Yesterday’s Congressional hearings on UAPs

Juicy elements ducked, and plenty of questions remain

“We are not bringing little green men or flying saucers into the hearing. Sorry to disappoint y’all,” opened Republican Congressman Tim Burchett of Tennessee at the start of this hearing in his distinctive southern drawl. And that’s how it turned out. The committee heard about numerous sightings of UAPs or UFOs – which the three witnesses described as very much “routine”.

But David Grusch ducked some of the potentially juiciest elements of the hearing, saying they couldn’t be discussed in a public setting. The former intelligence officer was asked if the US government has had communication with “extra-terrestrials”. He said he couldn’t talk about that. He was asked if anyone had been murdered in an effort by the government to cover up information about UAPS and UFOs. Again, he said he couldn’t comment. He said he hadn’t seen any of the alien craft he believes the US government has in storage with his own eyes, but said 40 witnesses he had spoken to had assured him them they do exist.

In a throwback to former US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, there was plenty of talk in this hearing of “known unknowns” and “unknown unknowns”. But after more than two and half hours of testimony, it’s probably fair to say exactly what is now known that was previously unknown, is not known.

What we learned from this hearing:

There was no true bombshell revelation in this hearing. But some important things did happen. Congress is openly acknowledging a commitment to investigate UAPs, after years of lawmakers interested in the subject largely conducted their efforts in private.

The witnesses called for a reporting system for pilots who witness UAP incidents, as well as protections for pilots or whistleblowers who come forward. Members of Congress have been open to creating such a programme as a result of the hearing.

Lawmakers are attempting to open up new avenues to investigate UAPs. Several attempted to get information on the record about which members of the government would know about UAPs, where reports may have been filed, and whether or not Congress might have missed information provided to them.

While witnesses like David Grusch said much of that information was classified, he offered to provide that information confidentially to Congress in a secure setting. If he does so, it could open up new avenues of investigation for lawmakers. Grusch also told lawmakers that “non human” biologics had been recovered by the government, but he had never seen an alien body.

Commander David Fravor (Ret.) recounted his own experience with a UAP, and the witness described already public videos of UAPs released by the New York Times in 2017. All three witnesses acknowledged that the UAPs were a potential national security threat.

Comment: This is part of the BBC’s extensive coverage of yesterday’s Congressional hearing . The witnesses testified under oath. At an absolute minimum, I believe the witnesses told the truth as they saw it. What they will tell the committee in a classified setting will undoubtedly be even more interesting. I doubt this committee will let this go or be intimidated to stop investigating by whoever’s trying to keep this from the public. At some point we, the people, or our elected representatives must face off against the gatekeepers. This is just the beginning of the hunt.

Back in the late 90s, I was sent to Fort Hood as a script writer for a CENTCOM missile defense exercise. We were off on some desolate corner of the post with magnificent views except for the line of porta-johns that blew over during several storms. From day one, I was focused on visiting the UFO museum at Roswell. I plotted my route through the Mescalero Apache Indian Reservation and patiently waited for a free day to make the pilgrimage. At one point I watched two Hind helicopters fly low level through the Hondo River Valley. It was an eerie sight even though I knew I didn’t have to duck for cover this time. I also gave an Apache couple a ride to their community center in the face of an approaching thunderstorm. He looked like Danny Trejo, only scarier. But he was appreciative for the ride

I spent a good amount of time at the museum, but the highlight was a discussion over coffee with Glenn Dennis, the funeral home technician on that day in Roswell when strange things were happening at the Army Air Field. His story is well known by anyone interested in the Roswell UFO incident, along with the controversies concerning his story. I only recently returned to the states after six years of field case officer work. I considered myself good at judging peoples’ veracity. I believed he was telling the truth or at least what he believed was the truth.

Anyway, maybe it’s time to watch The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai across the 8th Dimension. This time, take notes.

The full video of the hearing is posted below. The hearing gets underway at the 18 minute mark. David Grusch appears just as sincere as Glenn Dennis did during our conversation. I have no reason to believe Grusch or Dennis were making things up be it intentionally or unintentionally.

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41 Responses to Yesterday’s Congressional hearings on UAPs

  1. leith says:

    Nice pic on the Alien Caffeine Espresso Bar. Much of the early sightings in this country started around Roswell in the 1930s.

    Coincidently, Roswell was where Professor Robert Goddard who ushered in the Space Age was launching rockets in the early 1930s. No UAPs there or UFOs, just Goddard shooting off rockets. He ended up in Roswell because the good citizens of Worcester MA kicked him out as they thought his 1920 era rockets were causing local cows to stop giving milk.

    Goddard does not have much name recognition. But his theories and early writings were studied by a German prof, Oberth, who later taught Werner von Braun. And by a Russian prof, Tsiolkovsky, whose works later inspired the father of the Soviet Space Age, Sergei Korolev.

    • TTG says:


      There’s a small tribute to Goddard on the old range side of the former Fort Devens. Right after pissing off the neighbors around Worchester, he moved his launchings north to Devens for a while. As I remember, there’s a replica of one of his small launch towers, a small metal framework and a bronze plaque. I remember rucking past it many times.

      • F&L says:


        He was a French movie maker. Jean-Luc Godard. Notice that Godard rhymes with Picard as in Jean Luc Picard, bald genie Captain on the Star Trek franchise series? Is it getting plain as day yet? And Godard the film maker – one of his most famous films was Alphaville, a city which features Enrico Fermi boulevard and Oppenheimer place. Does anyone see a reference to God? Think about it – two Apostles, Jean and Luc, followed by God? The theocratic military state.

    • Mark Logan says:


      1947 was the year it kicked off, at Mt Rainier, and by a fairly credible pilot.

      This was the first sighting of what would become the Foo Fighter accounts.

      As an aside, that C46 was found, crashed on the south Tahoma glacier, and to this day the entire glacier is closed to all climbing and visitation because of it. Designated a national monument due to the un-recovered bodies of the victims. Buried by snow before anyone could get up there and as glaciers go it’s a fast-mover, steep and covered with cravases. I suspect the park service was happy, even eager, to see it closed.

      I suspect we are being visited periodically, but they don’t want to hang around…

  2. F&L says:

    A 3D unit cube (sides = 1 unit) has
    Volume V = 1x1x1 = 1 (cubic unit).
    And Space diagonal length d = squareRootOf 3 = 1.73..

    An 8D cube also has V = 1 (octovolumetric or octocube unit) – but it’s
    Space Diagonal = squareRootOf 8 = 2.828..

    Suggestion – examine Unit Spheres in dimensions 3, 4, .. 8 as to diagonals and Volumes.
    Uh oh. They don’t have diagonals, they have radii. And the radius of a Unit Sphere in any number of dimensions is the same. R = 1. Volume is another matter. Involves pi.

    Reason? Congress sits below a hemisphere – see photos of Capitol building. We can divide the Spherical results by 2. Then measure the quantity of (hot) air inside the building. From that we will know how higher dimensional or not the Congressional representatives are, and we can estimate likelihoods of higher dimensional (alien) visitations. Benefits? Good question, but at least it will save huge quantities of money because the Pentagon needn’t be involved.

  3. F&L says:

    Regarding higher dimensional spheres. (The droll terminology of the academicians has them as N-Balls. No further comment).
    Volume of an N dimensional Sphere or N Ball. Note that this will give us precious knowledge of the magic 8-Ball.

    For simplicity skip to section “Formulas” and remember R = 1 for unit Sphere regardless of N. So all the R to the 2nd, 3rd etc and higher powers = 1, since 1 raised to any exponent is 1 (the units change though from 1 linear unit for N=1, to cubic snd hypercubic units. They all multiply out to R^N = 1.

    Now scan down the list, remembering the R terms are all 1 so they can be ignored, since
    1 x Anything = Anything. (The same Anything as on the left, not any Anything).

    Do you notice something? Exactly. It’s quite possible that we were attacked from the 13th dimension on September 9th, 2001.

    Because the Volume of a 13 dimensional unit sphere is .911

    Well? No one accepts the mainstream explanations, right? And it was a very unlucky day.

  4. jld says:

    To cut short of explanations: If it’s on the BBC it’s a lie. 😀

  5. jim ticehurst.. says:

    Yes….Non Human Organics…Bugs With Brains….But They Are Not Logical
    …They were Defectors…As soon as They Saw the Cosmic Light.. after Inhaling the Smoke From a Giant Mushroom Cloud…So Now…They Tend to Malfunction Alot…Crash into things..Fall Over.. And the Know…Have to Blow the Whistle.. IMO

  6. babelthuap says:

    Over 10 billion smartphones on the planet. Not one confirmed legit video out there. All I need to know.

    • TTG says:


      I think that’s a point offered by Neil deGrasse Tyson and it’s a good point. Any photographic, video or even radar evidence is never good enough to be definitive. Given the advances made in our recording devices, there hasn’t been a corresponding increase in quality evidence. I think there ought to be more attention paid to the phenomena of remote viewing and shamanic ecstasy in humans and other earthly creatures. “So long and thanks for all the fish.”

      • F&L says:

        Amamu Baraka, writing then as Leroi Jones in his Preface to a Ten Thousand Page Suicide Note, describes an alien ship landing during the Newark race riots of the sixties. They were 9 ft tall with super skinny metallic legs and strange tiny heads with antennas. The New Jersey State Police apprehended them in the ruins of a looted record store and interrogated them. Turned out they had intercepted earthling jazz music in the radio spectrum and came down to check it out. When taken into custody they were found browsing through the Art Blakey records.

    • F&L says:

      Precisely. And at least 18 billion lunatics, with over 50% in Congress.

    • Barbara Ann says:


      All I need to know is that 1 laptop has mysteriously disappeared into the news cycle twilight zone. Seems it was abducted by aliens.

      • TTG says:

        Barbara Ann,

        People can only take so many Hunter Biden dick pics.

      • babelthuap says:

        The State can’t arrest the state. Hunter could shoot a child and dump the body on an ant pile. Nothing can be done about these things. If anyone tried they will also get shot and dumped on an ant pile…meh. Or, they will get their life ruined which is even worse.

        Nothing can be done. Voting is not an option. Could try revolting if you like getting arrested. Only other option is 1776 but that is really really messy and nobody wants that. Lots of people die and for what? I’m not dying over Hunter and Joe.

  7. Take a look at the first minute of this video:

    Is that James Clapper sitting in the first row behind Graves (and also behind Grusch).
    Location, location.
    Whoever it is, he has to be a VIP to get that seat.
    Hopefully one of you can answer that question.

    If it is Clapper, that is very suggestive.
    Why would an 82-year-old retired Air Force general attend a congressional hearing unless he had an intense interest in the subject?
    After all, he could watch it on television or later at YouTube.

    Clapper once headed the NGA for which Grusch worked, and also is a former Director of National Intelligence.
    (And note that Grusch accused higher-ups among his previous employers of being responsible for the retaliation he says he was subjected to.
    When I listen to the hearing again I will post a link to where he says that.)

    If the USG has been covering up its knowledge of UAP for decades, it seems very likely to me
    that Clapper, with those jobs, would have been well aware of what was going on.

    I just can’t imagine an 82-year-old attending that hearing (with all the 30-something types)
    unless he had a real thirst to be there.
    Highly suggestive, to me, that Clapper was instrumental in whatever was going on.

    • TTG says:

      Keith Harbaugh,

      No, it doesn’t look like Clapper to me. Similar, though. You’re not the only once suggesting it was Clapper.

    • F&L says:

      Thanks Keith. You just earned the congressional medal of honor and most likely two Nobel prizes. Peace, for preventing a nuclear war which would destroy life on earth as we know it. And Medicine – for curing an unfolding world epidemic of hysterical psychosis. Because by detecting old Baldy back there smiling in his suit, yes, USAF General Clapper – him, you’ve provided me with the final clue with which to unravel this ongoing comedy show cum Hoax.

      They are promoting the Flying Saucer Hoax (FLYISH) so that when guess who – the USAF, who else (?), nuke Russia all of a sudden straight out of the blue .. they can say it weren’t us, no siree, it was them aliens we all been so kind to warrin you about, yes us, the military, and it’s Congress’s fault, not ours that no one listened enough so that we (who else) could have intervened after being allowed to share our “top-secret” data hoard with the proper corporations and their scientists & engineers. They will coveryly publish various cover stories as to how experts have yet to determine if the aliens hit the Russkies with their own super advanced weapon systems, or if they hacked our defense computer networks which we thought were safe and launched our missiles by seizing control of the SSBNs, SAC bomber command and Rocky Mountain Silos. Clever, Gen Clapper. Just not clever enough. Ha.

  8. jim ticehurst.. says:

    Remote Viewing is Now Done By Drones…X Men..Spider Men..and Drug Addicts…

    All The Good ..C lear Government Photos…Fill The Basements of Vaults Never Even Talked About….Even The Vatican….And they play War Games with Our Own HD Orbs..
    and Tease Our NAVY Pilots…and BS The Tax Payers..and Congress..The GAME..

    • TTG says:

      jim ticehurst,

      The government is not alone in having improved photo and video capability. Seems most of the world is now walking around with some pretty capable photo and video capabilities on them all the time.

      • F&L says:

        You’re aware that Automatic Transmission fluid fumes are toxic and are used by low life drug addicts to get high, right? Especially near highway intersections and truckstops because when sniffed with 16-Wheeler Rig’s special brake fluid it causes the truckdrivers to pay the lady drug addicts more who flag them down for a quick fix. I hope you cleaned up or at least aren’t walking around near the stuff regularly.

        • TTG says:


          I wasn’t aware of any special toxicity, but at $24 a liter, I was pretty careful not to splash it about. I used Pentosin ATF-1 fully synthetic, disposed of the old fluid at the Quantico auto craft shop and threw out the cardboard I always use under the car when I work on it. The stuff smelled terrible. The transmission works so well now, I don’t plan on doing this again for at least another 40,000 miles. I might be dead before that.

  9. jim ticehurst.. says:

    Ah TTG…Yes.. Indeed…The American UFO Photos go up often…Google UFO Images..remarkable ..The Types…and Images…Even the Nazi look alikes..With Genetic Altered Biological Pilots..But..No Blue Book Confirms.
    .All Black Book.Denials.back to
    the 1930s and 1940s…Eh…Army Air Corps..Making Tin Foil Hats for Folks..And Keeping Secrets…Really…From The World…?/

    Too Bad They Didnt Run our Fision Programs too…What…? No One Drinking 4 oz Gin Martinis all Nite With Russian Spys…??
    So…We took Fiber Optics…Transistors…Into Industrial Labs…Chip..Bang Boom..
    Bill Gates…Presto…AI….and NO UFOs…Just Insults of Real Intelligence..and Organic Data Processing…Without the 4 oz Gin…or LSD..And Tim Leary..Looking In..

    • F&L says:

      They’re pushing this much harder and longer lately. They’re up to no good. Once this becomes accepted widely enough they can invent any fiction to justify any disaster – planned and executed with forethought which they need to bail out of or otherwise which they decide that by attributing random and natural things to Aliens they (authority) gains more power. They’re bringing fairies, elves and spirits back to life – propitiations may be ordered up. Aliens steal our AI secrets and sell it to an enemy but everyone’s automatically off the hook because as everyone knows , Aliens are more advanced, have wizard tech or abilities and secret resources etc so what can big brother do? I outlined above how Aliens can be weaponized if the public believes this nonsense. They can for example get off the hook for the pandemic & shots because it involved alien trickery – climate change? The Aliens showed earth scientists the correct calculations and data sets from other planetary systems that the Aliens know all about. And based on what their writers say the Alien info says is highly likely correct course of action then .. a) b) c) .. – anything they want to do or ignore.

  10. Fred says:

    I wonder if anyone on the Hill can explain this unidentified object:

  11. low information voter says:

    Everyone should read “The Talk Talked Between Worms” by the great New Mexico writer Lee K Abbott

    • TTG says:

      From a review of Abbott’s writings:

      “The Talk Talked Between Worms” tells of how, in the summer of 1947, a man witnessed the crash of a UFO near Roswell, NM, and came upon dead alien bodies. That encounter resulted in his departing forever from the anodyne life he had led: he ends up in mental institutions for the rest of his life. His sad tale is told by a narrator who is his son. Narratives of fathers and sons loom large in this collection.

    • F&L says:

      Lucian of Samosata – A True Story
      Novels like that are older than the hill(s). They even call themselves A True Story. When your source was written the world had just emerged from WW2 and use of atom bombs. Unemployed propaganda writers, very talented ones, abounded. Hysteria due to the cold war & the atom was everywhere. Sightings of UFOs were epidemic. Writers need to eat.

    • F&L says:

      Leek Abbott. Leak About? The smart guys of that era were priceless.

  12. ked says:

    to better appreciate the span of thought concerning UFO’s, it may help to look back a bit. Jung’s work on the topic is a good point of entry, & departure. a summary, via google books, of his Flying Saucers : A Modern Myth of Things Seen in the Sky…

    “Written in the late 1950s at the height of popular fascination with UFO’s, Flying Saucers is the great psychologist’s brilliantly prescient meditation on the phenomenon that gripped the world. A self-confessed sceptic in such matters, Jung was nevertheless intrigued, not so much by their reality or unreality, but by their psychic aspect. He saw flying saucers as a modern myth in the making, to be passed down the generations just as we have received such myths from our ancestors. In this wonderful and enlightening book Jung sees UFO’s as ‘visionary rumours’, the centre of a quasi-religious cult and carriers of our technological and salvationist fantasies. 40 years later, with entire religions based on the writings of science fiction authors, it is remarkable to see just how right he has proved to be.”

    a more recent treatment;

    I suppose our many present crises have become so exhausting that embracing alien overlords is comforting… like normal adult supervision.

  13. Lars says:

    I used to be an alien. I even had an alien number, but then I was rescued by George W. Bush, who made me a US citizen. I did meet other aliens, but except in a few cases, they did not seem to have arrived from Space. On the other hand, I have also met some US citizens whose origin appears to be questionable.

    This developing story has the potential to become interesting.

  14. different clue says:

    I sometimes feel like the earth is a prison planet for various convicts from this part of space, or this sector of the galaxy, or however one wants to say that. These convicts are sentenced to life in human form without parole here on Prison Planet TerraLuna Prime. Some of these convicts may be here after a kangaroo railroading of some sort on their home worlds.

    Sometimes ( not often) , I “feel like” I might be one of the unjustly-convicted-and-sentenced sent here from some other place.

  15. About compartmentation:

    First, my experience with it in the 1970s.
    My boss at the time said to me:
    “Keith, we have a project we want you to work on.
    To do that you will need to be read on to compartment X (not its real ID).”
    (Note: I was already cleared at the TS/SI level.)
    So he arranged for me to be read onto that compartment.
    The point is: knowledge of what compartments existed, and who was granted access to them, was made above my level.

    Now let’s see what Mr. Grusch wrote in his opening statement to the 7/26 hearing:

    In 2019, the UAPTF director tasked me to identify
    all Special Access Programs & Controlled Access Programs (SAPs/CAPs) we needed to satisfy our congressionally mandated mission.

    At the time, due to my extensive executive-level intelligence support duties,
    I was cleared to literally all relevant compartments and in a position of extreme trust in both my military and civilian capacities.

    I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse engineering program
    to which I was denied access to those additional read-on’s.

    I’ll let it go at that.
    I just thought this was interesting.

    • TTG says:

      Keith Harbaugh,

      Yes, the existence of a program prepared to retrieve and reverse engineer UAP crash material is extremely interesting. It does mean that the USG took the possibility of UAP crashes serious, but it doesn’t mean that crashes were identified and investigated. It’s a contingency plan and capability at this point. If Grusch ever did get those additional read ons we might have learned if that contingency capability was implemented. Congress has to keep digging.

  16. The Kirkpatrick/Grusch dispute

    The hearing was on Wednesday, July 26.
    The next day Sean Kirkpatrick, the Director of AARO,
    issued a statement on his LinkedIn page!
    This is not the normal way directors of agencies or offices respond to criticism of their agency.
    Nonetheless, Kirkpatrick’s response received some attention.
    Here are three places you can read about it:

    I think the last link is the most detailed.

    It will be important in the future to clarify the issues in this case of differing memories.
    Thankfully, that should not involve clearances or UFOs.

    Let me bring up another, minor, issue I have been wondering about.
    Grusch says he provided classified information to both the ICIG and Congress.
    If that information was written documents, how did he get it to them?
    Just a question.

  17. I want to point out something Clapper said back on 2021-05-17:
    “James Clapper: Logical for intel community to address UFOs”

    Clapper makes a VERY interesting comment at the end of the interview, regretting that in his former capacities he
    “didn’t insist on more transparency with regard to this issue.”
    Wow. That acknowledges that there IS something to be transparent about.

    And his use of the phrase “insist on” indicates that there was an internal debate within the IC about how much to reveal. I.e., both sides were debating.
    I suspect that what we are seeing and hearing today is some of the transparency advocates trying to get at least some things out in the open. And a push back.

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