The DOJ just unsealed the indictment. There are 38 counts, mostly willful retention of NDI with many of the documents described. His lawyers just resigned. I’m sure Willmann will have more to say in the coming days.
TTG
*My thanks to Master Sergeant Albert H. Rivers, USA Ret, my first Green Beret mentor for this apt gem.
I have heard and read that Trump has trouble keeping lawyers because he won’t behave himself and follow their advice, and also he tries to get away with not paying lawyers whenever he can.
The best and the brightest lawyers won’t work for him anymore. He will burn his way through the worst and the dimmest till his cases are resolved or until he runs out of those lawyers too.
Perhaps some fighting ideologically motivated fighting lawyers will take his case for free and as a difficult challenge.
Could be, but that’s not the issue is it.
for Billy R, can we look forward to Trump acting as his own lawyer? Heaven.
Hilarious but not the issue. Your individual freedom is though. You don’t understand that the swamp depends on you.
The swamp has been so hungry for this one for so long though.
I’ll take a swamp over scum anyday.
a swamp can be managed.
scum?
Imagine your spouse or loved one being charged with a crime and arrested but you were told sorry, you are not allowed to see the evidence. Only a handful of select people can see it.
If you are ok with that situation then you are also fine with any politician of any party in any country having the same exact thing happen to them. It’s not ok with me but if it’s ok with you I hope your loved one never talks to you again and you are also charged and arrested with nobody getting to see the evidence but you actually deserve it.
Babeltuap,
I think you pretty much must be given the evidence against you if there is a trial. It’s called discovery. Arraignment only give you the charges brought against you.
Generally speaking, if you try to stiff me I give you one second chance, and that’s it. I’ve had my own company for over 20 years, and only had that problem twice (once was unfortunately unavoidable as they were going out of business – but they did pay me in the end, just delayed by several months).
Two questions:
1. How committed were President Trump’s lawyers to President Trump?
2. If they were so committed, why did they resign?
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/09/trump-loses-two-lawyers-just-hours-after-being-indicted-00101263
With regard to the first question, see attorney for President Trump Jim Trusty speak
the night before the indictment was released and he resigned:
Trump lawyer: These charges are outrageous
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VGPmbWq0g48
As to why the two resigned AFTER the 49-page indictment was released,
Sundance gives his explanation here:
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/06/09/strategic-lawfare-at-work-they-didnt-resign-jack-smith-takes-down-two-trump-lawyers-using-compelled-testimony-creating-witnesses-within-indictment/
Yawn.
“At 12pm January 20, 2021, TRUMP ceased to be president” – wow that’s when it happened!
“…as he departed the White House, Trump caused scores of boxes…..”
WOW!!!!! OH WOW!!!!
AFTER he was president he ‘casued’ all those boxes to be moved to Mar-a-Largo. I wonder why all those government employees were working for an ex-President while they were still on the government time-clock?
“Trump was not authorized to possess or retain those classified documents”
WOW GOT HIM NOW!!!!
except he declassified them all and thus those were not classified documents nor “national security information”.
BUT BUT BUT
It was “National Security Information” oooohhhhh so that means it can NEVER ever be DECLASSIFIED and is perpetually that way?
“Trump was personally involved in this process” WOW OH WOW
Got him now: Shit’s on good buddies!!!!! YEAH!
Does “personally involved” mean
– he loaded every box
– he supervised the loading of every box
– he supervised loading some of the boxes but not all of the boxes
– he directed that the materials he wanted to keep be loaded, but did not watch every item be placed into any or all of the boxes
Shorter “Shit’s on, good buddy!” version:
TRUMP: prove your innocence now! ’cause we sure can’t let you get re-elected or you are going to purge the FBI/DOJ/DOD of all the corrupt jackasses that have been screwing the American people over for years.
The socialist dems created in America the system of political fear that existed in Stalin’s Russia. This isn’t surprising. The difference b/t socialism and communism is socialist bring in the guns n’ goons when people don’t accept socialism. But if you are in the party, what ever you wish commissar. There is no difference b/t the FIB/DOIJ and the KGB anymore.
I signed on for 3 in ’68 to defend America. I wouldn’t wear that uniform again.
According to legend Meyer Lansky shut down the FBI as regards looking into organized crime for decades by showing the dire rector J Edgar Hoover photographs of the director (who was photographed cross dressing and lived virtually married with his male 2nd in command for years) in the act of .. well, fragrante delicto with a young man. The screwing goes way back. Screwing the American people. Literally.
There is audio of Trump saying the documents are top secret classified documents, that he could have declassified them as president but now can’t of course.
So, not declassified.
John do you really believe this story about secret video, when the same people went to FISA courts and obtained search warrants based on FAKE dossier?
“…..you are going to purge the FBI/DOJ/DOD of all the corrupt jackasses that have been screwing the American people over for years.“
Fred,
Lol! What evidence is there that Trump has the courage and conviction to do that?
When he was POTUS, he hired his entire administration from the same Swamp. When he was advised of the coup plot by Devin Nunes of how the Hillary campaign colluded with the DOJ/FBI/CIA to destroy him personally he didn’t declassify any of the communications and documents. He instead passed the buck to Billy Barr.
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1667896395804622848?s=21
There couldn’t be clearer evidence he’s all hat and no cattle. This demonstrated character weakness is why he’s been indicted for classified documents mishandling. And not Panetta, Petraeus, Hillary, Biden, et al.
Leon Panetta leaked classified docs to Zero Dark Thirty producers for a pro-Obama movie. Obama’s CIA Director David Petraeus gave the most sensitive docs in the USG – names of covert agents – to his mistress. Hillary and Biden had them strewn over their house.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1667919815321739265?s=21
When playing the highest stakes, Trump wilted and now he’s been made an example for anyone challenging entrenched power. These are all power plays and the Deep State is demonstrating that to take them on is more than just rhetoric to win an election. A challenger has to be more ruthless than them.
The shit’s been on since Barak Obama directed IRS honcho Lois Lerner to audit Tea Party leaders back in 2012. The targets of Democrat directed political legal (Lawfare) warfare have become more important over the years.
From Tea Party peons to General Flynn, Peter Navarro, Bret Kavanaugh, etc… to Trump.
p s c,
Lois really made a bad deal on that tarmac with Clinton thinking a SC nomination was in the cards. I mean she had a wonderful chat about the grandkids and retirement, what with knowing Hilary would never be president and all.
Sorry Fred, you are confusing medium level apparatchik Lois Lerner with Tier 1 level Attorney General Loretta Lynch.
Yes. I am actually embarassed by that too; sorry. Lois, however, will keep her retirement income and fade into obscurity. Loretta will always remember she was replaced as a potential justice by a woman who doesn’t know what a woman is.
BO, as some people like to refer to him, put away more people for dubious violations related to “national security” than the sum total of all former administrations all the way back to George Washington. Given that we once had a McCarthy era, and a huge Cold War, that says quite a bit.
Did you ever notice that Parthenogenesis starts with Part Hen? And that baby Jesus’s last name started with a hard C just like Crocodile?
Well pay close attention because Dino Sour and his brother Piter Sour are starting in a new film reviewed below in today’s New York Times. I shouldn’t have been so sarcastic to Jim ticehurst yesterday replying to his message about Pope Francis which I saw later was highly relevant due to having read an article about his very recent peace feeler offer (please don’t take that the wrong way). The very next day after the Pope’s peace proposal the Times releasing this. Which if I am not mistaken is a thinly veiled attack on Christianity because to the highly literate (and warped a bit, yes) minds of the high officers of the Diplomatic community who absolutely must be able to detect veiled messages – it looks like it compares the infant Jesus to a murderous pleistocene era reptilian predator, namely a crocodile. If you’re still stuck, remember that Jesus, in the doctrines of the Christian Churches was born of a Virgin. Furthermore it suggests that necessarily the Holy Virgin Mary was .. I can’t bring myself to say it. This can’t be a coincidence. Consider the source. Fierce advocates of the War against Russia, which a successful envoy of the Vatican’s may have been able to pause or stop.
The swipe at Russia is apparent also. The brothers Petiro and Dino are Sourus, or Sour Rus. Rus is an reference to Russian lands and peoples of long standing.
Kindly accept my apologies Jim Ticehurst.
Scientists Discover a Virgin Birth in a Crocodile.
The act of reptile reproduction suggests that dinosaurs and pterosaurs may have been capable of parthenogenesis, too, much like the creatures in “Jurassic Park.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/06/science/crocodile-virgin-birth-parthenogenesis.html
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In January 2018, a female crocodile in a Costa Rican zoo laid a clutch of eggs. That was peculiar: She’d been living alone for 16 years.
While crocodiles can lay sterile eggs that don’t develop, some of this clutch looked quite normal. And one of them — in a plot twist familiar to anyone who has watched “Jurassic Park” — continued to mature in an incubator. In this case, life did not, uh, find a way, as the egg eventually yielded a perfectly formed but stillborn baby crocodile.
In a paper out Wednesday in the journal Biology Letters, a team of researchers report that the baby crocodile was a parthenogen — the product of a virgin birth, containing only genetic material from its mother.
Fox News “legal go to” Turley left the cable TV’s hosts depressed, in calling the Trump indictment, “damaging”
“…It’s overwhelming in details. And you know, the Trump team should not fool itself.
These are hits below the waterline.
These are witnesses who apparently testified under oath, gave statements to federal investigators, both of which can be criminally charged if they’re false. Those witnesses are directly quoting the president in encouraging others not to look for documents or allegedly to conceal them.
It’s damaging.
There are a lot of people who are testifying under oath and they’re saying highly incriminating things with regard to these charges …”
al,
The witnesses before the grand jury testified under oath? Why golly when has that ever happened before? What did the defense present and what did those witnesses answer ‘under oath’? Oh, that doesn’t happen during grand juries?
Fred, jump on Truleys web site and ask those questions of him. I’m not an interpreter of right wingers for other right wingers.
Al,
You mean after all these years you offended when someone reminds you how grand juries work.
Are you classifying Turley as rightwinger, Al? Curious foreign nitwit question.
LeaNder,
Turley is not a right winger. He is a libertarian who was a strong supporter of Trump and spoke out against Democrats regularly. He strongly supported impeaching Clinton, but just as strongly spoke against impeaching Trump.
I believe there a few intelligent people posting so want a opinion
Of the movie What is a Woman that I saw on twitter last week.
That’s if you watched it
for al, you can be sure that the witnesses who testified before the grand jury will not disappear like the GOP whistleblowers. Trump has been indicted so now we can get on to the fun part, the actual trial.
Unless of course Trump declares on Truth Social that he is guilty (oh wait, he has already done that)
PR, You talking about those fake “Whistleblowers” that Jordan and Comer got laughed out on for their “dog and pony show”?
Yep. Comer on Fox explaining how he lost his informants “these informants are in, kind of, the spy business, so they don’t make a habit of being seen a lot, ..”
the dog was fed polonium biscuits & the pony had to be put down before it made it to the starting gate. please, keep up w/ the Daily Conspiracy Newsletter.
Al, do you know what happened to all those guys who signed FISA documents under oath to get the survelence of American Citizen?
Ironies of ironies: In 2018 trump signed into law Section 1924 that upgraded wrongly moving governmental documents from a misdemeanor to a felony. Part of his tuff-guy/lock-her-up act aimed at Hillary.
As many have noted, Trump is his own worst enemy.
Amazing how many now find contrived reasons to defend a loose lips stealer of highly sensitive national secrets.
Trump is surely to be on the reality show: The Hoarders.
These pictures of boxes containing classified docs in the pool bathroom, stacked on the ball room stage, etc reminds me of hoarders on reality television.
The Feds have pic taken by Nauta of the bathroom storage where he observed a doc with”Top Secret” markings. Which he then foolishly texted on to another staff.
Amazingly there are no footprints on the “classified”cover sheets spread all over the floor, just like they were spread on purpose for a photo to be released to the press. On a bright note he didn’t store them in a garage next to z climate changing corvette from the unleaded boomer era.
Fred, none of your “but, but but, what aboutisms” mutterings are in play anymore! If they ever were.
“What abouts” are arguments left on kids playgrounds.
Fred, your statement, “… Amazingly there are no footprints on the “classified”cover sheets spread all over the floor, just like they were spread on purpose for a photo to be released to the press..”, reveals a significant level of ignorance as to how the DOJ conducted the “raid” on Mar-a-Logo. Yes, the docs were purposely placed on the containing room’s carpeting, with distinct carpet makings, to tie the docs to the room….a standard investigation procedure.
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Yes Al, just like leaking information to CNN before the serving of the search warrant. Or after a grand jury hearing. SOP.
As Deadpool would say, “This shit has nuts in it.”
Gentlemen, Ladies, (Lesbians? Ok maybe) Non Binaries and Non Brainys, this has come to my attention:
https://www.bylinesupplement.com/p/boris-johnsons-rise-and-fall-exposes
It’s the continuing saga of Rocky Raccoon, no, Boris Johnson. I haven’t read it yet and probably won’t. I only wanted to remark that Clown World appears to be suffering a takedown, curiously or not simultaneously, on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean. Relevance? Uncertain, calendrical, budgetary and or electric, er, electoral or was something decided over one of Mr Big’s poker or bridge tables, I certainly don’t know. Is it some occult spectacle enacted behind the cypresses of sacrificial groves which is meant to show evil disctators that we depose our deep posers, i.e. elected ofal, sorry officials? Also unknown, but doubt it. If it’s paywalled (it doesn’t seem to be here but my subscription -free- info may linger in browser caches, fooling me) try this:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/uk/uk-boris-johnson-stepping-down-intl/index.html
Or not. Have a good day.
Because of the spooky nature of some things, you don’t need me to tell you that it may indicate a link between Blonde Bozo and Orange Bozo that the weirdos that be would not want aired. I doubt it, but how juicy if so. Is Blonde Bozo losing some testifying immunity in courts here or over yonder by having his MP status quashed? The bluebird of professional endowment training has not smiled on my lowly status in sufficient regard so that I might know . Continue to have a nice day.
Orange Bozo? Forsooth, my granddaughters calls him the Maybelline Man. Don’t know where they got that, I thought they went out of business before they were born. But they used to listen to my Golden Oldies, so maybe they were thinking of the Chuck Berry song?
Maybelline is a cosmetics company who recently used, guess what, a male for a yearly model that’s been female since 1917. If you just ate lunch, shield your eyes, it isn’t worth it. You’ll never figure out what goes through the minds of many of these kids who’ve been inundated with woke propaganda. I have a retired friend in Las Vegas with the most straight arrow life you can imagine, right out of the Donna Reed 1950s. His 18 yr old daughter comes back from college vacation and tells him she’s decided she’s non-binary. I’ve met her. She’s as non-binary as a computer science blackboard after a lesson on integer storage and addition. If this is on the right track, your granddaughter has an interesting sense of humour. I guess he wears a lot of makeup – to look tan I guess or for cameras & film.
In C Berry’s song, Maybelline is “untrue” and has “started out doin’ the things you used to do”. Can she mean that Trump is a serial philandering adulterous lecher? And he’s Maybelline. Our generation lives on a distant planet from their’s.
https://www.glamour.com/story/manny-gutierrez-maybelline-campaign
F&L –
I’d fund a Chair in Physics at a University of your choice if they could send me far enough back in time to un-see your glamour link photo.
Please remind me to spurn your click-bait ambushes in the future.
Leith,
You’re such an impolite b, I’m forthwith not responding to anything from you any further. I specifically warned you not to look, but instead of saying I see what you mean, you insulted me.
You might catch up with your very bright and extremely witty granddaughter’s level one day if you live another 12,900 years but I really doubt it
You couldn’t even understand the hilarious multivalued joke she was making with her reference:
The Maybelline Man.
The Marlboro Man.
Still can’t get it that trump tries to look tough and wears tons of makeup and ridicules people who are different? See the Ma, the b inboth the same three syllables and the entire parallel? No. Of course not. But you know the names of Weep Upons.
What a Machinegoro Man you are. Or just Macho?
F&L – as Foreign Secretary Johnson, if he knew about it, condoned the Russiagate scam Dearlove and Steele cooked up that dogged Trump throughout his Presidency. As Prime Minister he certainly knew about it but still kept quiet. Johnson’s swamp through and through and that “link” between the two men isn’t one I’d imagine Trump is at all grateful for.
His resignation was an astute political move. Never let a thumping good disgrace go to waste is his motto and it’s a motto that’s always served him well. As a side benefit, it’ll give him more time to try and beat Blair’s record for the amount of money raked in by an out of office Prime Minister. He needs lots of money because offspring keep popping up all over the place. So no gender confusion there, not for our Boris, and many expect to see him returned to political life after Sunak screws up the next election.
Many even hope for it. Just one possible hitch. You christen him the “Blonde Bozo”. There you identify his weak point. That tousled mop of hair gives him, they say, the charisma all other British politicians so sadly lack. It distracts attention from the shifty eyes beneath. If he ever goes bald he’ll be, politically speaking, a dead man walking.
When I was working, I had a case with a person who borrowed $5,000 from a bank to buy a used car that was not worth the scrap value listed for it, and then just split the money(which of course she had no intention of paying back) with the dealer. My job was enforcing the Used Car Lemon Law, and the car was just not safe for the junkyard, so we went forward with the complaint.
As she is describing this whole, sordid affair to me, she says, ‘ the bank would be mad if they found out…” I said, Mam, they might call it fraud and prosecute you, but that ain’t my job.” This happened all the time because people had the idea that I was their advocate/best friend.
This is what Trump reminds me of in the quoted text. He cannot help but blather on about how he knows that he is breaking the rules, and then basically brag about it. It’s kind of like a literary tragic flaw, and as I have said at other times, if I liked him more I would feel pity and compassion for someone so very flawed that they cannot make decisions that are in their own selfish interest effectively. But I don’t, and I don’t, and I hope that this goes very, very badly for him.
He also reminds me of that basketball owner who, when he got into trouble for racist ranting, was so roundly hated by everyone who he ever knew or did business with that nobody would stand up to defend him. It is somehow nice to see his defenders in the Committee defending him still. Loyalty which I consider misguided is still refreshing.
Kareem stood up for the owner.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar wrote a column for one of the LA Area papers and spoke up for the “rich old white guy” who happened to be Jewish. The slander against the man was ridiculous and more scandalous than his reputed ethical language. It centered around a woman the old capitalist moneybags was seeing. A young woman. Who went everywhere under the sun in the company of the basketball team players or their friends, many all at once. She talked about the old man behind his back to these male individuals. Not in a nice way and it was well known. The guy paid for everything thing she did and for the huge salaries of the players. The old fellow was taped, covertly, asking her why, please, kept humiliating him like this. He simply asked her not to go about her business in such a public manner. He didn’t ask or insist on anything else. She, or other highly dubious entities played it in the media that he was a dirty old racist (she wasn’t black, but her friends were). He wasn’t.
Kareem wrote a column which basically said give me a damn break people, is she a delicate little saint? Are those boyfriends? The man said nothing racist, no threats, no firings, didn’t reduce her benefits. And why, Kareem asked, is no one, not one single person asking the main question I’d like to know the answer to – how did that get taped? Who is taping this man’s private conversations?
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The man who wrote the above junior hs level rant has confessed under interrogation that:
1-He wrote that from memory
2-he should have checked it for accuracy but was too lazy, it might have inaccuracies, but it was more interesting this way he said
3-He’s pretty sure he got the essence of Kareem’s objection but maybe Kareem said c’mon get over this n-word obsession, us homies use it all the time, or words to that effect
4- no Kareem did not say “what you expect from an old honkie,” no he didn’t
5- After intense torture and confinement without light or water he admitted that everything you said about trump is 100% right.
6- he wanted to add that there exists the concept of the righteous man who goes to extreme lengths to hide his true nature in order to accomplish his tasks amongst the pitiless evil, merciless and vile selfish forces of this world. We asked him his estimation of the odds that Trump is one of those righteous men, but he died, due to the injuries suffered during his interrogation.
F&L,
I suppose it’s good that you can give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but he established a long history of being a no good shit long before he became president.
TTG,
You don’t have the imaginative capacity to fathom how upset I was as it dawned on me that he was being elected. Or else you’ve got superstock capacitors and wiring with calibrated cylinders. I was reading the Lives of the Saints this morning and was actually moved to tears. I guess it went to my head.
TTG,
“no good shit long”
That’s why Hollywood loved him; and the whole “affirmative action” crowd that gave him all those awards over all those years . But if it eases your mind I concur with the late Col. Lang – he’s a boor.
The black girlfriend whose friends he was disparaging taped the conversation. This is not a secret, and I am not sure why you don’t know that.
Kareem standing up for the guy? Great, you are still standing up for The Fuckwit Messiah(C). You are in….company doing that. Loyalty is great, even when misplaced, but I wonder what Kareem would have said if it was all directed at him. It is easy to say “get over it” about stuff that happens to someone else.
Honestly though, it is difficult to figure out if you are saying that Kareem did or did not defend the guy.
I have no idea what you are trying to say with the numbered points. Who was tortured?
No. I’m saying that possibly the horrendous foreign policy blob or Borg or “Establishment” caused Papa Trump to blow a fuse or two and descend into confusingly weird tailspins that in the end he couldn’t pull out of and so he crashed. Pass a constitutional amendment, quickly, to the effect that this man can’t run for president again. With the 29 million lawyers and public relations conmen and comedy scriptwriters on hand, it shouldn’t be too hard. We’re you born without a sense of humour? It happens.
F&L,
Trump was no peach before he became president. He was a male version of Leona Helmsley, New York’s queen of mean. The biggest difference is that Helmsley, at least, loved her dog.
TTG,
You’re 100% right. I’m just trying to put “text” out there that might help the Powers that Say Neep!, to bring the Clown Show to a quicker conclusion. It’s silly to expect they will, they are like Antaeus who got stronger whenever Hercules smashed him into the earth. Earth was his mother, Hercules’ strategy backfired. I keep forgetting that the Powers that Say Neep! have as mother, Mirth, not Earth, and my strategy is probably as lousy as was Hercules.
PS: I lived in NY during the Leona saga. Wretched. It was nationwide media sensation so you saw it too. My only possible advantage, not a pleasant one, was that I knew well a ne’er do well who circulated in those media circles and elsewhere, probably for the purposes of obtaining blackmail information on behalf of other complex power nexuses that I was too young to understand at the time. From the little he let on, they were a really nasty bunch, including some of the media figures. Since you’ve worked in intelligence, you know this far better than I do.
rick,
Bill Barr might have nailed it in his recent interview. Said Trump’s egotism prompts him to act outrageously for confirmation of his special greatness and the thrill of getting away with it.
The mystery is why he tried so hard to hold on to those docs. I would guess, in a couple years or so when and if this goes to trial, his fate will rest on the nature of the docs. If it was mundane BS, reports on the odd proclivities some leaders or the 11 herbs and spices of KFC, a jury might be convinced to cut him some slack. War plans, nuke secrets et al, not so much.
I would LOVE to understand the actual disposition of all those documents (as well as a full list of them). I’m sure I’m not the only one…
PeterHug,
So would I, but we’re not going to get a full listing. Some of the classification markings were even redacted on those 31 documents listed. Some we will never hear about because of their sensitivity, at least for 45 years or so. Another thing we haven’t heard about is the large binder (a foot and a half) of documents called the Russia papers that Trump wrote the memo on 19 January 2020 declassifying them pending a redaction review by DOJ and DoD. That was supposed to contain the absolute proof that Russia was a hoax. I seriously doubt the binder contained what Trump thought it would or we would have heard something about it from Durham. As far as I know, the binder was not among the Mar-a-Lago documents.
I have absolutely no desire to know any of the details personally, but I want “us” institutionally to know – and I really don’t think we’re going to get a handle on that either. I’d be willing to bet money that Trump doesn’t really know everything he took, or what actually happened to all of it. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d shown some of it to foreign nationals, but I also would expect he didn’t keep records and honestly no longer remembers just what he showed to whom.
This is basically a fucking multispectral full-on catastrophe from an information control standpoint, and I don’t think it can be undone.
PeterHug,
Standard practice is to assume all documents out of government control to be compromised and to take measures based on that assumption. I was running the Russian collection team when Robert Hanssen was arrested for espionage. We changed a lot of things even though there was no evidence that he compromised any of our sources.
TTG,
As far as I can see, it’s pretty much just a maximum-credible nightmare, and I do not envy the people dealing with this one little bit.
TTG,
(Addendum):
I’m not at all sure we have a good understanding of just what documents Trump took, let alone where they are and who might have had access to them.
Peter Hug,
We have a lot of history in prosecuting espionage, and in most cases it appear the gist of the materials become known, just not the details. The nature of Pollard’s materials were clearly on the table for his trial, anyway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard
Seems extremely unlikely we will see more detail than that though.
Mark,
LOL Trump was, let’s see, colluding with Russia to get elected; nah, not that; Ukraine, turns out that wasn’t so; who is it now? Saving the Iranians, but doing so by bloviating about it at a golf club in NJ? Proof being in that audio tape refering to a ‘document’ the DOJ doesn’t have. But by all means just like that hero of our best ally in the middle east, Isreal, who paid Pollard for the info they passed to the USSR. I wonder what this will turn into come October surprise time.
Fred,
Trump colluding with the Kremlin? There was no way Trump would willingly submit to being Putin’s flunky in such a scheme, not with his ego. But Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager and chief strategist passing critical campaign data to Kilimnik and Deripaska was a clear example of collusion. The meeting with the Russian lawyer to receive damaging info on Clinton was another example of collusion. The Senate Intel Committee, run by Republicans, agreed that all this was collusion.
The writer and publisher who Trump showed the Iran strike plan document and who probably recorded the meeting could be prosecution witnesses to seeing that classified document. The question to Trump will be what did he do with it after that meeting. Even Trump’s two staff members could rat him out. I doubt Trump gave a rat’s ass about Iran. He was focused on bad mouthing Miley at that meeting.
I don’t think he can help himself, he CANNOT play anything straight. it’s kind of sad to see a human being so messed up, that, again, they cannot be effectively selfish, even with the deck stacked in their favor.
in a biz career, of course you’d run into characters w/o character. a few were outstanding. one of the best descriptions I ever heard was of a guy described to me (in prep for a first-time mtg); “he’d rather skinny up a greased phone pole naked than tell the truth… even when there’s no point in lying.” yes, this was in the South.
Regardless of the hilarious and ridiculous pearl clutching, it would be a much bigger scandal if he was not charged.
You’re right. But it will possibly be another very profitable click-fest clown show. It’s worn me out. Trump and COVID, then Biden and world war. Biden is the real true vampire sadist. The threat is always more powerful than the executivion so we get to live for years worrying about nuclear war and God knows what else. And he’s older than the hills and Kamala could take over! I guess he works for whoever makes valium and Xanax.
Lars
No being charged in this case is the battery method.He is being charged to produce proper twitch.
Even r.desantis the lawyer has come to his rescue.
This is called being charged by booster.
One has the swagger and one has the stick.
This simply means that a war party is being assembled
Ironic:
“As the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief, I have a unique, Constitutional responsibility to protect the Nation’s classified information, including by controlling access to it. . . . More broadly, the issue of [a former executive branch official’s] security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our Nation’s most sensitive secrets long after their time in Government has ended. Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks. Any access granted to our Nation’s secrets should be in furtherance of national, not personal, interests.”
As President of the United States, on July 26, 2018, TRUMP issued the above statement about classified information.
For al. Exactly how much of that statement was Trump actually capable of reading, let alone comprehending?
“[a former executive branch official’s]”
I don’t understand.
What is the problem with being explicit about what we are talking about?
I think this business of vagueness or coyness is leading to real problems.
In particular, in the quotation above.
And BTW, it is not clear who introduced the coyness.
Lets go to THE TAPE. The meeting at which FORMER President Trump used a Iran document to badmouth Gen Mark Milley:
Upon greeting the Mark Meadows bio writer publisher, and his two staff members, TRUMP stated, “Look what I found, this was Milley’s plan of attack, read it and just show . . . it’s interesting.”
TRUMP: —uh, let me see that, I’ll show you an example. He said that I wanted to attack [Country A]. Isn’t it amazing? I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this—this is off the record, but—they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him.
WRITER: Wow.
TRUMP: We looked at some. This was him. This wasn’t done by me, this was him. All sorts of stuff—pages long, look.
STAFFER: Mm.
TRUMP: Wait a minute, let’s see here.
STAFFER: [Laughter] Yeah.
TRUMP: I just found, isn’t that amazing? This totally wins my case, you know.
STAFFER: Mm-hm.
TRUMP: Except it is like, highly confidential.
STAFFER: Yeah. [Laughter]
TRUMP: Secret. This is secret information. Look, look at this. You attack, and
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Then further into the tape Trump acknowledges that he can not declassify such a classified document.
Al,
How did this tape, alledgedly presented to the grand jury, make to the press? More DOJ SOP? Fortunately NJ is not a two party cosent state so that means….
anybody with the tape could leak it in full, or edit it and leak it.
Walls are closing in. Because of badmouthing Milley, over Iran. Because of the tape leaked to the press; which is nothing like that Charlottesville “fine people” tape. Not at a chance.
Fred,
It made the press because it was part of the indictment. The grand jury probably got from an FBI interview with the writer or staffer who recorded the conversation, with Trump’s knowledge and consent, while talking/listening to Trump in his Bedminster club office. I’m sure that is DOJ/FBI SOP.
Fred here is more of the fake assertions that Trump can readily declassify docs:
Even Trump agreed upon leaving the White House that a process was required to declassify.
A July 14, 2022 email from Gary Stern, the general counsel of the Archives, to Kash Patel, Trump’s designated representative to the archives, noted that Trump had signed a declassification order for the papers on Jan. 19, 2021, on the same day that Meadows removed them from the White House. But in that same order, Stern pointed out, did not declassify the documents…Trump agreed to wait until the FBI made final recommendations for redactions to the documents before they were declassified.”
So, Trump had acknowledge in this declassification order that a redaction process had to occur prior to actual declassification.
Al,
There’s no document therefor he is guilty. Got it. Except that applies to OTHER people decalssifying things. Like all this stuff:
https://www.nsa.gov/Press-Room/News-Highlights/Article/Article/1623741/nsa-releases-thousands-of-wwii-era-documents-to-national-archives/
TTG:
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/2016/09/30/martha-raye/22389083007/
MJ,
I think that’s a different Al Rivers. He looks far too young. The Al Rivers I knew looked like he was weathering in the wild for about 100 years back in 1973 when I first met him, although he was just in his 30s.
TTG,
If you are one of those incredibly handsome, outrageously trim and fit US Army officers holding submachine guns in the foreground, I am jealous. You might even be as handsome as my former mentor from the Lonestar state who was ritual fire keeper of the Cherokee nation, years after his 9 years of service in the United States Marine Corps. But it’s hard to tell.
Time to grade the Signal Corpse Weekly Quiz for the course: Schizophrenic Code-breaking In Focus.. It’s brief this week.
Raise hands, our all seeing eye sees all. We can count.
X) Recall that “Military Valet” Matine Nauta has .. well..
A) Those who figured out that if X is true then the gentleman is most likely a member of the United States Matine Corps?
B) That If Matine is a Lieutenant, then “Lt Matine” is an anagram for Intel Atm?
We accept proposals regarding the question: But what if he is Captain Matine? Only from those who answered A and B correctly within the time limit.
F&L,
That vintage photo is of MACV-SOG Recon Team Nebraska with MSG Al Rivers as team leader, called a one zero (10). He was one of three 10s that I had the privilege of working with in my Army career, including a MOH recipient. I learned from each one of them. Al Rivers was the most influential because I spent two and a half years under his tutelage as an ROTC cadet. Army TRADOC sent a Green Beret to most of it’s ROTC detachments right after the end of the Viet Nan War. It was one of the best decisions the Army ever made in my opinion.
But I also cut a handsome figure in my younger, active duty days. I sported a solidly non-regulation mustache and, for a time, carried an AKMS with RPK drum magazine. Even today, at 70, I could easily wear one of the old/new Ike jackets and still look good in uniform. A lot of people can’t do that without looking like Ralph Cramden.
BTW, Waltine Nauta enlisted as a cook in the Navy and retired as a senior chief petty officer.
Thanks. The Navy. The Village People had a song.
Let’s not make a list of the Presidents who were Navy, it’s too long. Naval Intelligence (Woodward) took down Tricky Dicky because they didn’t like his opening to China. Tricky Dicky was USN. So were, let’s see, Carter and Bush who more or less replaced him. So was Lieutenant Commander Gerald Ford, who actually did.
So, you’re not in the picture. My evil daddy the four engine bomber navigator told me all about the United States Navy. Practically his last words on earth to me were the words: Do you know what was the most impressive thing I ever saw in my life?
No dad, what?
The Fleet!
For a guy who had Enrico Fermi and Edward Teller over to the house for cocktails, and whose wife curiously seemed to know the names of several of the crew of the Enola Gay, it seemed to say a lot.
Before his death he explained that his plane had dived under some clouds over the Pacific for some reason and to everyone’s surprise but great relief they saw the huge Pacific ocean filled with US Navy boats “stretched from horizon steaming to Japan, to end the war.” I guess the war really got to him. Or he was grateful to some naval fighter pilots from an aircraft carrier who chased away some zeroes which very very nearly shot them down. Who knows? Still, I never liked the man. But he was smart, TTG, really smart. And you would lose a contest with him on who could run a tighter ship, badly (even though I understand that you can run one very well). And that ruined my life.
I told you before – Nauta – a dead giveaway. And thanks for the heads up on the United States Matine Corps, who could have guessed?
Former Att Gen Bill Barr on Fox News:
“What about this chief argument that comes up for the president’s allies and his legal team that this should have been handled under the Presidential Records Act, not this Espionage Act charge and other federal statutes that were used here?” host Shannon Bream wondered.
“It started out under the Presidential Records Act and the archives trying to retrieve documents that Trump had no right to have,” Barr replied. “But it quickly became clear that what the government was really worried about were these classified and very sensitive documents.”
Barr said he was “shocked by the degree of sensitivity of these documents and how many there were.””And so the government’s agenda was to get those, protect those documents, and get them out,” he continued. “And I think it was perfectly appropriate to do that. It was the right thing to do.”
“And I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he willfully retained those documents are solid counts,” Barr added. “But I do think that even half of what Andy McCarthy said, which is if even half of it is true, then he’s toast. I mean, it’s a pretty, it’s a very detailed indictment, and it’s very, very damning.
“This idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt is ridiculous…He’s not a victim here. He was totally wrong.”
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1667918851596533760?s=21
Leaking classified info is how the national security apparatus and the media work together. This is very much how DC operates. Prosecuting Trump now is based on the belief that the UniParty rule will continue for a good long time. If there were 2 different actual political parties it would mean that a precedent has been set that whenever the opposing party returns to power they’ll prosecute the leaders of the other political party and impeach a sitting president whenever the opposite party wins a majority of the House. This basically means if you are perceived by the Deep State as antithetical to their interests you’ll be continuously harassed and prosecuted for crimes that will not be prosecuted if you’re aligned with them.
Sam,
Deliberately releasing classified info is different from leaking classified info. A deliberate release, approved by the classifying authority, though certainly not always of benevolent intent, is legal.