Founders were well aware. Hence, the 1st Amendment. “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” We have freedom of religion (to practice whatever form we choose) and freedom to have no religion and freedom from state-imposed or sanctioned religion.
Cheers!
I am not sure why anyone would be surprised that religion played a leading role in the events. Maybe people are not aware that the UK has an official state religion, and that as king, Charles is the head of that religion? The ceremony was as much about installing him as the head of the Church of England as it was anything else. It would be weird if religion didnt play a leading role in the events of the day. Maybe it will put to bed rumours circulating for years and years that Charles had secretly converted to Islam. It should also be a good reminder of why our founding fathers made separation between church and state one of the bedrocks of our country. We spent years fighting to separate ourselves from state sponsored religion and the “divine” rights of kings.
Right on. Let’s hear it for my distant ancestor, Roger Williams of Rhode Island.
Might I direct attention to, and honor, the ladies of my mother’s generation?
https://kwharbaugh.blogspot.com/2023/05/the-ladies.html
The Church of England was created for the very pious reason that King Henry VIII grew tired of cutting off the heads of his beautiful wives and since he couldn’t divorce them according to the religious dogma of his day he created another dogma. Princess Diana, however, was neither beheaded nor divorced. She was nearly beheaded according to some sensational press reports, but no, she died in a car wreck. Anyway, Charles mummy was in charge back then, not Prince Charles, Diana’s husband. She was dating an Egyptian playboy while married to the heir to the throne of Great Britain and then she died in a car crash. Most people don’t believe that Prince Harry is actually the real son of King Charles III, but rather a handsome swain of Diana’s who took care of horses or something. And thus with another step and then another and another and another we eventually arrive at Rome. That’s what they used to say. Prince Harry married a woman who appears to be White but somehow or other is actually Black, which somehow or other makes the entire Royal family racist, as well as England too I guess because their Prime Minister is Rishi Sunak. What a bunch of racists the English are. Even worse than the American racists who have had a Black president, now have a Black Vice President and lost 750,000 men killed and 4 times as many wounded and maimed in a time before a aesthetics and penicillin in a Civil War which had something to do with the issue of slavery. Ok. Time to watch Oprah.
Has anyone found the YouTube channel which actually features the Devil? I’m not kidding. The Devil has his own YouTube channel. Yes, that Devil. I think he calls himself Michael Something, the former imprisoned head of a powerful Mafia clan who made a fortune ripping off NY State gasoline taxes in a wild scheme. He’s free now, and swears he’s found Jesus. You can believe that if you want, but if you can’t tell by watching him and listening to him that he’s actually the Devil then I don’t know what to say other than that you should definitely not buy any suspension bridges or real estate on the moon. Anyway, according to the Devil, who as you ought to know is very powerful and who knew everyone in the underworld of course, there’s a certain Holy Man in America for years now who even has his own TV show in primetime especially during election years and guess what – according to the Devil, this Holy Man was, back in the day, how shall we say, a man involved in highly disreputable affairs, really disreputable.
Ok that’s all. Back to reruns of Oprah.