“… closed, but not locked …”

The back door

“A teacher who authorities initially believed propped open a door at Robb Elementary School that gunman Salvador Ramos used to enter actually closed the door shut, but it didn’t lock, state police revealed Tuesday.

Investigators say the teacher removed the rock she used to prop the door open, but then closed it when she saw the 18-year-old shooter crash the truck he was driving, said Travis Considine, chief communications officer for the Texas Department of Public Safety.

But the teacher didn’t know the door didn’t lock behind her, Considine said.

“She came back out while on her phone, she heard someone yell, ‘He has a gun!’, she saw him jump the fence and that he had a gun, so she ran back inside,” once she removed the rock, Considine said.

“We did verify she closed the door. The door did not lock. We know that much and now investigators are looking into why it did not lock.”

Ramos shot his grandmother in the face before he stole her truck and crashed it near the school where he shot and killed 19 children and two teachers.”

Comment: IMO the door did not lock because she let it close too gently. Unfortunately, there are probably no local, state or federal statutes that punish stupidity. Perhaps there is one that requires all but the front entrance to be locked. I hope so, because then some level of government can get a piece of her and not the nice way. Salvador Ramos is dead, killed by the hero BP man who rose from a barber’s chair to borrow a shotgun, race to the school and then kill the little bastard.

19 little children and two teachers (not the door lady) died while the local constabulary stood around outside with their thumbs up their butts waiting for someone to come and relieve their fear. For shame. pl’

Door that Salvador Ramos entered was closed but didn’t lock: police (nypost.com)

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26 Responses to “… closed, but not locked …”

  1. Fourth and Long says:

    This politifact piece says Alborado, the BP guy did quite a lot and certainly was heroic, but did not in fact shoot the unspeakably depraved criminal who rather met his fate at the hand of a “tactical unit.” I wonder what the real deal is? They can’t abide that it took an individual named Alborado? Or did Alborado’s actions somehow make him liable under what passes for law thereabouts and they got him off the hook out of sheer embarrassment? Very difficult to trust anything with so many reputations on the line and the media being what it is.


  2. Bill Roche says:

    After 20 years in the publishing I b/c a H.S. school teacher. I spent the next 24 years teaching. Fifteen years ago, as the local union V.P., I attended a meeting over school security and made a few suggestions. After morning entry, to be attended by the Principal and Asst. Principal, and using only the main doors, all students must pass through metal detection machines (BTW, all schools have many doors and students use them all). Students are provided with large full length lockers which are big enough to hold winter coats and every text book imaginable. So, students don’t need to pack huge backpacks home every night, but any backpacks allowed should be clear (they make them) so they can be reviewed upon student entry. BTW, lockers can also hold bombs and should be scanned by school maintenance workers. My school has one road into the H.S. To provide alternate access would require compromise of one of the athletic fields. I thought I passed gas in a crowded theater. The Athletic Director said no. Parents d/n want their kids burdened in the mornings, they really did need those big back packs, and can’t we trust our own children w/o transparent backpacks! The local realtors (I knew who they were) said no, after all, what would it say about housing values if our town’s schools were fortresses. So the Superintendent said no, the Principal agreed w/t super and the Asst. Principal agreed w/t principal. Parents were happy. Although knives, guns, and bombs have not changed, society has.
    We refuse to accept that. Someone sang “If I were a rich man”. If I were I’d send my children to private school. Until communities make their schools safe from crazy people we can expect more disasters. There is always the option of providing education vouchers to all and let parents select safe, quiet, places of learning for their children. Meh, c’mon Roche.

  3. John Minnerath says:

    This brain dead teacher needs the hammer dropped on her.
    What part of ALL entrances must be closed and locked didn’t she understand when she
    Blocked the door open with a rock.

    Then there’s the guy who is chief of the local school district police. Were they actually trained cops? Some how this bozo thought he would take over as IC. And he wasn’t even there. Plus now he’s evidently in hiding. Find this AH and lock him up.

    • Fred says:


      Why did she feel the need to go outside to make a phone call? Who did she call, how long was the call and what was said. How many other times did she leave her students alone in the class room in exactly the same way? How many other teachers were doing the same thing, but just not that day?

  4. I want to make a comment.
    I grew up in the 1950s.
    It was simply unimaginable that such a thing could happen.
    Kids killing kids? Unimaginable.
    Did any analogous thing happen in the 1950s? Correct me if it did.

    Kids were all implicitly part of a team, the kid team, growing up together, not hating each other.
    The view, or at least my view, of other kids was shaped and influenced by some popular TV shows of the 1950s:
    Ozzie and Harriet,
    Father Knows Best.

    All cute and lovable.
    I could say more, but I’ll let it go at that.

    • Pat Lang says:

      The bastard killed his “teammates” and tried to kill his abuela.

    • On second thought, I will say a bit more.
      All this talk that:
      this event shows the need for gun control, or more mental health services, or better identification of potential shooters, or more secure school buildings,
      misses what should be the central point:
      The culture in America has changed,
      tragically and profoundly for the worse.
      From <Ozzie and Harriet to Murphy Brown?
      That way lies disaster for society at large.

      I am sure some, perhaps many, will disagree with that. Go ahead.

      • Fred says:


        Just like in Brazil, it works great!

      • Bill Roche says:

        Glad you said more. I will too. I live in NY. Some can’t understand that NY is not all NYC. Get north of 242nd street and sanity begins. Or at least it used to. In the ’50’s my home town, Yonkers, was a peaceful all-American town. Playing hookey, going fishing down the river instead of going to church, getting in a fight over a stick ball game were the big deals. I can tell you exactly when that changed. It changed in the spring of ’64 when Johnson signed the “War on Poverty” legislation; aka welfare. Within 10 years Yonkers felt the impact. My neighborhood, always desperately poor, b/c poorer (funny huh, War on Poverty yet poorer) and unsafe. Today Yonkers is “catching up” to the Bronx. You can not make the other fella richer by taking his neighbor’s money. You get two poor fellows, one feels abused, the other entitled. Welfare has destroyed the black family. Sprinkle in an ample dose of drugs and all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out. This is screaming in America’s face but no one wants to look. I don’t believe the nation has the political will nor common sense to fix this.

    • Deap says:

      The worst thing I recall from the 1950’s was the kid who shot a couple of his own fingers off playing with fire crackers. But we also had plenty of warnings ahead of time to have a “safe 4th of July”.

      Childhood diseases were our afflictions of choice in those days. That is where the childhood damage got racked up. Falling off our bikes – another biggie.

  5. Fourth and Long says:

    There was investigation of the phenomenon. “The Bad Seed” though classified as horror or thriller it arose from the need to “counsel” parents who had children whose behavior went beyond what was then called “juvenile delinquency.” It’s a very dicey subject. Many parents want to be exonerated for the actions of their offspring. The “bad seed” was a curious and debatable concept. These days we have the “autistic spectrum,” and other concepts. Anyway, terrible things happened like this happened throughout history, but we live in a supremely nihilistic era and our electronic media is 179 degrees out of phase with the Father Knows Best mode of idealisation of family life. Usually the horrific children are identified early simply because they do criminally insane things to other children in childhood. I my self could continue but my lunch has arrived and I am worn out. A worthy topic.


  6. JK/AR says:

    Seems to’ve been a very busy weekend for murderers:


    Sure am happy I chose to move back to rural ARkansas.

    – Curious isn’t it that, which sort of inanimate object was murderously employed, determines the choice of which gets the coverage? –

  7. mcohen says:

    Small town.Everone knows each other.Barber shop centre of talk.He shot his grandmother so bp guy took shotgun,went to school and shot him.Thats it.

    The message

    Guns are good in the hands of the good guy.
    Cops useless.Teacher left stone unturned.

    Was messaging a girl in Germany.?

  8. Fred says:

    First off, shooting back works wonders in stopping these events.

    Some obvious question arise, such as why did the teacher leave a door open? That’s certainly not a smoking area is it? Maybe a designated step outside to make a phone call area? I am pretty sure the answer to those questions is no. Who did she call that day, how long did they talk. How about her text messages.

    Why didn’t the school resource officer have the same master key to rooms the janitor had? Why wasn’t there one in the principal’s office? Isn’t there a key locker in his office? Did the police really wait almost an hour with their heads up thier ***es waiting for the janitor’s keys? They could have gotten a dozen sledge hammers from Home Depot in that amount of time? They should all at a minimum be fired for incompetence.

    • JK/AR says:

      Completely agree Fred.

      Alas, too often our media (and the pols) either ignore that or pretend it out of existence. Shooting back makes all the difference in the world. Unfortunately with, especially “big media” there’s hardly ever any mention of that simple fact and we who recognize it – and find ourselves “debating on the internet” too often find ‘big search’ totally unhelpful to us whom would make the argument.

      A cop nephew, hearing of my complaining of that dearth mere hours ago, sent me a link you might wish to bookmark – very handy if I do say so myself:


      There is though one quite significant *limitation to that list (aside from its not being “comprehensive” as stated) and that is, it’s limited very primarily to, licensed/permitted conceal carriers. And as we well know, there are quite a number of jurisdictions where ‘the powers that be’ make it nigh on impossible to qualify.

      *I’ve only just skimmed it, further study may show examples of individuals where the licensing component wasn’t limiting. Say for example eg, a homeowner minding his or her own business and heard a ruckus outside.

    • JK/AR says:

      And Fred, you included in this your comment of June 1, 6:26pm this:

      “Why didn’t the school resource officer have the same master key to rooms the janitor had?”

      When I first commented with that list I’d remembered reading somewhere that may have been spoken to with the caveat that – so far as I know with certainty I cannot state its a confirmed fact – But insofar as I’m aware the fellow who put it on his blog is a, pardon given the circumstance, a “straight shooter.”

      My problem was when I made the initial comment I wasn’t sure where I’d seen it – since rectified:


      I personally haven’t seen that sourced anywhere else so, grain of salt as they say.

  9. notfakebot says:

    I fault the family more than anyone. They have criminal records, including the grandmother who survived having been shot in the face. This apple doesn’t fall far from their tree. It’s amazing to me they are asking for money through a Go Fund Me.

  10. Condottiere CPP® PSP® says:

    It’s called a “smokers rock” in the physical security pentesting world. Keep an eye out for it. Almost every “secured” building has an exterior door with one. If one is not there just place a rock next to the door crack. Someone will eventually find the convenience and use it regularly 😉

  11. Vince Turner says:

    Wait a minute! Wasn’t it reported that a 4 man stack with a ballistic shield made entry and two of them were the shooters that dropped the scumbag?

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