Beth Casella’s family has been making things out of metal in Dayton, Ohio, for more than half a century. FC Industries — the company started by her grandfather, Frank — has grown into an $85 million local manufacturing business, churning out everything from high-tech centrifuges to La-Z-Boy recliner frames. “We’re growing,” Casella says. “We keep breaking records, month after month.”
Finding workers to sustain that growth has not been easy, especially since the pandemic, in a city where the unemployment rate is just 5%. Casella has relied in part on immigrants, who now make up about 10% of FC Industries’ 300-plus-person workforce. “We’ve always prided ourselves on being very diverse,” Casella says. “Three of my grandparents were immigrants.”
The company has partnered with a local refugee resettlement agency to help recruit workers. Bilingual employees are paid extra to act as translators, and the company is setting up an English class. It’s not altruism, Casella says. Just good business. “We want good workers,” she says. “We want people who can grow here and grow us to the next level. And we’re open to looking wherever that could be.”
It’s not just Casella’s company. Nationwide, immigrants are a vital force in powering the American job machine and keeping the U.S. economy humming. Over the last 12 months, nearly 1.5 million foreign-born workers have joined the labor force — legally or illegally. In the same period the population of U.S.-born workers has shrunk.
The broader data shows that immigrants are not displacing native workers, but rather filling a hole that’s been created by retiring baby boomers. Were it not for immigration, job growth likely would have stalled. And that’s doubly true in places like Dayton — an aging industrial city with a population that’s half the size it was in 1960.
Dayton rolls out the welcome mat for immigrants
While nearby Springfield, Ohio, has become a lightning rod in the national debate over immigration, Dayton has been working for more than a decade to lure more immigrants, to help fill jobs and revitalize old neighborhoods. Dayton dubs itself an “immigrant friendly city” and launched a program in 2011 to make services more accessible to newcomers and integrate them into the local community. “Our goal is to make Dayton a welcoming place for everybody,” says City Commissioner Matt Joseph, who helped spearhead the “Welcome Dayton” initiative.
Joseph, who has business cards printed in Spanish, Mandarin and Croatian, says there was some pushback, but not much “Most of the people who complained about it came from out of town,” he recalls. “Sometimes out of state. Like, they would drive hours to come to our meeting to complain about it. But native Daytonians didn’t, which I was really proud of.” In a survey last year, 57% of Dayton residents said they’d be happy to have an immigrant family next door. That’s down from 70% three years ago. City officials suspect hostile rhetoric from national politicians is partly to blame for the decline.
One immigrant’s journey from Payless Shoes to trucking company owner
Some of the new arrivals have started their own businesses, like Moh Fardeen Ahmadi, who moved to Dayton from Afghanistan, where he’d worked as a translator for the U.S. military. When he arrived a decade ago, Ahmadi spent a year working at Payless Shoes, then got a job as a truck driver. Eventually, he started his own trucking company with Afghan, Arab, Latino and U.S.-born employees. “I started with one truck,” Ahmadi says. “I have nine trucks now. I have a total of 10 drivers. And I have three dispatchers. And I have a guy working in my office too.” Since the Taliban’s takeover of Afghanistan three years ago, more than 100 other Afghans have settled in Dayton. Ahmadi calls it a second chance to rebuild their lives.
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/20/nx-s1-5108947/immigrants-ohio-dayton-economy-job-growth
Comment: This article is mostly about Dayton, but the situation is similar to Springfield. The primary difference is that Dayton city leaders were proactive in supporting and integrating immigrants into their community. It wasn’t just the non-profit support agencies and business community doing it on their own as in Springfield. A lot of this was due to the efforts of now Dayton City Commissioner Matt Joseph. He also serves as the Chair of the Welcome Dayton Committee, a community initiative that promotes immigrant integration into the greater Dayton community since 2011.
As the full NPR article makes clear, Dayton’s full bore effort to welcome and integrate immigrants has paid off. It’s not a sanctuary city. Dayton bills itself as an immigrant friendly city. As Joseph says, “This is the best the city has done in 50 years — since before I was born,” Joseph says. “And welcoming immigrants, welcoming everyone, has played a role in that.”
I think this kind of effort should be a major part of addressing our future approach to immigration. On a nationwide level, the non-profit Welcome America Network can guide communities to replicate the success experienced by Dayton. And it is on the community level that the immigration issue will be solved. But it will also take the Federal government enacting the right policies to get a better handle on illegal immigration and asylum. Biden’s Humanitarian Parole Program along with his tougher regulations on immigrants and asylum seekers on the southern border is moving in the right direction.
TTG
And a few links to the Haitian situation in Springfield. The first two are from a local Springfield newspaper.
There is a lot more to this story. Are they paying for health insurance plans for these illegal aliens? Maternity leave for both illegal men and women? What about vacation policies and sick leave for those needing transition surgery. I would bet a couple of Lazy Boy fully assembled chairs they are not.
As for the English classes it’s not needed. They could have learned English for free on a cell phone app before they illegally entered since most of them do in fact have cell phones.
We do need workers but we probably would not if we had not entered WW I, WWII, Vietnam and all the other pointless wars and banning Planned Parenthood and abortion clinics which have killed millions of healthy future workers.
What is going on now with this invasion reeks of panic. Not enough people to vote for, work for and protect the ruling class. Gotta get them from somewhere and fast.
babelthuap,
Firstly, they are not illegal aliens. They were admitted to the US as legitimate immigrants and often, humanitarian parolees. FC Industries offers the following benefits to employees:
– Weekly paychecks
– Competitive pay (premium for 2nd shift)
– Profit sharing
– Medical/dental/vision
– Life insurance and short-term/long-term disability
– Immediate holiday pay & earned paid time off
– 401k retirement savings with company match
– 100% tuition reimbursement
– On-site café/convenience store
– Wellness program with incentives
– Corporate partner discounts
– Family/team culture that values communication and growth
– Fun perks such as gift cards, 50/50 drawings, picnics, holiday parties, employee appreciation days…and more!
BTW, I think you owe me a couple of Lazy Boy chairs.
TTG,
Your sources of information are incorrect. TPS is a temporary program and there are plenty of people who did not enter that way. FC industries hired 30 people There are thousands of Haitians in the area.
“The Supreme Court unanimously rules that Temporary Protection Status (TPS) is not an “inspected and admitted” arrival into the United States. The Court places restrictions against those under TPS who did not enter the United States formally from obtaining permanent residency.”
Not enough info in the article as I stated. You would have to check legal status of everyone that works there. How are you going to do that exactly?
babelthuap,
I’m not going to do it. I would think FC Industries HR department would do so. Otherwise they’d be foolish to talk to NPR about their immigrant employees.
Babel…a bit of “Lazy Boy” assumptions in that posting!
The second half of this performance is the finest rendition of Woodie Guthrie’s famous ballad I’ve ever heard. Not surprised – these are Irishmen. I checked thru out of curiosity about a dozen renditions of the original played by America groups and was disappointed but not surprised to find that no one can perform it with nearly the requisite elan and panache that it requires. I found gruel and weak dishwater in place of a hearty nourishing stew. Did YouTube censor the rousing versions which I expected must be in circulation because they feared an inspiring song of protest my undermine the monopization and aquisition of all farmland by Gill Bates, Blackstone etc? Probably not though it’s easily possible these days. More likely it’s just decay of our previous human resources, though there are still a few excellent performers of bluegrass. Our spiritual traditions are preserved in our music and these days I am bombarded by the most nauseatingly violent and grossly misogynistic “rap” whenever I make it to the neighborhood stores to shop. Try to imagine the courts of the Sun King, Frederick the Great or Catherine the Great listening to “I blasted that bitch’s pussy then I broke her ribs so I went to her apartment and I destroyed her baby’s crib” rather than Bach, Vivaldi or Couperin and Handel. A few years ago I related to Colonel Lang that this monstrously divided country would never come together until it would be permissible for an adequate performance of Dixie to be performed (there are none at the moment). I stand by that assertion. You need to visit the Emerald Isle to find a proper rendition of one of our finest folk songs. So to compromise, when the singer switches from Let the People Sing, to This Land is Your Land, simply read along with Woody Guthrie’s original lyrics below.
(By the way I increasingly think the Old Man was correct that this nation may come apart at the seams. Videos of Chicago and Philadelphia partying and racing cars on highways which I’ve viewed on X recently are appalling).
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Let the People Sing – This Land is Your Land | Charlie and the Bhuoys
https://youtu.be/lbssswOPxsk
This land is your land, and this land is my land
From California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me
As I went walking that ribbon of highway
And I saw above me that endless skyway
I saw below me that golden valley
This land was made for you and me
I roamed and rambled, and I’ve followed my footsteps
To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts
All around me, a voice was sounding
This land was made for you and me
There was a big, high wall there that tried to stop me
A sign was painted said “Private Property”
But on the backside, it didn’t say nothing
This land was made for you and me
When the sun come shining, then I was strolling
And the wheat fields waving, and the dust clouds rolling
The voice was chanting as the fog was lifting
This land was made for you and me
This land is your land, and this land is my land
From California to the New York island
From the Redwood Forest to the Gulf Stream waters
This land was made for you and me.
F&L,
We had a formal music program in grammar school from at least 4th grade through 8th grade. It might have started earlier, but I don’t remember. There was a music teacher on faculty. It consisted mainly of singing American songs including “This land is your land.” This damned near all white New England school had us singing all manner of historical folk songs including Dixie and Goober Peas. We also learned “Negro Spirituals” like “Dem Bones Gonna Rise Again.” I remember that one vividly because it sent me to the Principal’s office. We were singing it as a class and I was really getting into it. The music apparently signaled the class to stop at one point. I wasn’t paying attention and continued to belt out the line “Dem bones gonna rise again” in an unauthorized solo performance. The class was silent except for my friend sitting next to me who was doubled over in prolonged laughter. I think it was the prolonged laughter that pissed off the music teacher. We were both sent to the Principal’s office.
We did too TTG. Also learned songs of the Civil War. “Tenting Tonight, on the Old Campground” “We’ll Rally Round the Flag” etc. My folks had a dual LP set of Civil War songs of the North and South demarked blue and grey. It must have been a huge bestseller because the musical quality was top notch and the liner notes too. Probably very hard to find now.
Apropos of nothing this song moved me to tears this morning:
Sean South of Garryowen | Charlie and the Bhuoys
https://youtu.be/VdGMkYFTTrg
In fact, Sean South was a Limerick man.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sean_South_(song)
Sean South of Garryowen” is a song about Seán South, (written by Seán Costelloe) a member of the Pearse Column of the Irish Republican Army, who was fatally wounded during the attack on Brookeborough barracks in 1957. It is sung to the same tune as “Roddy McCorley”.[1] The words were first published in the Irish Catholic, the Irish weekly Roman Catholic newspaper, within a week of South’s death.[2]
Contrary to popular belief, South was not actually from the area of Garryowen, this being poetic licence on the part of the writer. The song was translated into Swedish in 2008 by musicians Björn Alling and Conny Olsson. It has also been satirised in the Rubberbandits song “Up da Ra”, from their 2011 album Serious About Men.
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Do an image search on Sean South. A beautifully tall, very handsome man cut down in his prime by the bloody British.
I find this quite appropriate for our current world state…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx2_Rc93Pkc
Hot Tuna – wow. I don’t recall ever seeing a hollow electric bass guitar before.
The refrain of this, “…A sign was painted said “Private Property”
But on the backside, it didn’t say nothing. This land was made for you and me…” I heard exclaimed several times in Upper Michigan while grouse hunting with a buddy.
He seemed to be of mind to jump over a fence marked with “No Trespassing” while singing that! Especially if there was some good grouse habitat over the fence. I stayed put, just hoping for a flush my way.
I was in Prescott AZ for their 4th of July parade (back in John McCain days and he took part) and a local conservative group float (not official GOP, I don’t think) came by with a large paper mache eagle and a blaring recording “This Land”…. I asked my nephew: “Do you think they know Woody was a Communist?” He laughed and thought not!
Perhaps Dayton might like to have Springfield’s 20,000 Haitians re-settle there?
morongobill,
Why would Springfield want to give up all those good workers and small business owners? Why would they want to go back to being a dying city?
“Y’all from Dayton?”
That was the approach line of the black streetwalkers on upper Broadway on the west side of Manhattan in the late sixties and early seventies. If anyone here has a feathered brain and needs an explanation just ask.
morongobill,
Springfield is 26 miles away.
TTG,
Why don’t those good workers and business owners create a future in Haiti for Haitians?
As to why America “needs” immigrants,
I think the answer is revealed by this table of fertility rate by decade:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1033027/fertility-rate-us-1800-2020/
You can see the bump that resulted in the baby boom,
and how it compared to earlier and later decades.
Nothing wrong with immigrants. Trump’s wife is an immigrant, so was his first wife, his mother was also an immigrant, so were his paternal grandparents. My maternal great grandparents were Canuck wetbacks who snuck across the St John River one night into the great state of Maine. My favorite Aunt Rosa came from Naples as a war bride. My first wife arrived in this country when she was two or three years old, her sister was born on the ship bringing them here. I grew up in a neighborhood where you could hear Italian, Gaelic, Yiddish, Portuguese & Polish spoken. Kids I went to school with had to translate for their mothers and fathers who had not learned English. Their fathers worked hard in factories &/or construction, their wives made clothing in garment factories &/or in their homes. Their parents saved their money and eventually opened restaurants, bakeries, barber or cobbler shops, corner stores and other small businesses. The children became police, firemen, nurses, etc; the grandchildren became doctors, engineers, CPAs, colonels & generals. Everyone in America is an immigrant unless his ancestors were here prior to 1492. And even some of the pre-Columbians were latecomers.
Speaking of ethnic restaurants – a treat last time I went to the VA in Portland was to stop by a Haitian restaurant and get a plate of their salt cod pate turnovers, or pasties as my grandma would have called them, with a side of black rice. Delicious!
leith,
“Everyone in America is an immigrant unless his ancestors were here prior to 1492.”
That’s a racist thing for you to say. My ancestors here before Columbus didn’t, and weren’t about to, create a united continent nor did they create the United States. This country’s founding didn’t come from immigrants, it was created from people who did not ‘immigrate’ like your grand parents, the people who passed through Ellis Island, were shipped out of China, or were smuggled out of the Caribbean, or just crossed the border with Mexico.
Speaking of ethnic restaurants, there was a great place in Lexington serving wonderful avant-garde fare, unless you wore a red hat. I believe it was written about here years back. There’s still a decent coffee shop and a couple of places serving actual grits. Sadly the two ladies in Strasburg retired so their breakfast’s and actual biscuits & gravy are no longer available. Crabil’s is still in business though.
@Fred: “smuggled out of the Caribbean”
Kinda like Alexander Hamilton maybe?
By the way those immigrant great grandparents I mentioned are just one ancestral thread. There’s others that fought in the American Revolution and every war since.
Dad was a Virginian, and like him I do love grits and gravy. I’d have to drive two hours to Portland for a restaurant that serves grits. But out here they try to dress it up, new-age cuisine one place calls it. Sadly it’s a poor substitute for what I recall.
You should drop the red hat, if it keeps you out of good restaurants – this country was built on compromise.
Leith,
You’re living on Stolen Land! So says the left. Hamilton did not get human trafficked by a cartel or NGO, but nice try. As to red hats, if you attack people often enough they’ll stop wearing them. Which is precisely what democrats did in many cities.
Leith, Portland is full of excellent ethnic eateries. Have you tried Pambiche, authentic Cuban dishes, located on NE Glisan St?
Al –
Thanks for the tip. I’ll try it next time I go. It’s a two hour drive though, so I don’t get there often. I just google mapped it, looks like it’s not too far from Burnside Bridge? Maybe I’ll combine it with a trip to Powell’s Books.
The state of California is now probably over 50% Latino if you count the illegals. This has come about because domestic migration into California slowed in the 70s and now people are leaving so the only way to increase the workforce has been through immigration both legal and mostly illegal. through the decades the illegals that came in had a place to stay lined up and a job lined up as opposed to the amnesty seekers that have been coming to the border lately. Why do we need to increase the workforce, because it makes people money. More people equals more housing being built more shopping centers more infrastructure more Costcos etc. When does it end when we have a billion people, two billion?
The entire retirement benefits pyramid collapses too without more employed people. Of course we could easily make the super wealthy pay their fair share of payins to the Social Security trust funds, but our congress has a full time job enjoying having the dicks of the rich plutocrats wiped across their craven lips.
F&L, So well stated. I’m gonna use that line!
Wow…you really summed that situation up nicely!
F&L,
We never seem to run out of money for welfare, SNAP, EBT, Ukraine and a slew of other things. The super wealth! will pay for it. Unless they buy some more politicians.
Gordon Reed,
“When will it end?” I am reading into Abrahm Lustgarten’s ‘ On the Move,’ right now. I think he provides some clues. Though I will note that he seems to know very little about what is happening in the Arctic/Antarctic as the earth’s apparently inevitable Venusian climate continues its runaway development.
Tidewater I just cursorily reviewed his book and I agree that climate change is a long term problem that will result in demographic shifts. Our current immigration from overseas is from a want by our business community for more cheap labor and more consumers exacerbated by our war on terror and sanctions against countries, e.g. Venezuela that have driven millions of refugees from war and economic sanctions to seek refuge in the US and Europe.
as opposed to the amnesty seekers that have been coming to the border lately.
criminals all over the world are granted amnesty if they accept to be transported to the US border. If they pass it, fine, if not they’ll go straight back to jail.
Why do we need to increase the workforce, because it makes people money.
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Something I think to bear in mind is the crime rate in various countries;
https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
Venezuela is #1, Haiti is #3.
What causes those discrepancies?
An open question.
But I don’t think we should bury our heads in the sand and ignore them.
Venezuelan gangs are in the news.
KH, Per your “Venezuelan gangs are in the news”, I recall my WASP grandmother complaining about Sicilian gangsters. Perhaps we can round up those with Sicilian ancestry and deport them, too.
Those Sicilians are still at it. Decades and decades of crime. Same with the Irish mafia. We could try to deport them but the Irish wouldnt want them. There is exactly nothing Irish about “Irish” Americans but some negligible Irish DNA.
My wife is a UD grad, from back in the hay-day of NCR. Probably helped influence her to major in Comp Sci, which women didn’t really do at the time. On a visit to Dayton a few years ago, she was sad to see how NCR disappeared. But she’s from Rochester, NY and saw the same thing with Kodak there.
Dayton, though, has Wright-Pat just outside of town, so won’t ever be really down-and-out.
Scott, I visit Dayton a couple times per yr as my daughter lives there with her immigrant husband, Carlos, from Guatemala, and my 2 grandchildren.
The downtown area looks very upbeat and active.
TTG,
I can’t find mention of wages, salaries or benefits in the NPR article. As long as U.S. businesses support immigration policies that provide them with a source of cheap labor people born in the U.S. will have fewer children. As a legal immigrant I wouldn’t want a liberated Cuba to stop being Cuban for the sake of the economy. Making corporate profit and maintaining birth rates to sustain Ponzi schemes the driving forces behind immigration policy doesn’t make sense for any country.
TTG,
Thanks for the NPR puff piece. “immigrants, who now make up about 10% of FC Industries’ 300-plus-person workforce.”
So FC industries could find zero US citizens anywhere in Ohio, MI, IN, or even MD to take the 30 jobs of unidentified skill requirements at the unknown wage rate. But if an employee does not speak English FC will pay other employees more to translate for you. I won’t bother to ask the OSHA regulated safety impact in a manufacturing plant of 10% of employees not speaking or reading the language. Nor will I ask how many translators are needed for local police, local elementary, middle, or high schools; or the court system.
Dayton’s Full Bore efforts. Hurrah! Black Americans from East St. Louis, Flynt, Baltimore (great education there), need not apply. Dayton is Immigrants Are Our Strength full bore! They even have an immigrant relocation agency, but not an American Citizen relocation agency. I wonder why the hate American citizens like that.
“At Kiser Elementary School, for example, 40% of students now speak a native language other than English. Instructions on the walls are printed in Spanish, Turkish and the central African language of Kinyarwanda.”
Who is paying for translations of three different languages into English? How about the other schools in Dayton, OH?
“City Commissioner Joseph acknowledges there are costs associated with providing services to the new arrivals, and he wishes his city had more control over things like work permits.”
So cities run by leftists should set immigration policy, costs should shift to other people who pay taxes and whose children have to sit side by side with children who, through no fault of their own, don’t speak English. Unlike you or I or our children. These American citizens who are children, through no fault of their own now, have improved educations how? This is a standard do-gooder leftist story. At 5% of a population of, well is that city population 133K (and falling), or the metropolitan population – almost a million? That left out part is the difference between 6,500 (city) and 40,000. Quite a bit of a difference, especially if they don’t know the language or need any other assistance. Jobs! Jobs! Jobs! translators, social workers, teachers, teachers aids, assistant principles, coaches (aWalz jr) and all the rest. “City Commissioner Joseph acknowledges there are costs ” but not out of his salary.
Also thanks for the link to the lefty org that has for decades paid its executives 20% of the revenue to ‘do good’ but not by helping Americans move across country for those good paying jobs.
https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/271049805
Further on Haitians:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/11/haiti-and-the-failed-promise-of-us-aid
So decades of Clinton and UN directed aid left Haiti a land of violence? Why would anyone want to vote for Hilary with that track record or hire her staffers given their performance?
” two major waves of Haitian immigrants to Springfield in recent years”
So in 2021 the US needed to take thousands of Haitians into a town in Ohio, and even more in 2023? Why?
“The city in September 2023 held a meeting with six local staffing companies.”
So these staffing companies were named…..? Don’t ask, they don’t tell. Nor could they advertise in Ohio, apparently. “Reports of human trafficking and exploitation of this population followed.” You don’t say? Aren’t those federal crimes? What was Prosecutor Harris doing as VP since Joe was apparently letting these crimes happen? I better not ask, there’s a narrative to defend.
““there were companies that knew they were going to make an effort to bring in individuals who were crossing the border based on federal regulations that they could do that.” That’s a lot of word salad to say the city’s own investigation found human trafficking.
“Our community attracted 7,000 new jobs to the area in the past several years.” did anyone ask the Springfield chamber how many years ‘several’ years might be and how many layoffs in between? “Officials with the organization declined to be interviewed, pointing to the statement” Of course they did. We put out a press release. Sorry you found out about the human trafficking. Don’t ask us or our members about that.
“He says that Haitians have left their homeland only because they have been left with no choice. ” Says the real estate agent with a master’s degree in construction management – apparently from a school in Haiti. Which could certainly use some construction managers.
“The Biden administration told the News-Sun that 520,000 immigrants have been authorized through the parole program in two years.”
TPS grants two years of special status. Then they go back. Sure they do. Meanwhile American citizens …. need the competion for good jobs that employment agencies are looking in guess which cities to get Americans to relocate for, nor do NGOs help you get there. There children deserve non english speakers in school, too. Trayvon missed out. So did George Floyd.
“Haitians on TPS may qualify for the same benefits as other Ohioans, such as Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, food stamps and Medicaid — with the same work and eligibility requirements.”
Of course they are eligible. Who pays, not FC Industries.
“Trump attempted to end TPS in his first term — though the effort was blocked by a court injunction that outlasted his presidency.”
So a Temporary program is in perpetuity regardless of what the new president decides because a 9th judicial circuit judge says it can’t be undone? Great stuff.
Fred,
Why did FC Industries and others hire Haitians and other immigrants? Here’s what another manufacturer this time in Springfield said:
“We want more jobs in our community, and in order to fill those jobs, some jobs need to be people who are not originally from here,” Jaime McGregor, who owns the manufacturing factory McGregor Metals in Springfield, told PBS. McGregor told the outlet that about 10% of his workforce, about 30 employees, is Haitian. “I wish I had 30 more,” he said. “Our Haitian associates come to work every day. They don’t have a drug problem. They’ll stay at their machine. They’ll achieve their numbers. They are here to work. And so in general, that’s a stark difference from what we’re used to in our community.”
In short, immigrants are good workers. As it’s said in Hamilton, The Musical, “Immigrants, we get the job done.” They’re not all a bunch of criminal gang members.
I worked in a small factory whenever I was home from college. I was allowed to work there for as little as a week at a time because my father was the tool and die maker there as his second job. The owner hired almost exclusively Québécois women to operate the stamping and injection machines. They were always trying to set me up as somebody’s sweet babboo. They lived in the neighborhood and told their friends about the factory, but most importantly, they were very good at a repetitious job that required great dexterity. The factory owner was very happy with them.
Haitians have been coming to the US since the 80s at a fairly steady rate before the most recent surge. The majority of these early arrivers have their green cards by now. This allows a lot of Haitians to immigrate because their relatives already have permanent resident status or even citizenship. They don’t all have to depend on TPS. BTW, TPS has been a fixture of US immigration policy since Congress created TPS in the Immigration Act of 1990. since then it has applied to over two dozen countries. Parole status has been around for decades longer.
TTG,
“in the musical” AYFKM? A musical is your justification? If you reread my work you will find neither work efforts or criminal conduct stated or implied. Thanks for the slander.
“since the 80s at a fairly steady rate before the most recent surge. The majority of these early arrivers have their green cards by now.”
That’s 60 years ago? How many 78 yo Haitians do you think are working on a green card? How many relatives does the republic need because they are related to someone on a green card? How does that immigrant aid a US citizen who is not directly employing them?
You worked in summers in college for a woman who discriminated based on race and sex, except for you. Got it. You were special then. Apparently these immigrants over the years preferentially selected over American citizens across the Republic are also preferred. Let us not ask why.
Did you read about all the social services and other costs associated with these immigrants? Apparently not.
Fred,
Those older Haitians, now permanent resident aliens and even citizens, are bringing their family members from Haiti to work in places like Springfield, NYC and Miami, much like Melania brought her family here. Many don’t like this chain migration, but it remains a common practice for now.
The owner of the factory where I worked was a male American citizen. He also had my brothers and sister working there at times. He let our family use his hunting/fishing camp on Moosehead Lake. That was the kind of guy he was. He hired those who came asking for a job and were willing to work. Why so many Québécois? Word of mouth among the local community. The factory owner never had to advertise for workers, but he still got hard working and loyal workers.
TTG,
Please. They brought 20,000 relatives from Haiti in 3 years? Please stop lying because this group, along with millions of others, came here without following our laws. Thousands of lawful immigrants from Haiti did not suddenly decide to go to Ohio because they couldn’t find a job in SE Florida. Lots of NGOs with Biden-Harris administration support got sent there and elsewhere though.
Fred,
It’s obvious you are impervious to facts on this subject. Vance has your head chock full of his cock and bull stories about Haitians. For one last time, here’s an article that directly addresses some of the false claims you’re clinging to. I’m not going to summarize it.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/19/us/springfield-ohio-haitians-immigration-cec/index.html
TTG,
I see you are triggered. I did not quote Senator Vance nor reference any comment him. Did you miss that fact?
At no time did I state that there was a program titled “resettlement”. I know as well as you, CNN, and the city of Springfield officials, how the sophistry game works.
To quote CNN: “In January 2023, the Biden administration announced Haitians would be among a new group of nationalities eligible for a program….”
A program, but not “support” and not titled “resettlement”. Is that your interpretation?
To further quote CNN:
“More than 210,000 Haitians have been paroled into the US through the program, according to data released this week by US Customs and Border Protection. ”
That’s since January 2023. A program that makes them not “illegal”. 210,000 new people in less than two years.
Immigrant strong I believe is the slogan.
American citizens gained what benefit? Did you see the other articles also quoting Springfield and Dayton officials on other social service costs? I hope so since you linked to the articles in your post.
Further from CNN:
“The Biden administration also expanded deportation protections for Haitians in the country earlier this year, estimating that about 300,000 people would be newly eligible for temporary protected status under the designation.”
If they were already here legally, would they need “protection” from deportation? Why? Maybe the Senator from Ohio could ask the Vice President since Stephanie Rhule didn’t.
Further CNN:
“An April report from the House Homeland Security Committee listed airports around the country where participants in the program have arrived in the US.”
To quote another source:
“The average monthly income in Haiti is 145 US Dollar per capita. In the USA, the figure is 6,692 US Dollar.” (worlddata.info)
With an income less than ten thousand USD/year how do they pay for airfare, travel, and rent if they are not receiving assistance, government or otherwise? Or is that racist to ask?
AYKFM — Is that an acronym for:
As You Fondle Kamala Materializes?
Lefties don’t care about reality itself as long they can pat themselves on the back and feel good. It’s all about the feelz.
There is no point conversing with the delusional and hopelessly, willfully ignorant. I think one could find a superior understanding of economics and social science in a typical cartoon.
Fred –
Presidents ain’t kings. Your and my ancestors fought to get rid of them.
Fred & TTG & All
Has it ever occured to you that people who can’t speak English while living in the US and who additionally suffer under great economic impoverishment .. that people like that are especially desireable to the business owners of America here because they are essentially defenseless and represent no threat to unionize or otherwise stand up for themselves.
Or as Fred puts it so well – ‘Jobs Jobs Jobs’!
The American people have been brainwashed so thoroughly and been intentionally undereducated that they know all about the latest garbage on offer about worshipping a 6 foot 9 inch tall lifelong criminal and drug addict who robbed a pregnant woman at gunpoint, not to mention queuing up for Tranny nights at the local library. And by design ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the hugely VIOLENT suppression of movements for worker’s rights in America between 1850 and 2024.
Child: Mommy I’m off to listen to a convicted felon who transitioned in the old fashioned ways before Kamala Harris provided tax-payer funds for free transition while incarcerated even if you murdered an entire family or abducted 9 year old kids and kept them manacled to steam pipes in your dungeon. Isn’t it so progressive?
Mommy: In my day we attended readings by Bertrand Russell, Albert Einstein, Jonas Salk … By the way where did this expensive looking stero equipment come from and what’s with the 17 brand spanking new iphones in your room?
F&L,
That’s St. George Floyd to you. He’s a hero in Europe too.
St George … Gets Ogre (Anna Grahams)
There’s so much potential:
Floyd Gets Ogre
Ogre Golf .. nah … Flog Ogre
You can use Flog Gorey etc but this is childish nonsense.
I’m not going to waste my precious time on that irredeemable felon.
John Wayne demonstrated the proper procedure for handling Liberty Valence long ago. Or do you think it was Jimmy Stewart.
Be a great remake to get Ed Harris — coolest guy to ever live with possible exception of Viggo Mortensen, to play John Wayne’s old role. Who plays Liberty? It’s impossible to replace Lee Marvin. Maybe Johnny Depp could handle it. Wait … Michael Madsen is a fantastic bad guy, a possible.
I can put this on repeat and watch it all day just for the pleasure of seeing that arrogant limey pr*** Jeremy Irons get it right between the eyes. Go Viggo!
Appaloosa | Scare Easy | Mudcrutch
https://youtu.be/Y0c7XC3w54w
Opinion on unrestricted immigration is hardening in continental Europe:-
“The ‘free movement of people’ has been an important mantra of the left for a long time and many here in the UK have been accused of being racist because they oppose this. This included anyone who voted for Brexit. Now, it seems, with the political mood changing in the UK and Europe, some sane people have begun to realise that the rights of people to move across borders has caused a crisis.
“Dr. George Szamuely, a senior research fellow at the Global Policy Institute, told Sputnik that Europe’s migrant crisis was imposed by the elites on their own populations. This was the consequence of a ‘fateful alliance among the big corporations that want cheap labor and the kind of multicultural advocates who think that that’s a good thing for Europe to be more diverse. [This is] what’s causing…intense political feeling because people don’t really want it’.
“We have seen expression of such feelings here in the UK and elsewhere in Europe. Now there are signs that some European leaders, who have received a dig in the ribs from their voters, are beginning to take heed. Germany has now strengthened checks at its borders and is proposing stronger deportation laws and the new Dutch government announced it was aiming to set in place “the strictest admission rules in the EU.” Dutch Prime Minister Dick Schoof said on Friday (20th Sept) that the government would officially ask the European Commission for an opt-out on EU asylum and migration policies. Schoof said:
“We cannot continue to bear the large influx of migrants to our country. People are experiencing an asylum crisis.
“Hungary and Holland are also seeking an opt out from European migrant policies. So things are starting to change in Europe.”
https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-weekly-update-22d
It may be that this hardening of attitudes is due to the authorities expecting a further influx of refugees from Ukraine. The Germans will find that difficult to cope with. But it’s probably also due to the fact that people no longer accept mass immigration. Mrs Merkel’s “Wir schaffen das” has led to a backlash.
Surely another cause:
Those awful knife attacks on children.
How horrible!
Three little girls stabbed to death in Southport.
The perp:
“Axel Rudakubana, a British citizen born in Cardiff to parents from Rwanda”
So he wasn’t an immigrant, but his parents were.
Another stabbing in Dublin.
More stabbings in Germany.
Surely people note that all these stabbings are committed by people connected to recent immigration.
EO, your once esteemed nation, transformed into a human sewer by the wicked witch Margaret Snatcher, also once upon a time domiciled and educated this distinguished translator from the Greek of the Book of St Matthew:
Enoch Powell’s Rivers of Blood Speech
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech
But Heath cashiered him the next day and he was vilified.
To give you an example of the man’s qualification, this passage is taken from his Wikipedia entry:
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During October 1939, almost a month after returning home from Australia, Powell enlisted as a private in the Royal Warwickshire Regiment. He had trouble enlisting, as during the “Phoney War” the War Office did not want men with no military training.[76] Rather than waiting to be called up, he claimed to be Australian, as Australians, many of whom had travelled to Britain at great expense to join up, were allowed to enlist straight away.[77] In a poem, he wrote of men joining the army like “bridegrooms going to meet their brides”, but his biographer points out that it is unlikely that many other men shared his joy, particularly not those who were leaving actual brides behind.[77] He purchased a copy of Carl von Clausewitz’s On War in the original German in a second-hand bookshop, which he read every night.[78]
In later years, Powell recorded his promotion from private to lance-corporal in his Who’s Who entry, on other occasions describing it as a greater promotion than entering the Cabinet. Early in 1940, he was trained for a commission after, while working in a kitchen, answering the question of an inspecting brigadier with a Greek proverb; on several occasions, he told colleagues that he expected to be at least a major-general by the end of the war.[80] He passed out top from his officer training.
On 18 May 1940, Powell was one of the cadets from the 166th, 167th, 168th, and 170th Officer Cadet Training Units commissioned as a second lieutenant onto the General List. He was almost immediately transferred to the Intelligence Corps. He was soon promoted to captain and posted as GSO3 (Intelligence) to the 1st (later 9th) Armoured Division. During this time he taught himself the Portuguese language to read the poet Camões in the original; as insufficient Russian-speaking officers were available at the War Office, his knowledge of the Russian language and textual analysis skills were used to translate a Russian parachute training manual—a task he completed after 11 pm in addition to his normal duties, deducing the meaning of many technical terms from the context; he was convinced that the Soviet Union must eventually enter the war on the Allied side. On one occasion, he was arrested as a suspected German spy for singing the Horst-Wessel-Lied. He was sent to the Staff College, Camberley.
Ah what a difference an Administration or two makes!
Or four or five, … who keeps count anyway?
And at this point “What difference does it make?!!”
“It was not the first time Clinton saw Guantanamo as the solution for a refugee crisis. In 1980, some 125,000 Cubans fled the Castro regime as part of the Mariel boatlift. While most were fleeing oppression, the regime also released thousands of criminals from Cuban jails and patients from Cuban mental health facilities and sent them to America. The Carter administration chose Fort Chaffee, Ark., as a detention facility to hold the refugees. But then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton told the White House he did not want criminal and mentally unstable Cubans brought into his state. When the White House objected that there was nowhere else to put them, Clinton recounted in his memoir “My Life,” he told the White House: “We still have a base at Guantanamo, don’t we?”
(Yes Virginia, it’s been a “bi-partisan effort” [depending] like forever.)
https://www.aei.org/articles/the-clinton-solution-for-refugees-guantanamo/
Personally I’m not paying much attention to the news – just keeping my limited dollars effectual (with hillbilly help) So. What’d Kamataloupe have to say at the border today?
TTG? Leith?
Yo Eric. Fred.
At one time it was a lot of signs reading “No blacks, no dogs, no Irish.” When I was living in Bavaria, the discrimination against the Ossies after German reunification was virulent. None of this stuff is new.
I think Harris is sticking to getting the bipartisan immigration plan through Congress. I know she’s pushing the big increase in BP and ICE, but she also changed her tune about the wall.
JK/AR
Data Dump Shows 650,000 Migrant Criminals, Suspects Free in Biden-Harris’s America.
https://www.breitbart.com/immigration/2024/09/27/data-dump-shows-425000-migrant-criminals-lose-in-biden-harris-usa/
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At the link find a photo of your favorite.Melon headed politician waving at her adoring photoshopped-in crowds of worshippers.
Neither Kamala Harris or our pampers-wearing president mumbling Joe Biden decide anything. Nor do the bootlickers in congress. A shadowy oligarchy of billionaires does decide — everything, however. Our favorites Eric and Fred call these Cassiuses “leftists.”
F&L,
The data dump shows those criminals not in ICE custody. The majority of those convicted criminals, especially murderers are in prison rather than ICE custody or free. The data also reflects decades of migrant criminality, not just Biden era migrants. It’s still a real kick in the cranberries for the Harris campaign.
Upon a second reading of the letter, I’m not sure where those migrant criminals are… in ICE custody, in prison or roaming free.
JK/AR,
Government officials (Springfield reference) say:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jason-owens-border-patrol-southern-border-national-security-threat/
https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/over-400k-convicted-criminals-living-illegally-in-us-federal-government-says-harris-trump-biden-election-november-border-illegal-immigration-ice-customs-patrol-texas-white-house-arizona-visit-crimes
Otherwise known as right wing trope. Like hunter’s laptop.
No idea what the lady of day 1 year zero said though. Five feet of seawater managed to take out the building’s transformer; no power, no legacy TV news, no problems. Coffee shop 2 miles away unaffected.
JK/AR,
What did Kamala say? Who cares? Life is too short to spend it absorbing low grade BS.
In addition to known card carrying 650,000 Migrant Criminals, there are no doubt large numbers of terrorists and foreign agents/operatives (like from China). Then, I saw a video of Blacks in Chicago who say they are ready to go to war and burn the city down because of the violent and armed Tren De Aragua migrant gangs taking over Black neighborhoods and other S. American migrants taking government benefits, driving up costs and taking jobs away from Blacks. Those dudes sounded pissed and appeared serious. Here I thought Chicago is a gun free city. The Democrats passed the law. It must work.
The Chicago cops who were interviewed about the issue admitted that the migrants are causing a huge problem, crime-wise and in the other ways the Black guys described. They kind of threw up their hands when asked about how they would handle a Blacks v migrants war. I got the feeling they were secretly rooting for the Blacks. The Nicaraguan criminals are said to be exceedingly violent; well beyond the Black gangs’ typical activity.
But I’m sure everyone in the video is a lying paid actor on the Trump/KKK dole and the whole thing is right wing propaganda, like Hunter’s laptop – and not at all like Russian collusion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnT8bup1Hbk
Why are those Blacks in the video so damn racist against S. American migrants?
Why has Chicago spent $500 million on the migrants since 2002, if all of those migrants are adding to our economy and working so many jobs?
Haitian invasion of small town Western PA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pbNH9zaQEM
1. The feds and/or NGOs are giving the migrants lots of money
2. Businesses are hiring the migrants at low wage/low or no benefits and replacing American workers
3. Stress on local services – everything from large number of car accidents by uninsured Haitian drivers, to pressure on the hospitals.
4. Locals citizens have no idea how the migrants are arriving or that they were even coming in the first place. “Kept in the dark” is a common place statement. Citizens didn’t ask for the mass migration or have any say in it.
The answer to # 4 is # 2. There has been talk about bringing manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. None of us thought this meant importing foreign workers to fill these jobs.
Cash Jordan has similar YT videos on NYC. In one video, a local government worker, herself a minority, was interviewed with her face blurred. She asked why was NYC opening its coffers for people who never paid any taxes and given a level of charity never shown to long time residents, including the homeless. I wonder if Adams is getting the axe because even he started complaining.
Lesly,
Some more points. The people in these towns, including Springfield Ohio, are saying that before the immigrants, commercial companies came in and bought up a lot of the houses. Those houses are now rented to the migrants with the commercial landlords receiving guaranteed government rent payments. Where the heck is that money coming from? Tax payers I guess. Furthermore, people who didn’t sell the homes are saying that property taxes have doubled since the migrants arrived.
The liberal happy meme of hard working migrants filling jobs Americans don’t want is so much BS. The migrants are accepting low wages because of all the subsidies, from food stamps to rent, that it makes it possible for them to take the jobs. American citizens are being screwed and hard. This is a scam of highest order — and the democrats and RINOs are behind it.
Eric – the “employers”. Great word. Like “device” for 5 megaton h bomb. But this is America, land of bullshit.
The Haitians were slaves, are slaves and have slave mentalities so will remain slaves. That’s a big reason “employers” find them so attractive. Maybe the main one.
F&L,
The Haitians carried out a nationwide slave revolt to gain their independence and freedom. The West has been punishing them for this insolence since then.
TTG
Yes they did. And yes they are being punished. Slaves do revolt. Rarely does it get them anywhere other than crucified along the Appian Way as Spartacus and his men were by Crassus.
Revolt is one aspect of the slave mentality as is burning hatred for their oppressors for endless generations. And we’ve wisely imported that into America too. But I guess darkish skinned Kamala will fix that, right? That’s like believing that the mongooses will begin to live happily with the cobras if only an LBGTQ loving female cobra is invited into their nests to rule over them.
“Cobras turned out to be so cool, who knew? And now I can gender transition at state expense!” Said the homosexual mongoose minutes before dying of cobra venom.
TTG,
So the Clinton global initiative or whatever it was called was punishment? Plus all those church efforts of various denominations, and all those American politicians too.
Fred,
The US and especially France has been bleeding Haiti dry for well over a 100 years. The last reparation payment was made in the late 40s. Aid to Haiti since then was most often done more to benefit US businesses and agriculture than help Haitians. The Clinton global initiative and other Clinton efforts didn’t do much better. Natural disasters, political unrest and massive Haitian corruption didn’t help matters.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/11/haiti-and-the-failed-promise-of-us-aid
TTG,
The last payment to whomever was 75+ years ago.
“massive Haitian corruption”
So the ones coming here posses what aspect of culture? What level of education, medical care, etc. It rather destroys your own narrative.
“Aid to Haiti since then was most often done more to benefit US businesses and agriculture”
Perhaps we should have colonized them so they could have turned out like all those states of ‘manifest destiny’ America rather than a corrupt Caribbean island nation.
Fred,
Among those Haitians coming here are doctors, nurses and other professionals. Those medical professionals spend a year or more getting re-credentialed before they can practice again. The vast majority of the rest are the ambitious ones who start small businesses and work hard. That why their American employers speak so highly of them.
Haiti may have been better off if it became an American colony or territory, but I’m not sure of that. Right now, it’s a true dystopia. the brain drain to the US is not helping the situation in Haiti.
TTG,
What is being done in the name of diversity and the rest of the liberal do-gooder gubbeldy guck is establishing the return of the company store and the robber baron. That is what you are defending.
Haitians – who’s exploitation you ostensibly bemoan – are being brought to the US, at tax payer expense, to work for $9/hr, with no employer benefits, Medicaid paid for by working Americans, jammed 10 or 12 per house, which was bought up by large commercial interests in on the scam, over-filling schools, that are already challenged to educate, with non-English speakers. All so some cheap ass profiteers can take over old factories and make profits at levels not possible with American workers.
Congrats!
These are the jobs that the Biden/Harris admin is proud to include in the economics reports? Wow. Amazing. A race to the bottom supported by moral posturing.
Eric Newhill,
For the most part, you’re talking out your ass. Haitians coming in under Biden’s humanitarian parole and family reunification programs have to pay their own way here. That’s why they must have financial sponsors to qualify for those programs. A wage of $9/hr is not bad for entry level machine operators. I worked as a machine operator for minimum wage. Working on a poultry farm, I made less than minimum wage and it was legal. Many of those factories do offer medical insurance, 401K plans and other benefits. Having 10 to 12 immigrants to a house, I believe that. A lot of Haitians actually buy houses in run down neighborhoods and fix them up. Some are buying up a number of those abandoned houses, fixing them and renting/selling them to fellow Haitians.
The immigrants are flooding the schools and taxing social services and increasing the need for translation and ESL services. They are also contributing to their communities They pay taxes, refurbish housing and even start businesses. Did you read the local story about Charleroi, where community leaders called for voluntary neighborhood cleanups and only the immigrants showed up to help. While white residents did not show up. I’m pretty sure they were among those bitching about the immigrants.
Are all immigrants like this? Of course not. There are gangs, criminals and deadbeats among them, but there are also gangs, criminals and deadbeats aplenty among long time American citizens.
F&L,
Nothing gives one a work ethic quite like an empty belly or the recent memory of one.
In my locality during COVID the one restaurant that made out well was “El Pique”, a small bar/restaurant owned by a family of fairly recent Guatemalan immigrants. Small, thin people. One look tells the tale…they were not well fed growing up.
While about every other restaurant was closing up, these guys made a large grill in the parking lot out of cinder blocks and were served lunches and dinners to cars at the curb within a week. No getting out of the car, no menu. You got a large foam tray/bin of pollo asado with rice and beans for $12.00 and that was that, but it was quite tasty with small tubs of both red and green mild hot sauce provided.
While every one else closed the doors and whined, those boys and gals made an absolute killing. Had a line of cars waiting for most of the afternoons. I went a couple times myself until the word spread and the line became too long. A lot of the other restaurants could’ve done this…but did not.
Maybe we need an injection of some “hungry” people every now and again. The life here tends to make people soft. Too soft. The devil is, of course, in the dose.
TTG,
“A wage of $9/hr is not bad for entry level machine operators.”
LOL no. What year was that? Unskilled warehouse labor in MI in 2017 was $15/hour. No machine operator starts at $9 anywhere here. Read your own posts on Haiti skill sets and then tell us what % of people that is.
“Among those Haitians coming here are doctors, nurses and other professionals”
Is that 50% or less of the hundreds of thousands here? 20% 10% 1%? How many doctors – trained where, is that?
“The US … has been bleeding Haiti dry for well over a 100 years.”
This is the bleeding you are cheering on now. We need to stop and send them all back home. If we need to remove to current government, or create one, we can code name it:
“De Oppresso Liber” Maybe Trump can add that to ‘project 2025″. I’m sure the doctors and nurse here are not ‘greedy capitalists’ out of a buck, or lots of them, and would willing free their nation. Along with the ‘entry level’ machine operators and everyone in between. Except the criminal elements, they will stay in all the de-fund the police states.
Fred,
I operated those injection molding machines for $1.85/hr, the minimum wage at the time. My father, who machined the molds for that machine, made much more, but he was an experienced and qualified tool and die maker. I was taught how to operate that injection machine in 15 minutes. Minimum wage in Pennsylvania is still $7.25. To operate a machine as I did for $9.00 as basically unskilled labor is not too shabby. It sure beats welfare or turning to crime.
Eric Newhill,
There are alternate viewpoints from Charleroi from both Democratic and Republican city leaders.
https://newrepublic.com/article/186331/trump-hateful-rally-pennsylvania-debunked-town-leader
https://www.wtae.com/article/charlerois-immigrant-population-back-in-spotlight-following-trump-rally-comments/62357879
https://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/brandon-mcginley/2024/09/27/charleroi-haitian-migration-immigrant-trump-springfield/stories/202409290049
https://www.newsweek.com/charleroi-haitian-migrant-claims-donald-trump-1958384
“A newly leaked law enforcement document obtained by The New York Post links Tren de Aragua to sex trafficking of women in 8 different states; Texas, California, Florida, Nevada, Illinois, New York, Georgia and New Jersey.”
“Victims are operating out in the open. For instance, in NY, they are doing it on Roosevelt Street in Queens. Here, the gang is recruiting foot solders so NY can be the hub of their trafficking operation. Since they entered the US, they have expanded into a multi-state migrant crime syndicate. They smuggle guns, take over apartments, and sex trafficking. There are over 100 investigations into crimes they committed nationwide.”
The Trumpers ought to layoff the Haitians and start highlighting the Nicaraguans. Nobody wants gangs and no city leaders are going to go to bat for those gangs like they do for the Haitians. Besides, the Haitians are largely here legally By February 2024, 68% of the of the 852,000 foreign-born Haitians in the United States were naturalized US citizens. They’ve been coming here for along time. And a lot of those naturalized citizens are sponsoring their remaining friends and relatives and to fly here as either parolees or permanent residency.
TTG,
Anything can be “legal” by making a law that says it is. “legal” don’t make it right or fair or American.
You’ve bobbed and weaved right past the main points and complaints, which counter your rosy assertions about places like Springfield..
Ever heard of exponential growth? They all have babies, who become instant US citizens. Then there’s the “legal” phenomenon of anchor babies and parents legal, illegal or somewhere in between becoming US citizens.
Vivek just had a live townhall in Springfield. The long time residents say they weren’t even aware that there were jobs available. The jobs weren’t advertised. No help wanted ads. Just bring in the Haitians and give them everything, while taking from the people that have roots there.
TTG,
32% of Haitians here are not citizens? That’s a quarter million people. When did they show up? Right after Biden-Harris administration invited them? How do Native born Americans benefit and why aren’t we the primary focus of our government?
Nicaraguan gangs? Just days ago that was called a right wing trope.
Fred,
Nicaraguan gangs taking over cities is a right wing trope. A Nicaraguan gang terrorizing a couple apartment buildings until the local police arrested their Nicaraguan gang asses is real.
TTG,
Here’s an NBC clip about non-existant Venezuelan gangs kicking people out of their own apartments in Colorado.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l53jNhwrd_U
I don’t think you’ll get it. It’s not most Americans think immigration is the devil. Americans don’t want to taxed for the services that enable American companies to maintain a “profit” by importing laborers that can’t make ends meet it without using social services they never paid towards with taxes, to such an extent that services and personnel are strained or diverted away from people born or raised here — you know, some of those people born and raised here being other immigrants?
You have to believe that foreign countries have a bigger responsibility towards their citizenry than the U.S. does, to get it. You have to believe that the U.S. doesn’t owe foreign nationals anything, and any form of ordered, legal immigration, should be appreciated, to get it. I know if the shoe were on the other foot NO ONE would take Americans in to the extent that we have taking immigrants in the past few years. Even Mexico with all its problems is already sick of Americans changing the culture of Mexico City and want the gringos to go the hell home:
https://english.elpais.com/economy-and-business/2024-03-28/gringo-go-home-mexico-citys-housing-crisis-preceds-digital-nomads.html
Lesly,
I said those Nicaraguan gangs were terrorizing a couple of apartment buildings. The local police then arrested their asses. They were not taking over the city of Aurora as Trump and Vance claimed. Even the Republican mayor of Aurora pushed back against the cock and bull stories of Trump and Vance.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/not-accurate-republican-mayor-aurora-pushing-back-trumps-migrant-depic-rcna172743
The city leaders in Springfield, Dayton and Charleroi are grateful for what the immigrants contributed to their cities. It’s outsiders that are doing a lot of the pissing and moaning.
TTG,
The “city leaders”? The local government that is on the take from the feds and the robber barons running the sweat shops? Of course they’re going to say positive things. They’re paid to and they’d be “out” if they said otherwise.
Government being on the take from crooks is as old as government. Look at the bootleg era. Entire cities government, including judges, were receiving payments from the gangs. The mafia had the same infrastructure paid off through the 1990s. They’re on the take now with the cartels and other international criminals; not to mention Wall Street and other crooked pimps.
But yeah, sure, that’s your defense, the city officials. Ok then.
Here is a look at what is driving up spending in Arlington, Virginia:
https://www.arlnow.com/2024/09/25/school-board-eyes-65m-budget-increase-for-more-staff-and-pay-raises-in-fy-2026/
“A June 2024 planning study by Massachusetts-based Equity Education Partners found that, to meet its academic and growth targets, the school system needs to hire additional English-language learning assistants, more special education teachers at the elementary level, and new literacy and math interventionists to provide targeted support.
Additionally, the plan includes hiring more counselors, psychologists and social workers to bolster student support services, as well as increasing funding for instructional coaches and teacher mentors to boost professional development.
“The reason why we even began this study was because we were not serving our special education students [and] our English language learners in the way that we need to,” Superintendent Francisco Durán said.”
I don’t recall any of that when I went to public school in the 1950s.
One wonders why all that is needed now.
Oh wait, the Equity Education Partners say it is needed.
That makes it pretty clear who wants all this.
Keith Harbaugh,
Special education is always a need. We had one class, called Mr. Sullivan’s special class in our small grammar school in a small Connecticut town. There were only about 16 in that class and the “special” students were mainstreamed as much as possible. We never had more than a handful of students that needed English language training. Teachers took the duty on as required. From 6th grade on, we had rudimentary Spanish language instruction only because we had a couple of Spanish speaking teachers.
All those school expenses in Arlington are not outrageous, but the ESL expenses are definitely because of the increased enrollment of immigrants. Stafford school budgets are rising because of increased enrollment (not immigrant) and an effort to raise teacher salaries to more closely match salaries north of us.
TTG – “Special education” courses are in dire need for those in power in Washington DC. And have been for a very long time now.
More seriously, in my neck of the woods “special.education students” were mainstreamed into regular schools because the city went bankrupt long ago and closed the various schools that were intended for either the feral, future low-echelon thug and drug-dealer classes or those with severe intellectual disability who in earlier eras were insensitively called “mental retards.”
Decades later, under the influence of woke Marxist fairies who somehow became University professors, it became accepted dogma that “all children are equal intellectually” and if you don’t think so then you are a racist because the same woke fairies were secretly developing to perfection the idea that “only white people are racists,” and every statue in the country needed to be torn or melted down to honor a 6’9″ drug addict and convicted felon who died in a scuffe with police.
It even became accepted practice that only crackpots, rapists, thieves, pampers-pooping dementia victims and hysterically giggling former escort service girls were fit to run for and occupy high office in place of the continent-wide and hemisphere-wide plundering mass murderers, enslavers and slave-owner’s rigged electoral college faux democracy constitution-writers of earlier epochs.
Special Ed is the only sort of education system conceivable for a nation which arms civilians with machine guns the better to massacre little children at school. After all, after surviving an educational system like that, the student is likely even better prepared to go abroad in search of nations and little brown and yellow people to torture and destroy on behalf of our Epstein Island visiting elite than if they spent 6 months training at Parris Island.
“About 300,000 Haitians already in the United States will now be eligible for temporary legal status allowing them to remain in the U.S. and work
– Separately, Mayorkas also extended the Temporary Protected Status of an estimated 200,000 Haitians who already had it. Their extension will also last through Feb. 3, 2026
“Nearly 900,000 people from 16 countries are currently registered for TPSHurray! Now we can have them rebuild 5 hurricane damaged states and tell the Americans there no job for you. ”
Border Czar not even mentioned. Myorkas got zero votes for president, but apparently the Constitution ……
https://apnews.com/article/temporary-protected-status-tps-haiti-haitians-biden-e92b8de782d2c1218dd1be1899aa926d
Fred,
Congress passed the legislation that allows DHS to extend TPS status and to designate countries eligible for TPS. Congress created TPS status in 1990 and how it would work. Congress then delegated the duty to manage the program to DHS when it was created after 9/11.
TTG,
Just like the unconstitutional Chevron doctrine. They can’t delegate that to some unelected bureaucrat.
Fred,
It’s the law.
8 U.S. Code § 1103 – Powers and duties of the Secretary, the Under Secretary, and the Attorney General
(a) Secretary of Homeland Security
(1) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall be charged with the administration and enforcement of this chapter and all other laws relating to the immigration and naturalization of aliens, except insofar as this chapter or such laws relate to the powers, functions, and duties conferred upon the President, Attorney General, the Secretary of State, the officers of the Department of State, or diplomatic or consular officers: Provided, however, That determination and ruling by the Attorney General with respect to all questions of law shall be controlling.
(2) He shall have control, direction, and supervision of all employees and of all the files and records of the Service.
(3) He shall establish such regulations; prescribe such forms of bond, reports, entries, and other papers; issue such instructions; and perform such other acts as he deems necessary for carrying out his authority under the provisions of this chapter.
TTG, may I re-use your cogent introductory?
“Eric Newhill, For the most part, you’re talking out your ass.”
only when it applies, I promise.