Open Thread – 1 December, 2020



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  1. Fred says:

    Looks like the latest news on Dominion is that they recieved $400,000,000 from China via cutouts including UBS in Switzerland.
    “SEC filings: The parent company of Dominion Voting Systems received $400 million from an Investment Bank in Switzerland that is 75% owned by the Chinese government.”
    ““UBS Securities is a swiss investment bank which owns 24.99% of UBS Securities Co LTD, a Chinese Investment Bank. The remaining 75% of UBS Securities CO LTD is owned by the Chinese government,” states the report.”
    Oh, and Dominion is busy moving and “Muellerizing” their machines.

  2. Deap says:

    Good bookmark for clear, systematic thinking and analysis of fast moving political events: Sharyl Attkisson:

  3. Deap says:

    Prager U quickly explains The 1619 project and busts its primary mythology:

  4. Deap says:

    The recent Chinese ownership of UBS explains why they build the ugliest possible new bank building in all of Basel, Switzerland. right in the middle in its historic and genteel heart:

  5. BillWade says:

    If we can’t trust the election system I think the only way forward is to declare the Nov3 election null and void and we should have another election day fairly soon without the mail-in ballots. We can’t go on as a united country if half the population doesn’t trust that their votes are counted properly.

  6. james says:

    pat – how do you decide who you are going to ban and who you are going to let speak?? is it just as it looks – if someone has a radically different viewpoint then you, then you are not going to publish it? or?? thanks..

  7. NancyK says:

    It was a fair election and it is not going to be called null and void. We don’t have a unified country. You want to get rid of absentee or mail in ballots, I would like to see the end of the electoral college.

  8. Deap says:

    Why have so many other countries around the world, including virtually all of Europe, prohibited “electronic voting”. We need to talk about this.
    They rejected electronic voting the very same reasons we need to also immediately reject this form of voting – too easy to corrupt, which materially undermines the integrity of elections. What did Europe do, and when did they do it once they discovered their own fatal electronic voting flaws?
    We, the birthplace of modern participatory governance, must do far better than this current quagmire which threatens our very future.

  9. fakebot says:

    Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
    Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they existed, before the 2020 presidential election was certified.

    I like Sidney Powell, but I agree with Tucker Carlson’s criticisms with her claim of machine rigging. They need hard evidence produced in court to change public opinion. I’m not surprised to see Barr make this statement.
    Even if Trump doesn’t continue in office, he can do a lot outside of it. He should continue to dedicate his time to public service, in particular in service to veterans. That is a cause he truly cares about. I think he should also consider undertaking projects to help build parks and recreation facilities in under developed or impoverished areas. Construction has been his life and I think he can do a lot of good that way. He can always run again in four years, but I think he should support the candidacy of someone like Rand Paul instead.

  10. Mary Hanley Hallock says:

    As we enter the Christmas season, feelings of hope and joy should be filling our hearts. Instead, all I am feeling is sadness and dread. My father was a bombardier with the 461st Bomber Group flying out of Italy. During the Battle of the Bulge he was shot down before reaching the oil refineries at Odertal. Captured by the Germans, he was sent to Stalag Luft 1 where he sat until the end of the war. His love for this country shaped our lives. If a candidate was elected who was not his choice, there was always “next time”. We were taught to respect the will of the American people. There was an unquestionable trust in the system. He wouldn’t recognize what we have become and that frightens and saddens me. Blessings to you, Colonel and keep the food coming.

  11. blue peacock says:

    Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.
    It appears that the Trump campaign and others like the Honey Badger are on their own. It doesn’t look like the courts are biting. Yet, anyway.
    What should be Trump’s lessons learned from his term as POTUS? Will he learn it if he runs again in 2024?

  12. Serge says:

    Caught an interesting short segment on PBS last night, about Nagorno Karabakh. Narrated by Simon Ostrovsky(some may remember him from his Vice News Donbass reporting).

  13. turcopolier says:

    nancy K
    You want a unified monolithic state where you California and New York people can rule us all with your disgusting manners and gutter culture. People like you have destroyed Virginia.

  14. turcopolier says:

    YES. I do not willingly provide a platform for leftist scum. Why are you still here?

  15. akaPatience says:

    Well, it sounds like AG Barr is living up to the fears some of us have harbored that he’s a do-nothing placeholder (at best): he gave a presser today saying the DOJ has found no evidence of election fraud that would make a difference in the outcome. AND YET, as each day goes by, there have been alarming reports of testimonies and affidavits signed by eye witnesses to fraud as well as testimonies and affidavits of credible IT analysts who’ve detected digital fraud.
    While I don’t doubt that some of the witnesses may present weak evidence, there have been enough credible reports of serious and widespread fraud to convince me the election was indeed stolen, mainly via digital manipulation of tallies and likely large amounts of fake ballots, both used to boost Biden’s totals. I’m no lawyer but I’d think that destroying evidence infers an acknowledgement of guilt, and there have also been reports of that as well, e.g. signature envelopes for mail-in ballots being discarded in PA and perhaps in MI too (not sure) which prevents fraud detection and accurate auditing.
    Anyway, AG Barr’s sincere-sounding lip service given to the issue of government corruption over the last couple of years rings very hollow now. Many of us suspected it would come to this but nevertheless hoped justice would prevail in the end. It didn’t, and he’s not only failed Trump partisans but failed – miserably – our entire country.

  16. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    More fun and games in Switzerland:
    CIA and BND buy supposedly legit encryption specialist companies, but hide their ownership position.
    China, somewhat stealthily, has major ownership position in supposedly legit bank, UBS.
    Now, wouldn’t it be a lark if the largely Chinese-owned bank’s encryption was via one or the other of the supposedly Swiss encryption specialist companies, secretly owned by the CIA and BND, and was instead designed precisely to undermine the security of encryption?
    Spy vs. Spy lives.

  17. BillWade says:

    NancyK, If you don’t understand the reason for an electoral college there’s really no need for you to post your opinions or to even think about anything.

  18. Laura Wilson says:

    fakebot — Have you been observing a different man than the rest of us? I don’t think anyone (who either approves of or disapproves of Trump) sees him becoming like Jimmy Carter and devoting the next few years to building parks or helping veterans or devoting himself to doing good. He has never done either as a private citizen…why start now? He isn’t that guy.
    “Even if Trump doesn’t continue in office, he can do a lot outside of it. He should continue to dedicate his time to public service, in particular in service to veterans. That is a cause he truly cares about. I think he should also consider undertaking projects to help build parks and recreation facilities in under developed or impoverished areas. Construction has been his life and I think he can do a lot of good that way.”

  19. JerseyJeffersonian says:

    Of course, since the CIA, & likely the BND, are largly on the same side with the Chinese and their purported hirelings at Dominion in corrupting the US Presidential election, any snooping they might have had in place might mostly be out of interest in knowing what exactly the other ratfuckers are up to, so as not to be taken unawares, or to be outflanked.
    In short, I do not think that these intelligence services work in the interest of western republics; rather, they work their own interests, and/or work for other transnational actors. They ain’t working for the citizens of these western republics, for sure.

  20. blue peacock says:

    However much you may dislike the electoral college and prefer that a handful of large cities elect a president, you know it ain’t happening in your lifetime. Note that in the 2020 election the Republicans did not lose a single incumbent seat in the House and in fact gained double digits, including in California. They also did not lose any state house where they have the majority. Interesting factoid, when Trump was not on the ballot in 2018 the GOP lost big in the House. In 2020 with him on the ballot they did well beyond the fake polls. But for some reason that appears strange at first glance Atlanta, Detroit, Philly, Phoenix & Milwaukee turned in extra ballots that gave Biden victory in those states.
    You should be happy that the big city wokesters & globalists have fully captured the corporate media including Big Tech and many of the beltway think tanks. And the corporatists, many masquerading as strict constructionists have been nominated to the federal judiciary by the Republicans.

  21. longarch says:

    A great many news sources claim that the election was rigged. The following link has thirteen major claims to that effect.
    Many right-wingers are speculating about whether military tribunals will be used to convict traitors. I do not know how realistic such speculations are.
    I guess that about two-thirds of USA citizens believe the election was unjust and dishonest. (That is a scientific wild-ass guess, not a calculation.) However, I estimate that this two-thirds includes most of the Americans who do difficult and necessary jobs, such as driving 18-wheelers full of food into cities.
    This two-thirds could cause a grass-roots crisis even if POTUS does not want them to. If the truckers decided to stop delivering food to Detroit for three days, the gangs of Detroit would attempt to plunder food from honest people. Under such circumstances, martial law would seem desirable to many.
    POTUS and his supporters have known for many years that frustrated right-wingers could force this type of crisis. POTUS has had years to wargame the possibilities and contingencies. Therefore I assume that POTUS has a plan to minimize the probability of grass-roots crisis. But if such plans fail, any time up to 20 Jan 2021, POTUS is Commander-in-Chief. Military tribunals and martial law are theoretically among his legal powers.

  22. Leith says:

    Fox News just settled their lawsuit with Joel & Mary Rich and is paying millions of dollars over Fox’s bogus conspiracy about Seth Rich.

  23. J says:

    Nancy K,
    Get rid of the Electoral College? NEVER!
    It’s the only thing keeping U.S. from capsizing completely.

  24. Martin Oline says:

    Not a lot to feel good about this year but this news has made me very happy:

  25. John Merryman says:

    The irony is that good old multicultural liberalism has mutated into this viral, identitarian, monocultural fanaticism, that is antithetical to any broad minded understanding of society, essential to those of us who used to consider ourselves liberal.
    It has certainly been interesting to watch and to know those who seek to cancel history will be condemned to repeat it.
    What goes round, comes round.

  26. tpcelt says:

    Re SCOTUS & Barr,
    1) To accept a case of this magnitude and make a meaningful decision, SCOTUS will not want to issue an opinion on ethereal legal arguments. They will want to see lower court records that lay out and document the facts alleged by the various parties. That is what SCOTUS requires, evaluating legal arguments in the context of lower court decisions about alleged facts. Hence, the flurry of court filings which, even if rulings are against the plaintiffs,are establishing lower court records for appellate consideration.
    2) If I read Barr’s statement correctly, it seems that he’s saying that he’s against using the criminal process to resolve every dispute, but he’s not ruling it out entirely here if there’s meaningful evidence of criminal fraud. This could be very smart and wholly appropriate for the AG. If federal constitutional issues come before SCOTUS, it will be virtually certain for the Court to pro-actively ask (as it is allowed to do) for a brief from the US government. That brief & oral argument would be presented by the US Solicitor General, who works for Barr. By staying out of the fray now, the US government’s position, regardless of what it is, will give it more credibility before the Court. To date, Barr’s actions seem to be those of a very politically savvy guy who ultimately wants to see the rule of law prevail.

  27. Horace says:

    @Mary Hanley Hallock
    ” … respect the will of the American people.”
    There lies the root of the problem. The Historic American People are a people like the British or the Swiss, a collection of nations with overlapping shared culture, religion, and mores. Most of the individuals who live inside the borders of our country merely share an imploding economy and nothing more. There is no collective will.
    What we real Americans want and what the post-Americans want are two separate and utterly incompatible visions of social, political, and economic organization. There can only be one. Thus, there will be war.
    Diversity was never a strength to anyone other than the globalist oligarch importing the divide for divide and rule.

  28. Diana L Croissant says:

    One thing that we need to do is realize that our country as it was founded is a FEDERAL Government, I am confident that many people in large more densely populated states in our union almost naturally gravitate toward the idea of using the popular vote as the sole way for determining the outcome of elections.
    However, those of us in less populated states, states with more rural towns with their own particular problems to solve should completely support the Federal system of the Electoral College. Where I live, I would be an idiot to support an election of the President based only on popular vote. I certainly don’t have the same problems as the citizens of large overcrowded cities, and they do not understand what sort of problems we deal with.
    The Founders did a smart thing by instituting the Electoral College system.
    Our government teachers should be explaining this more carefully to their students. If the Electoral College system were abandoned, there would be no reason for me to take the time to vote on many national issues. My vote in my small town surrounded by farms and open spaces would seem to me just a treat of some sort to make us feel better about the fact that New Yorkers and denizens of DC and of the large overcrowded cities in the East and West coast know better than we do about what we want our elected officials to concern themselves about when they make decisions.

  29. Horace says:

    The FBI not finding voting fraud is like the drunk not finding his missing car keys under the street lamp at night. They didn’t find Brenda Snipe’s vote fraud in Broward Country for FIFTEEN YEARS (neither did the FL Republican Party).
    Why not? They didn’t look. Why didn’t they look? Because crimefighting is not their primary mission. The FBI have returned to being what they started out as: political police. They did manage to send 15 agents to investigate the NASCAR loop of rope being used as a garage door opener. Why did they do that? Because it serves the agitprop political interests of their masters.
    We can only hope that Homeland Security has some able people personnel willing to defend the republic because we can be sure nothing good will come out of our utterly corrupt Department of ‘Justice’. Personnel is policy. Even if Barr were as pure as driven snow, and I don’t make that assumption, systemic corruption hamstrings missions overwhelmingly not supported by senior and middle management.

  30. TonyL says:

    I’m not a “leftist” (as least, I don’t think of myself that way). I might have used harsh language when I am frustrated, but no offense intended to anybody. May I comment again?

  31. Jimmy_W says:

    Have you seen this rumor that Gina Haspel is dead already?

  32. Deap says:

    Chilling testimony and video presented documenting GOP poll watcher harassment by county election staff and cheening when they were able to kick the poll workers out.
    No one can claim this was a “fair and honest election”. It was not, and the deep state swamp made sure it was not. It was rot:

  33. Deap says:

    longarch provides the following as “truth”, even though CROWDSTRIKE itself refused to reach this ersatz Mueller Report conclusion:
    In fact, Fox News retracted the story after eight days and special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation declared the claims about (Seth) Rich were false, concluding — along with the U.S. intelligence community and the FBI — that it was Russian military intelligence agents who had hacked the DNC and passed the party’s emails to WikiLeaks through an online persona called Guccifer 2.0.
    Democrat handmaidens are jumping into historical revisionism way too early and are setting up traps for themselves. And never use the label “right-wingers” referring to those who posts here. There is now solid alternative news to fake news. And it intends to keep your feet to the fire, longreach.

  34. longarch says:

    I seem to have written:

    The following link has thirteen major claims to that effect.

    I don’t think I presented anything as “truth” to be accepted without skepticism. I presented claims that I considered worthy of attention. Claims are not proofs.
    And never use the label “right-wingers” referring to those who posts here.
    I used “right-winger” to refer to people who might cause a grass-roots crisis; I did not imply that their cause would lack justice. Also, I did not imply that the people who post here might cause a grass-roots crisis. Regardless, I did not use “right-winger” as a slur. I do not know of any authoritative source that lists “right-winger” as a term of abuse, and therefore I conclude that Deap is seeing an insult where none was written. If “right-winger” is indeed a term of abuse, I can correct my terminology.
    There is now solid alternative news to fake news. And it intends to keep your feet to the fire
    Nothing would make me happier than to see that alternative news sources had rendered my comments unnecessary. Thus far, I can point to several promising sources, such as:
    and so on. I am not sure whether Deap regards those sources as agreeable.

  35. PRC90 says:

    tpcelt, thanks, over what time interval do you see the lower courts producing rulings and the appeal cases being taken to the SCOTUS, and how critical will be the USG’s support or (eventual ?) opposition ?

  36. JohninMK says:

    Martin Oline,
    That news re the SC is a double edged sword. As pointed out on the CTH, now up and running again, it almost certainly stops Trump from declassifying data about the events of 2015/6/7. Whilst allowing the whole thing to be neatly buried if Biden wins.
    On balance its not good news.
    I suspect that when Barr leaves the job his ‘pensions’ and other payments from various sources for a job well done are going to be very large.

  37. Fourth and Long says:

    Covid found world-wide since September 2019:
    My personal research long ago indicated that this might have been true but I hesitated to mention it – but now it’s out there.

  38. ked says:

    I guess everyone’s in on it.
    When the mob goes after some bureaucrat’s wife & a temp worker, ya gotch yer kracken pie. I hope everyone is satisfied w/ how good it tastes when collateral damage gets deadly. Trumpistas have been well-indoctrinated not to aim their ire more accurately – for instance, towards the GOP candidates for GA’s senators.
    Sad days for the the Experiment, when the fight over who gets to run it ruins it.

  39. fakebot says:

    It’s the same man:
    The president should go back to doing things like depicted in the videos above.
    The president has a lot of power. He can create a commission through executive order for the purpose of investigating election fraud if he really wants. He needs to get his legal teams to put cases before the court and provide evidence before a judge. He doesn’t necessarily need the FBI or AG Barr to prove election fraud. He’s not completely hapless, but I do think he is poorly served.

  40. NancyK says:

    Of course I know the electoral college is not going anywhere but neither is absentee or mail in voting.
    As far as being rude, I am actually very polite and well mannered and even cultured I might add. I also know when I am no longer wanted and will say good by to you all.

  41. Leith says:

    Nancy K –
    Don’t go. Many here will miss your comments. I kind of agree with both Colonel Lang AND you regarding the electoral college. It should not be done away with. On the other hand there is much improvement that can be made. Perhaps many states should follow the lead of Nebraska and Maine and apportion their electors by their congressional districts. And perhaps some states should also adopt a ranked choice voting system that the great state of Maine already does.

  42. fakebot says:

    Christmas Star coming Dec 21st in a way not seen in nearly 800 years!
    The two largest planets in the solar system, Jupiter and Saturn, have fascinated astronomers for hundreds of years. But the two gas giants will do something next month not seen since the Middle Ages — they will look like a double planet.
    The rare occurrence will happen after sunset on Dec. 21, 2020, the start of the winter solstice.
    “Alignments between these two planets are rather rare, occurring once every 20 years or so, but this conjunction is exceptionally rare because of how close the planets will appear to one another,” said Rice University astronomer Patrick Hartigan in a statement. “You’d have to go all the way back to just before dawn on March 4, 1226, to see a closer alignment between these objects visible in the night sky.”

  43. Fred says:

    I see the Digital Iron Curtain has taken off as a descriptor. GCHQ is now in the game:
    Can’t wait to see who Biden’s Minester of Hate will be to help stamp out all that ‘hate speech’.

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