Open Thread 28 August 2021

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  1. Barbara Ann says:

    So Science magazine finally makes it crystal clear that vaccine mandates and vaccine passports have zero to do with healthcare. Odd how no one is interested in testing for natural immunity is it not? Well not when you realize what mandates and passports are really about.

    “The natural immune protection that develops after a SARS-CoV-2 infection offers considerably more of a shield against the Delta variant of the pandemic coronavirus than two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, according to a large Israeli study..”

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties

    In other news, parenthood is now a privilege which can be withheld from the unvaxxed. A mother in Chicago has been denied access to her child until she gets the Vaxx.

    https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/cook-county-judge-strips-mother-of-parental-rights-over-vaccination-status

  2. Sam says:

    Incredible protest in London as thousands take to the streets against lockdowns, vaccine passports and CCP-style medical tyranny.

    https://twitter.com/michaelpsenger/status/1431651447398014979?s=21

    The fascists have the perfect excuse for increased authoritarianism. Your safety! The excuse EVERY-TIME.

  3. Sam says:

    Variants with antibody-resistant mutations are playing an ever-larger role in our highly vaccinated region’s pandemic, according to research by prominent virologist Dr. Charles Chiu.

    https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/08/27/new-ucsf-study-vaccine-resistant-viruses-are-driving-breakthrough-covid-infections

    What will be the response if there are more breakthrough cases? 1,2,3…..Double Down on what’s failed and amp up the fear porn.

    • Deap says:

      Therapeutics and natural immunity …… should have been at the table from the beginning. Just the opposite – both options are still vilified. Which is the oddest red flag of them all.

  4. Le Comte says:

    Why did Americans (not the politicians or military industrial complex) ever care about the Middle East outside of oil and think we would not get drawn into a never ending clusterfk?

  5. Eric Newhill says:

    Nice pic. The mystery of Biden’s instruction and the true force behind the democrats revealed. Came in on one of the tic tacs?

  6. Sam says:

    People who recovered from a bout of Covid-19 during one of the earlier waves of the pandemic appear to have a lower risk of contracting the delta variant than those who got two doses of the vaccine from Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot

    But….if you allow more people to get infected to develop better natural immunity then our hospitals will be overwhelmed and health care will collapse. No. We can’t build surge hospital bed capacity even though that was demonstrated at the Jarvits Center and no one showed up. Sweden doesn’t exist and zero covid deaths over the past few weeks there is not a control group.

    We must have Zero Covid cases. Or else we’re doomed. We are going to build quarantine centers and forcibly incarcerate those that don’t comply with our diktat Aussie Style. You know it is for the Greater Good. Don’t you care about your neighbors?

    We’ll even take your kids away if you get too freedom loving and say My Body, My Choice. That’s only reserved for Us. Like Roe vs Wade can’t ever be reversed.

    https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/cook-county-judge-strips-mother-of-parental-rights-over-vaccination-status

    • Deap says:

      Denmark just opened up too – no vaccine passports, no masks. We want to be just like Scandinavia, right Mr Bernie Sanders?

  7. walrus says:

    Regarding Australia, we have this crazy concept that Americans haven’t heard of called “States Rights”. One of those rights is power over public health.

    That means is a State wants to close its borders for health reasons it can and the Federal Government can do nothing about it. The States of Tasmania, West Australia and South Australia have closed their borders and successfully kept the Covid19 out. If that’s Fascism sign me up.

    The varying styles of lockdown in New South Wales and Victoria will be the subject of detailed public evaluation at the next State elections. In any case, if we decide as citizens that we have had enough we will tell the government what to do in the traditional. Australian manner and there is nothing government can do about it.

    Current public opinion is that vaccination is the way to go but we will see a rise in cases among the un vaxxed when we loosen up restrictions.

    Fascism? No. Heavy handed power mad spoil sports? Perhaps.

    • Fred says:

      Walrus,

      Isolationism worked for the Shoguns for a couple centuries. Good luck. Speaking of vaccinations, from the guy just banned from Twitter (unlike the Taliban ), apparently efficacy is less than promised.
      https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/boost-the-insanity

    • Deap says:

      Maybe the US invented States Rights, and Australia stole it from us – what is the date of your granted states rights, walrus? Ours was 12/15/1791

      Each state has their own public health department, rules, regulations and personnel. Beyond the reach of federal level public health guidance, as SCOTUS just sharply pointed out when the CDC illegally issued a nationwide eviction moratorium as a “public health measure”.

      US Constitution 10th Amendment – States Rights

      Rights Reserved to States or People
      Passed by Congress September 25, 1789. Ratified December 15, 1791. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights

      The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

  8. Ishmael Zechariah says:

    Colonel Lang, Fellow Pilgrims;
    Iran is sending several fuel tankers to Lebanon. The first is reportedly underway.
    https://iranintl.com/en/iran-in-brief/first-iranian-tanker-carrying-fuel-lebanon-departs-tasnim
    Hassan Nasrallah has stated that the tankers are Lebanese territory.
    While Afghanistan and Covid are the main headlines, MENA might also become interesting in the next several days.
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/hezbollahs-nasrallah-announces-third-fuel-tanker-will-sail-to-lebanon-from-iran/
    Pax
    Ishmael Zechariah

  9. jim ticehurst says:

    At Least they wont let …Joseph Lemon Biden kiss a Royal Ring”He would fall over..and Create an International Incident…..Anyone see that…?? Airport I believe….They blamed that on The Donald too..So…Does that Make this cloned Biden Guy…Goofey…??

  10. Deap says:

    Thank you Barbara for this Science article link about natural immunity benefits:

    “Somebody could die”: (1) from covid, (2) from the covid vaccine, or now (3) from a covid exposure party.

    Makes it hard to know which door to choose, when you get the exact same prize. “Someone could die”. I remain unvaxxed in the I hope I get it and get natural immunity, but this will not let me on a cruise ship or even out of my own door in California, if the vaxxers here have their way.

    Science article:
    “What we don’t want people to say is: ‘All right, I should go out and get infected, I should have an infection party.’” says Michel Nussenzweig, an immunologist at Rockefeller University who researches the immune response to SARS-CoV-2 and was not involved in the study. “Because somebody could die.”

  11. Deap says:

    Drone strikes WhiteHouse after Biden vows to kill those responsible ……

    (Babylon Bee- satire)
    https://babylonbee.com/news/biden-drone-strikes-white-house-after-vowing-to-kill-those-reponsible-for-american-military-deaths-at-kabul

  12. Leith says:

    Heavy ongoing clashes between Taliban and Resistance forces reported at Khost Wa Fereng in Baghlan province just north of Panjshir valley. Fighting also at Sanjan in Kapisa province, which is just south of Panjshir and only 80 clicks (50 miles) north of Kabul.

    So is this an inkblot strategy by Mahsood? Kost wa Fereng is reportedly 90% Tajik, but Kapisa is reportedly only 50%. So was it local resistance to Taliban overreach? Or perhaps it was raids by the main resistance forces. Or it’s a distraction to derail the Taliban offensive on Panjshir. All of the above IMHO.

  13. longarch says:

    Marine Lieutenant Colonel Stuart Scheller called out his chain of command for their failure to keep faith with their troops.

    https://redstate.com/streiff/2021/08/27/this-marine-battalion-commander-probably-burned-down-his-career-to-demand-accountability-for-chain-of-command-failures-in-afghanistan-n433726

    The Trump voters of 8kun love this Lt. Col.

    • Barbara Ann says:

      What’s not to love? The man sacrificed his career for his honor, to shame his superiors who would not do likewise. I sincerely hope Scheller plans to run for office.

  14. BillWade says:

    If anyone is interested, here’s a live stream from New Orleans, hurricane should hit around noon EDT:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8OPjFq5cjw

  15. Sam says:

    What COVID has done is expose how many/few strongly view individual freedom both, as a priority and necessary to maintain the type of society we have come to take for granted. The apathy from so many, and the continued willingness to trample on what were considered to be sacrosanct rights by those in power was quite shocking to me. Even though even Aristotle (and many others) spoke of the historical swing back and forth between the extreme bifurcation of wealth in a society, and it always present knock on effects, it is another thing all together to be living through it, and see the acceleration in the trends, and be personally completely bemused by the general sense of lackadaisical malaise by the vast majority as it plays out day by day. All the while sensing the vise like grips of the inevitable are closing.

    https://twitter.com/soclose2me/status/1432090992488894472?s=21

    Historians a century from know will be asking why did a previously free people voluntarily cede their sovereignty to a transnational fascist elite?

  16. Sam says:

    “We need to get used to being vaccinated with covid vaccines for the future “

    https://twitter.com/razorback11111/status/1432161229179539460?s=21

    Aussies gonna get jabbed for a good long time.

    Notice the statements from public health officials from the beginning. First, it was “2 weeks to bend the curve”. Now vaccines for EVAH! Of course tied with mandates. What happens when the virus mutates to breakthrough these leaky vaccines? What will be the next level of authoritarianism then? Left unsaid is the billions of dollars of vaccine revenues for Big Pharma. Who are now taking advantage of the government’s forcing citizens to get Big Pharma’s leaky product by tripling prices. This is classic fascism.

    • Barbara Ann says:

      Sam

      I do not think the term “fascism” is an adequate term to cover the grander plan, it is far bigger than that. Klaus Schwab’s Fourth Industrial Revolution (4IR) envisages everyone, everywhere, eventually having a digital ID. The vaccine passports seem to be a quick way to get bulk populations into the system, as your medical history (the Vaxx) is linked to a unique ID. A next step will be to link a digital currency and digital wallet to your ID. The WEF says as much. Soon you will only be able to pay for things by waving your smartphone at sensors. China is pretty much cashless already and that seems to be the model. Of course social credit points will follow.

      You can already pay for things with facial recognition technologies by having your face scanned. You can already buy NFC chips that go on your fingernail and talk to your phone. The idea is you simply wave your hand at something, rather than your phone. Think about this. Buying and selling things will only be possible via facial recognition or recognition of a chip in your hand. Sound familiar?

      “It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,
      so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name” – Revelation 13:16-17 NIV

      We are in an epochal battle of good vs evil. Evil in this case is as banal as it comes, in the form of a bunch of charismaless billionaires who want total control over everyone and everything. The “mark” is not the Vaxx, it is the digital ID. The “beast” is the bio-technological system of permanent enslavement to our self-appointed technocratic overlords.

      According to the WEF, the 4IR is necessary to prepare for our future world where 90% of people no longer do productive work. No work => no value => no need to keep the useless class around => well, history tells us what’s next. I am no Bible thumper and even without an eerie Old Testament prophesy the whole 4IR scheme should be recognized for what it is; profoundly anti human and evil.

      • Eric Newhill says:

        Barbara Ann,
        Well said. It IS a frightening future into which society is sleep walking. Actually, some – the slothful among us – are both aware of what the future looks like and welcoming of it.

      • Deap says:

        Chase Bank cancelling Michael Flynn’s bank accounts because association with Flynn will cause “repetitional damage” to the bank …..sounds like the start of a “social report card” to me.

      • Fred says:

        Barbara Ann,

        One can scan their chips as they walk by the cafe and make my own copy using thier data. One can also get a mask of their face using a picture downloaded off their FB/TikTok/Instagram. I’m sure that fraud is already happening.

      • blue peacock says:

        Barbara Ann,

        Yes this is the frightening reality we are all marching towards voluntarily with so many believing that “if you’ve got nothing hide, why worry”. It took a revolution, highly intellectual statesmen substantially influenced by the Age of Reason to construct our constitutional framework and the principles it was derived from. The lodestar written by Jefferson that we are endowed by our Creator with inalienable rights is what underpins it all. This is unique in history. No other society – Eastern or Western was foundationally based on this principle. The framers went on to further add enumerated & limited powers for both federal & state governments, noting that all other powers are retained by the people.

        I agree with Sam, history is going to judge the current generations (the past 50+ years) and definitely ask the question why did a people with such a unique legacy hand over voluntarily their sovereignty to a transnational elite?

        Eric – People are not sleep walking. They know what is in store, yet they have crossed the Rubicon.

      • Sam says:

        Barbara Ann,

        Yeah. You make a good point. It is beyond just the merging of Big Business with Big Government. It is like voluntary servitude. The banality of evil well exemplified by a middle class German train conductor keeping the trains with cattle cars loaded with people running on time to Auschwitz. Now we have the urban managerial class managing the digital passport system with all your medical, payment & social credit data linked by a QR code. Screw HIPAA. Screw due process. Screw the raison d’être for the USA!

        You’re gonna love your slavery.

        First, we had the neocons & R2P crowd all for mass surveillance and torture backed by the conservatives and the liberal war hawks. Now we have the woke liberals taking it up several notches with lockdowns, vax passports, hate crimes, etc. The screws are tightening and most Americans are cheering, even demanding totalitarian control. I could very well live to be sent to the Gulag for re-education.

  17. Deap says:

    Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the House in the Legislative branch caught on a hot mike – proving separation of powers in the US government is still alive and well – as she “cancels” POTUS Biden, head of the co-equal Executive branch:

    https://breaking911.com/watch-pelosi-caught-on-hot-mic-saying-we-dont-want-biden-to-talk/

    Hot mike: “No, we don’t want him to talk”.
    Hot mike not to be confused with the former #44 FLOTUS.

  18. longarch says:

    [quote]

    Open Letter from Retired Generals and Admirals
    Regarding Afghanistan
    The retired Flag Officers signing this letter are calling for the resignation and retirement of theSecretary of Defense (SECDEF) and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (CJCS) based on negligence in performing their duties primarily involving events surrounding the disastrouswithdrawal from Afghanistan. The hasty retreat has left initial estimates at ~15,000 Americansstranded in dangerous areas controlled by a brutal enemy along with ~25,000 Afghan citizens whosupported American forces. What should have happened upon learning of the Commander in Chief’s (President Biden’s) plan toquickly withdraw our forces and close the important power projection base Bagram, withoutadequate plans and forces in place to conduct the entire operation in an orderly fashion?As principal military advisors to the CINC/President, the SECDEF and CJCS should haverecommended against this dangerous withdrawal in the strongest possible terms. If they did not do everything within their authority to stop the hasty withdrawal, they should resign. Conversely, if they did do everything within their ability to persuade the CINC/President to not hastily exit the country without ensuring the safety of our citizens and Afghans loyal to America, then they should haveresigned in protest as a matter of conscience and public statement.

    [end quote]

    letter continues at:

    https://img1.wsimg.com/blobby/go/fb7c7bd8-097d-4e2f-8f12-3442d151b57d/downloads/DOD%20Resignation%20Letter%20083021.pdf?ver=1630334079818

    main website:

    https://flagofficers4america.com/

  19. Deap says:

    Autopsies demonstrate early horror stories about “covid” came from over-use of ventilators; not from the “covid” infection itself. We continue to be impacted by this early and erroneous misdiagnosis. Time for truth to replace covid hysteria:

    “Treatment for COVID-19 Improved After Autopsy Results

    ……As Orient points out, there were tens of thousands of patients who died from COVID disease after being placed on ventilators before a small series of 12 autopsies done in Germany showed that most of these patients had blood clots and using a ventilator may have caused more damage.24

    The improvement and treatment modalities for COVID-19 came after patients had been autopsied. Mechanical ventilation can easily damage lung tissue because it forces air into the lungs. Patients with COVID-19 who were ventilated had at best a 50-50 chance of surviving.25

    However, risk analysis being reported indicated this chance of survival was higher than what was being seen clinically. China reported26 of 22 patients on ventilators, 86% of them did not survive the treatment. A British study found two thirds of patients on mechanical ventilation died and a study of 320 mechanically ventilated patients in New York showed 88% of them died…..”

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