Let’s see the two cabinets.

Usagrant3 This presidential election is going to be a close thing.   Many are skeptical about McCain and others do not trust Obama.

It might be helpful at this point if the two candidates would make it clear whom they intend to nominate for the various cabinet posts.

This will be difficult because of promises made on the order of the grand scam in "The Producers," but a disclosure would nevertheless be helpful to the electorate.  pl


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34 Responses to Let’s see the two cabinets.

  1. Pan says:

    I wholeheartedly agree on the need to let the voters know whom the candidates will appoint to cabinet posts. Let’s see if Obama and McCain are serious candidates who will appoint adults to the posts.

  2. Bill W, NH, USA says:

    Barack Obama, please tell us you’ll name Dr Ron Paul as your Secty of Treasury.

  3. Jose says:

    Col, not fair…you are trying to make sense out of the nonsense that is the American Presidential election system…
    Just in…McSame has canceled his campaign so he can focus on the economic meltdown..

  4. Clifford Kiracofe says:

    Excellent idea! The public would have a better sense of what each candidate’s team and direction would be.
    It would be good to see Obama enlist some moderate Republicans to his cabinet.

  5. WP says:

    Unfortunately, there seems to be little difference between the two candidates on the economy. Both are apparently signing onto the Great Bailout that will result in the greatest transfer of wealth in American history. Certainly, that transfer is going to be in the wrong direction.
    Only a bottoms-up approach will help. The Paulson Theft Plan will bankrupt the nation. The royalty will rot in their riches, while the serfs pay off their usurous debts.
    Expect an amendment to the Bankruptcy Act soon to make it virtually impossible to avoid bad real estate loans that were bought by the government in the Bailout and expect more draconian credit card enforcement. The guys at Carlyle Group cannot be deterred from collecting full face value for what they will buy back at lower than rock bottom prices. Don’t forget the new Republican racist talk-show line, “It’s all the fault of those poor black guys in string vests down in Alabama that lied on their mortgage apps. and those liberal community activists that made the banks lend to them.”
    After all, look at the Veep choices. Eliza Doolittle and the Senator from CreditCardLand.
    Soon we will see Obama and McCain kissing Cardinal Paulson’s ring while GWB beams over what he has done for his proud father, family, and friends.
    Sorry to be so pessimistic, but right now its hard to be very hopeful.

  6. JohnH says:

    Why do need to know McCain’s cabinet? It’s obvious. All the arsonists who got us here will help put out the fires.
    SecDef- Robert Stevens, President, CEO, and Chairman of Lockheed Martin.
    Secretary of the Interior — Lee Raymond, former CEO and Chairman of Exxon Mobil.
    Secretary of the Treasury — LLoyd Blankenfein, CEO Goldman Sachs.
    Secretary of State — Bill Kristol.
    Secretary of Labor — Todd Palin.

  7. Allen Thomson says:

    SecDef for either O or M:
    Gates or Petraeus.
    Gates, understandably, has said he’s outta there come 2009. Assuming he can’t be persuaded to change his mind, it’s Petraeus.
    I don’t know that General P., excellent guy though he be, can handle the job, but nobody else comes to mind.

  8. Actually because of the need for public as well as vetting by officialdom it would be wise for each candidate to post the top ten maybe candidates for each of the Cabinenet departments. Then not locked in but the public could take a swing before the election.

  9. Dave of Maryland says:

    You know it doesn’t work that way. If Hillary wants a cabinet position (though I can’t imagine why she’d give up her senate seat), she will kiss Obama’s you-know-what every day until he’s elected, and probably every day until the inauguration, when it’s finally final.
    From the candidate’s point of view, he needs the option of adjusting cabinet picks to the mood of the moment. Everything quiet in the big cities? Then HUD can go to the guy who delivers the most cash. Economy exploding? Find some famous name & publicly announce he’s signed on. China threatens Taiwan? Find an old China hand for Defense. But if Russia invades Georgia, drop him in a hurry for for some old Kremlin hack.
    We’re not a parliamentary system, we don’t have a shadow cabinet, we have to live with the results. Less is more. It is to the candidate’s advantage to sketch his appointments in hopeful generalities, so that voters imagine he has their personal picks uppermost. Which is what they have long done.

  10. lina says:

    Why not just look at the people advising the candidates prior to the election? Why is it important to know specific people?
    Is it because for 8 years we’ve had an empty vessel in the presidency who is easily influenced by the last person he spoke to? Is that it?

  11. TR Stone says:

    Off topic–
    I just got off the phone with my wife , who is in Atlanta, GA, and the big news story there is “there is no gas in many of the stations about town”.
    Has anyone else have confirmation of this fact?

  12. David W. says:

    Perhaps the closeness of the election is a ruse? Those living in ‘battleground’ states should find this article interesting:
    I ghost-wrote letters to the editor for the McCain campaign
    I spent a morning in John McCain’s Virginia campaign headquarters ghost-writing letters to the editor for McCain supporters to sign. I even pretended to have a son in Iraq.
    The assignment is simple: We are going to write letters to the editor and we are allowed to make up whatever we want — as long as it adds to the campaign. After today we are supposed to use our free moments at home to create a flow of fictional fan mail for McCain. “Your letters,” says Phil Tuchman, “will be sent to our campaign offices in battle states. Ohio. Pennsylvania. Virginia. New Hampshire. There we’ll place them in local newspapers.”
    Place them? I may be wrong, but I thought that in the USA only a newspaper’s editors decided that.
    “We will show your letters to our supporters in those states,” explains Phil. “If they say: ‘Yeah, he/she is right!’ then we ask them to sign your letter. And then we send that letter to the local newspaper. That’s how we send dozens of letters at once.”

  13. Mad Dog says:

    The public anointment during a Presidential campaign of Cabinet-level officials, if they occur, is typically used as a political tactic intended to buttress one’s own candidacy.
    Such was the anointment of Colin Powell as future Secretary of State by a then publicly-acknowledged woefully foreign affairs-ignorant Dubya.
    That it was a campaign gimmick was obvious. That it had little to do with future US foreign affairs policies was not. We are all worse off for the gimmickry.
    That said, in the case of Obama, one could imagine the same valuable campaign tactic being used in the anointment of Republican Senator Chuck Hagel as the future Secretary of Defense or even Secretary of State.
    I do not predict such an anointment, but I wouldn’t dismiss the possibility should the Obama campaign believe an electoral advantage was available or if they felt that things were slipping away in the realm of a foreign affairs/defense issues debate.
    And finally, I will throw on the interesting possibility of Colin Powell announcing his support for the Obama candidacy and the potential that would possibly have to buttress Obama’s cred.
    Can I start that rumor here? *g*

  14. par4 says:

    I don’t recall anybody urging Bush to put Democrats in his cabinet.Now that the Republicans are losing their majorities it’s time for bipartisanship?

  15. TR Stone says:

    The Prez says “please save my ass”!
    My comment is f**K you and all the republicans that felt the market will determine what is REAL!

  16. Indigestible says:

    Moderate Republicans in Obama’s cabinet? That worked out so well for Bill Clinton.
    There is no greater flaming sack of excrement in the constellation of Degenerati Republicanus than Grover Nordquist. On one point he is right, bipartisanship is another name for date rape.
    An Obama administration if it comes to pass must win or lose with Democrats.
    Some I would like to see in the cabinet are Wes Clark (SD), John Edwards (AG), Jennifer Granholm (SI) and Elliot Spitzer (ST). I know Edwards and Spitzer won’t make the cut but I like their credentials regarding Corporate America. Pardon Spitzer then rehabilitate Edwards and if Fox doesn’t like it give MSNBC unprecedented access to the White House.
    This is Tong War.

  17. Geoff Miller says:

    Agreed. Anyone who votes just for a man or woman who is running for the White House probably shouldn’t be voting.

  18. David W. says:

    While this is an exercise in futility, because anybody who would really make a difference in these positions is, by Beltway definitions, a fringe wacko (Remember, they live in ‘Bizarro World). Despite that, here are my Quixotan picks:
    Ron Paul for Secretary of the Treasury
    Ralph Nader for Attorney General.
    Alice Waters for Secretary of Agriculture

  19. Homer says:

    Please see and comment ….
    Why is a U.S. Army brigade being assigned to the “Homeland”?
    Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

  20. zanzibar says:

    David W.
    I would definitely second your choices of
    – Ron Paul as Sec. of Treasury
    – Alice Waters for Sec. Ag. Wow. Delicious.
    I would also suggest Jim Grant as Fed Chair. This guy knows banking history and is sound money focused.

  21. Paul in NC says:

    I think there is a federal law prohibiting the offering of any federal employment for political endorsement (I’m sketchy on the details) that the candidates are afraid of running afoul of, or being accused by their opposition of running afoul of. That’s one reason why they don’t name cabinet members in advance.

  22. Clifford Kiracofe says:

    Is the US Zionist Lobby, with its Israeli friends and Neocon worker bees, setting the stage for McCain to appoint Senator Lieberman as Secretary of State?
    “WASHINGTON, Sep 24 (IPS) – A group of hard-line U.S. neo-conservatives and former Israeli diplomats, among others, are behind the mass distribution, ahead of the November U.S. presidential election, of a controversial DVD that critics have denounced as Islamophobic.
    “The group, the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), is working with another organisation called the Clarion Fund, which produced the 60-minute video and is itself tied closely to an Israeli organisation called Aish Hatorah.
    “The Fund is currently distributing some 28 million copies of the DVD through newspaper inserts in key electoral ”swing” states — states like Michigan, Ohio, and Florida that, according to recent polling, could go either way in November’s presidential election.
    “According to Delaware incorporation papers, the Clarion Fund is based at the same New York address as Aish Hatorah, a self-described “apolitical” group dedicated to educating Jews about their heritage.”…
    Aish Hatorah appears to be an Israeli based organization with offices in New York and Los Angeles.
    Foreign influence in US elections with potential foreign governmental backing? So shouldn’t the FBI be looking into this? Shouldn’t the US counterintelligence community be doing same?

  23. Ed Webb says:

    There’s an “Endowment for Middle East Truth”? Orwell must be laughing (bitterly) in his grave.
    In other news, Colonel, did you pick up today’s NYT gem – foreclosures may be disenfranchising large numbers of voters since they are registered at addresses they no longer own. Lose your house, lose your vote. Engineering the electorate is an old trick – but this one could be one of the more effective. No wonder Dubya wants to reward the Wall St hacks who made it happen. Happily, McCain has lost none of his addresses, so far as I know.

  24. Mike Martin, Yorktown, VA says:

    If Obama wins, it will be interesting to see if he pulls a Pelosi, or if unleashes his AG to investigate all that has happened over the preceding eight years.
    And it will be interesting to hear the Republicans who gave a blank check to Kenneth Starr’s investigation squeal over the cost of investigations of the Cheney administration.

  25. WP says:

    After looking at the hearingg and Bush’s speech, it is clear that Paulson, Bernake, et al. should immediatelyresign because of their gross failures of oversight and conflicts of interest.
    I think the Democrats should condition any bailout on the resignation of Paulson, Bernake, and the SEC chief and the confirmation of more reliable and impartial administrators. The Democrats should simply dictate their choices for the posts. Today.

  26. frank durkee says:

    I think the critical people are the whithouse staffers and the subordinate people in the key departments. Since ‘so’ much of the decision making has moved up to the Whitehouse that’s primarily where to look.

  27. Drongo says:

    Do presidential candidates normally announce in advance of the election who will hold particular positions in their anticipated cabinets? In the UK ministers or secretaries of state are invariably Members of Parliament. At an election it is assumed most of them will continue in their posts until a possible cabinet re-shuffle. Likewise the opposition parties will have MPs who are spokesmen/women for e.g. defence, education, transport etc and it is assumed they will, if their party is elected, become ministers/secretaries for the areas they have specialised in up till that time; but it is not a foregone conclusion, and a Prime Minister may appoint people to posts with a view to balancing the left and right wings of the party, how much he/she owes the candidate for their efforts in the election, matters of gender balance etc. No PM or opposition leader has ever announced before the election the certain makeup of the incoming cabinet. That surely would give hostages to fortune, might arouse resentment and, and could create divisions within the party . In the US, your cabinets are not appointed from the legislature so it is a different system. But I would have thought a prior declaration of the cabinet would similarly weaken both candidates’ positions and cause deep divisions within their parties and cause intense politicking among their campaign supporters. In any case, am I not correct is saying that all an incoming president’s appointees to the cabinet are subject to scrutiny and approval by the Senate? A previously declared cabinet may face intense opposition organised months in advance of the election by senators even by senators within the presidential candidate’s own party, and may fail to get ratified, making the prior announcemnt of the cabinet pointless. Just a thought.

  28. Maybe on topic, definitely beside the point:
    “This will be difficult because of promises made on the order of the grand scam in “The Producers,”
    … which that would imply that both candidates would be aiming to lose.
    A wonderfully perverse notion.

  29. Patrick Lang says:

    PH the Dane
    Does Denmark allow people to hold dual nationality? I am thinking of someone who lives in my town here.
    “would imply that both candidates would be aiming to lose” Well, I am perverse enough for that, but in fact, I only meant that such promises might have been made. pl

  30. Patrick Lang says:

    A UK cabinet is a parliamentary committee. Yes?
    A US cabinet is nothing like that. The cabinet officers have nothing to do with the Congress except that their appointments are confirmed by the senate and they can be removed from office by Congress.
    Cabinet officers are normally not named before the election for a variety of political reasons, but this is an exceptional case. The election is so close that voting decisions might be influenced by the names. For example, the nomination of Lieberman, a neocon zionist, to be Secretary of State would be a clear indication that McCain intends to continue and perhaps expand the war program of the Bush Administration. Clear enough? pl

  31. SubKommander Dred says:

    There’s a retired US Army Colonel I know who would make a great Secretary of State…
    SubKommander Dred

  32. joe says:

    I live in Atlanta we have had gas shortage now for two weeks.
    It’s getting worse with the majority of stations not having a drop.

  33. bubba says:

    Perhaps more relevant to the audience here, an overview of Obama’s intel advisors:
    The Spies Who Love Obama
    Advisors do not necessarily translate into nominees, but they do give a hell of an insight into the type of people being considered.
    From that article I see a a split of good and annoying.

  34. bubba says:

    A follow up from the author of that last piece on Obama’s intel advisors:
    Obama, McCain, and the World of Intelligence

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