President Trump should go. He should go now!

Nixon

IMO President Trump did a lot of good things in his term until he was torpedoed by COVID-19 and the tangled skein of threads involved in the November 3rd election.  This electoral circus will be puzzled over for a long time.  I take note that Ossoff won in Georgia by just enough to avoid a re-count.  

Nevertheless, The president's actions since November 3 have grown more and more erratic and have now culminated in what can only be called an incitement of mob violence directed at the Congress.

People ask why the Capitol Police and other federal authorities were not better prepared to defend the Capitol complex against attack.  Well, pilgrims, nobody expected the president of the US to whip up crowd anger and then to send the mob to the Capitol.

I wrote some days ago that Trump's rage and pain were serious factors to consider in a moment of political crisis.   These things and his "one man show" mentality" overwhelmed him yesterday and in acting out his personal agony he did serious damage to the country.  He is done.  Stick a fork in him, maybe over-done.   

The Democrat leadership will not want to pursue him although his actions yesterday might make him criminally liable.  The squaddies will howl for his blood, but Schumer, Pelosi, etc. are not going to want to do anything that rash.

IMO he should leave the scene.  A retreat to Mar a Lago is what should happen.  He can let the clock run out there.  He can resign and let Pence deal with the mess, but he should go.

The populist revolt that he led is not dead.  It is not anything like dead.  The 75 million citizens who voted for him are still here.  They still want the same things, but he should depart and let a new leadership of the Deplorable Smellies emerge.  pl

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87 Responses to President Trump should go. He should go now!

  1. Avatar Deap says:

    Trump did not stir up Antifa yesterday. Antifa was waiting in the wings. Rahm Emanuel lingering words more likely stirred up Antifa – “never let a good crisis go to waste”.
    There was absolutely nothing in Trump’s small speech even remotely incinderiary. It is time to get past blaming one person for the systemic violence Democrats have ginned up for four long years against this one man. Stop drinking the media Kool-Aid.

  2. Avatar Fred says:

    Col.,
    I think you are right. He’s got a pen and pardon authority so he should get busy. He should fire a few people like Fauci while he’s at it.

  3. Avatar BillWade says:

    I heard a lot of talk about “crossing the Rubicon” lately and found myself thinking yesterday while watching President Trump’s speech that he could have easily “crossed the Rubicon”. He should have finished up his speech by saying he will walk together with the Deplorables over to the Capitol building where they and he together would peacefully stay behind the barriers just so the legislators knew they were there watching. Oh well.
    What’s he gonna do now? Like the Colonel suggests, slink off to Mar a Lago. The problem with that is his neighbors there hate him and want him to move out.
    I still have some hope Trump has something up his sleeve but it’s fading away.

  4. Avatar ttu says:

    These things and his “one man show” mentality” overwhelmed him yesterday and in acting out his personal agony he did serious damage to the country.
    I am what some members of your community might call the enemy. I write to thank you for this post.

  5. Avatar Deap says:

    PS – we ALL need to stop drinking the media Kool-Aid. My comment was not directed at the author. And also remember news, even the worst news, has 24 hour shelf life. Time to also share what other media resources that continue to be fair and reliable. My own choices are facing a shakedown right now.

  6. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    Our legions are brim-full, our cause is ripe:
    The enemy increaseth every day;
    We, at the height, are ready to decline.
    There is a tide in the affairs of men,
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat;
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.

  7. Avatar Tony Papert says:

    Breaking away from a peaceful million-man demo, a few provocateurs enlisted others to break into the Capitol with them. Cui bono? The President called for them to go home and abandon violence. Your post is a an over-reaction.
    It also has to be explained why the Capitol Police allowed this break-in to happen.

  8. Avatar Leith says:

    GOP Congressman Adam Kinzinger agrees with you, and is asking the VP to invoke the 25th Amendment.
    Whatever happens let’s hope the new leadership of the Trump wing of the Party is not the Cuban/Canadian Senator from TX. Rafael or whatever his name is?

  9. Avatar jerseycityjoan says:

    I agree. He should not have any power to do anything anymore which means he has to resign.
    I knew that he was a compulsive liar and someone who probably qualifies for some psychiatric diagnosis or other when I voted for him again last year. But I have turned into an immigration voter and he was my only hope to get immigration numbers down. I will have to live with knowing I gave another four years to someone I knew was never temperamentally suited to be our president.
    We got off easy across the board on this. I hope his supporters can let him and his family go and find someone better to represent them. But that was always the problem: conventional politicians don’t want to represent them.

  10. Avatar Fourth and Long says:

    Very happy to hear this from you, Colonel. Maybe they can invoke the 25th amendment, though minds I respect say it was not written with this situation in mind. If so, then perhap the Nixon scenario – resignation – precedent exists.

  11. Avatar Bobo says:

    Its only 24 hours and emotions on all sides are still hot so whatever words I could say would be tempered in time.
    Yes, Donald said to the crowd “now to the Capitol” but not into the Capitol, granted there is not much difference. He and his family were shocked at the crowds entering the Capitol and his son did attempt to stop or turn the crowd. Except for the rowdys and idiots it seemed to be a very peaceful and orderly stroll through the Capitol as one would be hard pressed to smear the whole crowd negatively. I saw neighbors, plumbers, beauticians, truck drivers and every other sort of hard working people in that crowd. Just good old American people.
    Oh, Donald will get the blame but if one sits back and thinks then one realizes people are not satisfied with how our Republic is functioning and their are a good number of people who want change. After yesterday that change will occur but it will take time and a lot of hard days.
    Donald has 13 days to go let him be.

  12. Avatar Edward Goldstick says:

    Colonel Lang,
    I appreciate your statement this morning.
    I have continued to follow SST since its creation, have continued to learn much while sometimes (perhaps often) disagreeing with arguements expressed here. I have not tried to participate in the discussion for a very long time for reasons that I will not elaborate here, but I have never averted my eyes from the views expressed here however unconvincing I might have found them.
    For what it is worth, I am certain that the majority of the 75 million people who voted for Trump/Pence in 2020 were not voting for them because of Trump’s presense on the ticket or that they are all among his most sincere supporters. I do not believe it is ever close to the 50% of the Republican caucus that supported the objections on January 6; however, even if that cohort is 10% or less it remains a significant portion of the adult citizenry.
    In my 65 years on this earth, I have had many Republican and conservative friends and associates from all over this country (and around the world) and at all levels of society with whom I have disagreed vehemently on some subjects without ever considering them to be deplorable… and I have known and worked with people whose political and social perspectives were closer to my own but who were despicable in their treatment of some of their fellow citizens and family members.
    I just hope we can finally discover as a nation how to fully engage in political discourse and debate on the basis of facts and logic and without disparaging people simply because they disagree with us or do not share our path in life or our place in society.

  13. Avatar Harper says:

    As I would expect from you, very well said!
    We may be in a period like the 1850s when the Whig Party disintegrated and was replaced by a new party, the Republican Party, that drew in various elements and developed a long-term viability. Nowhere did our Founding Fathers envision a two-party system veering in the direction of parliamentary rule. Washington, in his Farewell Address, not only warned of passionate foreign entanglement. He warned of factionalism and the rise of parties, already underway. He was right on both scores.

  14. Avatar akaPatience says:

    Well, I agree the populist movement Trump inspired isn’t finished, but I disagree that he’s done. It seems to me he still enjoys a large cult following based in part on his shoot-from-the-mouth personality. I’m not part of that cult, but I nevertheless admire and appreciate what he accomplished and attempted to accomplish against formidable odds. He’s definitely caused The Establishment, the MSM and others to reveal their true colors, and it’ll be impossible for some of us to ever disregard the nakedness of their hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty and self-serving corruption. I don’t know if anyone else can take Trump’s place and effectively preserve and lead the movement he created. I hope so though, as his goals are worthy but IMO his personality has hindered as much as helped him. Is there a firebrand who’s less boorish and egotistical, more civil and tempered, who can fire up a following the way Trump has? FL Gov. Ron DeSantis???
    The faux outrage about yesterday’s events from a litany of The Usual Suspects as they take their turns on cable news would be laughable if it weren’t so pathetic. That leftists FOR MONTHS burned cities, destroyed property and businesses, repeatedly assaulted law enforcement and others while Beijing Biden and his supporters made excuses for them and took their time to finally condemn the violence isn’t lost on me or I doubt anyone else who is sickened by the travesties of justice of the last 4 years.

  15. Avatar Deap says:

    Trip down memory lane – the “peaceful protests” during Trump’s Inauguration in 2017 – the very day I switched from being a No-Trumper to a Pro-Trumper.
    I saw the Democrat agenda unfold during those Democrat “peaceful protests” in Jan 2017, that tried to destroy a city, destroy a peaceful transition of power, and create their own pink pussy hat TDS narrative agenda from Day One and they never let up:
    https://rumble.com/vcijqh-this-is-what-the-trump-inauguration-looked-like-in-2017.html
    Compare these Jan 2017 videos to the antifa street performance videos from yesterday. Remind me what a “peaceful transition of power” is supposed to look like?

  16. Avatar Alexandria says:

    Colonel,
    Well said. As Senator Romney put, in a different vein yesterday, “We gather today due to a selfish man’s injured pride and the outrage of his supporters whom he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning. What happened here today was an insurrection, incited by the President of the United States.”
    He has blotted his copybook, P*ssed in every well on the way out, leaving a legacy that is very much tarnished. When he entered the White House, the Rs controlled all three branches of government, when he leaves the Ds will control all three branches of government, and he bears almost total responsibility for R loss of the Senate. What is his legacy? A tax cut for the wealthy, moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem and a “peace treaty” between Israel and Arab petrol-monarchies with whom Israel was not at war.

  17. Avatar Diana L Croissant says:

    Mob rule is never good. I agree. However, I understand a little Trump’s frustration. And I understand his followers’ frustration.
    We’ve spent a long time in the last year witnessing Leftist/Sociolists destroying downtown areas of many of their own cities in order to get their way. I was sorry to see the right then acting like them, though I understand their anger.
    I thought this morning of my favorite line from JFK’s inaugural address. I was only 13 when I heard it. The line was meant to warn those people at the time in former colonies of Western powers who were fighting for freedom. However I think it applies today to the Democrat-sociolists who destroyed the downtowns of mostly Democratic cities recently and who now feel they have Biden under their control:
    The line I am thinking of is this one:
    “—and to remember that, in the past, those who foolishly sought power by riding the back of the tiger ended up inside.”

  18. Avatar Post says:

    “Well, pilgrims, nobody expected the president of the US to whip up crowd anger and then to send the mob to the Capitol.”
    The march to the Capitol after speeches at the WH was a scheduled and advertised part of the event days in advance.

  19. Avatar Deap says:

    No more lies, Democrats. This is who we are: I’m with Mark Steyn https://politicrossing.com/mark-steyn-blisters-the-left-for-hypocrisy/
    No more faux calls to unity – you made your bed Democrats four years ago. Sleep in it on your own. You are not cutting off my arms, legs and head to fit into yours now. We are out, but we are not down. Sleep on that.

  20. Avatar Horace says:

    I agree with Col. Lang. There is no organized disciplined movement behind Pres. Trump. He attempted to remake the Republican Party, and while he has had enormous success with the rank and file, the party operatives and leadership are still overwhelmingly servants of corrupt internationalist oligarchy. We Americans are the most numerous people on Earth not only to not have our own country, but we don’t even have a single country-level institution representing our collective interests. We need one.
    The Republican Party and Establishment Conservatism (Republican-flavored globalists) have failed to conserve anything but their personal wealth. They will fail at that too, if the communists whose rise their misrule has enabled manage to escape the lassoes with which their Democrat-flavored globalist counterparts in the Democrat Party have managed to bind them.
    I hope Pres. Trump will play a leading role in the formation of a replacement for the Republican Party. It would never win at the country level (neither will Republicans at this point: we now live in a one party state), but we need reliable political machinery to produce sheriffs, DA’s and governors to protect our rights and preserve our political and social culture in institutions of local governance. “Chapter 1 Fake Democracy: de facto one party state” is over and we are now beginning “Chapter 2 The Oligarchy Revealed: de jure one party state” in what will be a multi-generational civilizational war.
    The tut-tutting over violence and mob rule is silly. There was one killing. The shooter was police and the victim was one of us. Our ruling class might have a leg to stand on calling us lawless if they hadn’t just carried out the most brazen full-court-press vote fraud operation in American history in collaboration with hostile foreigners. This after not only tolerating but encouraging communist BLM and Antifa thugs from wrecking several American cities over the last year, preceded by decades of utterly lawless tolerance of foreign drugs and illegal immigrants pouring into and corroding our communities.
    Making safe our American communities has never been a priority of theirs, so making safe their imperial capital is not one of ours. If they feel they are surrounded by hostile people and have to make their city an armed camp, then maybe they are simply recognizing a new reality (of their own creation) more quickly than many of the rest of us.

  21. Avatar AK says:

    Edward Goldstick,
    I just hope we can finally discover as a nation how to fully engage in political discourse and debate on the basis of facts and logic and without disparaging people simply because they disagree with us or do not share our path in life or our place in society.
    I share your sentiment, but I and anyone who is watching and listening with two eyes and two ears knows this will not be the case. The mainstream media and tech oligarchs will not permit this, and the more vicious and demagogic members of the partisan Left (which is to say the partisan Left writ large) will happily use this as yet another cudgel to bludgeon the reputations and very souls of the people with whom they disagree politically. We are in for a violent period in American history and I for one will be very surprised to see the country last beyond 2030. Culturally, we are simply too far apart.
    Facebook and Twitter are now engaged in full-scale communication suppression of any views contrary to the official media narrative of the events of yesterday. According to this narrative, I and everyone here who voted for Donald Trump are responsible and must be condemned and punished, forthwith. You can only expect this activity to expand and broaden in scope in the coming months to include any speech, thought, or sentiment that goes against the official Left narrative. The hardcore suppression of 74 million people is about to commence in earnest, and what happened yesterday is but a grain of salt what will prove to be an over-boiling cauldron of civil violence in the next few years as the Left seeks its vengeance on the Deplorables. The problem is the Left most certainly does not have a monopoly on violence.
    Sixty years of the radical Left hammering away at the foundations of our institutions has led to a fundamental collapse in the public trust of said institutions, and they have now moved on to eroding the personal trust between neighbors and friends by castigating opposition to their diktats as morally reprehensible or “deplorable“. COVID is a microcosmic example of this general erosive process at work. It is only natural that a reciprocal loathing and mistrust of the opposition is emerging among the Deplorables, with the adjoining view that their political adversaries are their enemies. After all, if they openly espouse their desire to see me personally destroyed and silenced for my political views, why should I not treat them as a threat and an enemy?
    We will soon rely only our own intuitive sense of self-preservation and those like-minded people closest to us whom we choose to trust. Personally for me, it will be very few. I currently have left wing friends whom I lie to about being a previous gun-owner (tragically, I lost all my guns in a boating accident this summer). They will gradually be phased out of my life completely out of protective necessity. General public trust in institutions is broken. Public trust in and agreement upon the common philosophical and moral foundations of the country is broken. Reciprocal trust among friends and neighbors, to say nothing of trust among strangers, is broken. The country is broken. Perhaps time and distance from these events will prove me wrong, but I’m not optimistic.

  22. Avatar jerseycityjoan says:

    Deal,
    What hard evidence do you have that the people at the Capitol were not Trump supporters?
    Why is it impossible for Trump supporters to get riled up and do things they shouldn’t? Trump told them to go to the Capitol so where are you saying they went instead?
    Everything that is wrong in this country or that you don’t like can’t be due to the actions of Democrats. Everything is not the Democrats’ fault.

  23. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    That’s a gloriously perfect Shakespeare quote, Barbara Ann. And 6 January, 2020, was precisely the day when
    “We, at the height, are [were] ready to decline.”
    Bill Wade – yes, that is what he should have done. The moment was tailor made for that action – see the magnificent Shakespeare lines Barbara Ann quoted.

  24. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    Make that 2021. The years are becoming a blur …

  25. Avatar Ed Lindgren says:

    Spengler (aka David P. Goldman) has some sobering analysis in his column in today’s Asia Times Online (open access and not behind a paywall):
    https://asiatimes.com/2021/01/american-democracy-died-on-capitol-hill/
    He ends his column with the following……….
    “The US Treasury can still borrow at negative real yields to send a $2,000 check to every American. If the popular mood is ugly today, what will happen when the US can no longer borrow at cheap rates, and the government is compelled to retrench?”
    Yes indeed, what will happen then???

  26. Avatar Horace says:

    @ Edward Goldstick
    “… we can finally discover as a nation …”
    The words nation, country, and state all have different meanings.
    We are not nor have we ever been A (one) nation. The country was governed by a federal state. The historic American people are, like the Swiss, a set of European-heritage Christian-heritage nations living together in a FEDERAL arrangement.
    This worked well enough for a quarter millennium because we had local culture, local media, and local education. We had a measure of local autonomy adequate to facilitate the kind of investment in (local) commons that by slow degrees over many years makes nice places to live.
    This is no longer true. The non-European, non-Christian nations that have been added into the American federal arrangement have never agreed to the fundamentals of the compact. They want to micromanage local control over every aspect of every community. If the unifying vision they are demanding we accept were quality, everything would be different. But it is not. It is a filth that we would drown in.
    We viscerally reject the culture of New York City, Washington DC, and Hollywood like we would reject a fetid open sewer running through our front yards. Our rejection is biologically primal. It is not going to vanish with some totemic banishing of Donald John Trump.

  27. Avatar Fred says:

    Edward Goldstick,
    Now do an analysis of the left and actual support for socialist policies enacted into law or imposed by executive order over the past couple decades.

  28. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Alexandria
    Well, it is hard to find a more selfish, self-centered man than Romney. Oh no, there was McCain ,,,

  29. Avatar scott s. says:

    I’m not sure comparisons to the Whig party are valid. The Whigs were created as a fusion of disparate groups, whose point in common was hatred of Jackson. The old New England federalists tried, with limited success, to co-opt the Whig movement and control the party. But they had continuing difficulty in creating a mass movement, and their only Presidential success was in running old war-horse generals Harrison and Taylor who could be termed “WINO”s. The closest a true Whig would come in an election was Clay v Polk and the only real Whig president was Fillmore who was bypassed in a possible election in his own right by yet another general Scott. (Fillmore would go on to attempt to rally old Whigs in a new “American” party that would also draw from the “Know-Nothing” anti-immigrant movement.) As the Republicans became liberal/radical, many old Whigs drifted to the Democrat party.
    Republicans were able to create and use Lincoln’s martyrdom along with the “bloody shirt” to dominate national politics until it started falling apart in the 1876 election. That and the end of reconstruction governments in the southern states would re-align politics.

  30. Avatar Alaric_E says:

    Trump didn’t tell anyone to break into the capital. I don’t see anything wrong with telling people to protest provided its peaceful (he should have specified). Intent is not the issue here, rather it is carelessness. He is incapable of understanding that he is President and his words have influence. As a New Yorker, I just ignore most of what he says as bombastic nonsense. Other will not.
    Regardless, this issue is more complex than Trump’s vocal slips. 8 months of lockdowns and fear mongering from the media. 4 years of nonstop trump derangement syndrome and frankly hate by the press and what 4-6 months of violent protests that were condoned and encouraged by the ruling class (“the left”) have created a politically charged environment. There were some very real issues with this election too which should have been addressed to help the country move past it and to restore faith in the election process.
    THEY let the monster of violence, disorder, and destruction out of its cage because anything was OK as long as they got Trump. It was only a matter of time before fringe elements on the other side of the aisle responded in kind.
    Trump should stay and use the opportunity to heal and reduce some of these tensions.

  31. Avatar different clue says:

    I voted for Trump the first time and I am still not sorry I diddit.
    Why am I not sorry? Because however bad things have become, at least we are not all part of a radioactive cloud of ionized gas plasma, the way we all would be if Clinton had gotten elected.

  32. Avatar Unhinged Citizen says:

    Seeing those senators and congressmen cowering in their benches was one of the best things I’ve ever witnessed, and re-invigorated my belief in the American people who have not lost their spirit since the founding period. The same spirit made this the most successful country in history.
    Washington’s creatures were officially WARNED by American patriots. Just when I thought America was finished…
    If I can add one more comment to my above post:
    One other excellent side-effect of this theatre has been to expose that the Republicans are a fraudulent status quo party, not in opposition to the Democrat-State Security-Mass Media tripartite Oligarchy; they are in fact one and the same, the MONOPARTY.
    I don’t think there’s anything short of explosives that can really unseat the Monoparty with their tentacles in all of the public information dissemination channels.

  33. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    @jerseycityjoan:
    “Why is it impossible for Trump supporters to get riled up and do things they shouldn’t? Trump told them to go to the Capitol so where are you saying they went instead?”
    The survival of some semblance of an American country that is inhabitable by patriotic Americans and not hostile to all we love and cherish very likely will depend on Trump supporters doing “things they shouldn’t”.

  34. Avatar IRUS says:

    Trump’s near-total ignorance of how Zionists have manipulated him toward unnecessary scaling up of enmities against Iran, and particularly, the illegal and cowardly assassination of the national hero of Iran General Soleimani while he was invited to Iraq through the request of Trump himself to reduce the tensions between Iran-supported militia (who were busy fighting the likes of ISIS) and US forces in Iraq was surely the failure of his presidency.
    I am no fan of the utterly corrupt democratic party, but at the same time do consider Trump’s humiliation and self-destruction utterly enjoyable to watch! He could have been a good president; if he was not so unbelievably naïve and Zionist-gullible.

  35. Avatar Dan Lennon says:

    “Deap | 07 January 2021 at 11:33 AM”
    I think you’ll always have a difficult time arguing that a small contingent of false flag agitators is able to compel a much larger group of to act in terrible fashion. It never made sense for the riots across the country and claims of right-wing agitation, and it doesn’t make sense here. Lots of people clearly showed up to cause trouble, and if they were all or mostly plants it would have been sniffed out.
    Anyway, its all bad, I think too many Americans use politics in place of the religion they are looking for, and then the politicians and culture types capitalize upon that and manipulate it to their own purposes.

  36. Avatar Kilo 4/11 says:

    @Horace:
    “Making safe our American communities has never been a priority of theirs, so making safe their imperial capital is not one of ours. If they feel they are surrounded by hostile people and have to make their city an armed camp, then maybe they are simply recognizing a new reality (of their own creation) more quickly than many of the rest of us.”
    Spot on! 6 January, 2021 crystallized for all to see just who is more important in the eyes of our masters – who risibly call themselves our “elected” leaders – them or us. It sure ain’t us!

  37. Avatar Leith says:

    @Horace: “We viscerally reject the culture of New York City, Washington DC, and Hollywood like we would reject a fetid open sewer running through our front yards.”
    Me too and I’m what you might consider a lefty.
    Trump is a product of New York City culture. And since his claim to fame was as a television personality he also benefited from Hollywood culture.
    So please tell me why people who claim they hate NYC and Hollywood seem to think Trump is God’s gift to America?

  38. Avatar Eric Newhill says:

    Col Lang,
    With utmost respect, I disagree and am, frankly, surprised that you would suggest such a thing.
    He must remain as a symbol of perseverance to the 74 million Americans that believe in his policies and in fair elections. Those awful bitches, the media, Pelosi and Schumer and those they lead must not be rewarded. The glee they would experience seeing Trump drummed out of office before completing his term would encourage them. Trump’s early departure would be twisted into a refutation of everything he stood for and all of those who voted for him. That cannot be permitted.
    I do not think that Trump will be able to act on any crazy whim that may cross his mind in the next 13 days. He is as lame as a duck can be.

  39. Avatar turcopolier says:

    Eric Newhill
    I am afraid for the man. He should get out of Dodge while he can. Until the day Biden is inaugurated, trump commands the armed forces. Never forget that. BTW, I DO NOT think the populist movement is about trump. I never did.

  40. Avatar jerseycityjoan says:

    Re claims Antifa was at the Capitol yesterday.
    Congressman Matt Gaetz and others are citing a now disappeared story at the Washington Times saying that a facial recognition company identified Antifa members at the Capitol (and how could they have done that, I wondered, since it seems nobody knows who they are except for the few who’ve gotten arrested).
    In any event, the facial recognition company has a completely different story to tell:
    “But XRVision, the company at the center of the story, says the Times story is totally made up. In a statement provided by the company’s attorney, XRVision said its facial recognition software had in fact identified two neo-Nazis and a QAnon supporter.
    “We concluded that two of [the] individuals (Jason Tankersley and Matthew Heimbach), were affiliated with the Maryland Skinheads and the National Socialist Movements,” the statement reads. “These two are known Nazi organizations, they are not Antifa. The third individual identified (Jake Angeli) was an actor with some QAnon promotion history. Again, no Antifa identification was made for him either.”
    XRVision has demanded a retraction and apology from the paper, according to the statement.
    “XRVision takes pride in its technology’s precision and deems the Washington Times publication as outright false, misleading, and defamatory,” the statement read. “Our attorney is in contact with the Washington Times and has instructed them to ‘Cease and Desist’ from any claims regarding sourcing of XRVision analytics, to retract the current claims, and publish and (sic) apology.”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/group-behind-gaetz-s-antifa-mob-claim-say-it-s-a-lie/ar-BB1cyEht

  41. Avatar AK says:

    Dan Lennon,
    I think too many Americans use politics in place of the religion they are looking for, and then the politicians and culture types capitalize upon that and manipulate it to their own purposes.
    Very accurate with a small modification – too many Americans use politics in place of the religion that they have willingly spurned and cast out of their own lives and have mocked in the lives of their fellow Americans. They favor politics over religion, because its contradictions are easier to reconcile or overlook, it requires no hard choices, and most importantly it requires no self-discipline, personal restraint, or personal accountability. This is a great trade-off to most people. Our founders were correct in their belief that ours is a system of government suitable only for a religious and moral people. Contemporary American culture is proof of their wisdom and foresight.

  42. Avatar AK says:

    Horace,
    They want to micromanage local control over every aspect of every community. If the unifying vision they are demanding we accept were quality, everything would be different. But it is not. It is a filth that we would drown in.
    We viscerally reject the culture of New York City, Washington DC, and Hollywood like we would reject a fetid open sewer running through our front yards. Our rejection is biologically primal. It is not going to vanish with some totemic banishing of Donald John Trump.

    This is what I cannot, for the life of me, get my leftist friends and family to understand. They simply will not abide with the notion that there are people who live thousands of miles away from them who do not want to think and live just like them and that they should be permitted to think and live as they best see fit.

  43. Avatar vig says:

    … Iran General Soleimani while he was invited to Iraq through the request of Trump himself to reduce the tensions …
    Posted by: IRUS | 07 January 2021 at 04:03 PM
    slight variation I don’t have heard/seen framed exactly that way before.
    Would be highly interesting though, if true. Source?

  44. Avatar roberto says:

    The whole point of Pelosi and Schumer trying to invoke the 25th amendment is to make it impossible for Trump to run in 2024.

  45. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Deap,
    Either a bunch of pro-Trump folks who attended the rally then decided to riot inside the Capitol , or a small group of Antifa infiltrators easily convinced a bunch of pro-Trump folks to riot inside the Capitol. The woman who was killed wasn’t an Antifa agitator (unless she has been undercover as a pro-Trumper for a long, long time).
    You pick your narrative from the two explanations. Neither reflects well on the pro-Trump folks that took part in yesterday’s assclownery.
    Somehow folks are shocked that the media will condemn right-wing “riots” after supporting left-wing “protests?” Rule Number One: Know your operational environment. Yesterday’s actions played perfectly to the media and D.C. establishment’s narrative about Trump and his supporters.
    Trump is finished, and his brand is finished. The media and the establishment will also be painting anyone who dares dissent as part of that brand.
    That is all.
    JMG

  46. Avatar TonyL says:

    Colonel,
    “Nevertheless, The president’s actions since November 3 have grown more and more erratic and have now culminated in what can only be called an incitement of mob violence directed at the Congress.”
    Thank you for saying this.
    Watching the scene of the mob violence, I am really sad and worried for the country.

  47. Avatar Fred says:

    JMG,
    “The media and the establishment will also be painting anyone who dares dissent as part of that brand.”
    They’ve been doing that since he rode down the escalator in NYC.

  48. Avatar Laura Wilson says:

    Thank you for your honesty.

  49. Avatar Deap says:

    Just because this is worth repeating:
    ……. “If Americans’ takeaway from the COVID-19 pandemic is that centralized government is the all-purpose solution, they’re taking precisely the lesson most likely to end in mass death in the future…….” (Ben Shapiro)

  50. Avatar IRUS says:

    vig:
    It has been reported in many places. According to the Iraqi PM:
    Abdul-Mahdi added as per the publication that he was expecting a meeting with Soleimani the day the commander was killed in a US-sanctioned airstrike. “He came to deliver me a message from Iran, responding to the message we delivered from Saudi Arabia to Iran,” the Iraqi prime minister said, according to Washington Post.
    “What happened was a political assassination,” Abdul Mahdi added. He noted that TRUMP HAD ASKED HIM TO INTERVENE AND ARBITRATE A DISCUSSION WITH IRAN AFTER PROTESTS OUTSIDE THE US EMBASSY IN BAGHDAD.
    https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/594521-iraq-pm-reveals-reason-why-soleimani-was-in-baghdad-before-death
    You can also read a short sequence of events here:
    https://twitter.com/ejmalrai/status/1345613144920625153
    1. The #US allowed #Israel to bomb Hashd al-Shaabi HQs and killing of a commander by an Israeli drone
    2. #US Secretary of Defence Mark Esper informed (did not ask permission) PM Adel Abdel Mahdi that he will bomb Hashd al-Shaabi positions. The Iraqi Prime Minister warned him of the consequences. The US unlawfully attacked an Iraqi HQ at the borders with #Syria, monitoring #ISIS.
    3. #US killed soldiers and officers of the Iraqi army, the Federal Police and Hashd al-Shaabi in a clear violation of their role in #Iraq, the international law and with no accountability. Hashd, Army and FP reacted against the US embassy in Baghdad, angry about the US killing.
    4. The 31st of December 2019, Pr. @realDonaldTrump called #Iraq PM Adel Abdel Mahdi and asked him to intervene with #Iran to de-escalate following the US killing of 28 Iraqi security forces at al-Qaem and the reaction of their companions in arms against the US embassy in Baghdad. Prime Minister Abdel Mahdi promised @realdonaldtrump to do talk to #Iran and asked his office to contact Sardar Soleimani inviting him to #Baghdad. Soleimani travelled to Lebanon, slept a night in #Damascus and arrived to #Baghdad to the request of the Prime Minister.
    5. And once he arrived he was assassinted by direct order of Trump.

  51. Avatar AK says:

    And right on cue, ABC News’ political director, in a now deleted tweet, calls for a “cleansing of the movement Trump commands”. This is a major news network. I give it two weeks before a major network anchor calls every one of the 74 million people who voted for Trump cockroaches, rats, or other such vermin.
    https://twitter.com/omriceren/status/1347288455827566592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1347288455827566592%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailywire.com%2Fnews%2Fabc-news-political-director-getting-rid-of-trump-is-the-easy-part
    Again, Edward Goldstick, I ask you – what am I to make of these people and their intentions toward me? Thank God for Twitter, because it has a way of ripping off peoples’ masks even against their better judgement or intentions, exposing their id for all to see.

  52. Avatar JM Gavin says:

    Spot on, AK…social media certainly allows folks to go loud with their inner monologue.
    As has been said, “If someone shows you there true intentions, believe them, the first time.”
    JMG

  53. I’ve heard three ways discussed for removing Trump from power prematurely. Whether by 25th Amendment or impeachment and conviction, the way forward is clear, lawful, but cumbersome. The third way discussed was boxing him in. That way troubles me. It should trouble all of us. Is it a form of house arrest? Does the White House just claim he is indisposed? Does everyone just cut him out of the loop? How could it be explained? Drug the President? Induce some incapacitating illness or psychotic breakdown? That would be believable. Let’s be clear. If discovered, the plotters should expect to face trial and imprisonment for this serious crime. They better think hard about whether the good of the country is worth the risk.This would be an actual coup. If something like this is seriously contemplated in the next few days, the plotters must maintain absolute secrecy and take that secret to their graves.

  54. Trump just acknowledged there will be a new President on 20 January and that he will now busy himself with facilitating a smooth transition. He also condemned his followers fro attacking the Capital yesterday.
    “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.”
    What must his followers think now, especially the QAnon true believers? It’s like Jesus denouncing his disciples as a pack of moronic assholes. I really expected Trump to nurture that group once he was out of office as his core base. Or perhaps he’s trying to shave off the radical fringe of his base. That would be a smart and farsighted move.

  55. Avatar TV says:

    The swamp has always detested Trump, but not for the same reasons that the Trump derangement syndrome camp followers do.
    The swamp hates Trump because he had the potential to threaten the golden lifestyle.
    The camp followers, mostly passive aggressives who run on emotion, would naturally hate an alpha male who is confrontational and “boorish.”
    AND, sadly, his narcissism finally won.

  56. Avatar longarch says:

    Sir,
    I do not care much about President Trump in a personal sense. I do care passionately about the elimination of corruption, and insofar as President Trump has successfully destroyed corrupt elements of government, I praise President Trump.
    President Trump has promised an orderly transition on January 20th. Almost everyone has taken that as a declaration of defeat. I won’t bore you with details, but various fringe Internet writers are proposing various theories that Pompeo was speaking literally when he spoke of a “transition from the first Trump administration to a second Trump administration.”
    If President Trump truly has lost, then the winners ought to be satisfied with his dignified declaration of an orderly transition. If President Trump actually has won, then he has avoided lying about his transition.

  57. Avatar Ingolf Eide says:

    I second Ed Lindgren’s recommendation of a recent Spengler column.
    https://asiatimes.com/2021/01/american-democracy-died-on-capitol-hill/
    It seems to me he gets to the core of the current disarray:
    “But the biggest problem isn’t Trump’s misbehavior, egregious as it is, but the eruption of popular rancor against the constitutional system that has made America a model of governance for the world. Leftist mobs last spring burned police stations and destroyed shopping districts in a rampage against supposed systemic racism, and Trump supporters desecrated the Holy of Holies of American democracy, the chamber of the United States Senate.
    Behind the minority of violent actors is a majority that believes the system is rigged against them – whoever “them” might be.”
    [ . . . ]
    “Sometimes there is a conspiracy and sometimes there isn’t. But Trump’s political supporters, bombarded daily by fake news about Russian collusion and other alleged misbehavior, have come to distrust any criticism of their president. If Trump was right that the whole impeachment business was an extra-legal conspiracy on the part of his enemies, why shouldn’t they believe that the election was rigged?”
    [ . . . ]
    “Americans are frightened for their future, with good reason. They see enormous rewards accrue to a handful of tech companies, and stagnation and decay in large parts of the rest of the country. Donald Trump gave them a frisson of hope, and the Establishment reaction against Trump confirms the popular suspicion that a malevolent global elite has seized control of their country. Trump shamefully exploited this suspicion to direct a popular storm against the Congress.”
    Based on TTG’s post about Trump’s recent statement, perhaps he realised how much damage he had done, not least to himself. It may already be terminal but any step back from the brink has to be a good thing.

  58. Avatar AK says:

    JM Gavin,
    I do believe them, which is why I am not sanguine about our country’s future prospects. For every dips&%t like this guy who says the quiet part out loud, there are countless others who think it, believe it, and want it but have the restraint (for now) not to express it audibly.

  59. Avatar VietnamVet says:

    Colonel,
    You are correct. I admit that I contracted TDS after the pandemic locked me in here at home. The US federal public health system abdication of responsibility for the coronavirus pandemic and yesterday’s storming of the Capitol are abject failures of government. However, Donald J Trump is a symptom not the cause. He is now unofficially out of power. VP Mike Pence called in the National Guard but he can’t be seen as the one who stabbed the President in the back.
    The causes of Donald Trump’s rise and fall are still with us. The Borg still runs things, sort of. The sole goal of the Elite is still to make more money not matter the consequences. The incompetence and corruption remain. Except now, Congress knows they are vulnerable. The only way DC lampposts will remain unadorned is if rule of law for all and government by and for the people are restored. The propaganda no longer works just like at the end of the USSR. Denial will be rampant but as always ineffective.
    The most likely future for the USA is what happened to Russia when it lost its empire; one to two million middle-aged American deaths in the chaos. The pandemic has started the toll, one third of the way to a million,

  60. Avatar elaine says:

    DJT is fast becoming yesterday’s news, a matter for historians.
    I remain concerned over the integrity of the election(s), the
    machines & much more. Unfortunately that issue appears to be
    vanishing along with DJT.

  61. Avatar Leith says:

    @TTG: “He also condemned his followers fro attacking the Capital yesterday.”
    The proud boys and Qanon nuts don’t believe he really means it, and is just saying it as a strategic gambit in his so-called 4-dimensional chess. They think he’ll walk it back.
    And some apparently think it is a fake video and he never said it:
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErLBwo-XYAEM3RW?format=jpg&name=medium

  62. Avatar mcohen says:

    the further you step back the more organised it looks with a definite scripted ending.it stands to reason.if you stand for anything you stand for nothing.thats the problem.he will not be standing.

  63. Avatar Chuck Light says:

    In all fairness, I must apologize for repeating early reports that a member of the Capitol Police had died defending the Capitol from the insurrectionists. The early reports were not true, although they may have merely been premature.
    Later reports, including from the head of the Capitol Police Union, indicate either that the officer is in critical condition (MSNBC) or is being kept alive on life support. The reports regarding life support indicate that the support will be withdrawn on Friday.
    Should proof be needed that false reports can be unintended, I offer this example. There are other examples of false reports which are not accidental, such as reports that the mob which attacked the Capitol was a false flag attack led by “antifa.”
    I also learned what the letters SMNE on a t-shirt worn by one of the attackers means. “Six Million Not Enough.” Not a shirt usually worn by anti-fascists.

  64. Avatar optimax says:

    It’s fake news the Capitol Police open up the gates for the mob.
    https://www.wvtm13.com/article/alabama-man-arrested-during-protest-riot-at-the-us-capitol/35152483#
    Some older calmer protestors said there were agitators who amped the crowd. The above video shows that along with the police line breaking because they were too few. They were used to Trump supporters friendly to the blue and leave their protest area clean.
    They weren’t ready for guys like this:
    https://www.wcjb.com/2021/01/07/marion-county-man-charged-in-us-capitol-breach/

  65. Avatar Chuck Light says:

    Again I must apologize. The t-shirt to which I referred was not “SMNE.” It was “6MWE,” an acronym for Six Million Wasn’t Enough.” I will try in the future to be more accurate.

  66. Avatar jerseycityjoan says:

    I contacted Mitch McConnell and my two Senators and Representatives to say that I wanted Trump to resign and I added that I hoped they would encourage him to resign, too. I also contacted the White House.
    I think anyone here who wants him out should do the same. It’s the quickest way. I saw a news report that said Mnuchin and Pompeo talked about the 25th Amendment idea but rejected it for a number of reasons, including that it would take too long.
    He shouldn’t be Commander in Chief or make any other decisions. He also shouldn’t be able to pardon anyone else, including himself.

  67. Avatar Barbara Ann says:

    “I feel the Holy Spirit inside and see the light that freedom gives
    I believe it’s within the reach of every man who lives
    Keep as far away as possible – it’s darkest ‘fore the dawn
    I turned the key and I broke it off and I crossed the Rubicon” – Bob Dylan

  68. Avatar confusedponderer says:

    Alaric_E,
    re Trump should stay and use the opportunity to heal and reduce some of these tensions.
    The problem there is that …
    # he cannot,
    # does not want to,
    # never will do,
    # nor will he ever apologize
    # for anything.
    I have long wondered who Trump was playing his yelling to. My conclusion was that there simply was no playbook or script he followed. He was acting and ruling on instincts, habits and gut feeling, very poorly hiding severe insecurity.
    He did not have a particular script “How to win the Proud Boys”, “Blacks for Trump”, “Hispanos for Trump”, “Women for Trump”, “FOX for Trump” (and when that wasn’t servile enough, OAN), “Mexican Druggy & Rapist threat”, “China Virus”, “caravan from Latin America (also filled with hordes from Hezbollah)” etc. pp.
    He was and is just what he is. The script is simple enough for him to be handled within the limits of his renowned attention span: “Me, Me, Me, #MORE MILKSHAKES!“.
    Yesterday I read that in the next two weeks he may pardon himself, which iirc was seen in a major case back in 1915 as an actual admission of guilt. I wonder why he knows that may be necessary? A president knowing he violated deliberately the law he was supposed to protect?
    Ah well, I forgot the perpetual witch hunt which pursuing him, by the … the DEEP STATE!
    Another threat as great was and is atm the election steal for which evidence was so overwhelming clear that Trump’s involuntary clown Giuliani lost iirc 60 of 60 cases he started (100% losses only concern people with a rest of self respect, a thing Rudy lost ages ago, just like Cruz or DeSantis [who electioneered for himself with a video of himself showing iirc daughter how to build a wall]).
    What I can also imagine is that Trump may surprisingly (though not very cunningly) step back from office, making Pence president who will do the pardon game for Trump then, with Trump rather openly threatening him when saying things like ~ “… if he wouldn’t do that I would like him much less“.
    Well, Pence has not been fired yet, an idea Trump is said to have played with for a few months. Idea being about this: “put a gun at someone else’s head is so convincing”?
    That violence also is way to a solution is iirc a view expressed by the vice head of the Proud Boys. That said, such a presidential pardon for Trump would likely have zero effect beyond the federal justice system and against investigations or prosecution on the state level. Trump’s problem there is the state New York.
    Rules for pardoning are as Trump likes them – arbitrarily – allowing him to pardon Blackwater employees. One of them was sentenced for murder but their leader was a generous campaign spender (and candidate for rented US vice king of Afghanistan) with a sister in his cabinet (also a generous spender) … There will be no “Oops!” coming.
    As for Trump building a new party – he doesn’t need to. He already has the GOP, which is by now so trumpised that it didn’t even bother to write a party policy program for the 2020 election since Trump alone would do. Well, he didn’t. A party program like a presidential executive order hastily scribbled down and tweeted with typos at 2am between a TV spree, popcorn, fries, healthy cheeseburgers, coke light and a milkshake?
    The GOP has to reinvent itself, and that would likely mean first of all to de-trumpize itself. That’ll be hard since I expect Trump to ruin their time by being the #REAL PRESIDENTEER till 2024, 2028, 2032, 2036, 2040, 2044, 2048, 2052, 2056, 2060 … i.e. as long as he lives – though for a change, this time without Twitter.

  69. Avatar Edward Goldstick says:

    AK,
    “The hardcore suppression of 74 million people is about to commence in earnest…”
    Really? I could try to respond in chapter and verse but instead will ask that question. I would be the first to agree that there are violent extremists among us of all persuasions – Left, Right, and Rudderless – but your argument focuses uniquely on one aspect. The aggressive acts to which you refer did transpire in some places, but the greatest distinction with Tuesday’s terrible demonstration was that in the former case you could easily find organizers and participants – I would suggest the majority – who called for a nonviolent form of protestation en masse. This was and has been, in my view, particularly the case in BLM-related manifestations.
    “Sixty years of the radical Left hammering away at the foundations of our institutions has led to a fundamental collapse in the public trust of said institutions.”
    In fact, I could point you to an argument made yesterday by a longtime leader of the “real” Left in our country who comes close to making the same argument that is held in your response and in this line, though to summarize his argument we need only replace “Left” with “Right”. I certainly agree more with his perspective than I do with the one you espouse just as I was pleased many months ago to see a strong and cogent defense of the idea of the Social Justice Warrior in these pages.
    My fundamental point, in reentering this discussion at all, was to suggest that many are backing closer to the abyss with their minds closed to their fellow citizens who have strongly held and justifiable positions that might seem to challenge their own but that are, I would argue, often quite consistent with them.

  70. Avatar TheUnready says:

    VietnamVet,
    “The most likely future for the USA is what happened to Russia when it lost its empire”
    Q: Is Trump America’s Gorbachev or Yeltsin? More importantly, who will be America’s Putin? Perhaps it’s early days for that comparison.
    Sooner or later, someone will have to dominate the oligarchs and re-establish the republic and a government-organized economy in order to salvage a viable, industrial society that can compete with Russia, China and Europe on equal terms.

  71. Avatar Fred says:

    TTG,
    You don’t find it troubling that the president is banned from all social media by corporate oligarchs and then a low resolution video with bad editing is released that doesn’t mention Biden by name is released?
    ” The third way discussed was boxing him in. That way troubles me. It should trouble all of us. Is it a form of house arrest?” … “They better think hard about whether the good of the country is worth the risk.This would be an actual coup. If something like this is seriously contemplated in the next few days, the plotters must maintain absolute secrecy and take that secret to their graves.”
    You’re the de opresso liber expert. How do we get out of this one, or is this the result desired? I ask as the vaunted report on foreign collusion was released yesterday – after the voting fraud challenges were shunted aside by Buffalo Bills Wild West dog and pony show that ony left Ashli Barrett dead at the hands of the police.
    Intelligence analysts downplayed Chinese election influence to avoid supporting Trump policies, inspector finds”
    That’s the ethics of the ‘career professionals’ of the federal bureaucracy in action.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/intelligence-analysts-downplayed-election-interference-trump-inspector
    Of course I believe he conceded in a tweet after he was banned. A news conference inside the oval office? That would be too presidential and he would never do that. Anyone who thinks such should get branded a rube, a Qanon conspiracist or otherwised labeled so as to discount their future value to political opponents of those expected to take office on Jan 20th.
    Am I doing that analyis right? Or are those the wrong questions to ask?

  72. Avatar English Outsider says:

    TTG – I heard that statement you quote being made. I thought it was a good one – “The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engage in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay.”
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1347334804052844550
    And in distancing himself from those demonstrators President Trump followed the line he adopted when he was Candidate Trump and was distancing himself from the Alt-right.
    So far so good. A major political figure has no business getting close to dubious fringe groups and the President has again avoided that. But then we see the responses from European leaders, not least from the UK Prime Minister. They are condemnatory responses.
    Why? Looking around, there is a combination of relief and triumph in the international response to this riot. Relief because at last the election scandal can be put to bed. Triumph because few politicians in Europe like Trump and for those who don’t the riot can be seized upon as final proof that he’s a wrong ‘un.
    And it was a bad business. The details of how it went bad are not important. Such things happen often when mass protests are in progress. I suspect both the police and the organisers were taken off guard so there’s not a lot to be read into that either. I’m surprised Trump or his advisors didn’t see it coming. Bad judgement there. Not, I’d guess, bad intention though many think differently.
    I’m not a fan of mass protest in any case even when it doesn’t go wrong. Walking around chanting, whatever the cause, has never appealed to me.
    What I am a fan of is voting, naive though that seems these days. At worst it enables people to at least feel they’re in some sort of control of the politicians. At best, admittedly very seldom indeed, it can enable them to be in control.
    So these recent dramatic events in Washington have diverted attention from what really matters about the recent election. That it was bent. Whether enough to make a difference we’ll never know though many suspect so.
    It won’t be less bent because a lot of fuss is being made about this group or that group behaving badly. The largely manufactured horror in Europe of what happened that day in Washington – largely manufactured because I’ve seen far worse on the screens over the last year without such international condemnation – does not alter that.
    So they’ve managed to bury the bent election. Is that anything other than a cause for concern? Concern for all of us who believe that what happens in the States matters, not only a cause for concern for Americans.

  73. Avatar turcopolier says:

    All
    Edward Goldstick wrote in a comment that I deleted hastily today that he did not intend to “play ping pong” with the people here. Goldstick or whatever his name is stopped writing here a long way back because of this attitude. “I will not play ping pong with you…” No, like many leftists, he wants you to meekly accept the dogma of the left and shut up.

  74. Avatar Fred says:

    VietnamVet,
    “after the pandemic locked me in here at home. The US federal public health system abdication of responsibility for the coronavirus ”
    The pandemic didn’t lock you in, you did that to yourself by following your state or local governments orders. The US federal public health system is not a socialist government monopoly on health care, but your political party is sure going to try and force it into being one. “The pandemic has started the toll, one third of the way to a million,”
    The Boomers are dying of old age. This is just pushing 100,000 more than projected over a year or so sooner.
    confusedponderer,
    You should broaden your news sources. “Giuliani lost iirc 60 of 60 cases”
    Remind us all of which courts accepted any or all of the 60 cases and reviewed evidence presented in court.
    “Pence has not been fired yet” Is that how it works in Germany? Under the US Constitution the Vice President can’t get fired. The only remedy for removal from office is impeachment.
    “As for Trump building a new party – he doesn’t need to. He already has the GOP”
    No, he has the voting members, not the elected officials or the bureaucrats that run the party mechanism. If he had the GOP Speak Ryan would not have stiffled his agenda in the first two years of his administration, or did you not know who was Speaker those first two years?
    English Outsider,
    “What I am a fan of is voting, naive though that seems these days. At worst it enables people to at least feel they’re in some sort of control of the politicians.”
    So am I and most of the commenters here. However it looks like the left’s blatent chickanery, to include some old fashioned election rigging, has severely damaged belief in that process. I expect one more round in 2022 will show just how far down into third world status we’ve gone. If Joe and Mistress in waiting don’t provoke armed conflict before hand – that would be the opportunity to declare ‘crisis’ and impose changes. I’m sure that would suit some of their backers much more than honest elections would.

  75. Fred,
    I don’t find it troubling at all. He’s not banned from Parler, Gab, 4chan, 8kun or most other similar media. If he started using those media channels, their reach would expand dramatically. All the millions he garnered from his latest campaign donation scam could bolster whatever channels he decides to use. Lord knows he didn’t spend it on the Georgia elections. He only had his twitter account suspended for less than a day. He lost Facebook. So what. Zuckerberg did him a favor. I’m sure he could have made his “concession speech” on all TV and radio waves in prime time if he chose to do so. Instead he chose to release his home movie version on twitter. He couldn’t bring himself to mention Biden’s name. Does that surprise you?
    I think this third way I discussed is already underway, just not in the radical ways I mentioned. The battle is between those in the WH who want to limit any further damage and the few who still think there’s some way to keep Trump in the WH or wish for a Götterdämmerung as a last act. Convincing Trump to make and release this “contrition and concession” statement was part of this third way. I doubt it was his idea and I seriously doubt he enjoyed it. For all his bluster and obstinacy, I think Trump is quite susceptible to manipulation. I’m sure those around him know the tricks by now. They just have to keep the real crazies from his ear. Machiavellian, yes. Illegal or unconstitutional, I think not.

  76. Avatar turcopolier says:

    TTG
    IMO Trump will be a minimal inluence in US politics as new leaders
    of the Smellistas emerge. He is an old man. He is done, cooked. He could have been the “grand old man” of the movement, but he ruined himself the other day.

  77. Avatar Fred says:

    TTG,
    Big tech silenced him when he told everyone to go home. They did that after first silencing the initial 15 seconds or so his tweeted video where he said there was election fraud. Silencing every voice, starting with his, isn’t going to change any minds. Machiavelian is what Joe’s handlers are going to be.

  78. Avatar different clue says:

    The one biggest survival-based reason I would like to see President Trump removed from effective power as soon as possible is to deprive him of the still-a-little-over-240 hours he still has to start an unstoppable war with Iran the way Pompeo and his other thinking-brain dogs want him to do.
    Still, I wish he would have handed out pardons to Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Obama and perhaps some other senior-most legacy political operator-perpetrators in the most humiliating way possible.

  79. Avatar English Outsider says:

    I quite like the lies they tell about it all Fred. Reasonably straightforward. “The courts have uniformly rejected Trump’s claims”. It’s not much trouble sorting that out.
    Compare that to the lies we get over here, often so twisty and technical you’re never sure whether they’re lying or dumb.
    And I love your AOC. You know where you are with her. Salem here we come. Your crazies are again so much more straightforward. Ours tend to be more concealed crazy.
    Confirms my belief that American politics is miles ahead of ours in Europe. Sharper articulated. Lines clearer. Means you’ll be on the road to recovery well before us.
    You do intend to recover, I take it? Not as if there’s much in the way of alternative.

  80. Avatar Artemesia says:

    Dan Lennon — “Anyway, its all bad, I think too many Americans use politics in place of the religion they are looking for,”
    Congresspersons are referring to the “sacrosanct chambers” that were violated; Pelosi lamented the “gleeful desecration of . . . the temple of our American democracy.”
    Rich rhetoric, coming from the same governmental authorities who demanded and enforce the shuttering of the nation’s churches.

  81. Avatar John Plumridge says:

    Someone said in these comments ‘There is no organised, disciplined movement’ behind Trump, in criticism.
    Agreed, the organisation was minimal.. to assemble in protest. Surely that’s enough, and the reset depends upon the qualities and urgencies of the people who respond. It’s not a funded, political tool, but the usual public protest.
    Nowhere here in the comments have I heard that the ‘storming and break in of the capitol was a) possibly assisted and planned b) led by factions of such groups as Anftifa. Yet evidence surfaced very quickly. I find that lack of critical approach here astonishing. As if what transpired could only be the fault of the protesters who, incidentally had very good cause to protest, given the evidence I’ve seen of massive and widespread election fraud. That issue shoul dnot be sidelined by the eventuality at capitol hill, which is FAR MORE SERIOUS and THREATENING and yet it is, just as wouold be wished by the Biden camp.

  82. Avatar different clue says:

    In fact, while my brain is still spinning in its gimbals, a couple more names for Pardons came to mind.
    Jeffrey Epstein, for any services he may have rendered to the Great and the Good and the Leaders of the Free World, because they need and deserve occasional relief from the pressure they labor under.
    And William Barr, just in case he had any involvement in calling for or advising on the Epstein assassination, because ” loose lips sink ships” and sometimes those-in-the-know have to do what needs to be done to keep those ships afloat.
    There. Those are two pardons which would really get the puck moved back to center ice . . . if that is the word for it.

  83. Avatar Bobo says:

    If I understand Twitter correctly they have terminated the President of the United States account forever, I know, they will accept the next one but the future ex President cannot use this commercial communication tool forever. I’m sure FB is coming shortly with their ban. The BOA came out with a statement condemning the actions of people at the capitol and then we have the media highlighting individuals at the capitol mentioning where they work with people losing their jobs. All well and good that these private entities are doing their perceived civic duty but I know where my meager funds will be spent in the future and I urge others to look at he entities they utilize in the future.
    I will state that I never thought Twit and FB were viable long term businesses.

  84. Avatar Christian J. Chuba says:

    Trumpism without Trump or the $8T 4yr deficits would be good.
    Previously I said that the Georgia recount proved that Dominion did not electronically alter votes on election night but the state should verify that the barcodes on the printed ballot matches the text on readable portion.
    I found out that Georgia did that. They called their first re-count an audit and stressed that it was a manual count of the paper ballots that excluded Dominion machines altogether.
    https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/historic_first_statewide_audit_of_paper_ballots_upholds_result_of_presidential_race
    “Due to the tight margin of the race and the principles of risk-limiting audits, this audit was a full manual tally of all votes cast.”
    I got the heads up from reading Dominions lawsuit against the soon to be bankrupt Sydney Powell https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699/gov.uscourts.dcd.225699.1.0_3.pdf

  85. Avatar Serge says:

    Regarding the Big tech social media purge going on right now, I’ve said it before: the big tech deplatforming of ISIS in 2014-2016 is the blueprint by which they deplatformed outright White nationalists
    and people like Alex Jones in 2017-2018. These nationless companies will slowly but eventually snuff out all forms of dissent in the West that exists over the internet. In a world in which governments have the power to restrict individuals to their homes, the internet becomes the actual only public square. First they came for the jihadists and I said nothing because I was not a jihadist, then they came for the conspiracy nuts and white nationalists and I said nothing because I was neither of these, then when they came for me….how does that go again?

  86. Avatar Fred says:

    Christian,
    Georgia counted the same fraudulent votes a second time. Dominion will have fun with discovery.

  87. Avatar Richard Ong says:

    Trump incited no one.

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