No! No! Not yet! Keep wearing your masks! No vaccine! No vaccine! Not yet!

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"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said that while it is "good news" that Pfizer has had a recent breakthrough in its coronavirus vaccine clinical trial, he believes it is "bad news" that the Trump administration will get to plan the distribution.

In an interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday, Cuomo said he has spoken to other governors about how they can alter or even block Trump's plan so that President-elect Joe Biden could do it instead."

""Well, it's good news, bad news, George," Cuomo said. "The good news is the Pfizer tests look good and we'll have a vaccine shortly. The bad news is it's about two months before Joe Biden takes over, and that means this administration is going to be implementing a vaccine plan."

""And the Trump administration is rolling out the vaccination plan and I believe it's flawed," Cuomo continued. "I believe it learns nothing from the past. They're basically going to have the private providers do it, and that's going to leave out all sorts of communities that were left out the first time when COVID ravaged them."

Stephanopoulos then asked Cuomo what Biden could do that Trump will not do, and Cuomo immediately went back to discussing his problems with Trump."

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Now, listen up pilgrim cowboys!  Orange man bad!  Did you hear me?  Repeat after me!  Orange man bad!

Now remember, pilgrim cowboys,  Orange man bad!  All you Deplorables!  Shut up and chant!  We are taking names!

Cuomo killed over 5,000 elderly people in nursing homes?  Shhh!  The FBI will be watching for people who say or write thing like that.

"Two legs bad!  Four legs good!"  That's it, keep up the chant.  pl 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cuomo-bad-news-pfizer-coronavirus-vaccine-trump-administration

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32 Responses to No! No! Not yet! Keep wearing your masks! No vaccine! No vaccine! Not yet!

  1. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Il Duce is becoming increasingly more maniacal. I can’t even leave his kingdom without being subjected to interrogation upon return (covid checkpoints on roads into NY state, at airports) and possible quarantine. If I go to look at a home in TX or AZ (where I want to flee to) I can be put into house arrest for 14 days and risk a hefty fine for breaking it.
    At any rate, he is, of course, a lying sack of sh*t. Flu vaccines are distributed every year by both private and public providers. If you can’t afford it, it’s free. Why that model suddenly won’t work escapes me entirely. It is very rare to talk to anyone who actually likes this ass and I always wonder how he gets re-elected. Guess now we know.

  2. Avatar Fred says:

    Wow, being safely unmasked was even shorter this time out than a Biden/antifa rally. On a related “masks off” note it looks like Trump is cleaning house. Esper just got fired.
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325859406349799424

  3. Avatar fakebot says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DC7FDsVPhU

    We’ll follow the old man wherever he wants to go
    Long as he wants to go opposite to the foe
    We’ll stay with the old man wherever he wants to stay
    Long as he stays away from the battle’s fray
    Because we love him, we love him
    Especially when he keeps us on the ball
    And we’ll tell the kiddies we answered duty’s call
    With the grandest son of a soldier of them all

  4. Avatar semiconscious says:

    masks – everything you need to know in 3 minutes:
    https://videopress.com/v/4egEyh2b

  5. Avatar Leith says:

    Any insight into the new acting SecDef Miller. He at one time was CO of 2nd Battalion, 5th SFG. Anyone here ever serve with him?
    https://www.defense.gov/Our-Story/Biographies/Biography/Article/2111192/christopher-c-miller/

  6. Avatar jerseycityjoan says:

    Distributing the initial vaccines will be challenging, period.
    The first two vaccines must be stored at freezing temperatures. The Moderna vaccine around 27 degrees and the Pfizer vaccine around -94. It looks like the Pfizer vaccine will be approved first.
    “Once a provider receives that vaccine, it really starts the clock that the vaccine needs to be administered within five days of when it’s put in the refrigerator,” she said.
    Pfizer’s vaccine is expected to ship in containers with almost 1,000 shots, which worries Howell.
    “The minimum increment of 1,000 doses and figuring out how we can get that to the rural areas is what’s keeping me up at night,” she said. “We’re thinking about the possibility of having to repackage and redistribute that vaccine into smaller quantities.”
    The general in charge of distribution was on 60 Minutes last night. He inspired confidence but he never mentioned that the doses had to be given within 5 days or that they were shipping out in 1,000 dose packages.
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-distribution-storage-financial-needs/#app

  7. Avatar lux says:

    It’s a Pfizer BioNTech cooperation, and they aren’t quite there yet but very, very close.
    Pfizer and BioNTech are continuing to accumulate safety data and currently estimate that a median of two months of safety data following the second (and final) dose of the vaccine candidate – the amount of safety data specified by the FDA in its guidance for potential Emergency Use Authorization – will be available by the third week of November. Additionally, participants will continue to be monitored for long-term protection and safety for an additional two years after their second dose.
    Pfizer:
    https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against
    BioNTech:
    https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-vaccine-candidate-against-covid-19

  8. Avatar Alves says:

    It is good news, but lets not forget that it is a vaccine that did not even get to the end of its 3rd phase testing yet.
    Kind of insane to see political fighting over something that will be available in relatively low numbers late in the year or early next year and those numbers will continue to be low for some time after that.

  9. Avatar Fred says:

    jerseycityjoan,
    Hospitals have both refrigerators and freezers. I’m sure there are plenty of health care professionals who can draw a syringe for the proper dose.

  10. Avatar exiled off mainstreet says:

    This is probably the first time in history that tyrants have attempted to limit the right to breathe (i.e. force you to wear a mask that limits oxygen intake) unless they were actually liquidating victims.

  11. Avatar Polish Janitor says:

    To All,
    With regards to this new Pfizer vaccine breakthrough, I want to pose this question of whether anyone is fully aware if this is a mandatory process or not? I’m a healthy mid 30s male. I am a longtime athlete (Judo and BJJ) and have a very healthy diet, and have not caught the covid-19 bug. I absolutely do not want to put anything in my body, and certainly not any vaccine with no knowledge of what is actually in it. Does anybody think this is going to be a mandatory thing and everybody will going to have to have a health passport of being vaccinated, without which no one will be able to work/travel anywhere?

  12. Avatar Deap says:

    Trump Operation Warp Speed. Thank you President Trump for getting a vaccine so quickly to market, if this current testing is successful.

  13. Avatar Deap says:

    Vagrants up and down California rail road tracks, armies of them, can draw a dose and put a needle in their arms. In fact, they practices this skill daily. Thank Democrats loose drug policies for creating this now necessary job skill.

  14. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Polish Janitor,
    In the pre-COVID world, no one could force you to take anything in the U.S. Travel to other countries depended on those nation’s requirements.
    In the U.S. of today, who know? There have been a hell of a lot of things forced on folks, or that folks were prohibited from doing, and there was zero legal basis for the authorities’ actions. Hell, in some cases, the law specifically forbids things that the government did, and, they did it anyway. Because, well, they could.
    You get to decide if you want to be a citizen or a subject.
    JM Gavin

  15. Avatar Deap says:

    Brilliant question, JM. “Are you a citizen or a subject?”
    Dems declared “personal responsibility” is racist, so we know which way the wind in blowing in Biden Land. Which greatly resembles Californistan.

  16. Avatar Mark Logan says:

    Polish Janitor,
    Unlikely the governments, state or federal, will mandate inoculations. There is too much legal trouble for them. However I think it likely quite a few employers will. I believe the insurance companies will push hard on employers to do so.

  17. Avatar Fred says:

    Mark Logan,
    “Unlikely the governments, state or federal, will mandate inoculations. There is too much legal trouble for them.”
    Many of those state governments just spent months bankrupting small businesses, mandating masks, travel restrictions and quarantines and you say they won’t mandate vaccines? Oh, those centers of capitalism, employers, are going to mandate them? How, as a condition of employment? Based upon what?

  18. Avatar Leith says:

    Pfizer did NOT take a dime of the Warp Speed money. They put their own research bucks into developing their vaccine. Trump had nothing to do with it.

  19. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Leith
    You don’t deny that he put a lot of government research money into COVID research do you?

  20. Avatar Leith says:

    Colonel
    No, I don’t deny it, good on him for signing it. House Resolution 6074 that started the funding for that research money was introduced in Congress by Nita Lowey (D) of New York’s 17th District. And mainlined thru the House by Speaker Nancy.

  21. Avatar Deap says:

    Lieth, please explain the July 22, 2020 Pfizer press release bragging about their partnership with the government and Warp Speed they themselves issued.
    Why lie when Pfizer was too stupid and did not scrub this press release from the internet first? Lies don’t sell well on this forum. Why keep trying?
    File Pfizer in with Elizabeth Holmes – Bad Blood.
    PFIZER AND BIONTECH ANNOUNCE AN AGREEMENT WITH U.S. GOVERNMENT FOR UP TO 600 MILLION DOSES OF MRNA-BASED VACCINE CANDIDATE AGAINST SARS-COV-2
    July 22, 2020
    U.S. government placed an initial order of 100 million doses for $1.95 billion and can acquire up to 500 million additional doses
    Americans to receive the vaccine for free consistent with U.S. government’s commitment for free access for COVID-19 vaccines
    Pfizer and BioNTech remain on track to begin an anticipated Phase 2b/3 safety and efficacy trial later this month, seek regulatory review as early as October 2020, and manufacture globally up to 100 million doses by the end of 2020 and potentially more than 1.3 billion doses by the end of 2021
    NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany–(BUSINESS WIRE)–
    Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021. Under the agreement, the U.S. government will receive 100 million doses of BNT162, the COVID-19 vaccine candidate jointly developed by Pfizer and BioNTech, after Pfizer successfully manufactures and obtains approval or emergency use authorization from U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA).
    This press release features multimedia. View the full release here: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200722005438/en/

  22. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    The 14 days of house arrest that Eric describes, in my case for the crime of traveling overseas (to visit relatives) are precisely my present circumstances. I am finding this experience of the “new normal” an illuminating one and am happy to share it.
    I must serve this mandatory sentence despite being tested negative for the virus upon arrival. In fact the stipulations from the authorities are such that I must also remain physically apart from other members of the household for the duration, so as to keep society “safe”. The absurdity is amplified by the text I receive each morning demanding that I reply “WELL” to confirm that I remain free of viral symptoms. The penalty for not doing so is a visit by covid isolation law enforcement.
    My current circumstances thus remind me of another literary classic and inspire empathy for the fate of Kafka’s Gregor Samsa. The government having effectively decreed my Metamorphosis into vermin so repellent I must be confined to my room, it has been interesting to observe the differing attitudes of my housemates toward my plight. Those worst afflicted by the ‘rona paranoia were happy to support my continue incarceration, but thankfully the head of the household relented after a week and I am now permitted to move freely about the house.
    Hugging family members is presently an act of civil disobedience and my habitual early morning walk illegal – even though I can guarantee not encountering another living soul. I check my pockets beforehand to ensure my phone remains in the house.
    Will all this lunacy go away when the vaccine is rolled out? Given the largely meek response to new authoritarian statutes I am pessimistic that governments will willingly surrender the new level of control over the populace which they now enjoy. I share Polish Janitor’s concerns re the possible imposition of a vaccine passporting system taken up by employers and travel companies. The frog of personal liberties is being boiled.

  23. Avatar Fred says:

    Leith,
    “Trump had nothing to do with it.”
    You mean all those regulatory barriers just disappeared by themselves?

  24. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Leith,
    Is the plan to blame Trump for everything that goes wrong for the next 4-8 years, as people (like you) did with Bush during the Obama years? If anything good results from something Trump did, you’ll deny the goodness, or find some goofy logic that allows you to give someone else the credit?
    JMG

  25. Avatar Polish Janitor says:

    J.M. Gavin, Barbara Ann, Mark Logan,
    I think J.M. Gavin described the situation best. At the end of the day it is boiled down to the dualism of being subject vs being citizen. It is exactly the reason why I asked, because this new government-imposed “health authoritarianism” targets our very livelihoods and survival, let alone free movement or constant observation/surveillance by the government. I have never been an anti-vaxxer, I don’t adhere to certain religious faiths that have restrictive view on vaccines (Hasidic Jews, etc.) and just want to enjoy a normal hassle-free life. All of these vaccines, Moderna, Pfizer, etc. apply the mRNA genetic ‘enhancement’ method instead of just a weak or significantly diminished virus injection into the body. It is literally akin to changing our DNA composition so that our immunity system could fight off the infection more effectively because it is ‘coded’ in our DNA sequence. I don’t allow anyone, and certainly not the government to manipulate my genetic code, because of covid-19 or other incoming diseases, so that it could control me and millions of other easier and better like chattel.
    I honestly believe it must not be mandatory, even to the millions who have already caught it, recovered and are negative now. Everyone must have the freedom to choose what they want to put into their bodies with regards to the covid-19 vaccines, and btw it is not 19th century anymore and people are not dropping like flies from polio, or zika or ebola or whatever. The government must back off (to put it very midly!) and leave me and my family alone. If it boils down to the question of subject vs. citizen I have zero doubt in my mind that I will never surrender my body to the government to do whatever it wants with it.
    If you have told me a year or so ago that something like this was gonna be on the horizon, I would not have even remotely believed it, but here we go. What a terrible year 2020 has been so far! Why can’t these Bolsheviks (or neo-Bolsheviks according to Colonel Lang) leave us be?

  26. Avatar Leith says:

    As I recall many of those regulatory barriers disappeared due to the CARES (Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security) Act. That bill was first introduced as House Resolution 748 by Joe Courtney (D) of Connecticut. And good on Trump for signing that one also.
    Kathrin Jansen, the Pfizer’s VP for vaccine research stated “We were never part of the Warp Speed. We have never taken any money from the U.S. government”. Pfizer was the only major US pharmaceutical to go it alone.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/09/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage
    On the earlier Bill, the Coronavirus Preparedness and Response Supplemental Appropriations Act introduced by Dem Nita Lowey, even Republican Dick Shelby of Alabama blasted Trump for suggesting a lowball $2.3B. They finally settled on almost four times that amount

  27. Avatar Mark K Logan says:

    Fred,
    Condition of employment.

  28. Avatar Deap says:

    What Pfizer has not yet made public: age groups with the testing group. Why did they delay this fuller information in their immediate post-election announcement?
    Typically, drug tests do not include persons over age 65, due to prevalence of confounding co-factors that make it harder to track potential side effects. Additionally, when testing to side effects they only report what they see in predetermined list of effects, with no capacity the observe any other additional; “side effects”.
    Considering the “elderly” are a key at risk group, what will this mean if they were not adequately included in the test groups or excluded from testing for their unique incidence of confounding factors or side effect vulnerabilities?
    This would be similar the touted Russian vaccine tests posted here in the SitRep reports, which stated the Russians were also on the brink of a vaccine breakthrough a few weeks ago. However, their studies indicated their positive results were found only among younger persons who most often are asymptomatic or low symptomatic in the first place with a 99% recovery rate. No older persons were in these Russian trials.
    Pfizer is playing head games right now – caveat emptor. Love to see an end to this “covid” crisis, one way or another. So I welcome a vaccine, herd immunity or evidence in fact it was a political hoax engaged in distorted reporting after all.
    Pfizer does not need to play games with us right now and add to this under-current of political exploitation. But then Pfizer did acquire Wyeth-Ayerst, the biggest flim flam drug operator, in the entire BigPharm stable.
    Just like this 2020 election, why not wait for the facts to be settled first before measuring for new drapes in the Oval Office or a new shelf your home medicine cabinet.

  29. Avatar Leith says:

    JMG –
    I don’t blame Trump for everything. Read my comments again and note that I complimented Trump for signing the two major COVID19 bills that came out of Congress. As for the credit, it is divided; those two relief bills were introduced by Democrats in Congress. And Nancy compromised with McConnell to get them thru the Senate. But if you want to give Trump 100% of the credit, be my guest.
    And I did not blame Bush for everything either. The exception I did blame him for was the Iraq invasion. Even though that was Dead-Eye-Dick Cheney that instigated it, Bush went along with it. Why?
    BTW nice screen name. I heard Jumping Jim used to always jump in the number one position of the first plane of the serial. According to the troops that served under him he never sent a man on a mission that he wouldn’t go on himself, and never took a break unless the men got one too. And he ate the same rations as the soldiers he led. IMO our leadership today (military and civilian) are not fit to shine his shoes.

  30. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Leith,
    Perhaps I misread your meaning, apologies.
    While I am certainly honored to have folks think of General Gavin when they see my screen name…no relation (although it would be awesome to trace my lineage to him). He was the sort of leader that (I think) was common in the past, but extremely rare today. I’m a couple years into retirement now, and the last “great” leader I knew and served with retired a couple of years back (GEN Tony Thomas). Never held his peers in high regard, though.
    In one of these threads (they are all running together), you asked about Chris Miller. I knew him years ago, when he was a mid-grade officer, and thought he was a decent men back then…but who knows what he is like now).
    JMG

  31. Avatar optimax says:

    Biden is amazing. President elect for less than a week and he got us aCovid vaccine and a cheap Covid home test, and he’s a nice person. He likes to sniff the freshly sprung flowers before plucking. Utopia is on the way.

  32. Avatar Fred says:

    Mark,
    You can find doctors to certify you medicaly intolerant of wearing the things. HIPA also requires that your medical conditions be kept confidential by your employer. It will be fun times for managers explaing to SJWs why some people aren’t wearing masks, and even more fun for the lawyers.

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